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How will the human race evolve?

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Kiriku

SWEDISH PERFECTION
Since we're constantly evolving as a race, what do you think humans in the future (very far into the future of course) will look and be like? If we're still around, that is.

Because the way we live now makes some of our features obsolete IMO. Just take the fact that many people don't get enough exercise naturally, and actually have to set aside time specifically for that. Or our eating behaviours, how will it affect the future human?
Like one of the more abused human organs, the liver. Will the liver evolve, maybe we'll have two livers?
 

Mandark

Small balls, big fun!
You're being too Lamarckian here.

The only traits that would change are the ones that make it more or less likely you'll produce babies in your lifetime. Yeah, we eat more, but fat people are reproducing. We drink more, but our livers would only evolve if everyone drank so much that it would take a superior liver to keep you alive long enough to breed.

Humans have largely stepped off the evolution train thanks to technology, and that's a little scary.
 

Kiriku

SWEDISH PERFECTION
Mandark said:
You're being too Lamarckian here.

The only traits that would change are the ones that make it more or less likely you'll produce babies in your lifetime. Yeah, we eat more, but fat people are reproducing. We drink more, but our livers would only evolve if everyone drank so much that it would take a superior liver to keep you alive long enough to breed.

Humans have largely stepped off the evolution train thanks to technology, and that's a little scary.

Yes, I guess you have a point here.
So then, it's more likely that we will controle nature at our leisure? I mean, we can already choose whether to have a baby or not, and in the future it most probably will be possible to choose what your baby will be like. And even further into the future, I can see humans being "improved" in one way or the other (beyond the normal human) with this technique before they even exist.

But this won't be valid for all of the world of course, at least not in the same pace. And there are some groups in the world that are hesitant when it comes to development through technology, like devoted religious people.
 

Jill Sandwich

the turds of Optimus Prime
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Six fingers or atleast more agile fingers. Darker skin and hair color. Better Eyesight.

The rest I agree with Madark- technology will overcome most health problems.
 

Raven.

Banned
Ageless, highly resistant to all forms of damage, with mental capabilities far beyond those of mortal men, and with far better senses( tactile and the like :D ).

While we'll have those, there'd be the hick fundamentalist that decided gm and artificial enhancement was "against the will of God" ala amish these primitive beings(they'll probably ask for genetic preservation or something to ensure no change, of course) will live like parasites side by side with Olympian-esque superhuman entitities.... They won't get sick, won't have to work, and maybe they'll decide to stop their aging process(probably with constant treatments rather than permanent, as it'd be unnatural.) :lol

Just like now, some will await their rapture and avoid progress, wihile others will trascend into something far beyond anything anyone could've imagined. Thankfully with trascendence comes power, in the end those who're opposed to progress, and deeply embrace theological beliefs will lose all power.
 

Ferrio

Banned
No we won't, least I don't think so.


The whole basis of evolution is natural selection. Natural selection in humans is almost obsolete.
 

B'z-chan

Banned
We do ever day metaphorically speaking. We have the choices, in which we can better ourselves. Though it might be small but we do this every day. Our knowledge ever growing. Hell we've created a whole other life form, digital albeit but still thats very impressive. And we are actually able to understand our bodies unlike any other capable animal. Our speach might be our only draw back in evolution. I think the next step in human evolution will be the absence of all language barriers only then will we be able to work together as one toward a higher achivement in the advancement of evolution.
 
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I hope my stolen image works ...

This occurred to me recently while watching some TV show or other. A comparison was briefly shown of an homo erectus skeleton (or similar antecedent), side by side with one from a contemporary sapiens. The structure on the left was coarse, rough, runty, bow-legged, and somehow intuitively primitive. That on the right was taller, thinner, lighter, more effective, better economised, and resonated with an exciting sense of advancement.

But I didn't have anything else to add, so I decided against starting a thread on the subject.
 
We have very little natural selection and no genetic isolation so no true evolutionary 'direction' exists. Basically all that will happen is we will randomly diverge genetically with the only limits being lethal or sterilizing mutations, and even some of those will be diverted around. Basically what will continue to happen is what has already happened. We will become weaker, slower, and, now that we have society propping everyone up, dumber. With no selective advantage there will be no selection and so even the lowest slowest most worthless among us will become the equal of the high fastest strongest most worthy of us. Sort of depressing that no matter what you achieve in life it means jack shit because you could just be some dumb hick plop out a few kids and in the grand scheme of things be better than Einstein.
 
However our eventual alien overlords will want us to evolve. I assume whatever that will make us better at mining spice. And tasting good.
 

sonicfan

Venerable Member
BigGreenMat said:
We have very little natural selection and no genetic isolation so no true evolutionary 'direction' exists. Basically all that will happen is we will randomly diverge genetically with the only limits being lethal or sterilizing mutations, and even some of those will be diverted around. Basically what will continue to happen is what has already happened. We will become weaker, slower, and, now that we have society propping everyone up, dumber. With no selective advantage there will be no selection and so even the lowest slowest most worthless among us will become the equal of the high fastest strongest most worthy of us. Sort of depressing that no matter what you achieve in life it means jack shit because you could just be some dumb hick plop out a few kids and in the grand scheme of things be better than Einstein.


That is basically what I believe. So much of what most think is needed for evolution really doesn't exist that much any more for humans.

It used to be the smarter you were, the more likely you were to survive, and the longer you survived, the more likely you were to have offspring who then could pass these traits on. Now, it almost seems that this is turned on its head, I would say that the relationship between "smarts" and the amount of offspring you have has reversed, the smarter you are, the less likely you are to have many kids and vice versa.

Also, think about stuff like medicine, how many "sickly" kids now survive (at least in the west) to adulthood who just 100 years ago would have died? It used to be common for a family to have 4 or 5 kids and at least one of them to die before they reached adulthood, now it is very uncommon.

There are other factors with modern life, like lack of isolation, that really go against creating the circumstances that would lead to "improving" the human species.
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
human culture conteracts any evolutionary forces. Any changes in our looks that most people are referring to would not be considered evolutionary changes.
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
Natural selective forces may be weak in humans, but sexual selection is still alive and well somewhat. People who can't get laid don't reproduce nearly as much. ;)
 

Phoenix

Member
If activity in a variety of areas is the deciding factor - we will evolve into a species more resistant to a variety of forms of radiation.
 
Mandark said:
You're being too Lamarckian here.

The only traits that would change are the ones that make it more or less likely you'll produce babies in your lifetime. Yeah, we eat more, but fat people are reproducing. We drink more, but our livers would only evolve if everyone drank so much that it would take a superior liver to keep you alive long enough to breed.
We should start advertising this. "Eat like pigs and drown yourself in liquor! For the FUTURE OF HUMANITY!"


Seriously, though, who knows what the future will bring? Climate change could be quite the weeding-out force in the long run.
 

3phemeral

Member
Well, I suppose if you think of how our current culture works -- and under the assumption that it will continue to be that way for thousands of years -- you have a few possibilities.

1) People we be naturally more attracted to other people who resemble those we see in the media, making selection for those individuals more desireable and more likely to procreate. Will that make future generations more beautiful? Who knows -- if beauty is largley based on symmtery, then they'd have a greater likelyhood of producing symmetrical babies (sounds weird). =P

2) Or, I remember reading somewhere that people in the (beautiful) media, and people similar to those who match those same physical requirements, are less likely to want to have children because they would want to preserve their ability to work and maintain their physical state as long a spossible. Thus, ugly people become more abundant because of the lack of beautiful people willing to create offspring.

3) There was an article I read a few years back concerning the increase of harmful particulates in the air encouraging birth deffects and long-term health concerns with every succeeding generation. I suppose we could evolve to adapt to those conditions, but I'm not entirely sure how that'd be possible or in what form it would take. I suppose that people with a greater affinity to resist harmful side-effects of such chemical exposure would be the answer, but I'd hardly see how they would look any different.

4) Poor families hare more likely to have more kids than affluent families. Whether or not this is has a direct relationship with IQ or some biological quanitifiable source is debatable, but if there holds a strong relationship between capacity for learning and income level, then I'd say the world would be becoming more and more iditotic.


Now, of course, this doesn't take into consideration equality of education, social conditions, or any real substantial logic :) In all honesty, I''ve no idea what the possibilities would be. I'd have to say that somewhere down the line someone will have a strange physical anomoly that will give them a major advantage over the rest of the population. Maybe something like Asexual reproduction, who knows. :) Personally I think out evolution will eventually be controlled by the discretion we use for scientific modification; gene alterations and the like.
 

dave is ok

aztek is ok
I for one, say that the pinky toe is being phased out.

And by the time we're able to time travel, well have white skin, huge heads, and gigantic black eyes, and when we go back in time we will be teh aliens omg
 

karasu

Member
Hopefully it'll be something along the lines of mental maturity. There's no point in becoming faster or longer lasting if we're just going to make the same mistakes.
 

way more

Member
Are we really still evolving? As I understood it one of the requirements for evolution is a small and dispersed population.

And does anyone hear really know anything about evolution and taken a class? Since knowlege is evil in my country I don't know much more then that it runs counter to Creationism. Any good books on the subject?
 

Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
mac said:
Are we really still evolving? As I understood it one of the requirements for evolution is a small and dispersed population.
It has to do with the genetic stability of both a species due to reproductive behavior and a population due to mating pool sizes. When you have a large interbreeding mammalian population the gene pool is fairly stable and changes slowly as long as their environment is stable as well, but when you split off a small group it's much less genetically stable.

And does anyone hear really know anything about evolution and taken a class? Since knowlege is evil in my country I don't know much more then that it runs counter to Creationism. Any good books on the subject?
I've found "Science on Trial" by Douglas Futuyma to be an excellent primer. Less than 200 pages and covers most of the basics in some depth. Of course, it greatly helps to read up on actual plants and animals to get an appreciation for their distribution and sheer diversity. Other background fields would include ecology, which is essential for understanding what is meant by "environment", and even geology, as far as learning the history of the earth itself to understand the effect on life by geographic changes. Actually, one of the hardest parts about explaining evolution to people is the fact that by and large people DON'T know this essential background stuff(and most public schools are woefully inadequate in their science classes). It's somewhat like explaining Calculus to those who haven't taken Algebra.
 

Dilbert

Member
I dunno, but I'm really hoping to grow a long third arm out of the middle of my back so I can type and use the mouse at the same time!
 
We won't "evolve" in the traditional Darwin sense. That stagnented after the most recent ice age. In fact, humans probably haven't evolved much at all since the Native Americans/Aborigonies landed and setlled in their respective territories. BUT, we will still make our selves stronger and more adept as a race. This will happen with genetic engineering. Of course, first, it will be the rich that adopt this. They will create a class of super humans. Ultra good looking, super healthy, super strength, free of genetic defects, a higher predisposition to gaining "intelligence," etc. As the needs for humans on earth changes, so to can the genetic treatments be altered.

The poor will adopt this practice once it becomes cheaper/common. The rich may try to keep this from happening, as they need SOMEONE to rule over. But, this may be prevented with inter-class relations and all. For a few years expect a few reality shows like "Who wants to win a Designer Baby!?"

This genetic altering will be a major thing for a few generations, much like polio vaccination. Once all the genetic "impurities" are weeded out only minor checkups will be needed to correct minor genetic alterations, deviations, and or mutations that may occur. Get ready for everyone and their cousin to be "hot." Also, percautions will be taken to make sure that the alterations make up for the shit we did to our enviroment (e.g. naturally tan skin to combat the harmful rays of the sun to make up for the hole in the ozone layer)

This is our form of evolution. Our brains, our intellect has allowed this to become reality. So I guess Lamarkian theory was just a prediction to our future as a species... Sick, sad, but that's the way I fear it's going to be. Luckly, I will only be around to see the genisis of this practice. The horror.
 

Phoenix

Member
mac said:
Are we really still evolving? As I understood it one of the requirements for evolution is a small and dispersed population.

And does anyone hear really know anything about evolution and taken a class? Since knowlege is evil in my country I don't know much more then that it runs counter to Creationism. Any good books on the subject?

You have the entire internet at your disposal, if you don't learn it - that's on you :)
 

Saturnman

Banned
Whole cultures are still vulnerable to invasions with rape and killings. That's natural selection on a massive scale.
 

olimario

Banned
We wont.
All that will happen is that we'll continue to become more healthy and continue to accumulate knowledge.
 
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