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How many credit cards is too many?

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I have an old credit card from my credit union with a $200 limit that I don't even use, Chase Amazon Card which I use for basically all purchases, a Kohl's credit card which I've used maybe once, and a Target Red card that I use once or twice a month.

I do fine. I'd like to just cancel the Kohl's card and my credit unions's card but apparently you shouldn't.

I dunno, credit is stupid.
 
I closed my oldest account a year or two ago because it had an annual fee that I couldn't get rid of/convert into a fee-less card. I took a hit, but quickly recovered.

Not that this is bad advice. A lot of people probably don't realize closing an account will negatively impact your credit score, even if only temporarily. They should probably teach these things in school. I've had many college-educated friends who are confused about/fearful of credit cards. It's weird.

Yeah, having an annual fee would definitely fall under the "unless you have to " bucket. Really unless you are well off you should not be paying an annual fee. The annual fee cards with real perks are designed for frequent spenders.
 

Lee

Member
I think I'm sitting at 15+ right now. I open new cards when they have good bonuses for reaching minimum spend (spend $3k in first 3 months and get $500 back, those kinds of offers), use them enough to get the bonus (either spending the money or google "manufactured spending" if you don't spend that much) and then either don't use them again after that or close them if there is an annual fee. I've never paid a dime of interest to a credit card company over the last 10 years or so across probably 40 cards, and have probably made $5k at least in bonuses. My credit score is fine and again we had no issues with car loans or mortgage rates or anything. Just my two cents.

I have about 20 cards with depth on only on two. Reason I have so many is because of sign up incentives like "get $200 Cashback after spending $500". I ended up saving a ton on my non-essential items like my 3D TV, consoles, etc. And I still have a credit score over 800.

Same story here. It's a good way to make free money as long as you're responsible and make sure to pay your statement balance every month.
 
I have an old credit card from my credit union with a $200 limit that I don't even use, Chase Amazon Card which I use for basically all purchases, a Kohl's credit card which I've used maybe once, and a Target Red card that I use once or twice a month.

I do fine. I'd like to just cancel the Kohl's card and my credit unions's card but apparently you shouldn't.

I dunno, credit is stupid.

How?
 
This must be an American thing, I've never had or needed a credit card. I've had the same VISA/Debit card my bank gave me 14+ years ago, they just send me a new one when the old one expires.

I can assure you that credit exists in other countries. The credit score is an American thing however.
 

catbird

Neo Member
Hm, I have 8 cards. I used one with a 0% interest for 16 months to finance an expensive house project. At the end of the 0% interest period, I transferred it to a card with a balance transfer offer (transfer fee wasn't excessive) and 0% interest for 12 months. I had to do this one more time to another card before the project was fully paid.

This is probably not "good practice" but it worked out quite well for me.

-1 card I opened to establish credit and have never used since I was able to buy my house
-1 card is for amazon points
-1 card is for airline miles
-2 store cards
 

Aeana

Member
I've always maintained two cards. One for regular use, with a good rewards program attached, and the other with a much larger credit limit and lower interest rate that I don't use unless I have a massive emergency. Only ever had to use it once, but it's nice to have the peace of mind.
 

Stat Flow

He gonna cry in the car
If you're responsible...it doesn't really matter. The only thing that will be negatively affected is the part of your credit score that's based on the length of open accounts.

Otherwise, there's no downside. I have 6. Amazon Visa for Amazon Purchases, Discover & Credit Union cards that I had when I turned 18 and is my longest standing account, Citi Double Cash Back for everyday stuff, Target Red Card for that constant 5% off, Amazon Store Card if I want to do 0% financing for big purchases on Amazon.
 
And this is where I'm at. I collect a ton of cash back and pay zero interest.

But everyone always says don't have too many credit cards. As long as you're paying them off, though, I don't see why it matters. I just wanted to make sure I'm not missing something.

Just make sure to keep an eye on them to make sure you don't miss any payments (my bank allows credit card and investment accounts to be added to their website which makes this easy, I think Mint offers a similar service).

Also, use each card at least once a year to avoid it getting canceled on you.

As long as you don't buy anything you couldn't buy with cash in your bank account, you'll be fine.
 
I have three, but predominately use only one of them. I use one for smaller incidental purchases and the main card for big purchases. I also have an Amazon credit card that I keep open for when I want to make bigger purchases and get Amazon credit back.
 

Woffls

Member
As many as you can remember to pay off each month, I guess. I have two, and that's only because a lot of places in the UK don't take Amex.
 
Just make sure to keep an eye on them to make sure you don't miss any payments (my bank allows credit card and investment accounts to be added to their website which makes this easy, I think Mint offers a similar service).

Also, use each card at least once a year to avoid it getting canceled on you.

As long as you don't buy anything you couldn't buy with cash in your bank account, you'll be fine.

There is no reason that anyone responsibility using credit cards shouldn't have automatic payments enabled. If you do that missing a payment is impossible.
 

cwmartin

Member
Well you are penalized every time you open a card because they pull your credit report and thats a ding. The reality is having a ton of credit cards would be a red flag to any decent lender. It won't mathematically lower your score but there is more to it than that. Another thing to consider is annual fees. Chances are if you have 20 credit cards a couple will have annual fees and you are wasting money.


This, in reality, is not true. If the accounts are in good standing, it actually is a really good sign to lenders that other lenders find you credit-worthy, and your accounts are all in good standing proving your a responsible debtor.

Granted you aren't significantly leveraged on your consumer CCs. Mortgages, Auto Loans, and Student loans don't factor to heavily into your leverage evaluation.
 

Vanillalite

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I've always maintained two cards. One for regular use, with a good rewards program attached, and the other with a much larger credit limit and lower interest rate that I don't use unless I have a massive emergency. Only ever had to use it once, but it's nice to have the peace of mind.

This is how I roll. Use my general cash back card for everything, and then I have a 2nd card for emergency purposes.

PS: That being said the other half does have two store cards we use beyond the regular and backup cards I roll with.
 
Credit Cards & Finances |OT| Rewards, Cash Back, APR, & More!

is a great resource for this

I currently have 5 credit cards and it doesn't bother me

• Chase AARP for 3% back at Restaurants and Gas (unlimited)
• AMEX Blue Everyday 5% back at grocery stores up to $5,000 a quarter
• Barclays Card attached to my parents account (never used but until they ask for me to cancel the balance improves my credit score due to a low overall utilization)
• MECU card no benefits but credit union card I've had forever that's probably my oldest tradeline
• Barclays Cashforward 1.5% back everywhere but rarely used after $200 back was received

The risks with having more cards are mostly identity theft concerns and possible self-control issues.

Sounds like only the former might be an issue and while a valid concern most card services now allow for texts/emails on any kind of purchase so less used cards can have easy warning systems.

I actually have 2 cards that I no longer use but one I've had almost 10 years [26 right now] and is my oldest trade line so even though it does jack all for me I keep it and put something small on it every 3 months or so to keep it open [also with a credit union so likely not going to close it as fast as a big bank would without consistent use]

I'd go for a 5th card personally and just set up alerts on all your cards, use solid passwords and where possible 2FA
 
This, in reality, is not true. If the accounts are in good standing, it actually is a really good sign to lenders that other lenders find you credit-worthy, and your accounts are all in good standing proving your a responsible debtor.

From my experience working in that sector, if you had 10+ credit cards, even if they were in good standing you'd be looked at negatively.
 

jstevenson

Sailor Stevenson
I can't tell if people in this thread are misinformed or just adamant about their preferences?

You're absolutely fine having several well managed cards. It's often Beneficial as it increases your overall credit line. You also shouldn't close accounts in the USA, as it hurts the average age of your credit lines and also drops your total eligible credit and ups your credit usage ratio.

This isn't necessarily true.

If you have multiple accounts with that credit card provider you can move the credit usually. Chase is good for this. That way you are canceling the account but keeping all of the credit limit.

If the account is a younger account, it may actually improve your account age.

Obviously never cancel your oldest and longest running credit cards. But ones you've had for just a year or two due to a sign up bonus or whatever? Sure.

And having lots of cards (no annual fee) is fine if you aren't carrying balances and such.
 
Well, having diversity in credit helps your score over time, but you don't want to go out and apply for 5 right away. I'd say one main card, then get a few specialized cards like an amazon one, best buy one, gas one, etc. Just don't run them all up. Always have a plan in place when you will pay off a certain thing. Best case is to pay it off each month, no exceptions unless its a big purchase that you are doing no financing for 6 months, for example.
 

cwmartin

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From my experience working in that sector, if you had 10+ credit cards, even if they were in good standing you'd be looked at negatively.

I agree with you, there probably is some event horizon with the total number of cards. I'm also assuming you wouldn't be too leveraged, even if in good standing. I think you're generally right.
 

LiK

Member
I have 3. There's always that one store or restaurant who won't accept a certain card for whatever reason.
 

RMI

Banned
Five cards? Jesus.

I think my max has always been two.

I probably have that many

One for gas and groceries
One for phone bills and electronics
One airline card
One for miscellaneous purchases
One Amazon card

Different cards give different rewards and I monitor the activity on them closely, carry no balance, and have great credit.

Have as many as makes sense for you as long as you use them appropriately. There's no reason for arbitrary limits.
 

Reckheim

Member
I have 2 and will be cancelling one soon. Having more than 1 or 2 is in my opinion not good.

There is a reason credit card have credit limits.
 

styl3s

Member
I had 3 about 7-8 years ago and found that way too many but i was on a mission to completely rebuild my credit.

I have 2 now and still find it too many because i rarely use them and i don't spend money i don't have. Using them for groceries, gas etc. is pointless to me because i already rebuilt my credit and i would rather just use my debit and not have to spend extra time during the beginning of the month to have to deal with credit card companies along with all my other bills.
 

wutwutwut

Member
We have like 8 accounts between the two of us.

Never paid a cent in interest. Gotten at least 6-7k in perks and cash back over the years. It'll do.
 

Lee

Member
It won't mathematically lower your score but there is more to it than that.

Do you mean the lender will just have a personal bias against this or otherwise make a note on the application? Or what impact is it having? Just curious. Definitely had more then 10 open cards when we got our mortgage a few years ago and still a great rate. Also bought a car with a loan through Chase while having more than 10 cards and had no issues with the loan or the rate.

Not saying my experience cancels out yours at all, just curious for the future.
 

RMI

Banned
We have like 8 accounts between the two of us.

Never paid a cent in interest. Gotten at least 6-7k in perks and cash back over the years. It'll do.

Yeah the cash back is the main thing. I am getting at minimum 1.5% and at best 6% back on purchases depending on the card and the vendor. It's free money.
 

wutwutwut

Member
Credit card churning and perk exploitation is basically extreme couponing for the middle to upper middle class. That Chase Sapphire Reserve offer recently was ridiculous.
 
I live my life according to the philosophy of Walter Cavanagh. Dude holds the record for most credit cards with 1497 of them totalling $1.7 million in credit.

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Vixdean

Member
God, without even counting retail lines of credit, I probably have at least 10. Probably about four I use on a regular basis based on what I'm buying, others I've opened over the years to take advantage of sign up bonuses or intro APR offers for big purchases/balance transfers. As long as you never miss a payment and don't pile up a ton of interest, it doesn't really matter. It actually helps to have a giant combined line of credit (i think mine is nearing 200k) because even relatively large balances won't ding your score at all.
 

Falchion

Member
I just got my first one last week, the Capital One Venture card, and I really don't want to deal with any more. I'd rather just have one card that rewards me for anything I spend it on and then have my debit card as a backup.
 

thelatestmodel

Junior, please.
Two. I think having two is too many.

You need one to get you out of a bind in an emergency, and that's it. I would maybe make an exception to this if you wanted a Visa and a Mastercard in case somewhere doesn't take one or the other.
 

entremet

Member
I'd figure this is a good thread to ask, what are some good reward cards? I have a Chase Freedom.

Could I do better?
 
I'd also like to mention is safer and easier to deal with CC company vs your bank's debit card if your card number gets stolen. The process with your bank is much longer than with a CC company.
 
aah the monthly e-penis credit card / credit score thread.

Like everything, it depends and it depends on how you use it. I've probably got... 6 or 7 credit cards or rolling credit lines under my name, 2 more for my business, but realistically, I only have 1 credit card that I actively use... A rewards card.

I don't normally close old accounts. In the 15 years of getting lines of credit, I've closed 2... both of them were cases where I'd rather the card gone and the peace of mind than the minute bump it would give to my credit to keep it open.

OP, to your question, you don't want to have X many cards, but you read it's good for old lines of credit. You are right. It's good to keep old credit lines open and to have a relatively small usage of your lines of credit... This is good for your credit score. But don't put your credit score over everything. In so many credit threads, people will flash their credit score e-penis... "I have an 812!" "Oh, that's cool, I have an 831!" First, it's probably wrong (PSA: You're getting your credit score from a company that is selling you something or selling you to someone) or they're lying for some reason. But second and most importantly your credit score is almost always meaningless.

The obsession with credit score is a marketing scam started in the 1990s with "FreeCreditReport.com" and the million other sites/services that popped up that have you pay $20/mo to get an arbitrary number. Now a days, sites like CreditKarma or the billion others aren't as scammy as FreeCreditReport.com was, but they're all operating on the same business plan: Let's make you worry about your credit score and then make you proud of your credit score for us to make money. CreditKarma, and the others, make money off of selling anxiety. They make you anxious that your credit score is bad or not good enough or you could improve it, and then they either sell the service directly to you, or they mine your personal information and sell that to advertisers. Even if your bank or credit card gives you a free credit score a month, remember, they're not doing that out of the goodness of their hearts, they're providing you that because they want to keep you as a customer and use credit score anxiety as one of the hooks.

If you have "good credit" and you're applying for a mortgage, the difference between 792 and 801 is not going to make a difference in your mortgage APR... you're already going to get virtually the lowest that the bank will give any customer based on your credit history. If you're applying for a mortgage and some bank decides to give you a shitty APR because you cancelled a credit card then they're a shitty, scam-artist bank, and you should go elsewhere. By and large, lenders don't do that. Maybe the used auto lot down the street selling lemons tries to do that, but legitimate lenders do not.

So the true answer is this:

Do you get more peace of mind from closing an old, bad credit card, or do you get more peace of mind from having an arbitrary e-penis number?

Some people may get more peace of mind from the e-penis number. They're not getting a car, they're not buying a house, they're not making any credit-worthy decisions for years, but knowing that in December 2016 their e-penis number was 792 makes them feel good about themselves. And that's totally legitimate. If an arbitrary, meaningless, marketing scam number makes you feel good about yourself or makes you happy, then that's a legitimate reason to keep old credit cards open.

But if keeping an old, bad, highAPR credit line open makes you feel anxiety, unless you are applying for a line of credit (mortgage, house, another CC) tomorrow, then fuck it, cancel the old cards, the infitessimal drop in your e-penis number is not going to have any tangible affect on your life, while the peace of mind to be able to sleep at night will be worth a lot more.

For me, I kept the old cards open (except 2 of them) because having old cards doesn't give me anxiety, and so the fake number that scam companies are using to scam me is worth more to me than the non-existent anxiety I get from having open lines of credit. However, I did close two of those cards. One of them was a store card I got when I bought my first set of suits outside of college. It gave me ~20% off or something, and the APR was ridiculous and horrible after the introductory period. When I paid those suits off, I cancelled the card. I knew I never wanted to use it again and the peace of mind of canceling that card gave me more joy than the arbitrary e-penis number. The other card I cancelled was one of my oldest lines of credit, but it's one that I rang up a large amount of debt on just after college... I got a lot of debt on that card, and when I paid it off, it was cathartic for me to call the CC company and cancel the card. Cutting that card up and putting it behind me was an emotionally positive experience, so I got more from cancelling that card than from the arbitrary bump or drop in a meaningless number. Now a days, 10+ years later, I don't have credit card anxiety, so I leave my lines of credit open.
 

Lee

Member
Credit card churning and perk exploitation is basically extreme couponing for the middle to upper middle class. That Chase Sapphire Reserve offer recently was ridiculous.

It really is. I never jumped headfirst to the point of keeping spreadsheets and doing research, but it's pretty crazy how much money you can make just by opening a few good cards each year. It's also super embarrassing to talk about for some reason. I tried to explain it my brother-in-law who could use some extra money but I felt like a scam artist the whole time and he wasn't getting it.
 

kswiston

Member
I have three. I almost exclusively use one of them, but it's nice to have a backup in case I need to pay for something large (my bank puts limits on daily debit amounts for "security". I don't think I can debit more than $2k even if I have $100k in there), or I can't use a particular brand for whatever reason. I have been using my main card for 8-9 years now, but it's got a fairly low limit ($2500).
 

DBT85

Member
I have 5. There is nothing wrong with them if you aren't a fool.

1 is my regular use one that gets cleared every month, the other 4 were all 0% purchase or 0% balance transfers for work we did on the house. I have the money sitting in my accounts to pay it off but 70% of that money is earning me £600 a year in Zopa interest, when the deals for the cards cost me less than that as a one off payment.

2 of them were 0% on balance transfers for 37 and 32 months respectively.
 

Hoo-doo

Banned
What about your credit score? Have you ever gotten something that required inquiry to that, or have you built it up in different ways?

Our what now? Does this concept even exist outside of the US?

I've personally never had a CC. I'm 27 and from the Netherlands, it's really not as much as a thing over here, and I barely understand the need for a CC let alone the dumb napkin math people are performing over some arbitrary credit score.
 
Do you mean the lender will just have a personal bias against this or otherwise make a note on the application? Or what impact is it having? Just curious. Definitely had more then 10 open cards when we got our mortgage a few years ago and still a great rate. Also bought a car with a loan through Chase while having more than 10 cards and had no issues with the loan or the rate.

Not saying my experience cancels out yours at all, just curious for the future.

I wouldn't call it personal bias, its just 1 of many factors they look at when considering your loan application (along with household income, employment history,etc). 1 red flag isn't going to do you in but it will lead to heightened scrutiny on other factors.
 
I'd figure this is a good thread to ask, what are some good reward cards? I have a Chase Freedom.

Could I do better?

I'd look into the Discover IT. Works like the Chase with the 5% rotating categories, but they usually different from the Chase so you can avoid overlap. All rewards earned in the first year are doubled too.

Citi double cash back is the best for everyday purchases since it's 2% on everything.

After that you're next card should depend on what you usually spend money on in a month (groceries, gas, restaurants, specific store, etc.).
 

entremet

Member
Why does cancelling a card reduce your credit score? I don't get it.

Less credit available credit. FICO is determined somewhat by total amount of credit you have at your disposal.

That's why you should have the highest limit you can get.
 

Allforce

Member
So, I kind of expected these sort of responses, but nothing I've seen actually says you're penalized for having a variety of cards. Just that you can't close them once they're opened.

Which seems backwards, but those seem to be the rules

I've never taken a hit on closing a card. I've had 3 cards in my life and 2 were closed. 1 most recently was closed by Chase themselves with a notification from them because I hadn't used it in so long. I didn't care.

Just for "e-peen" my last credit score check was 813, beat my wife's score by 1 and boy was she pissed. Got a mortgage and car payment as well.

I don't know how any of this shit works, I just don't spend what I don't have.
 

Meier

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I have 2. One Visa and one AMEX. I don't really see any need for more unless you're really trying to float a lot of expenditures -- I just use it for protection and benefits.
 
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