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How Stannis Baratheon (and Davos Seaworth) Made Me a Better Man

Husky

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Five. Five brilliant seasons. Why did they have to fuck it up.

Stannis Baratheon, Stannis the Mannis, had a profound effect not me, not for his philosophy or his demeanor, but for his grammar. I honestly think of him all the time, any time I see others misuse "less" as I used to. I just wish more people could have learned from him.
 
Ionian

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niilokin said:
davos was such a cool dude
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I seem to remember him being sent on a mission to recruit people for Stannis in the book 'A Feast for Crows'. Honestly can't remember him turning up again in 'A Dance of Dragons' apart from the epilogue.Also the actor Liam Cunningham was definitely a highlight in the show.
 
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DKehoe

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Ionian said:
I seem to remember him being sent on a mission to recruit people for Stannis in the book 'A Feast for Crows'. Honestly can't remember him turning up again in 'A Dance of Dragons' apart from the epilogue.Also the actor Liam Cunningham was definitely a highlight in the show.
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You don't remember
"The North remembers"
bit? That was great.
 
Werewolf Jones

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GymWolf said:
It was absolutely in character, the guy was obsessed with the throne, nothing was "going too far" for him, you love to hate him during that part.
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Not that I'm invested in GoT but nah I don't think so. Entire show was dogshit from S5 onward.

"Give me 20 good men." Fuck off Ramsey.
 
Ionian

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DKehoe said:
You don't remember
"The North remembers"
bit? That was great.
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Oh hell yeah, that's right up their with the massacre by the Frey and Catelyns' sacrifice, not spoilary really as it's such a pivotal scene That is later explored when Bran see's her in his 'Green Dreams' And her throat is slit, She looks more like a zombie every scene. Remember the scene where Bran is about to fall off the tree and she appears? I thought it was nicely done that only a book reader could get the reference.
 
GymWolf

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Werewolf Jones said:
Not that I'm invested in GoT but nah I don't think so. Entire show was dogshit from S5 onward.

"Give me 20 good men." Fuck off Ramsey.
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that part was stupid yeah, but him sacrificing his daughter was ok.

And yeah people says that season 7 was the decline, but after season 4 the show had a big slowdown in quality.
 
AJUMP23

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GymWolf said:
It was absolutely in character, the guy was obsessed with the throne, nothing was "going too far" for him, you love to hate him during that part.
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Out of character is the wrong choice, displaying his real character.
 
GymWolf

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AJUMP23 said:
Out of character is the wrong choice, displaying his real character.
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But he already showed his real character during the assault in second season during this scene



That "thousands" and his face expression is worth thousands of words (pun intended)
 
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Ionian

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GymWolf said:
that part was stupid yeah, but him sacrificing his daughter was ok.

And yeah people says that season 7 was the decline, but after season 4 the show had a big slowdown in quality.
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That does kinda tie-in.

First 3 books, incredible. Afterwards, it's just a mess. Shireen was done horribly and a monstrous end.
 
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Stannis and his daughter are still alive in the books, the show had gone beyond them chronologically when they came to their end. So there’s a lot of confusion on how they get there in the books, because it does seem somewhat out of character, or just not set up appropriately (which…pretty much none of the key plot elements were in the last few seasons)
 
PrimetimeKnight

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All hail Stannis the one true king of Westeros. I still proudly fly this banner on my computer room wall.


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Ionian

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GymWolf said:
that fucking read\readed always fool me.
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Ah that's something even native English speakers mess up. It's mostly used for academics for documents funnily enough. It's an easy mistake to make and your English is close to perfect considering it's a second language.

Another one is 'monies', always laugh at that. It's correct but sounds stupid. The 'monies that I loaned you'. It's bank talk so used outside of that sounds ridiculous.
 
PrimetimeKnight

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bitbydeath said:
Don’t forget he also had his brother Renly killed for the throne.
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He tried to get Renly to listen to reason and not pursue the Iron Throne. At that point it was all out war for the throne when Renly didn't back down. I always scratched my head at why Renly thought he had any claim on the throne. I didn't read the books but all I remember from the show was that Renly didn't think Stannis would be as good of a king as Renly? With Stannis being the older brother though the rules of succession should've been pretty clear but maybe Renly thought with support of House Tyrell that he rather just take it by force?

One thing I think most can agree on though is that Melisandre was hot as hell....as long as she kept that necklace on.
 
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PrimetimeKnight said:
He tried to get Renly to listen to reason and not pursue the Iron Throne. At that point it was all out war for the throne when Renly didn't back down. I always scratched my head at why Renly thought he had any claim on the throne. I didn't read the books but all I remember from the show was that Renly didn't think Stannis would be as good of a king as Renly? With Stannis being the older brother though the rules of succession should've been pretty clear but maybe Renly thought with support of House Tyrell that he rather just take it by force?

One thing I think most can agree on though is that Melisandre was hot as hell....as long as she kept that necklace on.
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You can’t blame Renly really. Stannis was relegated to some corner because he was a joyless, boring, miserable man. That and Robert kind of seized the throne in the first place. Defaulting to Stannis after Robert’s death just because he was the second to emerge from their mother’s vagina isn’t a compelling claim to a throne that was stolen to begin with. Of course Renly would try, he had the bigger Army.
 
Punished Miku

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Meicyn said:
You can’t blame Renly really. Stannis was relegated to some corner because he was a joyless, boring, miserable man.
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The kind of competent guy you want to get things done, but not a great politician.

The series just highlights over and over the question of what makes a good king? They never truly give you the answer to that question. Stannis has qualities that make him a good general, but not a good king. Renly has basically zero qualities to be good at anything but being a upper class socialite.
 
PrimetimeKnight

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Meicyn said:
You can’t blame Renly really. Stannis was relegated to some corner because he was a joyless, boring, miserable man. That and Robert kind of seized the throne in the first place. Defaulting to Stannis after Robert’s death just because he was the second to emerge from their mother’s vagina isn’t a compelling claim to a throne that was stolen to begin with. Of course Renly would try, he had the bigger Army.
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Rules of succession are very important in any established monarchy. They keep order and eliminate a power grab anytime a monarch dies. Yeah Robert obtained the throne through rite of conquest but its a legitimate way, but to say Stannis didn't "deserve" it because he's boring and joyless is ludicrous. He also held Dragonstone which is traditionally ruled by the heir apparent to the iron throne.

He absolutely would've made a better king than Renly. Stannis didn't want the throne for power, he sought it because it was his duty and obligation which right there should demonstrate to you the man's character. He also has a moral code that is as strong as they come and I feel those are excellent qualities to have in a leader. He also was the only assistance the north received when they were begging for help against the white walkers. I have a hard time believing anyone out there actually thinks Renly (or anyone except Jon Snow) would've been a better king than Stannis.
 
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AJUMP23

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Punished Miku said:
The kind of competent guy you want to get things done, but not a great politician.

The series just highlights over and over the question of what makes a good king? They never truly give you the answer to that question. Stannis has qualities that make him a good general, but not a good king. Renly has basically zero qualities to be good at anything but being a upper class socialite.
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They answer it in the final season....a handicapped person that can posses animals and people, makes the best king.
 
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PrimetimeKnight said:
Rules of succession are very important in any established monarchy. They keep order and eliminate a power grab anytime a monarch dies. Yeah Robert obtained the throne through rite of conquest but its a legitimate way, but to say Stannis didn't "deserve" it because he's boring and joyless is ludicrous. He also held Dragonstone which is traditionally ruled by the heir apparent to the iron throne.

He absolutely would've made a better king than Renly. Stannis didn't want the throne for power, he sought it because it was his duty and obligation which right there should demonstrate to you the man's character. He also has a moral code that is as strong as they come and I feel those are excellent qualities to have in a leader. He also was the only assistance the north received when they were begging for help against the white walkers. I have a hard time believing anyone out there actually thinks Renly (or anyone except Jon Snow) would've been a better king than Stannis.
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The men mostly joining Renly’s cause and not Stannis’ shows that the common people could give two shits about rules established. Renly aiming to take the throne is literally another form of right of conquest. Might makes right is how Robert took the throne, and Renly was aiming to repeat.

You assuming I think Stannis would have been a worse king is something you imagined. Renly is a pussy, he wouldn’t have been able to handle the task. His idea of ruling revolves around the fun bits, but he’d flop at difficult decisions. His rule would fail just as Robert’s did.
 
Ionian

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Meicyn said:
The men mostly joining Renly’s cause and not Stannis’ shows that the common people could give two shits about rules established. Renly aiming to take the throne is literally another form of right of conquest. Might makes right is how Robert took the throne, and Renly was aiming to repeat.

You assuming I think Stannis would have been a worse king is something you imagined. Renly is a pussy, he wouldn’t have been able to handle the task. His idea of ruling revolves around the fun bits, but he’d flop at difficult decisions. His rule would fail just as Robert’s did.
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You failed the first rule of English. People gave two shits?
 
Tschumi

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Couldn't watch that show. Not enough payoff for the arseholes, excepting jofra nah nah i might not like jofra Archer but i can't make that dig lol, Joffrey or whatever his name is*
 
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bitbydeath

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Punished Miku said:
That was clearly his undoing and a totally different thing. I dont agree.
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He could have teamed up with Renly instead of killing him and the Lannisters would have fallen quickly, instead his greed of wanting the throne to himself turned him into a kinslayer.

Doing it again later for the same reasons is just Stannis being Stannis.
 
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GymWolf

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nkarafo said:
Was that part in the books tho?
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Don't know, but him doing crazy shit for that throne is not absurd or anything.

The guy killed his own brother in cold blood and it was ready to sacrifice thousands of men with ease for the same purpose.
 
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