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How come Souls community is adamant at telling you to "Git Gud" but won't dare go near a fighting game?
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Captain Toad
Banned
Um, no.
bitbydeath
Member
Levelling up is a requirement in souls games, you won’t ‘git gud’ without it.
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Makoto-Yuki
Gold Member
The difference between Souls and Fighting games is that one is easy and one requires skill. Souls games are not difficult. They are mistakenly labelled as difficult because compared to the average game it does not hold your hand, let you adjust difficulty, and you need to be willing to learn from your mistakes. The whole "git gud" thing is a stupid meme and shouldn't be taken seriously. Yes you do need to adapt to the game but if you take the time to learn how the game plays and get used to the controls (like any other game) then you will be fine. Anytime that I've played a Souls game I might take a couple hours to settle into it and after that I'm strolling through the game.
Take Elden Ring for example. I struggled for the first hour and realised that I wasn't meant to fight the Tree Sentinel boss at that point so I moved on, levelled up, then came back to kick its ass. I got teleported into another area and realised I wasn't meant to be there so came back later. For about the next maybe 50 hours I didn't come across any major challenges. There was a boss I did struggle with but once I got that out the way then the rest of the game was easy right up until the end.
It was almost exactly the same experience for Dark Souls, Bloodborne, and Sekiro.
Fighting games are very competitive and require skill. I've tried to get into them but they aren't for me. I suppose that supports your argument so you can stop reading but they are two totally different types of games. In any competitive game you are going to have people who literally dedicate their life to playing it and being as good as they can. You could have people who don't even play Souls games and still can't get into fighting games.
Take Elden Ring for example. I struggled for the first hour and realised that I wasn't meant to fight the Tree Sentinel boss at that point so I moved on, levelled up, then came back to kick its ass. I got teleported into another area and realised I wasn't meant to be there so came back later. For about the next maybe 50 hours I didn't come across any major challenges. There was a boss I did struggle with but once I got that out the way then the rest of the game was easy right up until the end.
It was almost exactly the same experience for Dark Souls, Bloodborne, and Sekiro.
Fighting games are very competitive and require skill. I've tried to get into them but they aren't for me. I suppose that supports your argument so you can stop reading but they are two totally different types of games. In any competitive game you are going to have people who literally dedicate their life to playing it and being as good as they can. You could have people who don't even play Souls games and still can't get into fighting games.
Soodanim
Member
ITT OP gets mad about something he doesn't understand.
Git gud originates from Souls gameplay being designed around fair but punishing combat. If you died, it was probably avoidable and therefore there's no one to blame but yourself.
So you can try and apply that to PVP fighting games if you like, but it won't get you very far.
Git gud originates from Souls gameplay being designed around fair but punishing combat. If you died, it was probably avoidable and therefore there's no one to blame but yourself.
So you can try and apply that to PVP fighting games if you like, but it won't get you very far.
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TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
I don't know... have you actually asked everyone in the entire souls community?
I don't even think you know everyone in the entire souls community, so quite how you can speak to their propensity to play fighting games or not is truly a mystery indeed.
I don't even think you know everyone in the entire souls community, so quite how you can speak to their propensity to play fighting games or not is truly a mystery indeed.
Ultra Donny
Member
A naked lady?
Tell me. What do you see?
Thirty7ven
Banned
Here’s a poorly kept secret, Souls games don’t require much skill at all. Barely any reflexes, and the combat is very simple. It’s mostly a case of rock paper scissors and a waiting game. It gives a lower common denominator a sense of achievement because you have to learn how to kill a monster the first time you see them and then it’s rinse and repeat.
But so what right? It’s just funny how the games are actually not that hard at all which is why so many people are into them.
But so what right? It’s just funny how the games are actually not that hard at all which is why so many people are into them.
begotten
Member
Same reason why they've never played a Mega Man game, Nioh in it's intended way, 2D or 3D Ninja Gaiden, MGR on Revengeance, a DMC game on Must Die or above. Meanwhile they play every Soulsborne game the exact same way mashing circle and then say Sekiro is hard because they finally had to parry after 5 games. Skillful!
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Every loss in a fighting game can be 100% attributed to avoidable mistakes or poor decisions. Its like the entire genre. Souls version of "fair" is "lol you walked in a room and this thing one shot you. You SHOULD have known he was there". The actual boss fights are pretty fair though.
Nickolaidas
Member
... clouds.
Tell me. What do you see?
Soodanim
Member
That's so wrong that I don't even know where to start.
Umbasaborne
Banned
For everyone making these threads these past few days…No one thinks your tough or impressive for playing video games
IFireflyl
Gold Member
Tell me. What do you see?
Diamond Weapon from Final Fantasy VII.
Captain Toad
Banned
Um, no.
gaming_again
Member
Dafuq? Lmao
Captain Toad
Banned
I'm a huge Souls fan, and he's not wrong, for the most part.
Souls games are not that difficult, but they do require your focus and will punish you.
I'm not including Sekiro here. That game is difficult (but, just bosses and mini-bosses) and takes a much different playstyle than Souls games.
Saber
Member
Same fucking shit different day.
OP seems to have an argument with someone and felt like create a thread just for mocking. I play fighting games all the time.
GenericUser
Member
I was wondering the same thing the other day. FROM fans "waste" so much time getting better at fighting against a computer. Fighting against real humans in a proper fighting game is a thousand times more interesting imo. You are fighting against a glorified calculator, lol.
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LaughingStock
Member
But I don't like fighting games...
WhamBamThankYouMaam
Member
Right. However I can’t even play a fighting game for ten minutes before I get bored.
People have different tastes, and fighting games has nothing to do with souls games.
Drizzlehell
Banned
If anyone tells me to git gud, then I immediately know that I will never want to have any sort of cordial relationship with that person. Also their face would be a great resting spot for my feet.
Honey Bunny
Member
I hate learning combos and I theres no appeal to fighting in the same way over and over without a good narrative.
kuncol02
Banned
Except there is no real punishment in Souls game. That's biggest lie of that genre. You actually don't loose anything. Whatever you lost you will regain in next run.
lughnasadh123
Member
kvltus lvlzvs
Member
I literally just found the bell for the first time, and this is my third playthrough. Had no idea it existed till 2 days ago.You all just playing Sekiro on easy all along....
Also, I think git gud is pretty much a joke at this point, as someone else pointed out above. Everybody who actually has played the souls games knows the difficult is present but not insurmountable and basically serves to make the power fantasy more satisfying. The few people who say git gud unironically are just trolls and nobody should really care what they have to say if they are not providing useful info alongside git gud.
I view this as a byproduct of froms terrible marketing decisions regarding the souls games post ds1 launch and during ds2s launch. "Prepare to die edition" etc.
Final edit: this also seems like a bait thread the likes of which one would find on /v/.
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Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
In my experience, hardcore fighting game players are only good at that genre. My friend used to love em but didn’t like shooters cuz he said it was unfair to be shot from the back sometimes since he couldn’t see the other player on the screen. They lack a fundamental sense of situational awareness due to having a rudimentary player v player viewpoint at at all times.
Git gud is a response to those begging to create a Dark souls easy mode, which is akin to fighting game players complaining about games being simplified and moves being added to help ease casuals in.
98.5% of games are baby easy now, so why can't people have one game where it's not a cakewalk?
98.5% of games are baby easy now, so why can't people have one game where it's not a cakewalk?
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
99% of those that tell you to git gud can't finish the game naked, using broken sword and not using auto aim/lock-on. They are hypocrites.
Kilau
Member
Our future is fighting computers. Fighting humans is friendly fire. Take the fight where it belongs. Death to ai!
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
I think 99% of Souls players grind and over level and act like they “got good”
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Link to the Past Ganon
Tell me. What do you see?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Flutta
Banned
Who hurt you OP? Don’t worry we’re here for you. Just one step at a time, you’ll get there, but before getting there you have to confess to yourself that you suck, you’re a casual OP, you are one of those easy mode people.
Do that and i promise you ”Git Gud” will be become second nature to you.
Do that and i promise you ”Git Gud” will be become second nature to you.
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64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
come on man you're better than this
Wildebeest
Member
Git gud means find the most overpowered mechanics and cheese your way through the game.