How to deal with parenting two very different children.

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sit the kid down and be straight with him of how big he is fucking up and its only gonna get worse. tell him you are gonna act towards him like he acts toward your parents. go in his room when he does something stupid and just disrespect him. grab his favorite game and just snap it in half. stare him in the eye and tell him to cut the shit.
 
venne said:
Inform your dad that your brother already hates him. Your dad is a pussy and your brother doesn't respect him, he's just nice to him because it gets him what he wants. He's not the alpha in the house, your brother is.

I wish I could tell you that you can change things, but you can't. It's on your parents, mainly your dad based on your description.

Perhaps the best thing you can do is get out of there. Unfortunately, your parents seem to need this to reach crisis mode. Your leaving should accelerate the process.
I was going to pretty much say the same thing in that you need to talk to your Dad. Venne just said it more badass than me.
 
Cryptozoologist said:
Have your parents take the door of his room off the hinges.
The only person I've seen this done on was a friend who was eventually sent to jail for threatening his parole officer, after he was put on parole for threatening some other guy.

Now, I'm not going to say it won't work, but it's 0/1 in my anecdotal experience.

NaughtyCalibur said:
I don't believe beating the kid is the best option. Instead I'd suggest taking his door off the hinges and limiting him all the luxuries that I'm sure he takes for granted. Cut his food in half and eliminate snacks altogether; rig it so that when he showers there is no hot water; does he have a TV in his room with cable? Not anymore; Internet access? LOL, no.
His parents also did just about all of this. Of course, it didn't help that his father was supposedly little better than he was.
 
I'm pretty sure at that age it is required by law for him to go to school. Try calling the police. I'm pretty sure if they have an available officer he will come to your house and get his ass to school.
 
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Your parents need to get him in line.

"He won't do it". What kind of shit is that? Discipline his ass. "He won't go to school" How can parents not get their kids to school?

Sounds like your rents are doing enough to woop his ass. No parent should have a 13 year old who walks all over them.

Also though, you should step in. Tell him what he must do and how to do it. (I assume you are older). If your rents aren't doing it right, YOU have to take charge and make sure he goes to school stops being a punk, and hanging out with loser friends.

Edit: as a minority, I kind of shake my head and go "white people". Sorrrrry.
 
You and your parents should watch The Boondocks and learn some new moves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g01_MH5O_J8
Ok i know its a lot more complicated than this. I'd say try talking to him if you haven't already. I wouldn't try to come across like big sis talking down to little brother but not like a friend either which may be hard to do for some people. Tell him straight up that you don't want anymore bullshit and ask him whats going on. If he begging to talk let him do as much talking even if he might not be giving you what you want at first. It shows that you are listening at least. Good luck.
 
shanshan310 said:
.Anyway, I know there are a few parents on gaf but I'd like to throw the question open to all of gaf because I have no idea how to solve this - if its even my business. Does anyone else have similar experiences?

Why the fuck would you need to solve any of this? Also everyone should take the OP with a grain of salt. Anyone who describes himself/herself in entirely positive terms and his sibling in only negative terms probably isn't painting the whole picture.

I always wondered as a parent if I would respect a child who ALWAYS obeyed authority. I doubt I would find it very endearing. You are supposed to challenge authority to find your own role in the world. Obviously thats a far cry from "bullying your mother" with the wussy brother being fearful "hes going to hurt her." But a total sheep is almost as bad.
 
HeadlessRoland said:
Why the fuck would you need to solve any of this? Also everyone should take the OP with a grain of salt. Anyone who describes himself/herself in entirely positive terms and his sibling in only negative terms probably isn't painting the whole picture.

I always wondered as a parent if I would respect a child who ALWAYS obeyed authority. I doubt I would find it very endearing. You are supposed to challenge authority to find your own role in the world. Obviously thats a far cry from "bullying your mother" with the wussy brother being fearful "hes going to hurt her." But a total sheep is almost as bad.

I'm not trying to paint myself in a better light than my brother - he's highly gifted if he puts in work. Are you trying to insinuate me parents don't respect me because I got decent grades, helped out and never drank? I'm not saying I'm a perfect child, but I've never broken furniture because I was mad about the xbox being taken away. You know nothing about me, I'm not sure why you're trying to insult me. I was just trying to say my parents are having a hard time dealing with him because they never needed to tell me to pull my head in. Now they are dealing with a child who doesn't give a shit if you punish him because he will just "get you back".

I am a girl, by the way. My mother and I are both 5'1ish. My dad goes overseas for work and I'm often out at uni so yeah, when its just the two of them I am afraid he is going to hurt her.

We're kinda thinking he and my dad might have mild Asbergers Syndrome. Obviously that makes him more difficult to deal with. He's very focused on the xbox or whatever, but there is also an element of his misbehaving that has absolutely nothing to do with bullying or psychological problems.
 
HeadlessRoland said:
Why the fuck would you need to solve any of this? Also everyone should take the OP with a grain of salt. Anyone who describes himself/herself in entirely positive terms and his sibling in only negative terms probably isn't painting the whole picture.

I always wondered as a parent if I would respect a child who ALWAYS obeyed authority. I doubt I would find it very endearing. You are supposed to challenge authority to find your own role in the world. Obviously thats a far cry from "bullying your mother" with the wussy brother being fearful "hes going to hurt her." But a total sheep is almost as bad.

Probably because it gravely affects the OP while living at home?

Sure she could move out and put it all behind her, just ignore her family, put herself through a bunch of financial stress and wash her hands of them.

But isn't it better if she helps to solve behaviourial and emotional issues at home and not go through a bunch of fiscal hardship just to avoid dealing with the issue?

Also there's a pretty huge gulf between acting like a decent human being and been a sycophant, just as there's a pretty huge gulf between thinking for yourself/subscribing to freethinking principles and been a misbehaving little shit.
 
shanshan310 said:
We tried the psychologist. He won't go into the clinic.

This makes no sense to me. Seriously, none whatsoever. The "cool dad" syndrome must have castrated your father as far as maintaining authority is concerned.

Military school.
 
Door off hinges, cut the electricity to his room and take away any privileges the little bastard has. Seriously, don't even let him eat if he doesn't show any respect. Don't respect, don't eat.

If your parents refuse to get involved, you need to get outside help as well. Talk to the counselors at school and use whatever resources are available there to get your brother to calm the fuck down.

All else fails, whoop his ass seabass. He hits his sister, there is no way your Dad will stand for that, at least I hope he wouldn't.
 
CabbageRed said:
This makes no sense to me. Seriously, none whatsoever.

What's not to understand? He won't get in the car. He cannot be physically made to get in the car. No threats will get him in, no tempting him with something, no one is strong enough to get him in. How are we supposed to get him to go there?
 
HeadlessRoland said:
Why the fuck would you need to solve any of this? Also everyone should take the OP with a grain of salt. Anyone who describes himself/herself in entirely positive terms and his sibling in only negative terms probably isn't painting the whole picture.

I always wondered as a parent if I would respect a child who ALWAYS obeyed authority. I doubt I would find it very endearing. You are supposed to challenge authority to find your own role in the world. Obviously thats a far cry from "bullying your mother" with the wussy brother being fearful "hes going to hurt her." But a total sheep is almost as bad.

Why are you such a jerk?
 
shanshan310 said:
What's not to understand? He won't get in the car. He cannot be physically made to get in the car. No threats will get him in, no tempting him with something, no one is strong enough to get him in. How are we supposed to get him to go there?

The 3 of you combined can't physically overpower? Goddamn, go get a male friend or something. Or coerce him with promises of Xbox games.
 
Make him feel guilty by telling him that your mother is getting ill from the stress he is causing. When you have his attention, talk to him about what his actions are having on the family and that your mum can't take it anymore.

Don't tell him he only has your parents way to fix things, but he can choose what he wants to do instead. If you still can't get through, then there probably isn't much hope and your parents have to start cutting off. If violence starts, then your old man needs to chip in and just give the little shit a right hiding.
 
I'm old school. If I was his dad, I'd kick his ass in the front yard for everyone to see. Throw me in jail, I don't give a shit, I've got bail and lawyer money. Nobody is going to destroy my house and get away with it, even my own offspring. They will pay with a pound of flesh and I'll take it right out of their sorry little ass.

That's how we roll in my family. That's how my dad handled me when I was a teenager and got out of control. We'd have a throw down in the front yard. One time the police had to come out and separate us. I had to go live with my grandmother supposed to be temporary, but I ended up staying a year and it was even worse than living with my dad. When I came home, I had nothing but respect for him from that day forward.
 
JB1981 said:
Sounds like your brother needs a male figure in his life to set his ass straight
Unfortunately, the one male figure is, by reading this thread, not what he should be and do.

And I agree with printing two copies of that post with three friends and giving one to mom and second to dad - bolded for him.
 
Sofo said:
Have you thought of filming him and showing him how ridiculous he looks? Maybe shaming him while still showing him how he makes you all suffer would help?

I don't think I could deal with a son/brother like that, I'd probably give up a bit too soon.
How about sending that footage to Dr. Phil?

Also, inb4headlessroland
 
shanshan310 said:
He barricaded his door and refused to go for weeks on end. He doesn't do any sort of homework or hand in assignments so even though he's actually pretty smart he's basically failing everything. Progressively he's just getting more and more out of control, and I'm getting more and more frustrated watching my parents try to reel him in - and fail. He has no respect for either of them. I'm getting worried about my mother - he bullies her a lot, and I'm seriously afraid he's going to hurt her. My dad is... part of the problem. He's afraid of my brother hating him, and is afraid to punish him so as to stay on his good side. Everytime my parents make some sort of deal he backs out after getting what he wants. He's wrecking the family, to be honest. I'd like to move out in a year or so, but I think the family will fall apart if I do.

I hate to say it but it's time for your Dad to man the f up. First off, the barricading himself in the room is horse shit. Do your parents know its illegal for him not to go to school? They should threaten to call the police on him, and if he doesn't budge, they call the police. I know it's drastic, but my nephew did a pretty similar thing to my sister during high school and it worked on him. She actually dealt with a similar situation, one "good" kid, one nasty one. She even took his Xbox to her work in order to hide it from him. So, pretty similar stuff.

Second, back to your Dad. Time for him to make your brother hate him. Dad's aren't friends. The moment he does anything disrespectful to your mother he needs to step in and squash him. That was one thing my father always made clear to us, and looking at my sister, one thing her husband never made clear to their son. If we ever said anything terrible or did something terrible to our Mom and my Dad caught wind of it, we were dead. It worked. With my sister this was never the case and that kid run all over those two.

Basically your Dad needs to make life hell for him. I guess in some cases this can backfire and further push the kid away, but when the kid is already acting like a shit head to begin with, does that really matter?

And there is nothing you can do really. All you can do is tell your parents they need to knock him down a few pegs. He won't listen to you. And if you need to move out, then so be it. Your sanity is just as important. As long as your parents see eye to eye with him, he won't rip your family apart.
 
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