JimmyRustler
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Beware, you'll need 100-200 calories less a day....
Your the huge drop in metabolism happens in your early 20s when you stop growing. After that the changes are minimal.
How Do You Feel About Fat People?
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Your the huge drop in metabolism happens in your early 20s when you stop growing. After that the changes are minimal.
BladeoftheImmortal
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Very very hard. While a dessert isn't as good as sex, think of it like this, you say you'll abstain from sex for a week or two. then a beautiful/handsome somebody walks up and says, "hey, lets go back home and get busy."
How hard would it be to say no?
billy beane
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I'm in the middle of big weight loss myself. Down from 300 to 223 at the moment. I didn't hate myself when I was overweight, in fact quite the opposite, I just decided I wanted to change.
If somebody wants to be fat, let them be fat. This is America.
If somebody wants to be fat, let them be fat. This is America.
Journeywalker
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Fat people make me uncomfortable...when they are sitting next to me in overly-small seats. Of course, so do people that put their seats back on airplanes without warning, crushing my overly-pointy knees.
Fat people annoy me... when they are walking slowly down the middle of a 6-foot sidewalk when they could avoid walk-blocking by favoring one side or the other. Of course, so do slow, wide, inconsiderate groups walking down the sidewalk.
Fat people annoy me... when they are walking slowly down the middle of a 6-foot sidewalk when they could avoid walk-blocking by favoring one side or the other. Of course, so do slow, wide, inconsiderate groups walking down the sidewalk.
This to the 100th power!
Don't worry you make them just as uncomfortable and annoy them just as much.
Lol, no that isn't right. There is a reason most people start carrying a spare tire in the middle ages rather than the 20s. The changes happen closer to 30s than the 20s and your requirements continue to drop until past the 50s. The difference in calorie requirements can be as much as 500 calories for an active person (25yo vs 50yo).
I thought this too. Young guys bragging about how they never gain weight. Wait for it. They get out of high school where they might have been playing more sports and they start getting a beer belly. Metabolism really starts to slow down late 20's. Then they get a sedentary job and suddenly realize they can't eat whatever they want all the time. Just wait until you're 50 when it starts getting harder to be physically active.
Developing bad eating habits starts young, and even if you never seem to get fat, weight control WILL become a factor in your life and you'll need to adjust your lifestyle and eating habits as you age. If you don't, you'll soon learn how difficult weight control can be.
CornBurrito
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Isn't keto that thing where you aren't even allowed to have fucking fruits or veggies? Sounds extremely unhealthy in the long term.
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My problem with the fat acceptance campaign is that it tries to teach people to be comfortable with obesity. To make it seem like a normal thing. To make it not be viewed as a problem that is in dire need of fixing. I think that's a dangerous path for society and cannot endorse its message.
Even if I had weight issues I'd try everything BUT giving up carbs. Not really because of health, lol, but because screw not being able to have a sandwich, rice, fruit, etc.
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You can have fruits and veggies, of course. You may have to limit the amount quite a bit depending on the kind, though.
Either way, keto isn't typically a permanent thing. You do it cyclically to get your body to learn how to use fat as an energy source again. That function is practically broken for many people.
Yep, you have to stay active and maintain your muscle mass as you get older. Most people live extremely inactive lives as they age and that is their fault.
Yeah. When I started my diet/exercise journey a couple years ago, this was big for me as well.
It just took time. I found that if I ate a decent sized breakfast, I had a lot less issues with food the rest of the day. My typical breakfast is a 6 oz. cup of greek yogurt, a banana, and Egg McMuffin type sandwich.
Then I'd eat a fairly small lunch and dinner. A month or two of that, and my stomach/brain just adjusted to the new way of eating, and I found myself a lot less food obsessed. When I tried to eat a giant fatty meal like a big ass burrito, I felt incredibly sick and eventually stopped desiring such a large amount of food.
Because really, it's not that those big ass burritos were poison. It was the AMOUNT of food that was a) turning and keeping me fat, and b) keeping my stomach/brain craving giant portions of food.
I've been actively battling to lose weight for two years now, and the above is the most important part. Yes, I took up running, but end-game it doesn't mean jack if I don't control what and when I eat.
The beginning was pretty tough, and I would have to eat another banana or so mid morning, and granola bar or similar in the afternoon. I'm at the point now where I don't need snacks.
Diets don't work. Ketosis doesn't work. Low carb doesn't work. Insane amounts of cardio doesn't work. This is because THEY ARE NOT SUSTAINABLE LONG TERM. That took me a very, very long time to figure out. Sure, I'd heard it from various sources, but until I experienced it myself, I never got the "light bulb" moment I needed.
To everyone still fighting the good fight, good luck.
Freezie KO
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This is very true. In college, I never got a six-pack, but I was happy with my four-pack. Now with a job where I surf GAF all day, I eat less than I did then and struggle to kick the last 15 pounds.
BibiMaghoo
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I think they are lucky, unless they are unhealthy with it, in which case they are simply unhealthy people.
As a man of 29, at 6'3'', who can eat anything in huge quantities, and never put on any weight, I kind of envy a metabolism that cannot consume a star and still be grumbling.
I also have issue with the fact that pretty much everything you can buy ready made is now 'low fat' , 'low sugar' and the likes.
I NEED that fat and sugar mother fuckers.
As a man of 29, at 6'3'', who can eat anything in huge quantities, and never put on any weight, I kind of envy a metabolism that cannot consume a star and still be grumbling.
I also have issue with the fact that pretty much everything you can buy ready made is now 'low fat' , 'low sugar' and the likes.
I NEED that fat and sugar mother fuckers.
I disagree, there are those who try and make others feel comfortable about themselves and to help with self-esteem. I have never come across a person who went up to someone fat and said, "OMG, it's so wonderful that you're fat, you must be so proud. How do I become fat and obese like you?" Even if that has happened it is not the norm. Accepting a person as person, even if they're fat, is not the same thing as giving some kind of invisble blessing on everything they do. It can be about trying to include everyone and not shun people because they are not the healthiest people in the world.
JimmyRustler
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Any prove for this claim? I think not.
The reason people start to carry a spare tire is because they settle down, are less active and get a family and with that lazy most of the time - not because their metabolism slows down.
Pretty well documented, and no it has nothing to do with being lazy and less active.
http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/public/heart/obesity/wecan/downloads/calreqtips.pdf
Yeah, it hit me at age 30. I had the exact same diet and activity level throughout my military career, but started gaining weight at age 30. I had to cut back on calories.
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JimmyRustler
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Women have the same metabolism from 14-50? List looks legit.
You'd be better off not trying to find any excuses. Just saying.
My snarky answer for him was wait till you hit the mid 30s. I'm incredibly active, and have to be fairly controlled with my diet to keep my weight down. I used to be sedentary, had a crappy diet, drank way too much alcohol and was considerably thinner. Started to happen around 35 or so.
Have any evidence to the contrary? Or do you just do personal attacks? Lol, I don't have any appreciable amount of body fat.
JimmyRustler
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Just look at all the people and what they do and do not do once they get older. That should be prove enough. I will not bother trying to find a study or something as a prove as you can find a study for everything on the internet.
I have yet to see an older person who is as active as in his 20s and has troubles holding his weight. Usually people just cut down to activity to a minimum but do not adapt the nutrition and then suddenly go in shock when they gain weight. Well, no shit.
Your metabolism does drop a little bit when you get older but it certainly is not as sever as you make it out to be. SHould be no more than 200 calories - and that is a cup of 250g cottage cheese.... If you eat this or not does not make a huge difference I think.
Oh, and don't you misunderstand me. I'll be 27 next month and I have a very slow metabolism already. From September to January last year I gained almost 20 kg when I was bulking up. So I do know quite a bit about that topic.
You are talking out of your ass.
More anecdotes, more talking out of your ass. Calorie tables vary, but I don't know of any that say your calorie needs don't decrease with age. For your anecdote, I just said that I have to be careful to maintain my weight now, and I average ~8 hours of exercise a week. I don't think you know very many masters athletes.
And you know more than nutritionists, health organizations, and coaches.
No, you apparently don't know very much about the topic. If you think things have changed for you now, talk to me in 15 years.
500 calories a day, which equates to around a pound a week. If you are having one of those every day, then yes it is easy.
HalfBakedProphet
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this was the whole point I was trying to make so...we're in agreement, basically.
The fatter someone is, the worse I feel for them. Whether it's due to poor habits and a complete lack of taking care of yourself, or for medical reason, I can't help but wish they could find a way to get healthier, either through themselves, or medically.
I have an aunt who has been obese since I was a kid. A year or so ago she had surgery (and will be having more to get rid of extra skin) and she is now much healthier. I don't know all her health issues (she's fought depression her whole life), but she has always led a very lazy, unhealthy lifestyle. Its sad for me because she would be so much happier if she would just put a little effort into making her self healthy but she doesn't. And even now after surgery, her habits and life style remain mostly the same.
I have an aunt who has been obese since I was a kid. A year or so ago she had surgery (and will be having more to get rid of extra skin) and she is now much healthier. I don't know all her health issues (she's fought depression her whole life), but she has always led a very lazy, unhealthy lifestyle. Its sad for me because she would be so much happier if she would just put a little effort into making her self healthy but she doesn't. And even now after surgery, her habits and life style remain mostly the same.
BeekleMatter
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If they're happy being fat then I don't care. But people who are angry and sad people because of their weight and do nothing about it... I can't stand.
Cotton McKnight
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To all of you fat bashers out there. When you want to say something, as a bully, or a self proclaimed hero/tough love giver, I may be there to remind you that it is none of your damn business. I am fat, not the happiest about it, but I am happy with my life. My Mom will say things to me about being fat, my response, "Thanks Mom you are right, you are fat, you were fat and you continue to be fat, even if you were skinny it is none of your damn business." She does not say much after that.
Now I am the kind of guy that people want to talk to, because I look everyone in the eye and they feel comfortable. I have had a couple friends and strangers that tried to say something to me, and I just shot them down with something about them they did not like or did not want brought up. This was not always the case, the first time I got bashed after getting fat was from a young lady who was a co-worker who did not like me calling her out on dumping her work on me. Well her response was ignored by everyone and I had a "coaching" on how to be a better communicator. Ever since then I have told people I will not tolerate them talking to me like that. Some have fought me, but most have decided I am going to force respect from them, no one should have to be bullied, ridiculed, picked on etc.
You gaffers (you know that ones, yeah this is directed at you), none of you, no one, I mean literally none of you, have any right to bag on someone else, regardless of what you think of yourself. But you do, because this is the internet and you guys can never be wrong. Just know there are others out there like me that won't put up with your BS in a person to person place, but here your thoughts and feelings are allowed to be as asinine as possible.
On a side note I have really enjoyed the responses from both sides of this conversation.
Now I am the kind of guy that people want to talk to, because I look everyone in the eye and they feel comfortable. I have had a couple friends and strangers that tried to say something to me, and I just shot them down with something about them they did not like or did not want brought up. This was not always the case, the first time I got bashed after getting fat was from a young lady who was a co-worker who did not like me calling her out on dumping her work on me. Well her response was ignored by everyone and I had a "coaching" on how to be a better communicator. Ever since then I have told people I will not tolerate them talking to me like that. Some have fought me, but most have decided I am going to force respect from them, no one should have to be bullied, ridiculed, picked on etc.
You gaffers (you know that ones, yeah this is directed at you), none of you, no one, I mean literally none of you, have any right to bag on someone else, regardless of what you think of yourself. But you do, because this is the internet and you guys can never be wrong. Just know there are others out there like me that won't put up with your BS in a person to person place, but here your thoughts and feelings are allowed to be as asinine as possible.
On a side note I have really enjoyed the responses from both sides of this conversation.
IHaveCandy
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Half of what you are saying sounds like it is a response to bullies, and the other half sounds like people simply trying to express their concern of your weight gain. Do you really tell your mother it is none of her business that you are fat?
Lord Ghirahim
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IHaveCandy
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Just relate obesity as a health issue. Ignore the social aspect of it. It's a health issue that shouldn't be ignored.
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Ergh... rage. "Not so much changing who we are, but changing society." No!
HalfBakedProphet
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...I'm really conflicted with this video. Self acceptance is really important but idk. Human beings didn't evolve to carry around that much weight, it causes so many issues.
I think this quote was pretty telling (I'm paraphrasing)
RumblingRosco
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I have nothing against overly fat people, but I liken it to alcoholics, smokers, and drug abusers; people that 1) lack self control 2) are addicted and/or 3) don't give a shit about themselves/others. It could be any combination of those three. I feel bad for most fat people, the same way I feel bad for an alcoholic or a smoker. I generally make the assumption that they are unable to control their addiction/condition, because they lack the education, motivation, resources, and/or ability to do so.
I don't find fat people disgusting, annoying, or less of a human.
I don't find fat people disgusting, annoying, or less of a human.
SneakyStephan
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I'm nearing 30 now and it has become way easier to gain weight since I stopped growing and then stopped exercising.
Yet I weigh 70 kilos at 172cm... (145 pounds for you 'mericuns)
I eat well (proper breakfast, proper lunch, proper dinner, a snack after dinner now and then), I don't go hungry, but I also eat human sized portions not American/pig sized portions and I don't eat a bag of chips every few days (or every day like many obese people do).
Fat people are a small minority over here, I guess we all have superior genes or something to those poor sickly slow metabolism people who stuff their plates with large amounts of pigslop spaghetti/hamburgers/fries/pizza and whatnot.
The way I see people ITT treat 'dieting' (over here it's called a regular eating pattern) like it's some kind of arduous task and a punishment makes me imagine a bunch of fat little preteens who are mad because their parents make them eat that awful broccoli and won't let them eat that bag of candy an hour and a half before dinner time.
It shows a clear lack of discipline, common sense, responsibility (you are wrecking your own body and will have the heart of a 70 year old when you are 50) and self respect.
Usually you suggest substituting soda with water (that alone is about 500-1000 calories a day less) and eating some more vegetables instead of carbs, but then they go EW salad and EW water.
It's like some parody on that idiocracy movie and that Ricky Gervais skit.
Kai Dracon
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The fat acceptance movement seems to have sprung at least partially out of worse-than-useless social stigmatizing and harassment of overweight people. A lot of the movement seems overly - but understandably - focused on the self-acceptance angle.
Problem is there really is a whole lot of "you're fat, and that makes you a SUB-HUMAN BEAST" - especially directed at women - out there, leading to a vicious cycle.
It also does not help that America's bulging waistline decades have coincided with traditional standards of "healthy" appearance entering the photoshop era of modern marketing. To some people today, "healthy" means looking like a model and a man who doesn't have a sixpack is a "fattie".
I'd be willing to bet it would go over better with everyone if the movement was even more focused on educating all people about the dangers of our increasingly isolated, sedentary lifestyle. Tell overweight people one should care about improving how you feel, not trying to appease idiots obsessed with judging everyone's appearance, who are so ignorant they're manipulated by an artificial standard of beauty.
In my time I have known a few significantly overweight people who were too discouraged to do even simple things like go for walks and drink water. The idea is entrenched that being more healthy = striving towards becoming a body builder or going on fad diets and the prospect of such torture is just more discouragement.
Problem is there really is a whole lot of "you're fat, and that makes you a SUB-HUMAN BEAST" - especially directed at women - out there, leading to a vicious cycle.
It also does not help that America's bulging waistline decades have coincided with traditional standards of "healthy" appearance entering the photoshop era of modern marketing. To some people today, "healthy" means looking like a model and a man who doesn't have a sixpack is a "fattie".
I'd be willing to bet it would go over better with everyone if the movement was even more focused on educating all people about the dangers of our increasingly isolated, sedentary lifestyle. Tell overweight people one should care about improving how you feel, not trying to appease idiots obsessed with judging everyone's appearance, who are so ignorant they're manipulated by an artificial standard of beauty.
In my time I have known a few significantly overweight people who were too discouraged to do even simple things like go for walks and drink water. The idea is entrenched that being more healthy = striving towards becoming a body builder or going on fad diets and the prospect of such torture is just more discouragement.
Anecdotal nonsense right here. This is my biggest problem with some of the comments I see in this thread. Fat people at a bag of chips every day and drink soda instead of water. Also say ew salad. Where is the proof of this?
Angry Fork
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Don't care from any moral/social standpoint except in crowded places, then I get annoyed at them taking up multiple spots or hearing them wheezing loudly and sweating profusely by just standing.
Do care about how much they cost for healthcare, and if half the population is obese and dying from heart disease/diabetes I imagine it's a big deal.
If they weren't doing that they wouldn't be fat. The amount that are due to some medical condition are in single percentages. Everyone else just is eating too many calories that they aren't burning.
Do care about how much they cost for healthcare, and if half the population is obese and dying from heart disease/diabetes I imagine it's a big deal.
If they weren't doing that they wouldn't be fat. The amount that are due to some medical condition are in single percentages. Everyone else just is eating too many calories that they aren't burning.
That was....difficult to watch.
Sounds like you're being a bit overly hostile towards your mother. Especially when she's likely just concerned about your weight for your own health.
I don't think it's really anecdotal nonsense. In fact, there's plenty of studies and data to suggest that fats have poor diets. It's common sense really. Eat too much - aren't active enough = overweight/obese.
I'm overweight. My standard food commonly consists of salad 2 times a day(lunch and dinner). TBSP of olive oil and vinegar. I don't buy chips. Also haven't had a single non-diet soda in about 5 years. All those comments are anectdotal. It's better to not place people in boxes. I know it makes the arguments against them easier.
Here is this fat person's standard bi-weekly grocery run(a lot of this stuff lasts longer than 2 weeks)
Cut out the anectdotal nonsense please.
Enter The 36 Chambers
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Trade out diet soda for water. Regardless of weight loss your long term health and teeth will thank you. I swapped all soda out for water last year and never looked back.
I drink about 80 ounces of water a day. I'm saying if I were to have a soda it would be diet. I don't purchase sodas when I go to the grocery store. However, if I do have one which is rare it would be a diet soda.
There are some fat people who don't care about their weight. There are some fat people who revel in it. There are some people that engorge themselves in food. There are some fat people who don't care to change. There are some fat people who never work out. Not all fat people fit this bill. Before you start lumping everyone into that box you should really think about your word choice.
You have the right to dislike fat people. However, your assumptions are not valid for everyone.
You have the right to dislike fat people. However, your assumptions are not valid for everyone.
Enter The 36 Chambers
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I was a big soda drinker all my life, switched over to water and feel ten times better because of it. Your post made it seem like you were the same, my bad just trying to be helpful homie.
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