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Horizon MMO among several games reportedly canceled at NCSoft (separate project from the Horizon online game that’s in dev at Guerilla Games)
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Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
Hulst will go to psychiatric therapy if that happens.
Saber
Member
Hulst will go to psychiatric therapy if that happens.
Hes too busy fapping over horizon toys and spamming more stupid horizon projects at Sony.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
Hulst He's also obsessed with an ugly, fat girl.
Nonehxc
Member
Please someone make this same pic but with two Concord boxes thrashing Yoshida and the other guy, since Concord doesn't seem to only cancel games but the good people of Sony.
Felessan
Member
Lack of arguments entice you to spit bullshit? Like a typical service game hater.
I play for more than 30 years and a lot of asian games, both SP and service (those are huge in Asia). And from my experience - you are completely clueless what Asia game market is about
Tell it to Mihoyo games that "cheap market knockoff" can't earn several times more money than original pristine thing. All big 3 their games are knockoffs with very visible roots - they earn billions a year. Genshin gets more money in a year than BOTW over it's whole life. And HSR probably earned more money than all other jrpg combined.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
Genshin plays nothing like Zelda. Everything is different, they aren't even the same genre. If by "cheap" you mean a game with a 200M budget per year, I will tell you which of the two is the cheaper one.
BOTW invented literally nothing, but Mihoyo has revolutionized the mobile scene and even created a gacha template that now everyone else has adopted. It's the equivalent to Ubisoft open-world rules, but applied to gacha business model.
I won't even start discussing the higher production values, the godlike music, and the extensive lore, on a different realm from other JRPGs which look from the PS3 era in comparison.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Realistic take. Now the question is will they have any AA single-player games to complement them, as that could go a long way to filling out the release pipeline, specifically when it comes to exclusives.
Because the way things are right now, I don't think there are that many 3P exclusives left in their pipeline. None of the big Japanese 3P aside arguably Koei-Tecmo seem interested, ditto for Western 3P, at least when talking major franchises. Some of the Hero Project games may have potential, but they're unproven IP starting from ground zero with no cache; maybe a couple get lucky like Stellar Blade, but there's a sizable chance they don't.
There was a rumor months back about SIE working with 3P to revive some legacy IP as AA titles, like SEGA with Wipeout, but we don't even know if that rumor had any basis in being true. Just being frank, and even though it's good SIE are cleaning up the mess their GAAS glut created, I don't think it's looking that great for exclusives on the platform the next few years. From internal teams, we just have Intergalatic (which I think looks really interesting, but hope they don't make it divisive with Hollyweird/California politics), Ghosts of Yotei, and Wolverine among known games. Balrog has something cooking but no idea when that will release; everything else like TLOU3 is well off into PS6 territory.
Expand that to GAAS and there is Fairgame$ (they seriously had better fixed anything BTS that was even teasing pushing that towards being another Concord) and Marathon, and the usual MLB games. Internal studios-wise, it's very anemic. Among known timed 3P exclusives there's Death Stranding 2 (although for some reason I can't shake that they're going to announce it as a Day 1 Steam release too), a couple of smaller Hero Project games and...that's about it. Some are still holding out FFVII Part 3 is among them but I just can't picture it considering how Square-Enix have been acting of late; I'm expecting that to at least be a Steam/EGS Day 1 release alongside PS5. And it's not like PS5 has had any exclusives from major 3P pubs who aren't Square-Enix or Koei-Tecmo this gen, so why should I expect they suddenly get any from SEGA/Atlus, Capcom, Bandai-Namco, EA etc. going forward?
How many more pleasant surprises like Astro Bot does SIE have in them this gen? I think it's a legitimate question and again, good that they're cleaning up their software pipeline now, but it's just painful to think of how badly they screwed up their release schedule for what seems to be the rest of this gen, aside from some exceptions. And I'm not one of those people that are gonna go "well they're still getting all the big multiplats!" because multiplats aren't going to be what compels people to choose one platform over the other. Hell, they don't even guarantee the 1P software you may expect when the platform holder gets their 30% cut off the sales; we're witnessing some of that right now with SIE.
I'll be surprised if they don't at least try it. I mean, that game's done most of the legwork for them, it's on PC already. Just lend them the Horizon license and characters, add some game mechanics, and let that studio do its thing (including using their preferred art style).
Like at this point is it worth risking the remaining Horizon GAAS flopping and underperforming? At least if the clone game flops, they can walk away from it more easily and have spent much less doing so.
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Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
Not sure what you're getting at, but the games being cancelled right now have been in production/entered development in the last 3 or so years. Some - like the Naughty Dog game had been in development for longer, and others - like this NCSoft game had been in development for less.
Either way, a lot of people have been fired over the last year in apparent effort to recalibrate between single player and live service.
Alandring
Member
Wonderful. I didn't knew her.Not the first.
Hudo
Gold Member
Fuck, man. I laughed way too hard at that.
nial
Gold Member
Yet Horizon Zero Dawn managed to be the second best-selling first-party game in terms of unit sales on PSN in the regions of East and Southeast Asia, only behind The Last of Us Remastered.
I would like to know your process of research there.
Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
In the end perhaps Phil saw the true path to success.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
This was reportedly a mobile game, I was referring to that market. A Monster Hunter-like with RPG elements would work much better on consoles or PC. Guerrilla needs to add value (interesting lore, characters, new gameplay) to get new people interested in the franchise and keep the current ones. That's much easier to do in the platforms where they already have a fanbase. Mobile is a bloodbath right now.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
the world is healing and Men_In_Boxes is in shambles
nial
Gold Member
You followed the statement with "let alone on mobile", so you were definitely talking in a general matter. But if you insist, I think the idea that Sony shouldn't bother to tackle its second most popular IP in East Asia/SEA as a mobile venture because reasons is fundamentally flawed.
TransTrender
Gold Member
Seriously.
Burning crazy amounts of money for games that need to be wildly successful to brake even and end up getting canceled anyway positioned against soo many other possibilities for single player games that have smaller budgets.
Imagine how many dedicated and talented people are out there with a solid concept for a game, be it indie or AA sized or even AAA, that are simply looking for a break in to the industry and are shunned in favor of GAASlop.
Imagine how many hidden gems could have been uncovered, or new franchises launched, or how many 'Kojimas' 'Miyamotos' or 'Bleszinskis' to be discovered.
It's fucking tragic and incredibly short sided.
Fuck innovation! Lets go with the super high stakes gamble instead!
TheGodfather07
Member
The irony of Microsoft filling in the gaps for sony...
Ristifer
Member
It's better this way, better not see the light of day ever than come out and fumble it Concord style
Horizon is a one trick pony, no one cares about the redhead or the humans and factions in that world, the coolest stuff from that game comes from the robo-dinos and Guerrilla doesn't want to recognize it
Make an action rpg where I can make my own character and do whatever the fuck I want with the robo-dinos, either taming them or destroy them for scrap
Horizon is a one trick pony, no one cares about the redhead or the humans and factions in that world, the coolest stuff from that game comes from the robo-dinos and Guerrilla doesn't want to recognize it
Make an action rpg where I can make my own character and do whatever the fuck I want with the robo-dinos, either taming them or destroy them for scrap
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Spiral1407
Member
Concord died for our sins
Hero_Select
Member
Playstation is currently a dumpsterfire
Felessan
Member
Genshin on launch was a bleak game on 100M budget (most of it went to infrastructure that insanely costly for service games and ads) that grab a LOT from Zelda. It was a very popular and widespread accusation on its launch. And honestly 1.0 was very plain and basic on visibly limited budget, and only after initial success budget was upped significantly and Inazuma has way higher quality.
And no, it's not really revolutionized the mobile scene, it wasn't the first gacha game, it wasn't the first AAA gacha game. It just hit the sweet spot at a right time (when average telephone in urban asia become capable to run games of Genshin level of graphics).
1.0 Genshin? Sure, sure, some people really lose reality over their favorite game.
Negotiator
Member
And people say Sony is No1 game company... Tencent is No1, but anyway. I won't bother with their warped perception of reality.
TrebleShot
Member
Sony are an absolute mess.
Talk about a fall from grace.
At least PS5s are selling for EAFC and COD I guess.
Talk about a fall from grace.
At least PS5s are selling for EAFC and COD I guess.
Mhmmm 2077
Member
we still have that chinese horizon game, right?
It needs a board at least 51% vote of no confidence for his removal. Corporation works that way. I just hope he has the decency just to step down. And I hope leadership will be back to Japan.
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It is selling because it is a very good hardware. Sony is making an own goal or digging there own grave. Good thing they are in the lead and fans are very patient and loyal. February State of play must show us something to believe in Sony.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
It’s Sony. Nothing shocks me anymore
Perrott
Member
Did Sony just license out Horizon to them rather than acting as the project's publisher? Because if this were to be a regular first-party deal, then this contract for an Horizon MMO would've been one of the things keeping NCSoft afloat and their staff busy.It's funny (well, not really) how people are focusing on Sony here, without realizing that this is NCSoft cancelling a lot of stuff because they're about to fucking die.
De nouveaux projets sabordés chez NCsoft, des équipes de développement réaffectées
Selon les cadres de NCsoft, si le groupe ne se redresse pas en 2025, le studio n'aura plus d'avenir. Le géant coréen poursuit ses restructurations, saborde de nouveaux projets de jeux pour renforcer d'autres équipes de développement.www.jeuxonline.info
Otherwise, I don't see how NCSoft would've been able to make the call to cancel the game themselves.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I thought this Horizon MMO game was already cancelled? There's the other one too that is alive right?
Was this NCsoft game one of the 12 GAAS announced years ago?
Was this NCsoft game one of the 12 GAAS announced years ago?
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Perrott
Member
What the fuck?
- Cory Barlog has been working on a new IP over at Santa Monica Studio since 2018. That's why he didn't direct Ragnarök.
- Firesprite began work on an Until Dawn sequel in 2020.
- Hermen Hulst hinted at further first-party collaborations with Kojima Productions (which has since unveiled DS2 and Physint) and FromSoftware in 2021.
- Housemarque moved on to a new IP immediately after shipping Returnal in 2021.
- The third mainline Horizon game, wrapping up Aloy's story, began work following the release of Forbidden West - which took five years to make - in 2022. Horizon Online is led by a separate team at Guerrilla.
- Naughty Dog has a third (or potentially fourth) development line, which consists of another close collaboration with PS Studios Visual Arts, likely for another remake following the successful delivery of The Last Of Us Part I in 2022.
- Marvel's Spider-Man: Venom was slated as releasing in 2027, according to the Insomniac leak.
- Marvel's Spider-Man 3 was slated as releasing in 2028, according to the Insomniac leak. The PS6 doesn't come out until late 2028.
They PS4 didn't have nearly as much AAA first-party games in its golden years as the PS5 is projected to have, even after seeing the demise of over half-a-dozen upcoming projects in the past years.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Sony CEO Hiroki Totoki's new PSN avatar.
CityHunter1981
An Absolute Desaster
Wouldn’t surprise me. Sony is probably now monitor their gaas games very closely after the recent disaster and if they don’t like what they see, rather pulll the plug instead of risking to loose even more money.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
No doubt $2B total IMO too. That includes for me whatever bomb in value and retention payouts from Bungie.
H2 has been a humongous success but the net revenue they get from sales and mtx only goes so far.
I think youre right. Concord was supposed to be the big enchilada, whose huge success would help subsidize any losses and dev budgets of other GAAS games and the entire company's overhead. Kind of like Fortnite being such a huge cash maker it'll cover whatever server costs, free monthly games, and occasional Epic Games game they make that isnt Fortnite related. If Fortnite wasnt such a success, Epic would be in a totally different situation.
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Negotiator
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Not true, but I'm not gonna bother with list wars.
PS4 games were cheaper and faster to make, that's why we had more games. That's a fact.
PS6 will have even less games than the PS5, unless a miracle happens (AI dev tools)...
Negotiator
Member
That's why Sony invested in 12 GaaS projects.
It's the equivalent of investing in 12 different stocks... 11 could go to zero, but 1 of them could potentially be very lucrative.
The thing is, Sony doesn't really have to gamble in unknown/unproven projects.
They already have a rich MP portfolio from the PS3 era that they can revive with minimal costs... even if they fail, the damage will be minimal.
Why risk 400 million $$$ in Concord, while you can remaster Killzone, SOCOM, Uncharted MP? These are beloved franchises that many MP gamers would love to play.
I honestly don't get it. It's very easy to please both MP and SP gamers, all while not breaking the bank.
Fortnite was announced back in 2011 and it was a relatively small MP project in the beginning (think of Uncharted 3 MP, which later on became F2P and ND added MTX -> wacky skins for kids).
"Greatness from small beginnings" --> sounds familiar, doesn't it?
nial
Gold Member
We don't really, but I kinda doubt it was a licensing deal as Guerrilla seemed to be somewhat involved just like they were with COTM and Lego Horizon.
That said, I don't know if the reports are that true, at all.
nial
Gold Member
So, it looks like the ERA user above was right on the money.
Horizon: Land of Salvation is still fine, and should still be as long as NCSoft receives funding and production staff assistance from publisher SIE.
From the e-mail:
Thick Thighs Save Lives
Horizon: Land of Salvation is still fine, and should still be as long as NCSoft receives funding and production staff assistance from publisher SIE.
From the e-mail:
Thick Thighs Save Lives
nial
Gold Member
Here's a report stating that the Horizon MMO developed by NCSOFT and SIE is still in development:
