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[Ownage]

Elon has pissed off a lot of people in the last few days...

Yes.

Yes, he did.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

What even WAS the statement? What was the point? Where was the political message?

You tell me, what does killing 15 people in New Orleans and blowing up a Trump hotel with a cybertruck mean? Because I don't care, it shouldn't have happened to begin with.

He used to be a Baby Fur so...

Elon has pissed off a lot of people in the last few days but we aren't allowed to talk about that.

Does that mean people deserve to be killed because they don't like Elon? I don"t like him either, but I ain't going out there slaughtering because of it.

 

[DeafTourette]

You tell me, what does killing 15 people in New Orleans and blowing up a Trump hotel with a cybertruck mean? Because I don't care, it shouldn't have happened to begin with.

Does that mean people deserve to be killed because they don't like Elon? I don"t like him either, but I ain't going out there slaughtering because of it.

That's the thing... Terrorism is supposed to have some sort of political or societal messaging... Like Unabomber or Tim McVeigh or whoever. They stage terror attacks to further a message... Like bin Laden on 9/11...

These seem random with no messages...

Loss of life is horrible either way!

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I don't care what "impression" they were trying to give, I care about the needless waste of human life. We shouldn't try to rationalize acts of terror, we should fucking stop them from happening.

When it comes to this kind of stuff where you got randoms doing guerrilla style attacks, I dont see how any city can really stop it.

Supposedly the New Orleans event even had barriers, but they were shitty ones. In Germany it was similar. A guy drive around them to get on the sidewalk. Most big celebration gatherings dont even have barriers. So unless every city spends a ton of money putting concrete barriers and having 100 cops patrolling the perimeter, this shit will happen. It's like all the times you hear about suicide bombers in the mid east just walking into a restaurant and detonating it.

It doesn't even have to be political/terrorism attacks. Any crackpot can do the same doing car ramming as the tactic. At least for a random trying to rob or pull out a knife or gun, someone can retaliate with a gun back. But if someone is car ramming, nobody can do anything except just hope you get out of the way.

In Toronto years back someone did the same. Drove along Yonge St and killed 10 people. They claimed it wasnt a political motive. Who knows. But it shows you dont even need a big group of people. He just drove on a busy street on a normal day.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-van-attack-driver-profile-alek-minassian-1.4632435

 

[Pegasus Actual]

That's the thing... Terrorism is supposed to have some sort of political or societal messaging... Like Unabomber or Tim McVeigh or whoever. They stage terror attacks to further a message... Like bin Laden on 9/11...

These seem random with no messages...

Loss of life is horrible either way!

What could possibly be the political message of the Arab-American who converted to Islam and ran over a bunch of random people while literally waving an ISIS flag in the wind?!? We may never find an answer... it's kinda like where is MH370?

 

[DeafTourette]

What could possibly be the political message of the Arab-American who converted to Islam and ran over a bunch of random people while literally waving an ISIS flag in the wind?!? We may never find an answer... it's kinda like where is MH370?

Is that confirmed? Because it wasn't his truck.

 

[Pegasus Actual]

Is that confirmed? Because it wasn't his truck.

Our leader is clear. And frankly inspiring.

 

[poppabk]

Because the alternative possibility is employers can import talent who not only are getting paid less than the American workers they just replaced, but also their work is tied to a visa program where they will be removed from the country if they are let go from their job. There's way too much that can be exploited.

There are already a bunch of protections in place to prevent the things you are talking about. The jobs have to be advertised in specific ways before a H1B applicant can be considered and the salary has to be at least the prevailing wage (LCA has to be filed) for people working similar positions in that geographical region.
If you are fired you have 60 days to find a new employer who only has to start the H1B transfer process for you to be able to start working for them.
The employer also shelled out several thousand for the application in the first place, so there is a sunk cost for them to.
It is possible to abuse the system - those Indian outsourcing companies for example - but it is a pretty good system with lots of safeguards.
The only way to have a hope of fixing illegal immigration is to have robust legal immigration, being opposed to countries sending their 'best' is counter-productive.

 

[Toons]

Mask off moments for both of em in the last 7 days.

Then again, Vivek has always been a piece of shit.

Lol Musk hasn't been wearing a "mask" for the last 2 years at minimum. Some just didn't want to see what was right in front of them

 

[GymWolf]

Dude has everything anyone can ask for and he still act like a bored 14 years old, you love to see it.

 

[Drew1440]

He used to be a Baby Fur so...

Elon has pissed off a lot of people in the last few days but we aren't allowed to talk about that.

We did get a banger from Sam Hyde instead:

 

[thefool]

That Cybertruck explosion was great publicity for the car.

 

[Kraz]

I guess he changed his name back.

That's a start to the New Year.

And when the cow kicked it over she winked her eye and said it's gonna be a hot time in the old town tonight.

There are already a bunch of protections in place to prevent the things you are talking about. The jobs have to be advertised in specific ways before a H1B applicant can be considered and the salary has to be at least the prevailing wage (LCA has to be filed) for people working similar positions in that geographical region.
If you are fired you have 60 days to find a new employer who only has to start the H1B transfer process for you to be able to start working for them.
The employer also shelled out several thousand for the application in the first place, so there is a sunk cost for them to.
It is possible to abuse the system - those Indian outsourcing companies for example - but it is a pretty good system with lots of safeguards.
The only way to have a hope of fixing illegal immigration is to have robust legal immigration, being opposed to countries sending their 'best' is counter-productive.

From American comments I've read they're saying they would prefer the money invested in H1B to go to uplifting Americans to fill those jobs. That there is latent talent in the country. That the program is only used to transfer already wealthy individuals, and from countries with better social/educational programs, into the better paying jobs, with plans to leave the poor jobs done by illegal immigrants to American citizens. Reinforcing a caste-like system and cycle of poverty destroying what's left of the American Dream.

 

[Kacho]

Our leader is clear. And frankly inspiring.

I feel safer than ever

 

[StreetsofBeige]

From American comments I've read they're saying they would prefer the money invested in H1B to go to uplifting Americans to fill those jobs. That there is latent talent in the country. That the program is only used to transfer already wealthy individuals, and from countries with better social/educational programs, into the better paying jobs, with plans to leave the poor jobs done by illegal immigrants to American citizens. Reinforcing a caste-like system and cycle of poverty destroying what's left of the American Dream.

I dont think any typical company or government wants to purposely hire immigrants over locals unless there is a good reason to.... talent, cheaper, attitude, or some kind of combination of various factors. As you said there can be other factors too like the person has better money and good education. There's lots of reasons when everything is added up. And dont forget birth rates. Many western countries have lousy birth rates, so to keep up the population and growth, you got to get more people from other countries because you cant force anyone to have more babies. And hey, DEI can play a role too. Best way to hit those race quotas is to hire immigrants.

That being said, if I had a choice between a person who is qualified, seems like a good person with a good attitude, and is budget friendly, I'd hire him too irregardless if he was an overseas person or not.

Nobody says locals cant compete. Right off the bat, they actually got an advantage over any immigrant knowing people (networking and nepotism), knows the language, knows the city and how things kind of work in society. An overseas person starts from scratch and might not even know the local language to begin with (or has crappy beginner level communication skills). If a local still cant compete, thats on them.

It's no different than sports. Teams scout and draft the best players they can find based on their team budget. Locals are easiest to find as they are nearby and they play the game the most. But if there's someone better overseas, a team will draft him because hey he's better.

Why burn the guy and say he cant sign?

 

[jufonuk]

 

[Dacvak]

Lol, Elon is such a loser

 

[Kraz]

 

[DeafTourette]

What could possibly be the political message of the Arab-American who converted to Islam and ran over a bunch of random people while literally waving an ISIS flag in the wind?!? We may never find an answer... it's kinda like where is MH370?

Btw ... What I'm reading right now is that both men were military vets. American military vets. And the suspect in NO is black.

 

[poppabk]

From American comments I've read they're saying they would prefer the money invested in H1B to go to uplifting Americans to fill those jobs. That there is latent talent in the country. That the program is only used to transfer already wealthy individuals, and from countries with better social/educational programs, into the better paying jobs, with plans to leave the poor jobs done by illegal immigrants to American citizens. Reinforcing a caste-like system and cycle of poverty destroying what's left of the American Dream.

Money invested? You mean the approx $3000 in visa fees? You aren't getting a lot of training for that.
Full disclosure, I first came to the US on an H1B. I for sure wasn't a wealthy individual - wealthy individuals use the EB visa path - which leads to permanent residence.
There are only 600k H1B visa holders total, and they are generally used because the employer needs someone to fill a position now and there aren't applicants from within the US with the required abilities. They are less than 1% of the total US professional workforce, not exactly the numbers that would bring about some social upheaval.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

It's...odd that the world's richest man would spend hours in a group chat using a voice synthesizer and burner account to aggro people he disagrees with.

But overall I'm with musk on this one. The USA generally has had a pretty conservative to the H1B. These things are not being handed out like candy.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Money invested? You mean the approx $3000 in visa fees? You aren't getting a lot of training for that.
Full disclosure, I first came to the US on an H1B. I for sure wasn't a wealthy individual - wealthy individuals use the EB visa path - which leads to permanent residence.
There are only 600k H1B visa holders total, and they are generally used because the employer needs someone to fill a position now and there aren't applicants from within the US with the required abilities. They are less than 1% of the total US professional workforce, not exactly the numbers that would bring about some social upheaval.

And it's not even just absolute numbers of talented people available across the country. But location. Not all companies have headquarters in giant metro cities where there's tons of people and talent available. If a company needs some tech experts and the office is in a small city or province or state, you arent going to have lots of local talent, nor people wanting to move there. So if there's immigrants willing to move to bumfuck rural office X, that might be the best and fastest talent to get.

 

[sono]

Lol, Elon is such a loser

https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbes...-ten-richest-people-in-the-world/#:~:text=Who is the richest man,overtaking Bernard Arnault of France.

 

[Dacvak]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbes...-ten-richest-people-in-the-world/#:~:text=Who is the richest man,overtaking Bernard Arnault of France.

Just proof that even infinite money can’t make you cool. Poor Elon

 

[Kraz]

Money invested? You mean the approx $3000 in visa fees? You aren't getting a lot of training for that.
Full disclosure, I first came to the US on an H1B. I for sure wasn't a wealthy individual - wealthy individuals use the EB visa path - which leads to permanent residence.
There are only 600k H1B visa holders total, and they are generally used because the employer needs someone to fill a position now and there aren't applicants from within the US with the required abilities. They are less than 1% of the total US professional workforce, not exactly the numbers that would bring about some social upheaval.

Not just personal wealth accessing better education, that's why better government sponsored social and educational programs in immigrant countries were also specifically mentioned.

A couple billion(600k x 3000) wouldn't hurt but would help with social/education investment to improve opportunities for Americans could reduce the need for immigrants.

With upcoming plans are to scrap the Department of Education in the US, to the point of removing programs like providing meals for children, that investment seems unlikely. It's understandable why Americans are voicing uneasy feelings of being replaced.

They might be over-reacting.

Either way, as a non-US citizen, I don't mind if the H1B program is increased or reduced. There are benefits to both from my pov. Here we've had to tighten legal immigration for the strain it's put on the country.

 

[Kacho]

 

[Kacho]

^ lots of interesting info. A Twitter thread with more details

 

[FunkMiller]

^ lots of interesting info. A Twitter thread with more details

A big Trump supporter apparently. Pissed at Elon?

 

[Punished Miku]

Pissed at Elon?

So not really a partisan issue I guess.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

A big Trump supporter apparently. Pissed at Elon?

Similar to the New Orleans guy, also a military dude.

 

[FunkMiller]

Similar to the New Orleans guy, also a military dude.

Trump has said some pretty shitty things about veterans, so maybe that has something to do with both?

 

[Kacho]

A big Trump supporter apparently. Pissed at Elon?

Maybe. Who goes through the effort of doing something like this without leaving a message? Everyone's like "lolwut?"

Dude donked himself off with a 50 cal too... like wtf man lol

 

[Tams]

Musk is high on himself, plus either ket or pure Bolivian marching powder.

And I'm all for it.

 

[Pegasus Actual]

His ugly wife was a Trump hater at least in 2016. I would focus my investigation on her ugliness and how it might lead a man to blow himself up.

 

[Kacho]

JUST IN: Family of accused Trump hotel truck bomber Matthew Livelsberger says he was a “big Trump supporter,” questions the incident.

Odd.

The uncle of Livelsberger told the Independent that he is confused by the explosion because his nephew could rig a bomb to blow up half the hotel if he really wanted to do damage.

“He used to have all patriotic stuff on Facebook, he was 100 percent loving the country.”

“He loved Trump, and he was always a very, very patriotic soldier, a patriotic American. It’s one of the reasons he was in Special Forces for so many years. It wasn’t just one tour of duty.”

“Matt was a very skilled warrior, and he would be able to make if it was him, and if he did this… he would’ve been able to make a more sophisticated explosive than using propane tanks and camping fuel.”

“Some of it doesn’t make sense, when he had the skills and ability to make something more, let’s say, ‘efficient.’ His skills were enormous from what he had been taught in the military.”

“[He] could have fashioned a bomb that would have obliterated half of that hotel if he seriously wanted to hurt others.”

Source: Independent

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Trump has said some pretty shitty things about veterans, so maybe that has something to do with both?

Maybe. I dont follow Trump's ramblings most of the time, so I wouldnt know what he said about the military. I thought he was always super pro military.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Love this Elon guy.

 

[FunkMiller]

It's not enough for people to just accept that some folks aren't mentally stable. There has to be some sort of conspiracy at play.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Elon is such a colossal dork.

And this thread really took a turn lol Didn't expect it to be about the New Years craziness.

 

[Pegasus Actual]

And this thread really took a turn lol Didn't expect it to be about the New Years craziness.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Giving off massive

energy.

Normally, I'd agree, but the man excels at some of the games he plays. If he were trash, it would totally be Fellow Kids vibes.

 

[LegendOfKage]

There are already a bunch of protections in place to prevent the things you are talking about. The jobs have to be advertised in specific ways before a H1B applicant can be considered and the salary has to be at least the prevailing wage (LCA has to be filed) for people working similar positions in that geographical region.
If you are fired you have 60 days to find a new employer who only has to start the H1B transfer process for you to be able to start working for them.
The employer also shelled out several thousand for the application in the first place, so there is a sunk cost for them to.
It is possible to abuse the system - those Indian outsourcing companies for example - but it is a pretty good system with lots of safeguards.
The only way to have a hope of fixing illegal immigration is to have robust legal immigration, being opposed to countries sending their 'best' is counter-productive.

I think the argument is that those safeguards and protections are being ignored. Not sure if the information below is accurate, but this would be the argument on the other side of things. Here's something I saw elsewhere, with some of the more important tweets from this thread:







An interesting note is this is all coming from someone who also has a recent tweet crediting Musk for saving free speech on social media, which I think is a good indication that this person isn't just trying to selectively interpret the data.

 

[The Pleasure]

Musk is high on himself, plus either ket or pure Bolivian marching powder.

And I'm all for it.

Sounds like Musk is taking too much booger sugar.

 

[Auto_aim1]

At this point it’s just sad. He’s the richest most loneliest man in the world who spends all day on twitter. Which would be ok if he didn’t spend $44 billion acquiring it.

It’s also sad what he’s done to twitter. As a tech bro , I’m actually sympathetic to what’s being discussed but the racism and hatred on my feed during this whole fiasco literally makes me want to vomit. It’s racism served on a platter to hundreds of millions of people rightfully angry about a very serious economic issue. But no, we need to be exposed to the worst in humanity who themselves only care about exposing the worst in other tribes. This time writing off 1.5 billion people.

The algorithm designed to push hate has completely ruined Twitter and made it a vomit inducing experience. Had to delete it for the second time in three months.

Man so true.

 

[nkarafo]

Love this Elon guy.

Compared to the other mega rich people i think he is the least bad.

 

[nkarafo]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbes...-ten-richest-people-in-the-world/#:~:text=Who is the richest man,overtaking Bernard Arnault of France.

Damn, Bill Gates not even in top 10 anymore.

I'm so old.

 

[Punished Miku]

Damn, Bill Gates not even in top 10 anymore.

I'm so old.

Wealth concentration is accelerating massively just in the last 4 years. That's what is setting off alarm bells for anyone paying attention. And Gates gives away a ton of money.

 

[poppabk]

I think the argument is that those safeguards and protections are being ignored. Not sure if the information below is accurate, but this would be the argument on the other side of things. Here's something I saw elsewhere, with some of the more important tweets from this thread:







An interesting note is this is all coming from someone who also has a recent tweet crediting Musk for saving free speech on social media, which I think is a good indication that this person isn't just trying to selectively interpret the data.

Considering he is analyzing data for applications that were approved to go to the lottery and not granted H1B visas he is immediately way off the mark. Once the H1B cap is hit they stop granting visa's unless you are an exempt employer (non-profit research higher education) so only a fraction of that 800000 are actually getting a visa. The way he words it as if 10x more approved to enter the lottery means 10x more visas seems to be deliberately trying to present a warped picture.
And the H1B visa isn't designed to bring in the top 0.1% of talent, that is what the EB visa path is for, it's designed to bring in professional skilled talent to fill shortfalls in available local talent.

 

[Kacho]

So this dude had a young kid and his wife left him recently. Pretty lame reason to go out if that’s the catalyst.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Considering he is analyzing data for applications that were approved to go to the lottery and not granted H1B visas he is immediately way off the mark. Once the H1B cap is hit they stop granting visa's unless you are an exempt employer (non-profit research higher education) so only a fraction of that 800000 are actually getting a visa. The way he words it as if 10x more approved to enter the lottery means 10x more visas seems to be deliberately trying to present a warped picture.
And the H1B visa isn't designed to bring in the top 0.1% of talent, that is what the EB visa path is for, it's designed to bring in professional skilled talent to fill shortfalls in available local talent.

So is the Rob Sterling guy off base like this example?

100 people apply for a job on Linkedin --> 10 people actually get company interviews --> 1 person gets the job.

Sterling is using the 100 or 10 number, when in reality only 1 person got the job.