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[ManaByte]

Hinch, Luhnow are suspended for '20, then let go

Astros general manager Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch were each suspended without pay for the 2020 season by Major League Baseball, which on Monday released the findings from its investigation of Houston’s sign-stealing allegations. Approximately one hour after the penalties were issued...

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Astros general manager Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch have each been suspended without pay for the 2020 season by Major League Baseball, which on Monday released the findings from its investigation into Houston’s sign-stealing allegations.

Houston also forfeits its first- and second-round picks in the 2020 and 2021 MLB Drafts as part of the penalties. In addition, the Astros were fined $5 million, which is the highest allowable fine under the Major League Constitution.

In addition, former Astros assistant GM Brandon Taubman, who was dismissed by the club in October after he made offensive and insensitive comments directed at a group of female reporters at the conclusion of the American League Championship Series, has been suspended for one year. Taubman, who is currently not employed by a Major League club, will not be able to work in baseball during that time.

The suspensions of Luhnow, Hinch and Taubman are to begin immediately, ending on the day following the completion of the 2020 World Series.

STRIP THEM OF THEIR TITLE AND GIVE THE DODGERS THE TROPHY. Motherfuckers!

 

[Mista]

Musky_Cheese Get in here!

 

[Setzer]

Should be stripped of their World Series title as well.

Red Sox and Alex Cora up next.

 

[Bladed Thesis]

Worth it, I'd imagine.

 

[Nester99]

RED SOX NEXT PLEASE.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

Musky_Cheese Get in here!

Reading it all now lol

 

[ThatStupidLion]

im no baseball fan, but that seems a bit light for penalties.

a WS is worth more than 2 first rnd draft picks, the GM, assistant gm, and manager being suspended without pay for 1 year, and a 5 mil fine....

it would almost encourage me to cheat

 

[Musky_Cheese]

RED SOX NEXT PLEASE.

Red Sox will likely not be near as severe, except for Cora. Cora May get hit with a 1.5x multiplier

im no baseball fan, but that seems a bit light for penalties.

a WS is worth more than 2 first rnd draft picks, the GM, assistant gm, and manager being suspended without pay for 1 year, and a 5 mil fine....

it would almost encourage me to cheat

Realistically it as much as they can do. They can’t take the title away. Perhaps more money in the fine.

 

[Captain Zyrain]

Did they ever confirm if they did this IN the World Series or just in the lead up? I can't remember.

 

[TheSadRanger]

im no baseball fan, but that seems a bit light for penalties.

a WS is worth more than 2 first rnd draft picks, the GM, assistant gm, and manager being suspended without pay for 1 year, and a 5 mil fine....

it would almost encourage me to cheat

That's a huge penalty for the long term, the Astros farm system is gonna be in shambles for a while. Losing both your 1st and 2nd round two years in a row is a big deal.

 

[ManaByte]

You cheat in the WS, you get banned for life. Period. Manfred just gave them slap on the wrist.

 

[daemissary]

Why does everyone say “they can’t take the title away?”

They cheated in such a way that they had a significant competitive advantage over the other teams...if you can’t take the title away from them for this, what exactly would need to happen for a team to be stripped of a chip?

 

[EverydayBeast]

They knew someone was decoding designs, we knew there's cheaters in baseball the thing that still separates the Astros from the rest of baseball is their roster, I've never seen such a staked roster.

 

[ManaByte]

 

[Deleted member 1159]

They knew someone was decoding designs, we knew there's cheaters in baseball the thing that still separates the Astros from the rest of baseball is their roster, I've never seen such a staked roster.

Lots of teams have insane rosters, the post season is still a crap shoot, and tipping the scales by cheating delegitimizes the whole thing. Yes, if you ain’t cheatin you ain’t tryin, I think we all accept some level of fuckery, but this was particularly egregious. It’s almost crazy it wasn’t caught in real time

 

[Ownage]

How'd they cheat?

 

[EverydayBeast]

Lots of teams have insane rosters, the post season is still a crap shoot, and tipping the scales by cheating delegitimizes the whole thing. Yes, if you ain’t cheatin you ain’t tryin, I think we all accept some level of fuckery, but this was particularly egregious. It’s almost crazy it wasn’t caught in real time

Astros the Patriots of the MLB and the Patriots won super bowls after their scandals.

 

[Papa]

Musky_Cheese how does this affect Juan Soto?

 

[DragoonKain]

Not surprising the Red Sox are also caught up in this. That loser ass city of Boston has done nothing but cheat in every sport in the last 20 years. Man, they are one pathetic ass loser city.

 

[ManaByte]

How'd they cheat?

Used cameras to steal signs.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

Musky_Cheese how does this affect Juan Soto?

Juan Soto and company are the reigning defending undisputed World Series Champions.

 

[Master Of Illusion]

Now lets put an asterisk next to the last 20 years of Belichick's career next.

 

[Nester99]

How'd they cheat?

used a camera to steal the signs with a direct feed to the dig out. They would then signal the batter. The example I heard was to hit a garbage can with a bat if a change up was coming.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

used a camera to steal the signs with a direct feed to the dig out. They would then signal the batter. The example I heard was to hit a garbage can with a bat if a change up was coming.

Yes here is a great video

 

[Rock And Roll]

That's a huge penalty for the long term, the Astros farm system is gonna be in shambles for a while. Losing both your 1st and 2nd round two years in a row is a big deal.

That's 4 picks, that's nothing. I said 3 years minimum and possibly high as 5 because that wipes out your usual rebuild period. 2 is a light reload for a decent team and this isn't going to do much to the Astros.

Manfred is a punk ass clown. He wants to 1) institute a pitch clock 2)make pitchers face a minimum amount of hitters 3)ban defensive shifting amongst a whole other pile of stupidity and this guy can't even hand out a punishment.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

That's 4 picks, that's nothing. I said 3 years minimum and possibly high as 5 because that wipes out your usual rebuild period. 2 is a light reload for a decent team and this isn't going to do much to the Astros.

Manfred is a punk ass clown. He wants to 1) institute a pitch clock 2)make pitchers face a minimum amount of hitters 3)ban defensive shifting amongst a whole other pile of stupidity and this guy can't even hand out a punishment.

I think people might need a reminder that baseball draft picks are nothing like NFL in terms of complexity and number of rounds. Baseball is such a mechanics-based and mental game that how a player turns out in the long run is much harder to predict than football imo, and first/second round picks are much less of a sure thing than what you’d see in the NFL. This really does feel like a slap on the wrist.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

That's 4 picks, that's nothing. I said 3 years minimum and possibly high as 5 because that wipes out your usual rebuild period. 2 is a light reload for a decent team and this isn't going to do much to the Astros.

Manfred is a punk ass clown. He wants to 1) institute a pitch clock 2)make pitchers face a minimum amount of hitters 3)ban defensive shifting amongst a whole other pile of stupidity and this guy can't even hand out a punishment.

Don’t disagree for most. While I see Hinch and company only 1 year ban as light, lets be honest... he’s unlikely to find a job after that 1st year. It’s a 1 year ban that will act as a multi year ban.

Id have gone higher on the fine. Or rather, set that teams luxury tax at 120 for 5 years lol

 

[Lionel Richie]

Red Sox will likely not be near as severe, except for Cora. Cora May get hit with a 1.5x multiplier

Yeah, Cora's fucked. Red Sox having to find a new manager in january is just terrible.

 

[greyshark]

They should have suspended the players involved too.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

They should have suspended the players involved too.

It is interesting to see no player involvement in this.

Yeah, Cora's fucked. Red Sox having to find a new manager in january is just terrible.

Cora is fubar. For sure. I am waiting to see if he is fired before he is disciplined by MLB.

FYI here is offical findings
https://img.mlbstatic.com/mlb-images/image/upload/mlb/cglrhmlrwwbkacty27l7.pdf

 

[Cybrwzrd]

Pete Rose - Lifetime ban from Baseball for making some bets
Houston Astros - Cheat to win and get a one year ban.

 

[ManaByte]

Yes here is a great video

Fuck them. Ban them for life Manfred.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

Fuck them. Ban them for life Manfred.

I think Cora may get that lifetime ban honestly

 

[Trogdor1123]

Forgive me, what rule does this break? It sounds like a creative solution

 

[Musky_Cheese]

Forgive me, what rule does this break? It sounds like a creative solution

Using electronics to steal signs is a big no no

 

[Trogdor1123]

Using electronics to steal signs is a big no no

Ok, I wasn't aware, it's not like it's a grey area, they literally broke a rule.

 

[ManaByte]

Ok, I wasn't aware, it's not like it's a grey area, they literally broke a rule.

Figuring out a ptichers’ tells is part of the game and perfectly legal. Filming the signs with a camera live feed and signaling the batter is cheating.

 

[cryptoadam]

Truer words have never been spoken.

 

[greyshark]

Ok, I wasn't aware, it's not like it's a grey area, they literally broke a rule.

Manfred sent out a memo in September 2017 explicitly warning against the use of technology during games.

 

[ManaByte]

I think the management and every single player on the team who knew what they were doing needs to be banned for life like the 1919 White Sox. And the title vacated and given to the team that came in #2 that year, the Dodgers.

 

[Frito_Pendejo]

Musky_Cheese how does this affect Juan Soto?

Bring them back around so he can hit more bombs off of their pitching.

 

[Papa]

Bring them back around so he can hit more bombs off of their pitching.

I agree, more bombs

 

[Trojita]

How do you not take away their title?

 

[Rock And Roll]

Stripping them of their world series was never going to happen realistically. It's just going to be a tainted championship. Hinch and friends catching severe bans was a possibility though and the MLB decided to let them off easy.

There's a good chance Luhnow and Hinch never get hired again as an unofficial ban, but that doesn't really change things. I liked the idea of rolling suspensions for the players too (example, springer out for 20 then when reinstated altuve out for 20 then Bregman etc....)

Now Cora might be the one to catch a lifetime ban as he's said to be the mastermind, plus with the Red Sox using the replay room in 2018.

 

[Musky_Cheese]

Stripping them of their world series was never going to happen realistically. It's just going to be a tainted championship. Hinch and friends catching severe bans was a possibility though and the MLB decided to let them off easy.

There's a good chance Luhnow and Hinch never get hired again as an unofficial ban, but that doesn't really change things. I liked the idea of rolling suspensions for the players too (example, springer out for 20 then when reinstated altuve out for 20 then Bregman etc....)

Now Cora might be the one to catch a lifetime ban as he's said to be the mastermind, plus with the Red Sox using the replay room in 2018.

I suspect, but obviously have no proof, that the labor union and soon to end labor agreement plays at least some part in players not getting disciplined

 

[Nester99]

They should have suspended the players involved too.

Players were given full immunity if they cane clean with the full details, and they did. The players union is a powerful entity. The coaches and executives do not have union protection.

$5mm, should have been $50mm.

rumor is Alex Cora was the ringleader at both clubs.

 

[newtypepilot]

meanwhile, using steroids is ok!!

 

[ManaByte]

meanwhile, using steroids is ok!!

Meanwhile Pete Rose is saying WTF?

 

[EverythingsOverrated]

Call me crazy, but this is the best thing to happen to baseball in years.

MLB has been mulling over dumb ass potential rule changes and other goofy shit to attract a younger audience, but what's more interesting than sports conspiracies?

I'm half joking, but really though, when was the last time baseball has been interesting to the average non-fan (this is coming from a big baseball fan btw)?

 

[cr0w]

Cora is fucked. The rest of MLB is lucky that only Fiers came out to blow the whistle.

I think the firings send the right message even if I don't agree with them since Hinch actually tried to damage the monitor to stop it. I also think Beltran needs some sort of punishment.

Regardless, stripping them of the title is a pipe dream. They used the system at home, and not in the playoffs. They still had to hit and execute pitches. The punishment fits.