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Condi belongs to the New World Order. no human opposition can touch her.

 

[tetsuoxb]

Barbara Boxer is one step above such braindead organizations like the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC).

She is a grandstanding camera hungry attention whore who loves to show up with Gloria Aldred at any bullshit press conference that can be mustered in California. Her liberalism flies in California because the electorate there is just as equally braindead. God Bless Trey and Matt for creating F.A.G. because it accurately describes political activism in California.

BTW: the CBC is primarily behind the reintroduction of the draft bill that started so many ridiculous email chains last year? Why? They felt that the US Army was over-represented by minorities and a draft would mean more white people would serve. (and by corollary more white people would take casualties) They have done a great job of completely shitting on the true purpose of the civil rights movement, common sense, and dignity - in a similar way to Boxer's shitting on the true purpose of women's issues.

Oh, and lets give her a great big round of applause for bring herself in front of the cameras as the only senator to be dumb enough to let the CBC pursuade her into protesting the electoral college results on the floor during the joint session of congress. Way to go Barbara, keep gearing up to lose to Condalezza Rice in 2010. Make sure you keep the senate seat warm for her until then.

 

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[tetsuoxb]

Political activism in California, at least to me, is an infinitely recursive loop of frothing Cal students yelling at a stage featuring some actor with nary a slice of basis for opinion flanked by a senator or congressman who wants his/her name on TV.

 

[DCharlie]

Way to go Barbara, keep gearing up to lose to Condalezza Rice in 2010

it's a pity you'll be in Iran on active duty as a drafted unit, so you won't be able to see it

 

[Belfast]

Indeed, when I started watching Boxer lambast Rice on TV, I kept thinking how horribly she was coming off, even if I largely agreed with what she was saying and she had the evidence to back it up. Its just the *way* in which she was saying it, its how most liberals come off in the conservative, public view. It really comes off as annoying, which unfortunately clouds her otherwise sound argument.

 

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[tetsuoxb]

Well, you need to learn more about political activism in California then. We actually have our fair share of annoying Republican activists, but apparently the mainstream media fails to take note.

Maybe they arent as camera hungry.

 

[tetsuoxb]

it's a pity you'll be in Iran on active duty as a drafted unit, so you won't be able to see it

Just as long as you send 100 yen sours to the front.. ill be ok.

Not to mention being flatfooted helps the whole draft thing.

 

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[tetsuoxb]

Maybe your news sources suck or maybe you aren't doing your homework before you talk about stuff you don't know.

Or maybe they arent camera hungry

The problem with most political activism is that it is not issue based, but partisan. Add to that camera hungry actors and the politicans they donate towards and you have some of the most braindead BS coming out of California. Im not saying there are not smart activists in California, I for one love Larry Lessig from Stanford, but the majority are just partisan hacks.

Larry Lessig is a man with an issue, not a party, and he does a great job of expressing his viewpoint. However, he cant get politicans or actors to come out in favor of CopyLeft or Creative Commons.... why?

Because California politicans take so much money from entertainment companies that they are often responsible for some of the backwards IP law in the US. But, "they are pretty damn popular" so I think the braindead nature of California's activists shows through.

Instead you have people like Mayor Newsom creating tempests in teapots just to get his face on TV. Thanks, but I will take important things for 100 Alex and leave the bullshit political potpourri to the Cal students.

 

[Outlaw Pro Mod]

Boxer rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Feed me more slop please!!!

 

[xsarien]

Way to go Barbara, keep gearing up to lose to Condalezza Rice in 2010. Make sure you keep the senate seat warm for her until then.

You really think that Condi has even a snowball's chance in hell of winning anything more than the lottery in California? Cute. At least the GOP is being smart with New York and trying to push Powell to run against Hillary. If he's LUCKY, he could salvage what little credibility he has left and maybe win.

But I doubt it.

 

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[tetsuoxb]

Or correctly, how little I know about the Gay activist base. The plot thickens when you express your membership to this group because now your positions make more sense.

Frankly I dont care about the Gay activist base. I support gay marriage because I feel it falls under the equal protection clause, I dont support homosexuality. I find it morally reprehensible. I do support homosexuals. I have near and dear gay friends, am interested in queer studies, especially the idea of homosociality (see Between Men by Eve Sedgwick); however, I disagree with their lifestyle choice just like I disagree with the few friends I know who are active marijuana/mdma users. That being said, I am totally 100% completely disinterested in gay activism.

What troubles me about your post are several things - your idea that they should be punished is interesting to me and also a bit scary. What exactly should they be punished for? I think what most activist fail to realize is that the other side is defending their beliefs like you are defending yours.

I am also troubled because I think you are foolish if you think for an instant that Gavin Newsom or Barbara Boxer care about anything but your vote. If they were in any other state, their stand would be tailor made to the electorate of that state. They desire the face time, the noteriety, and the free publicity because it furthers their political ambitions.

You are also foolish to think that the kind of activism, especially the kind of open celebration of homosexuality that San Fransisco gay marriages turned into, is going to make your sociopolitical group any friends. What I think you fail to realize is that most of American finds gay activism the only thing worse than homosexuality itself. Hence the widespread support for anti-gay marriage amendments. You would be a much smarter activist, a much better activist, if you let the issue of equal protection be your centerpiece and dropped the "were queer, were here, and were gonna punish you" rhetoric. Your appeals should be as reasoned adults, and not the kind of gay pride make out session on the court steps activism that turned the rest of america against your cause... which was a valid one.

I hope you get where I am going with this? I agree with your fight against what you call second class citizenship, but your activism in a liberal leaning state has turned off the majority of Americans, and the politicians who are using your cause for political gain are just furthering the damage.

 

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[tetsuoxb]

I am making assumptions because you arent providing answers. You can allude to gay rights as your struggle and then take offense when I assume that it is.

And I never meant to be saying you said those words yourself... however, that is the common rhetoric of gay activists.

 

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[tetsuoxb]

ask, don't assume

Where do I say that I am offended? However, the statement that I belong to a "gay activist" group is misleading. I want to see large changes in American worldviews and thus belong to the progressive movement in general. You were trying to pigeonhole me into a subcategory of the activist base that illustrates only some of my goals.

As someone who has participated in activist events in California, I'd like your reasons. And btw, Boxer is pretty darn popular among the base. I'm glad she decided to delay retirement and run again.

1) Im not going to ask you for your political life story. Im working off what you post. If you don't post a clearly, and give me bits and pieces, don't bitch.

2)You seemed offended that I "put words in your mouth".

3) Those two quotes don't gel. Im not going to argue over the semantics of your personal situation. My point is this:

California Politicians are liberal grandstanding attention whores, and Boxer is the biggest one. A long walk on a short pier would do her a great deal of good. She should walk hand in hand with Newsom, considering his big issue is gay marriage but he can't even get his own straight one to work properly. Spell it with me know - P.A.R.T.I.S.A.N. H.A.C.K.E.R.Y!

California activism is a platform for known attention whores (entertainers) to give baseless and braindead opinions in front of frothing liberal college crowds while above mentioned grandstanding politicans show up to look pretty on TV.

The above two items do a whole hell of a lot to turn the rest of america off to a cause, no matter how righteous.

 

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[P90]

sonicfan is right; you can criticize the Resolution itself (very easily), but to say that "THIS ISN'T WHAT WE SIGNED" is either ignorant or dishonest, and it won't help Boxer's cause.


And yeah, radioheadrule, I wish we'd finished the job in the early 90s instead of abandoning the place and letting Hussein put down any resistance. That's a simplistic view, I know, but it makes more sense to me than the mess we're in now after letting that pot simmer for a decade.

Boxer had a bitch fight with Condi, but Condi held her own and then some. She did with the 9/11 committee as well.

True, Hussein should have been dealt with the first time.

The China points of others are appropo. But how many of you buy stuff made in China? That is supporting that regime. We are all hypocrites with that one, including myself.

 

[Azih]

if you think for an instant that Gavin Newsom or Barbara Boxer care about anything but your vote. If they were in any other state, their stand would be tailor made to the electorate of that state. They desire the face time, the noteriety, and the free publicity because it furthers their political ambitions.

Making assumptions about people's intent in order to discredit their views/actions stirkes me as being very very wrong. For one thing their motivations shouldn't be a part of the discussion at all their views/actions should be. Secondly you *DON'T* know what their motivations are.

 

[Dilbert]

tetsuoxb:

1) I know for a FACT that Hammy has been active in a variety of political events which have nothing to do with his sexual orientation. Your fascination with and borderline slurs towards his gayness are troubling.

2) I'm offended by half of what you wrote...not as a gay, but as a CALIFORNIAN. Your stereotypes are old, tired -- and oh yeah, WRONG.

 

[The Bookerman]

Powell is the only man that I respect in that damn United States goverment.

 

[ge-man]

Powell is the only man that I respect in that damn United States goverment.

That "is" became a "was" to me awhile back. Four years ago I would've voted for him as president. Now I wouldn't even shed a tear if his tenure as the Secretary of State ends up being the dead end of his political career. I expected more out him than any of the other dingbats and quacks that make up the 2000-04 administration.

 

[dog$]

it's a pity you'll be in Iran on active duty as a drafted unit, so you won't be able to see it

Man, I don't even want to see this joked about
Even if I fill out paperwork for being a Conscientious Objector, I'd rather rot in jail than be drafted.

 

[heavy liquid]

"I'm crushing your head, Ms. Boxer!"

 

[bob_arctor]

That being said I think Barbara Boxer came off like a fucking tard. You know what we all fucking know the administration is full of shit. Instead of focusing of the fuck ups why don't you focus of the fixings. We all know how the fuck we got here dumbass, why don't you do something incredible and have some fucking foresight and ask how the fuck do we get out and not have something like this happen again. Or maybe ask Rice how she is personally going to change to insure that the President is not given wrong information.

To me, all this line of thinking does is perpetuate the cycle. It enables no accountability, since now "we" all know the administration is full of shit, how can we really expect them to have ever done anything right? So in turn, they just never do. Which of course, will lead to the dissenters being told "Well, duh, they're fuck-ups, but what are YOU doing to solve the problem?" It's actually a really ingenious way of marginalizing dissent.

 

[Sumidor]

I swear, Condoleezza Rice looks like a vampire from Buffy.

 

[cvxfreak]

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