kevboard
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no. it's complete bullshit and one of people involved is a high level ailen conspiracy nutjob.
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Groundbreaking Findings on the Giza Pyramid Complex Could Re-Write Human History
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no. it's complete bullshit and one of people involved is a high level ailen conspiracy nutjob.
Romulus
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Probably no truth to it but it's best to be open minded considering humanity's track record. We're consistently wrong about most everything until we eventually get it right. Dumb, blind, and deaf to the mechanism that created the universe and even aspects of our own planet and even human biology lol. It's a shitty position to be in but if humanity survives another 1000 years we might get closer to some of the foundations.
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LimanimaPT
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As expected. What I find incredible is not this "finding", it's the fact that people even consider this to be true. Paper aliens from mexico all over again.
What's next? A gigantic underwater alien city in the bottom of some ocean?
And what happened to the alien drones in NJ?
Rentahamster
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It's funny how the researcher thinks that using their AI analysis is somehow free of human influenced pareidolia when AI hallucination is a thing. These guys have very weak justification for any of their conclusions.
mathello
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Shut up, you're just Mainstream archeology apologist, they found the city of the dead, and it is a due to the gift of vibrations finding the exact truth, they decoded what comes from reptilian aliens making them destined to be the first on the starship. When we ring the bell to call the Sages.
manfestival
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I am not saying it is aliens but... it is aliens
PSYGN
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I almost took the bait until I watched the video. Don't judge a video by it's band member. Actually most metal dudes are logical.
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Rentahamster
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I've been bound to secrecy by Hideo Kojima's lizard pod clone. I've said too much. I can't contain the divine resonant harmonies and may premature climax.
Nocty
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There is a far more interesting site that is much less understood than the giza site; in Bolivia. It's called Puma Punku
Aside from being significantly older than the pyramids, Puma Punku was also constructed much farther from the quarry where the stones are believed to have been cut. Some of these stones weigh well over 100 tonnes, making the task of moving them across such rugged terrain seem nearly impossible. The blocks feature perfectly drilled holes, sharp 90-degree internal angles, and polished surfaces that resemble modern machine-shop work far more than anything expected from bronze-age craftsmanship. More recent tests have revealed that some of the H-shaped stones are mysteriously magnetized, with compasses spinning erratically or pointing away from true magnetic north when placed on certain larger blocks at the site.
Just bizarre this huge set of weird shaped blocks in the middle of nowhere, ten miles away from where theyre were quarried.
Just to troll a little, here is the grifter version;
Aside from being significantly older than the pyramids, Puma Punku was also constructed much farther from the quarry where the stones are believed to have been cut. Some of these stones weigh well over 100 tonnes, making the task of moving them across such rugged terrain seem nearly impossible. The blocks feature perfectly drilled holes, sharp 90-degree internal angles, and polished surfaces that resemble modern machine-shop work far more than anything expected from bronze-age craftsmanship. More recent tests have revealed that some of the H-shaped stones are mysteriously magnetized, with compasses spinning erratically or pointing away from true magnetic north when placed on certain larger blocks at the site.
Just bizarre this huge set of weird shaped blocks in the middle of nowhere, ten miles away from where theyre were quarried.
Just to troll a little, here is the grifter version;
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INC
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Assuming giza is 4000 years old, which is also up for debate
Some of the stones are heavier than a 100 tonnes, especially the foundations stones, and were moved over 500 miles, across mountain ranges. There's also unfinished carved stones at the quarry, weighing over a 1000 tonnes, you can walk on it even today
Regardless, the amount of sites across the globe, all demonstrating the same kinda of techniques is baffling, there's definitely a missing technology we're yet to relearn (and that doesn't meaning using space laser)
I'm still gonna go with resonate frequencies playing a hand in all this
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Nocty
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yep. I'm at that conclusion as well. Egypt has a lot of very tech-looking art, for example, a lot of the paintings and stone carvings depict what look like lightbulbs, and quite often reuse of what to me look like Acorns and wristwatches with stars on. The mainstream archeology go-to of drawing up of these being 'religious fantasy artwork' is bullshit imo.Assuming giza is 4000 years old, which is also up for debate
Some of the stones are heavier than a 100 tonnes, especially the foundations stones, and were moved over 500 miles, across mountain ranges. There's also unfinished carved stones at the quarry, weighing over a 1000 tonnes, you can walk on it even today
Regardless, the amount of sites across the globe, all demonstrating the same kinda of techniques is baffling, there's definitely a missing technology we're yet to relearn (and that doesn't meaning using space laser)
I'm still gonna go with resonate frequencies playing a hand in all this
We know that objects can be levitated using sound frequency, it's well studied but little understood.. The question remains how is it done at scale. Many of the monolithic sites have strange audio / resonance attributes to them, especially the seraphim and the great pyramid, and even more so in places like Chichen Itza, it's fascinating.
They also found what looked to me like giant cogs or propellers near the Serapeum of Saqqara structure. The idea that they are just bizarrely carved bowls or something just seems absurd to me. They look like they serve a purpose beyond that. Serapeum of Saqqara is another totally wild discovery.
Not even sure where to begin explaining this. It seems absurd again that they were built to house corpses of bulls. My theory is that the ancient egyptians simply discovered these places and repurposed them.
The shafts and rooms they are inside of are lowered from the main walking corridor, which means these ten bajillion ton blocks were somehow placed inside and lowered into place, theres not enough space in the chambers for the 500 people you would need to shift even the smallest one, so what the fuck.
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RJMacready73
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Assuming giza is 4000 years old, which is also up for debate
Some of the stones are heavier than a 100 tonnes, especially the foundations stones, and were moved over 500 miles, across mountain ranges. There's also unfinished carved stones at the quarry, weighing over a 1000 tonnes, you can walk on it even today
Regardless, the amount of sites across the globe, all demonstrating the same kinda of techniques is baffling, there's definitely a missing technology we're yet to relearn (and that doesn't meaning using space laser)
I'm still gonna go with resonate frequencies playing a hand in all this
i dont think its up for much debate tbh, we know through a lot of archaeological evidence when Khufu was built, around 2500yrs BC
The largest stones were no more than 80tonnes
The stones from Aswan's quarries were floated up the Nile, it's amazing how much weight several hundred/thousand humans can pull, If Alexander the Great can march an Army over 22,000 miles, pulling a few large stones (not all just the granite ones within the chamber, the rest came from a local quarry i was at) ain't all that
There's no missing technology, maybe a lost method but i don't understand why we can't all appreciate that there have always been humans throughout all of human history that are simply so far ahead of the curve they are almost Alien, go walk around the Vatican, the Coliseum in Rome, all incredible wonders made by extraordinarily gifted men, ffs we have had them in modern times.. Einstein anyone? Just because you can't wrap your head around it doesn't mean someone else could've.
Resonant frequencies is just idiot talk tbh and belongs firmly in the big foot realm of pseudoscience
MrCunningham
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They're giant springs!
WhiteWaterM00se
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Has this been debunked yet?
Trogdor1123
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The Mysterious Universe podcast did a breakdown on this and the tech is apparently real but they were completely not sold on the actual findings. They also pointed out that finding the actual data is essentially impossible. I think that explains a fair bit.
Nocty
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Just finished watching this. The studies were completed on the ancient egyptian granite pots that are owned by a private individual. My god, how the hell was this done. There is no way in hell you are telling me they made these so perfectly with chisels or even a lathe.
Mind boggling stuff. They most certainly had access to technology that we don't know about. Had the deal not already been sealed long ago for me that Graham Hancock was right, this cements it.
right at the end of the video the guy theorises something compelling - the pyramids, the vases, all of this display of incredible architecture is much similar to what modern humans did with the Voyager Record https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_Golden_Record
Essentially, we encoded all of our knowledge and blasted it out to be found in outer space. He says that the Egyptians, or the ancients who created the pyramids and these vases, actually did the same to be found through time here on earth. They built structures encoded with their knowledge with the caveat of being found through time, rather than through outerspace. Whatever cataclysm hit them they knew it was coming, and decided to pass down what they knew to eventual modern day humans. It's an interesting thought indeed.
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violence
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Humans had machines as far as I'm concerned. A cataclysm took us out of an Ice Age and back to the Stone Age.
"In a beginning…"
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The problem with these theories is that we have lots and lots of evidence of primitive tools but no evidence of "primitive" cultures using machined items. Even if knowledge of how to build things with metalworking, gearing, or whatnot was lost, there should still be that stuff in the trash or in the corners of caves/dwellings and we just don't find it.
You can say that all the advanced stuff was placed around coastlines that are now submerged, but surely SOME of that stuff would have been placed near mines or quarries and we still have lots of those now.
I think those guys DID have more technology/culture than we credit them with, but it was a lot more human muscle powered than we think. Tricks with leverage, abrasives, mental acuity to do math in their heads, and just TIME and FOCUS in ways we don't understand well now.
violence
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If you leave a car sitting out for a 100 years, what will be left?
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The factory where it was built. The tooling that made the machines that made the car. The road network the car drove on. The fuel collection, refining, and distribution system to support it. The precursor machines, tools, plans, and factories leading up to the car. The mining operations to get the metal. The plastics. The power system for the factories. The mining for the battery. The rubber harvest operations for the tires. The international shipment system to bring these things together at scale.
Just no way a car appears out of the blue, even a super primitive one like the model-T. There are 2-3 CENTURIES of precursor vehicles working out the suspension, the propulsion, the control systems. Even if every existing model disappears, the infrastructure necessary to foster the invention and construction of such a device has a permanent imprint.
DownLikeBCPowder
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Love seeing one of these videos feature Ben posted here. Some semi related viewing:
Old but excellent series:
Ancient Machining generally:
Good general overview/starting point:
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CoreyFlawless
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Would a factory survive for 10000 years just sitting there? In 10k years. Not only the decay. But just the weather, storms destruction from tornadoes or whatever. Floods. Nothing hardly survives after 10000. If for some reason no one take care of my brick house just for a 1000 years. Only thing that still be up and standing is that damn fireplace
Nocty
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I've been inside the Seraphim of seqara. My wife and me visited it during our 2015 trip years ago.
I posted about it in another thread - the ominous feeling I had standing inside that tiny room with the giant stone boxes was something else. It felt like I should not be there. whatever was inside them, and it most certainly was not originally corpses of bulls, was put in there to be safely encased and protect people from whatever it was inside. I am a firm believer in the theorty that the pyramid is some kind of energy machine, and perhaps they had to store dangerous materials inside massively thick stone casings.
The weirdest thing about the Seraphim of seqara sepcifically is that the corridors are tiny, the little halls leading to the sarcophagi are small so you have to crouch down to get to them. Then there are two sets of writings enscribed in the walls and on the boxes themselves. One is clearly made with high precision, the other much later and more recent which is crude. The guide himself theorised that the egyptians discovered the site and in his words ' made it their own ' meaning they repurposed what they found for storing their prized bull corpses.
The boxes are so large and so heavy that it would have been impossible to fit enough slaves inside the tiny corridors and 'lower' the cases down into the rooms they are housed in. It's completely impossible in my head how it was done, the only way I could imagine it working is that they built the boxes deep underground and then carved out the building structure and tunnels to reach them afterwards, which doesn't make any sense. The sarcophagi weigh over 70 fucking tonnes. It would have taken hundreds of strong men to even slide the fucking things let alone lift them and move them down those tny shafts, you couldnt fid 10 guys in there let alone 100+. If you are struggling to understand what I mean, think about this in a simplified form; You have a large 100 ton box that is 4x2 metres in size. The corridor that leads to the chamber it sits in, deep under ground, is 2x1 wide. How are you supposed to get it in there and lower it down the shaft by a few metres? bare in mind it also weighs 70-80 tonnes.
And then there is the issue of getting the lids into place. Which weigh another 40 tonnes each and were cast perfectly, to the point you couldn't get a piece of paper between the gaps. The language carved in the casing is very differnt compared to the walls around it which are much cruder. I remember saying to my wife it looks like someone used a laser of some kind, even after the time has past the writing was crystal clear cut on the sarcophagi. Amazing place
We will likely never know who made them or to what purpose, but when you see them in physical form, you can absoulely feel something is off. They are just otherworldly almost and incredible in presence.
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Then we would still have the fireplace. Probably some of the foundation. And the copper in the power lines would probably have some residue. The plastics of course. Take an entire CITY and there would be strata to examine and explore for thousands upon thousands of years. We have CAMPSITES and TRASH PITS that are tens of thousands of years old. Ceramics persist, so that all your plates, mugs, and cookware.
Currently we are leaving monstrous piles of trash near our cities, hundreds and hundreds of them. That stuff is gonna still be around, as an identifiable artifact of civilized man, for 100,000 years or more.
diffusionx
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Point taken but we do have one ancient machine
Antikythera mechanism - Wikipedia
Albeit the antikythera mechanism is as old to us as Ancient Egypt was to the people who built it. But this mechanism points to a level of sophistication that nobody could have even conceived of until the middle ages, and most importantly - the level of sophistication implies a trail of development that we also do not have. We have no precursor mechanisms that led up to it.
I think there is a lot that people have not dug up. The field of archaelogy is barely 200 years old and the prominent people in it talk and act like their current narrative of history is settled. It's not.
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Yeah, that's a good one. Stuff like that would be what I'd expect. Essentially one off hand made marvels, the work of a solitary genius, rather than large scale industrialized production. How much effort to get that much bronze, was it hand forged/filed or cast with the lost wax method? But if that kind of stuff was widespread, like clockwork devices in every house, we'd presumably have a lot more recovered from old ruins, homes covered by landslides, or even odd lumps of melted metal after a fire/volcano.Point taken but we do have one ancient machine
Antikythera mechanism - Wikipedia
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Albeit the antikythera mechanism is as old to us as Ancient Egypt was to the people who built it. But this mechanism points to a level of sophistication that nobody could have even conceived of until the middle ages, and most importantly - the level of sophistication implies a trail of development that we also do not have. We have no precursor mechanisms that led up to it.
I think there is a lot that people have not dug up. The field of archaelogy is barely 200 years old and the prominent people in it talk and act like their current narrative of history is settled. It's not.
Of course one downside to using stuff like brass, copper, and bronze, as well as stone, is that that stuff is easily recycled by lower tech civilizations. Can't really recycle plastic, steel, or electronics in the same way, so that stuff ends up in the trash while possibly the former got repurposed/reforged, so we don't have any left.
But if the egyptians were using steam engines to build the pyramids, for example, rather than human/animal power, you'd think there would be remnants of it at the quarries, around the build sites, or at least depictions of the machines in artwork that DOES feature human workers. Or words to describe such things at the very least.
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We known an awful lot about Egyptian life through their fresco paintings on the walls of tombs and other places. We know how they fought battles, hunted, sailed, etc. through their art and archeologist have found chariots, boats, etc that match those depiction. But of course that's not the case at all for these mythical "Egyptian steam engines" that only exist in fantasy.
diffusionx
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Well, we aren't totally sure that it is a one-off. There's just no way someone even a great genius can go from zero to a device of that complexity and precision. There has to be precursor machines. I doubt they were mass produced but there is a huge void between "this singular device sprung up out of nowhere and landed in the bottom of the sea" and "everyone had a clock in their house."
I'm not an Egyptologist so I can't speak to the specifics of what is written on the walls. But it is conceivable that the pharoah had a process that was only used in these mass building projects or melted down in wartime, or what have you. We know at some point they stopped building these things and it's conceivable the process was lost - it has happened in the past (we lost the ability to make concrete for 1000+ years) and the materials were re-used when no longer needed. We also don't necessarily know how that process would be conceived by the people - they would not necessarily write it down like an engineering textbook today. Egyptians conceived of the world differently from the Greeks. We also know there are some strange hieroglyphs, although the interpretation is up for debate:
Helicopter hieroglyphs - Wikipedia
Dendera light - Wikipedia
I think the basic thrust is that after 200 years of studying this, nobody has really been able to provide a satisfactory answer as to how this stuff was built. it's not for a lack of trying. And I think that the human mind will reason that there must be something we don't know. Now granted the mind can go in all sorts of crazy directions but it's also foolish to think we unpacked it all even though there is so much we don't know.
The knowledge of how gearing works, and the need to track this stuff in the first place, is an interesting conundrum. I'm not sure other portable geared devices are known in the greek world, or if this thing was just a very complex example of stuff we know they used, like devices to measure angles or calculate other things. Did they have jack-in-the-box toys back then? Geared trackers of tides, the moon, the solstice? I'm not really sure.
But the point is the thing COULD be made with tools and techniques we know the greeks had, it's not like it was made with alloys or forging techniques unknown to them (or our understanding of them). So its basically an art project with a lot of impressive math, but it is something just one genius could work out and 1 artisan could make. It's not like a modern computer that requires an entire infrastructure to make, the antikythera, as cool as it is, could be manufactured by Greece as we understand it.
For sure lots of stuff is lost. Techniques we could probably exploit today. But nothing like levitation, telepathy, or aliens, I don't think. Or technology using electricity, internal combustion. Bet they did have some chemical processes, lets call it alchemy, and a crazy level of human dedication to the craft.
DownLikeBCPowder
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But there does appear to be some evidence - for example, what do you make of what appear to be gigantic circular saw marks on some of these blocks? The overcuts that can be found on some carvings indicating potential machining? Etc.
I'm not suggesting I have the answers, but I do believe there are many such justified questions and they range far beyond Egypt.
diffusionx
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Well, I doubt it was levitation or telepathy too. Naturally the mind will go to these sorts of things.
Nocty
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and yet not a single one appears inside the pyramid, and furthermore, the so called 'kings chamber' contained nothing but a broken granite box.
In fact, none of the hieroglyphics in all of Egypt directly depict how the Great Pyramid of Giza was built. Despite the Egyptians' extensive use of writing and symbolism, no known inscriptions from the time of the pyramid's construction (mainstream archeologists suggest circa 2560 BCE) provide detailed step-by-step descriptions or visual depictions of the construction methods used.
I find it perplexing that they documented absolutely nothing of their greatest creation that stood tall for thousands of years ater it's construction while most of their other monuments fell apart to ruin.
I do not believe for a moment that Aliens created it or had a hand in it. I do believe that the people who did, did so a long time before we are told it was built, and had far more advanced technology than we give them credit for.
There are far to many mathematically precise anomalies in it's design and construction for it to have been made with primitive methods and tools.
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violence
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I've been on an Egypt kick again. (Listening to podcasts while flying down the Nile River in Microsoft flight simulator 
.) I guess I was unaware how precise some of these old kingdom vases were. In this quick clip when he shines the light in a vase, it looks fucking great. One vase has no flat bottom but balances perfectly upright due to how precisely made it is. The flat vase looks like it was the same basic shape as the other vases but squished down in AutoCAD before being 3-D printed. There's no way this stuff was made with primitive tools. Egyptologists are not engineers, they don't know what they're looking at.
.) I guess I was unaware how precise some of these old kingdom vases were. In this quick clip when he shines the light in a vase, it looks fucking great. One vase has no flat bottom but balances perfectly upright due to how precisely made it is. The flat vase looks like it was the same basic shape as the other vases but squished down in AutoCAD before being 3-D printed. There's no way this stuff was made with primitive tools. Egyptologists are not engineers, they don't know what they're looking at.
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Nocty
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This particular hieroglyphic has always been really interesting.
Assume for amoment you look at it purely from a 'what you see' perspective if you know what I mean, known as the Dendera Light, it is widely interpreted by mainstream Egyptologists as a symbolic depiction of an Egyptian creation myth, specifically the emergence of the sun god Harsomtus (or Ra) from a lotus flower.
However, if you look at this in more detail it is strange for a number of reasons, so many questions.
DownLikeBCPowder
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I've been on an Egypt kick again. (Listening to podcasts while flying down the Nile River in Microsoft flight simulator
Absolutely - great channel you've linked there, by the way. Been a big fan for so many years now. One of the things that initially attracted me to Ben's channel was the very high definition walk through video of many ancient sites - much closer and higher quality than I had ever seen in many years of casually viewing commercial documentaries and such.
There are certainly far more mysteries abound in these ancient designs than most seem to admit to.
Angry_Megalodon
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This particular hieroglyphic has always been really interesting.
Assume for amoment you look at it purely from a 'what you see' perspective if you know what I mean, known as the Dendera Light, it is widely interpreted by mainstream Egyptologists as a symbolic depiction of an Egyptian creation myth, specifically the emergence of the sun god Harsomtus (or Ra) from a lotus flower.
However, if you look at this in more detail it is strange for a number of reasons, so many questions.
They surfed the sand waves to summon the giant worms.
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