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House of Cards - Season 2 on Netflix - *Spoilers for all of S2*

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Zen

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And yeah franks porn had plenty of ladies.

Watched some more episodes.
Good God, is this inferior to the original. I mean they made him into a Democrat? That ruins a good chunk of the character right there.

Are you seriously telling everyone that you missed it when they explicitly said that he was a democrat very early in season 1 (right before they introduced Remy)?
 

Blackhead

Redarse
I can't believe how many people didn't realize Frank was gay. The library scene in S1 was pretty blatant about it, and then there's the fact that he never has sex with his wife (that we know of) and that he didn't take any pleasure in having sex with Zoe.



So if frank isn't fucking Claire then how did she get pregnant?
 

Van Owen

Banned
So if frank is fucking Claire then how did she get pregnant?

I don't even know if that was just a lie Claire was telling before she admitted to an abortion from the rape, but no one said he doesn't like women too. Kind of like the Chinese guy getting blown by a girl and a girl with a bag over his head.

He might lean more towards men, which is also probably why he wasn't upset that Claire continued to fuck the photographer though.
 

someday

Banned
The weirdest scene to me was the two of them in bed talking about how they miss sexual relationships, but never contemplating having a go at each other.
 

someday

Banned
I'm sure they have sex.

Have they ever shown that? I can't remember even one scene of them being sexual (without a third) and I don't think that's an oversight. I see them as incredibly committed to each other and loving, but there is a reason they've only shown them sleep with other people.
 

Arksy

Member
So uhh, why was a special prosecutor called? What's the actual crime? Accepting foreign political donations? Wouldn't the 1st amendment protect the ability to do that?
 

someday

Banned
So uhh, why was a special prosecutor called? What's the actual crime? Accepting foreign political donations? Wouldn't the 1st amendment protect the ability to do that?
I'm pretty sure it's against the law to accept foreign donations when running for public office.
 
I'm about half way through the show right now. So damn good.

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Macam

Banned
good riddance to stamper. that guy was a fucking creep. i hated him

Well, none of the characters are the least bit likable; save for BBQ man, they're virtually all creeps. I'm still waiting for them to get the Stamper side story some greater significance, especially for the amount of air time they dedicate to it.

It's a well produced show, but like, Netflix's other original programming (here's to you, OITNB), it's still substantially lacking that, for lack of a better term, creative soul. Two seasons in, and it's still all over the map. The show seems to strain for credibility by integrating fairly recent topic pieces into the story, as if to make up for any sort of interesting character development. Everyone feels like wax caricatures of a human being, which just makes the dramatic events feel underwhelming, as if they fell into some emotional uncanny valley.
 

Zalasta

Member
Season two feels so petty in comparison, Frank's pissing contest with Raymond and Claire's bill. I realize this is similar to the education bill and the clean water act but they were only part of a bigger (and more compelling) play. Only 2 more episodes left but so far I'm not impressed.
 

Jimothy

Member
Christ this new season is awful. Probably one of the bigger quality drop offs in recent television history. The McPoyle hacker subplot is just...I can't put it into words how completely terrible it is. Like, I was embarrassed just to be watching it. What the fuck happened.
 

FloatOn

Member
Finished season 2 a few days ago. Frank Underwood has filled the void in my life that Heisenberg has left behind.

I predict (I have not seen the british miniseries):

- Season 3 will be the last season
- Rachel Posner is going to be hugely instrumental in Frank's downfall.
- Lucas Goodwin is going to be freed by way of Gavin.
- The details of Stamper's death will only surface when Rachel starts working with the press to bring down Frank.
 
I don't understand why Frank and Doug didn't just arrange for Rachel's death early in season two. She was the only link between Russo's death and Underwood, and if she was eliminated, Zoe, Lucas, and Janine would have nothing. Instead they spend a lot of time and effort hiding her and taking care of her.
 
Christ this new season is awful. Probably one of the bigger quality drop offs in recent television history. The McPoyle hacker subplot is just...I can't put it into words how completely terrible it is. Like, I was embarrassed just to be watching it. What the fuck happened.

It really is awful. I hated it, and loved the first season.
 
My theory is that in Season 3, Cashew , McPoyle's hamster is the one pulling Tusk's strings. I enjoyed the show so far, but I am getting flashbacks of Homeland's fall.
 

AniHawk

Member
well i cleared s1 and s2 just recently.

s1 wasn't perfect, but it felt somewhat focused. the whole revenge plot sort of got lost somewhere in the middle, but everything wrapped all right. s2
is the life and times of frank underwood, which i guess the writers felt wasn't interesting enough to move the plot along on its own? it suffers from focusing too much on what were formerly bit players. lucas, rachel, and freddy didn't need their own stories dedicated to them (and of those, freddy's was the best, but it was fairly pointless overall).
 
This season was pretty bad. I really don't understand the hype. Everyone acts like a complete idiot around Frank that I can't be engrossed by any of his feats. The show keeps desperately trying to remind me that he's a genius, which would be bearable if they didn't dumb down everyone else to prop him up.

Is season three the final season?
 

AniHawk

Member
This season was pretty bad. I really don't understand the hype. Everyone acts like a complete idiot around Frank that I can't be engrossed by any of his feats. The show keeps desperately trying to remind me that he's a genius, which would be bearable if they didn't dumb down everyone else to prop him up.

Is season three the final season?

yeah i agree with that too. they try to make tusk the anti-frank and it only shows up in flashes. most major threats come from the outside (media), which is no fun. there's no one that fights him on his ground.
 

Nameless

Member
I have no interest in watching the downfall of Frank Underwood nor would I find it believable. You can't set a guy up as a deity level strategist
who scammed and schemed and ascended to the hightest position in the world
on a stairway of lies & corpses and have him magically fall victim to some karmic comeuppance.
That they killed off Doug, in ridiculous fashion, for no other reason than to have Frank assume the Presidency with consequence doesn't fill me with confidence that they won't be even more contrived next season and have skiddish, emotional, idiotic fuckin Rachel bring down the White House.

 
 
This season was pretty bad. I really don't understand the hype. Everyone acts like a complete idiot around Frank that I can't be engrossed by any of his feats. The show keeps desperately trying to remind me that he's a genius, which would be bearable if they didn't dumb down everyone else to prop him up.

Is season three the final season?

I don't think I agree. There were plenty of moments in season 2 where it could have gone either way, and against him. And he made mention of that a lot. It just didn't. There's something to be said for that.

I did not see episode 11 coming at all btw. That was crazy. I had forgotten about the season 1 references though.
 

Nydius

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Christ this new season is awful. Probably one of the bigger quality drop offs in recent television history. The McPoyle hacker subplot is just...I can't put it into words how completely terrible it is. Like, I was embarrassed just to be watching it. What the fuck happened.

I'm glad I'm not alone in feeling this way. Season 2 was such a goddamn drag and predictable as hell, to boot. Who didn't see the final episode ending the way it did about 4 or 5 episodes beforehand?

I was also a bit annoyed that they effectively destroyed any other interesting characters outside of Frank, Claire, and Rachael. Almost everyone else is written completely out of the series or have been neutered through terrible writing. Remy is a joke compared to Remy of season one.
 

R-User!

Member
Frank will make the entire American populace think it was their idea to crown him Eternal Godking of America

"Well personally I am not fond of this idea but if that is what the American people demand I will rule them for ten thousand years from my throne of human skulls."
*KNOCK KNOCK!

"Here, let me fix that for you sir..." >_>
 

davepoobond

you can't put a price on sparks
finally finished season 2 -- it had its ups and downs.

i had a big problem with the whole Rape scandal thing when the pictures were being released to show Claire was exhibiting infidelity. like, the guy was so obnoxiously obtuse that even though HE was getting blackmailed into releasing those photos, he was somehow SURPRISED that Claire would try to maneuver out of it and use him as an out -- as if he's completely innocent in it. He should have expected it, and it was just very odd with his gaffaws and disbelief that Claire would say what she was saying. I don't know why any sane person would expect her to cough up to it.


The Meechum thing was a big wtf, but i liked it fine.

I really liked Stamper, i hope he isn't dead :(. They kind of neutered him toward the end of this season, though, so I guess they were setting that up in a way.

Rachel and Lisa... HNNNNGGG. oh man, wasn't expecting it, was almost hoping for Stamper/Rachel, but i guess we got something better. Rachel is so hot :p

rest of it was fine. Tusk's admission at the end without implicating Frank felt sort of weird, but its "understandable" because his real target became the president once he screwed him out of his pardon.


there were a couple of just strange leaps in logic that resulted in some idiocy on the part of characters, but its really just due to lazy writing. the computer hacker is funny, i guess. Lucas, they just wanted to end his story, and it was kind of dragging on too long anyway. I was really surprised when they killed off Kate Mara, though. They've got a lot of hot chicks in this show. :|
 
The Meechum thing almost made me stop watching completely. Sometimes I feel like this show adds in random things for shock value. I'm not American; I don't notice if they fudge the politics. However, there are some things that I can't help but notice. What was up with the Chinese guy's introduction? Why was he tied up and doing weird things with weird people? More importantly, what does this tell us about his character and why are you showing us this? Will there be a scandal? Is he a control freak? What? Nothing? I feel like the Meechum thing was like that. I read an interesting comment somewhere a while back that compared it to a vampire initiation. I kind of liked that explanation but it didn't explain why he was being initiated. It just seemed so random. I know a lot of people point to all of those Meechum scenes prior but those did NOT foreshadow what was to come. I actually thought that Meechum was going to become a trusted friend that he could speak to (like the ribs guy was). Anyone who "expected" the Meechum threesome and claims to have "seen it coming", is either lying or sees the world through a very dirty lens.
 

Dabanton

Member
The Kate Mara thing was interesting as at the end of the first season I was a bit eh? when he didn't kill her. But it made for a much better season opener had a lot more power as well. As the audience had settled into things being a certain way. And then bam.
 

davepoobond

you can't put a price on sparks
The Meechum thing almost made me stop watching completely. Sometimes I feel like this show adds in random things for shock value. I'm not American; I don't notice if they fudge the politics. However, there are some things that I can't help but notice. What was up with the Chinese guy's introduction? Why was he tied up and doing weird things with weird people? More importantly, what does this tell us about his character and why are you showing us this? Will there be a scandal? Is he a control freak? What? Nothing?

i think it was supposed to characterize him a bit.

it was plainly supposed to tell you a couple things right off the bat:

"this guy is rich"
"this guy is into weird sex"
"this guy is probably very dangerous"

none of that seemed to really pan out, though, but during the scenes you saw him, i felt those things still, so i wasn't sure what would happen next with that guy. It was probably a bit of misdirection -- you never put anything in that you don't want to be seen. They had some sort of intention behind it, otherwise it wouldn't have been filmed.


I feel like the Meechum thing was like that. I read an interesting comment somewhere a while back that compared it to a vampire initiation. I kind of liked that explanation but it didn't explain why he was being initiated. It just seemed so random. I know a lot of people point to all of those Meechum scenes prior but those did NOT foreshadow what was to come. I actually thought that Meechum was going to become a trusted friend that he could speak to (like the ribs guy was). Anyone who "expected" the Meechum threesome and claims to have "seen it coming", is either lying or sees the world through a very dirty lens.

there's definitely no way to see it coming, but i did think they were setting up something between Meechum and Claire the last couple episodes before they did the nasty -- the fact that Frank got in on the action at the same time was the real shocker -- to me, anyway. It might have had a shock value to it, but when you look back, you don't see Frank or Claire having sex except with other people. The same still holds true here, they had sex, but only "with" someone else as well.

There may be more to that, but it looks like they give up sex entirely to get to their end goals, and that's supposed to imply they are very serious about what they hope to (and did) attain.

they bothered showing Rachel/Lisa having sex and it was probably gratuitous just by itself, since it didn't really serve much extra plot telling to see them actually naked and fucking -- so they could have easily put something in with Frank/Claire having sex somewhere this season (i can't remember if they even had sex in the first season either).


The Kate Mara thing was interesting as at the end of the first season I was a bit eh? when he didn't kill her. But it made for a much better season opener had a lot more power as well. As the audience had settled into things being a certain way. And then bam.

yeah, i was definitely shocked. i was totally not expecting it. i was in disbelief during the duration of the next episode.
 

Dabanton

Member
The Meechum thing almost made me stop watching completely. Sometimes I feel like this show adds in random things for shock value. I'm not American; I don't notice if they fudge the politics. However, there are some things that I can't help but notice. What was up with the Chinese guy's introduction? Why was he tied up and doing weird things with weird people? More importantly, what does this tell us about his character and why are you showing us this? Will there be a scandal? Is he a control freak? What? Nothing? I feel like the Meechum thing was like that. I read an interesting comment somewhere a while back that compared it to a vampire initiation. I kind of liked that explanation but it didn't explain why he was being initiated. It just seemed so random. I know a lot of people point to all of those Meechum scenes prior but those did NOT foreshadow what was to come. I actually thought that Meechum was going to become a trusted friend that he could speak to (like the ribs guy was). Anyone who "expected" the Meechum threesome and claims to have "seen it coming", is either lying or sees the world through a very dirty lens.

Then I must see the world through a dirty lens. :p It was clear as day that Frank was interested in Meechum sexually, if you take the first season when we found out Frank had bi sexual encounters at College and it made it even clearer, As we went through the season. In all their early encounters in the season there was a weird sexual tension.

It was building up to it. The surprise for me was that Claire was into it too.
 

Dany

Banned
It was clear as day that Frank was hitting on Meechum. Though I agree that having the chinese fellow be introduced in that fashion made no sense except for the line later in the episode 'we only live once, why not try everything'
 

Sai-kun

Banned
The Meechum thing almost made me stop watching completely. Sometimes I feel like this show adds in random things for shock value. I'm not American; I don't notice if they fudge the politics. However, there are some things that I can't help but notice. What was up with the Chinese guy's introduction? Why was he tied up and doing weird things with weird people? More importantly, what does this tell us about his character and why are you showing us this? Will there be a scandal? Is he a control freak? What? Nothing? I feel like the Meechum thing was like that. I read an interesting comment somewhere a while back that compared it to a vampire initiation. I kind of liked that explanation but it didn't explain why he was being initiated. It just seemed so random. I know a lot of people point to all of those Meechum scenes prior but those did NOT foreshadow what was to come. I actually thought that Meechum was going to become a trusted friend that he could speak to (like the ribs guy was). Anyone who "expected" the Meechum threesome and claims to have "seen it coming", is either lying or sees the world through a very dirty lens.

lmao wow, really? Come on, you must have witnessed people interacting with each other who were into each other without saying anything.

I might have a dirty mind, but it was incredibly obvious that Frank was getting more and more into Meechum.

But I agree re: the Chinese rep's interesting introduction.
 

Pryce

Member
Finished it a 3 weeks ago but never posted my thoughts.

Found S2 to be a huge downgrade from S1. The entire thing with Tusk was boring and not interesting. Was hoping that Frank would actually develop into an actual character, but nope. He's still just a psychopath who bull dozes over everyone by outsmarting them.

A show that has a really flashy outer layer, but one with no depth, no interesting characters
RIP Russo
and a terrible, forced southern accent. When it gets nominated for more Emmy's than Rectify and Hannibal combined later this year....well.
 

Frost_Ace

Member
Finished it a 3 weeks ago but never posted my thoughts.

Found S2 to be a huge downgrade from S1. The entire thing with Tusk was boring and not interesting. Was hoping that Frank would actually develop into an actual character, but nope. He's still just a psychopath who bull dozes over everyone by outsmarting them.

A show that has a really flashy outer layer, but one with no depth, no interesting characters
RIP Russo
and a terrible, forced southern accent. When it gets nominated for more Emmy's than Rectify and Hannibal combined later this year....well.
Rectify is out of the emmy race this year since it starts in june :(
 
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