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[bjb]

I'm not saying there isn't rare cases - perhaps single percentage statistics which suggest that fats do in fact have a healthy diet and exercise regularly - yet remain obese.

However, those individuals are certainly in the minority. Otherwise, we wouldn't have the overwhelming data to clearly indicate the opposite. Therefore, it simply can't be brushed aside as anecdotal, regardless of how the message is delivered.

In regards to your specific case MTHanded - if everything you're saying is true; you eat healthy and exercise 4-5 times a week but are still overweight, then I really don't know what to say. Without actual specifics concerning your diet or fitness regiment - it just sounds bizarre. Perhaps get some bloodwork done or consult a physician for possible underlying medical causes.

 

[MThanded]

"Fats" really "fats"?

 

[cacophony]

I don't mind fat people but when they act like this I rage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6H6ENKF74cQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dvmtxP28flE

 

[bjb]

"Fats" really "fats"?

Uhm....yes. Obese/Overweight individuals?

You're acting a bit obtuse and defensive towards people offering sound advice and relevant facts.

 

[MThanded]

Uhm....yes. Obese/Overweight individuals?

You're acting a bit obtuse and defensive towards people offering sound advice and relevant facts.

I have never heard that term in my life. New one for me.

I see a lot of anectdotal bullshit in the specific post I responded to on the last page. Some people brought facts. It's not a fact that everyone does something when a subset of people do something. Quite the logical leap. That's a stereotype.

"ew salad"

 

[Vicetrailia]

I don't mind fat people but when they act like this I rage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6H6ENKF74cQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dvmtxP28flE

Why would the second video make you rage?

 

[cacophony]

Why would the second video make you rage?

lol because she's complaining the seats on the plane aren't not safe, when she is obese

 

[MThanded]

My point being that using terms like "fats" means you believe that everyone behaves a certain way. It's not true. Even if the majority of a set of people behave a certain way it doesn't mean everyone does. I take offense to that.

As an overweight person(been overweight since puberty) who gets up at 7 am to go to the gym 5 days a week, bikes to work some days, eats right, and monitors their food its very disingenuous for you to assume I'm drinking gallons of soda and I think vegetables are disgusting.

So before you start slinging around generalities you should check yourself.

Edit:
I know this is a battle I am not going to win. People think if someone is fat they must behave a certain way. Similar to how some people think if you are black you must behave a certain way. One of these things is more acceptable it seems.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Is "smokers" okay?

 

[Enter The 36 Chambers]

I think its more your appearance than your whole lifestyle man. Fats isn't really saying you aren't working at it. Its more just that someone is overweight.

lol because she's complaining the seats on the plane aren't not safe, when she is obese

I agree. How she gonna complain when she is that big? Utterly ridiculous. Why should the person next to her, who has paid the same amount for a seat have to be uncomfortable just because she's too big for the seat and is taking up that persons space.

 

[bjb]

My point being that using terms like "fats" means you believe that everyone behaves a certain way. It's not true. Even if the majority of a set of people behave a certain way it doesn't mean everyone does. I take offense to that.

I don't believe that at all. It's just a term used to describe people who are heavy.

 

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[Alex]

I put on a lot of weight after high school, as I went from a huge sports nut and athlete to sitting on my ass in front of a PC all day for work. Lost it all after it packed on slowly a few years later. Put it on once again, lost it all again. I'm lucky that I had (and still have) a pretty good metabolism, though.

I always just did low carb. Pretty much just meat (low on the cured pork, though), simple salads, strawberries or small servings of cheese for snacks, water to drink only (do not mess with diet sodas). I also go quite low cal when I do it. It's probably not some ideal manner (although I never felt remotely run down), but at 4 pounds a week loss, every week, for months on end, I'll take it. I can set my watch to my weight loss when I do it that way.

I seemed to stall very easy, though, I had trouble with it at first. Then I just cut out anything that sounded like it could remotely be a boogey man. Caffeine (coffee), sweetener (liquid splenda, as dry has carbs), dark chocolate, etc and I really start to bleed it off.

Never exercised. I love to exercise and work in the yard, but not when I was overweight for that period of time. Just feels wrong, oddly :lol I always read that exercise is actually fairly inconsequential for actual weight loss, though.

As for how I feel about people being overweight, well... it's up to them, obviously. I certainly do not treat people any different but my advice is if you're quite large and eating very poorly frequently to nip it in the bud while you're young. You don't have to give up everything, or to become a health food nut, but as you get older it's just going to get harder and harder unless you make an effort now. No amount of inconvenience by seeing a doctor if you're having problems or not eating your favorite things is worth the trade off for the health problems you will likely have later in life if you keep it up.

I've had a few family members who made zero effort to take care of themselves and it pretty much is either destroying them slowly or put them into an early grave.

 

[Gintamen]

As an overweight person myself, it's not that easy. Just last week, my girlfriend made cookies. She stays at my place every so often, so she left the cookies here so she can snack on them when she comes over. I have literally stood over the cookies and stared at them for a few minutes, forcing myself not to eat them. Telling myself it's not worth it. I've even picked up bad food, put it in my mouth, and spit it out because I couldn't control myself.

You could like... hide them somewhere, where you don't see them, which will lead to you forgetting about those. It works pretty fine with my "bad" stuff, unless I start eating more in recent times, than that will likely not stop me, unless I hide in a lockable cabinet.

I know eating that food makes you feel good for a little bit but you are hurting yourself and society in the long run.

That ice/burger taste so nice for the minute that you eat and what do you get out of it? A guilty conscience, that's how it's for me now and would be in any state, thin or fat. Why not eat a whole plate of stuff, satiating and most importantly, even better tasting, once you realize how bad most fast food really taste.

I've been fat, my friends been so too, some are still and I know very well how they would like to be thin, but without some work and strong willpower it can't be done. Helpful and supportive friends wouldn't be bad either. So I'm happy for every single fat person aiming to do something about their weight, but may look down on those that don't.

 

[SapientWolf]

My point being that using terms like "fats" means you believe that everyone behaves a certain way. It's not true. Even if the majority of a set of people behave a certain way it doesn't mean everyone does. I take offense to that.

Ain't that a shame.

 

[cacophony]

It's Okay to be fat you guys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=73SXX0w4eY8

 

[Lord Ghirahim]

It's Okay to be fat you guys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=73SXX0w4eY8

Urgh. If the first 15 diets "don't work", try diet #16. And "moderate exercise" is a paltry 60 minutes per week? No. Where did those figures come from?

 

[entremet]

I drink about 80 ounces of water a day. I'm saying if I were to have a soda it would be diet. I don't purchase sodas when I go to the grocery store. However, if I do have one which is rare it would be a diet soda.

Out of curiosity, have you gone to doctor to see if you may have thyroid issue? I've seen you active in the fitness thread and you eat pretty healthy, yet are stalling in your weight loss. I had a family member that had one and she ate super healthy and jogged all the time, but could never lose weight. She got diagnosed though.

 

[Yasae]

Being fat increases the likelihood of a person having some kind of self-esteem issue/weak will when it comes to food etc etc. It's not a guarantee; let's stop lying and saying it is. Vanity says fatness is weakness. It's usually turmoil. Strength says fat is an obstacle to be overcome. As is usual for GAF, there are a lot of vain posts.

I mean let's cut the bullshit. Is poverty advantageous? Is addiction? Can they be overcome? Are they necessarily a sign of weakness? But going by this thread they're all intentional pursuits of lazy good-for-nothings.

 

[neojubei]

Guess ill post this here as well

http://youtu.be/54uSD67M-Zo

I'm fat I know I'm fat people calling me fat wont change that I'm fat.

 

[Mumei]

Being fat increases the likelihood of a person having some kind of self-esteem issue/weak will when it comes to food etc etc. It's not a guarantee; let's stop lying and saying it is. Vanity says fatness is weakness. It's usually turmoil. Strength says fat is an obstacle to be overcome. As is usual for GAF, there are a lot of vain posts.

I mean let's cut the bullshit. Is poverty advantageous? Is addiction? Can they be overcome? Are they necessarily a sign of weakness? But going by this thread they're all intentional pursuits of lazy good-for-nothings.

Unfortunately the essay has been taken down from where it was (Rocky Mountain News) but I love this excerpt from something Paul Campos wrote:

"This inspires me to point something out to my more liberal readers. Remember that particularly clueless right-wing acquaintance of yours? The one who believes that anybody in America can become rich, because he thinks about poverty in a completely unscientific, anecdotal way, which allows him to treat the exceptional case as typical? The one who can't seem to understand the simplest structural arguments about the nature of social inequality?

The next time you see some fat people and get disgusted by their failure to "take care of themselves," think about your clueless friend."​

If someone sees themselves described in that... perhaps it is something to consider.

 

[Horseticuffs]

Unfortunately the essay has been taken down from where it was (Rocky Mountain News) but I love this excerpt from something Paul Campos wrote:

"This inspires me to point something out to my more liberal readers. Remember that particularly clueless right-wing acquaintance of yours? The one who believes that anybody in America can become rich, because he thinks about poverty in a completely unscientific, anecdotal way, which allows him to treat the exceptional case as typical? The one who can't seem to understand the simplest structural arguments about the nature of social inequality?

The next time you see some fat people and get disgusted by their failure to "take care of themselves," think about your clueless friend."​

If someone sees themselves described in that... perhaps it is something to consider.

A cause for introspection. Thanks for this.

 

[xelios]

They're people. That's their own personal struggle, it's not my place to judge them for it or make life more difficult for them. I've made fat jokes in my life but that's just a matter of not much being off limits when it comes to humor; I don't harbor any thoughts that negatively impact my relationships with people who are overweight.

 

[Nocebo]

Just think about this: if we could harness the power of creating mass out of thin air we would never run out of resources! I wonder why there seems to be so little interest in doing research on these obese people.

Unfortunately the essay has been taken down from where it was (Rocky Mountain News) but I love this excerpt from something Paul Campos wrote:

"This inspires me to point something out to my more liberal readers. Remember that particularly clueless right-wing acquaintance of yours? The one who believes that anybody in America can become rich, because he thinks about poverty in a completely unscientific, anecdotal way, which allows him to treat the exceptional case as typical? The one who can't seem to understand the simplest structural arguments about the nature of social inequality?

The next time you see some fat people and get disgusted by their failure to "take care of themselves," think about your clueless friend."​

If someone sees themselves described in that... perhaps it is something to consider.

When I see a fat person I am generally more inclined to think about starving Africans for some reason and get very confused. But I guess they're just genetically vastly different or something. I try not to think about it too much or else I might get depressed.

 

[fushi]

Unfortunately the essay has been taken down from where it was (Rocky Mountain News) but I love this excerpt from something Paul Campos wrote:

"This inspires me to point something out to my more liberal readers. Remember that particularly clueless right-wing acquaintance of yours? The one who believes that anybody in America can become rich, because he thinks about poverty in a completely unscientific, anecdotal way, which allows him to treat the exceptional case as typical? The one who can't seem to understand the simplest structural arguments about the nature of social inequality?

The next time you see some fat people and get disgusted by their failure to "take care of themselves," think about your clueless friend."​

If someone sees themselves described in that... perhaps it is something to consider.

Umm, I hope I am not misreading this, but doesn't the above imply that being fat is "typical" and being normal or fit is "exceptional"?

 

[Nocebo]

Umm, I hope I am not misreading this, but doesn't the above imply that being fat is "typical" and being normal or fit is "exceptional"?

Maybe it's implying that people who look down on fat people think that people who are born fat should all strive to be super models and body builders? Alas, if only they had the resources and opportunities to go to Africa and learn from the people there by what means you can be not fat.
I guess the starving Africans are the privileged ones in this analogy? lol