How would Bruce Lee, at his peak, fare in the UFC?

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yacobod said:
you my friend have never seen the Gabriel Gonzaga vs Chris Tuchscherer fight from UFC 102. the low blow to Tuchscherer downed the guy for like 5 or 6 minutes, he was convulsing in the ring, and throwing up all over himself. you're crazy if you think a blow to the nuts can't stop a guy in his tracks.
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There are less than 1% of the population who could hit a man in the groin with enough strength and accuracy to cause this kind of damage. I also will take the evidence of the dozens of street fights I watched with eyes rolling over one incident in which a highly trained professional managed to land the perfect crotch shot.
 
ShinobiFist said:
There was nothing over the top about my comments. It is very well documented how he trained, on footage and by people who knew him and trained with.
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Yeah, I mean this isn't extreme hyperbole produced by the imagination of a serious nut-swinger.

I wouldn't want to be that man that beat Bruce Lee, because the next time you fight him, it might be your last day on this earth.
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ShinobiFist said:
There was nothing over the top about my comments. It is very well documented how he trained, on footage and by people who knew him and trained with.
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Your "wouldn't want to be the man who beat him" thing was more than a little ridiculous. Also the idea of Bruce preparing for opponents. The point of JKD philosophy was that you don't prepare. You simply react and live in the now. You don't even expect to win. Expecting to win means you can't react fully to the situation at hand.
siddx said:
There are less than 1% of the population who could hit a man in the groin with enough strength and accuracy to cause this kind of damage. I also will take the evidence of the dozens of street fights I watched with eyes rolling over one incident in which a highly trained professional managed to land the perfect crotch shot.
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Well, yeah. But we're talking about trained street fighters here, not joe random. All those youtube vids of street fights have people throwing lame punches and ending up scrapping on the floor precisely because they don't know what they're doing.

It doesn't actually take long to train a groin-aimed knee strike that will completely fuck up someone's offence. You don't have to be an amazingly huge guy, just know how to properly throw your weight (even if you don't have much) forward.
 
agrajag said:
Yeah, I mean this isn't extreme hyperbole produced by the imagination of a serious nut-swinger.
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bruce lee huggers are almost as bad as the guys swining from lyoto machida's nuts when he was on his ufc run, omg he's so elusive, his technique is so flawless, omg the machida era. must be the traditional MA backgrounds.
 
a perfectly placed nut shot can down even the most toughest of men. i remember this one time i was playing catch with my friend with a tennis ball and i threw the ball at him underhanded and very soft and for whatever reason he didn't catch it and it hit him just perfect in the balls. he let out a blood curdling scream and was on the floor for a good 5 minutes.
 
smurfx said:
a perfectly placed nut shot can down even the most toughest of men. i remember this one time i was playing catch with my friend with a tennis ball and i threw the ball at him underhanded and very soft and for whatever reason he didn't catch it and it hit him just perfect in the balls. he let out a blood curdling scream and was on the floor for a good 5 minutes.
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Happened to me as well, when I was playing tennis. I wish ballsacks weren't such a weak point.
 
yacobod said:
bruce lee huggers are almost as bad as the guys swining from lyoto machida's nuts when he was on his ufc run, omg he's so elusive, his technique is so flawless, omg the machida era. must be the traditional MA backgrounds.
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Yeah, I know what you mean. It's like Frank Dux killing men in the kumite, Rickson's 400-0 record, and Fedor being invincible. People like to buy into the myth of the unbeatable man and Lyoto differentiated himself through his style enough to where people could think that he was it.
 
smurfx said:
a perfectly placed nut shot can down even the most toughest of men. i remember this one time i was playing catch with my friend with a tennis ball and i threw the ball at him underhanded and very soft and for whatever reason he didn't catch it and it hit him just perfect in the balls. he let out a blood curdling scream and was on the floor for a good 5 minutes.
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The difference being you were two friends playing catch. Not two men amped up on adrenaline and anger (and very often drunk as fuck) wanting to beat the shit out of each other.
 
smurfx said:
a perfectly placed nut shot can down even the most toughest of men. i remember this one time i was playing catch with my friend with a tennis ball and i threw the ball at him underhanded and very soft and for whatever reason he didn't catch it and it hit him just perfect in the balls. he let out a blood curdling scream and was on the floor for a good 5 minutes.
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A perfectly placed grammatical error can take down even the most validest of statements.
 
I've been hit hard in the nads, had an immediate pain which has gone away just as quickly.

I've also been flicked lightly on the nads, but began as a slight creeping pain which ended up with me on the floor in nut-agony.

It's all about the 'sweet spot' and that sweet spot is hard to hit deliberately if your opponent is moving.
 
Fusebox said:
I've been hit hard in the nads, had an immediate pain which has gone away just as quickly.

I've also been flicked lightly on the nads, but began as a slight creeping pain which ended up with me on the floor in nut-agony.

It's all about the 'sweet spot' and that sweet spot is hard to hit deliberately if your opponent is moving.
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Yup.

Also, I could re-word your post to mean haymaker and whether or not it knocked someone out.

"Nut strikes take anyone down to the floor" and "never kick anyone in the nuts adrenaline means it won't work" are equally as silly positions to take.
 
The only time I have ever been floored by a nut shot was when my 2 year old punched me there. I couldn't walk about I started to throw up.
 
yacobod said:
bruce lee huggers are almost as bad as the guys swining from lyoto machida's nuts when he was on his ufc run, omg he's so elusive, his technique is so flawless, omg the machida era. must be the traditional MA backgrounds.
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WTF Machida has nothing to do with this. He will have the belt again so don't worry.
 
tito ortiz is going to get the belt! you just watch. i don't care who wins it as long as its not rashad evans.
 
Nobody in this thread is in a position to answer the question, and the topic has been argued to death numerous times. It always leads to Bruce Lee lovers and haters fighting back and forth.
 
dream said:
I genuinely wonder if Tito will ever win another fight in what's left of his career.
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i doubt jacob ortiz ever wins another fight in the ufc, but little nog is beatable, i just don't think ortiz has the tools to take advantage of him.
 
Iadien said:
Nobody in this thread is in a position to answer the question, and the topic has been argued to death numerous times. It always leads to Bruce Lee lovers and haters fighting back and forth.
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Yeah, but we all know Lee plus Guile theme playing would end wars.
 
Suairyu said:
Shit, you never get into fights in the playground? Or even watch any? The first thing most would-be bullies realise is that them being bigger than everyone else doesn't mean they're going to be King of the playground.
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So bullies are usually... Smaller than the people they pick on?

But yeah, low percentage strikes will level any playing field... Pfft.
 
So, I'm thinking Bruce Lee would want to fight in 145, after cutting.

That means, if he was good enough to get past the dizzying myriad of talented guys in that division, he'd eventually have to face Blackhouse fighter Jose Aldo, an extremely quick, extremely powerful Muay Thai machine, who's also a legit BJJ black belt, with very good wrestling. Aldo is a legit name to drop in any "best pound-for-pound fighter" debate.

Jose Aldo would destroy Bruce Lee, no question in my mind, and I love Bruce's stuff.

And all you Bruce Lee jock-riders would only make it worse for Bruce. Aldo would relish people doubting he could beat Bruce Lee. Look at what happened when people doubted him against Faber. He didn't just come out to beat Faber, he came out to crush every bit of him. He requested the fight in Faber's hometown, then he came out to "Run this Town" by Jay-Z as he soaked up the boos. Then he proceeded to dismantle Faber, and not just beat him, not just cripple him to the point where he had to be carried to the corner between rounds, but he absolutely tortured him for four rounds, before kinda having mercy on him in the fifth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbPtfAe3G8o

Jose Aldo doesn't just fight the best in the world...he destroys men. He takes the best opponents and cripples them, literally. World-class MMA athletes end up in crutches after fighting him. Urijah Faber wasn't the first, and he won't be the last.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYzrlU0gcYY

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You dudes talking about Bruce's dedication need to realize that there are hundreds of dudes swinging sledgehammers, flipping tires, and perfecting their holds, boxing, and muay thai, shooting takedowns and training cardio until they vomit in gyms all over the world -- in the middle of nowhere cornfields in Iowa, in dirty favelas of Brazil, in freezing gyms in Holland and Russia. Those guys are damn dedicated too, and the pool of dedicated fighters is soooo large and worldwide now.

And that's partly because of Bruce Lee. That's his legacy. That's what he'd be proud of if he were alive today.
 
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People forget he practically invented the modern notion of MMA.
 
If you ever watch ANY Bruce Lee video on youtube, it seems to break into a huge fight over whether he was the father of MMA (after Dana White claimed he was). It makes you want to blow your brains out how hateful and annoying most of the debate is. As far as I'm concerned, it is like debating the birth of cinema. I could name a billion different devices and claim them each one individually as the device that birthed cinema, but in the end, it goes nowhere. There are far too many contingencies and unknowns to decide. At least, this is how I personally see it.
 
Vincent Alexander said:
I could name a billion different devices and claim them each one individually as the device that birthed cinema, but in the end, it goes nowhere.
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I named a pretty good one just above your post.
 
What's nice is that most people can agree he made great contributions to the field of martial arts.

I don't think people should dismiss him as merely an actor, though.
 
Salazar said:
I named a pretty good one just above your post.
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I agree it is good. I have to question also though who Pankration inspired, and if that chain of inspiration continued all the way into modern MMA. Pankration could merely be a stand-alone precursor, one that's style and ideas were contained in Greece and Rome and never spread after the fall of Rome. Now, of course, it could have died with Rome and stayed that way for hundreds of years only to be re-discovered later, then survived and inspired all the way until what we now know as MMA. Or it could have died with Rome, and over a thousand years later someone who never heard of Pankration came up with the same idea. Now, if this person in modern time came up with this without having heard of Pankration, is he/she still the father or mother of the idea of MMA? Or is it still the person who came up with Pankration forever ago? Sorry for being annoying---I probably ask more questions than I answer. I really have no idea where I stand on it all, except that I can talk myself in circles.

Pristine_Condition said:
You dudes talking about Bruce's dedication need to realize that there are hundreds of dudes swinging sledgehammers, flipping tires, and perfecting their holds, boxing, and muay thai, shooting takedowns and training cardio until they vomit in gyms all over the world -- in the middle of nowhere cornfields in Iowa, in dirty favelas of Brazil, in freezing gyms in Holland and Russia. Those guys are damn dedicated too, and the pool of dedicated fighters is soooo large and worldwide now.

And that's partly because of Bruce Lee. That's his legacy. That's what he'd be proud of if he were alive today.
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I love Bruce Lee, which is probably why I really love what you've said here. Who knows if it is true, his impact on fighters, but I do like to believe his life has had some sort of effect on people like this.
 
Raxel said:
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People forget he practically invented the modern notion of MMA.
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I think Bruce Lee and Jeet Kune Do gets a little too much credit for MMA. That's not to say his contribution wasn't very important. It was. But before Lee, there were lots of forays into mixed systems, and other voices talking about dispensing with strict forms and the like and just doing what worked.

"Judo" Gene Labell, an instructor and friend of Bruce Lee's, came from two traditions that were "mixed" systems--Judo and "Shoot" Professional Wrestling, or "Catch." Labell also had an MMA fight four years before Bruce Lee founded Jeet Kune Do, when he took on boxer Milo Savage. Savage wore specially-made speed-bag gloves with the fingers cut out (sound familiar?) and the fight went four rds. before Labell caught Savage in a choke.

Of course there was Pankration. There was also Judo, which classically does have some strikes and submissions. At the turn of the century, there was "catch wrestling" or "shoot" pro wrestling where wrestlers would take on all comers and "no holds barred" often meant fists and kicks too. There were the famous travels and challenges of Mitsuyo Maeda where he took on challenges from boxers, karate men, savate fighters, and wrestlers, which ultimately led him to Brazil and the foundations of BJJ. The militaries of the world were always looking at mixed combat systems too, especially after the World Wars. Just look at the evolution of Sambo in Russia as an example of that. All this was before Bruce Lee.

What Bruce Lee did was use his stardom to learn from guys like Labell, and give these ideas a powerful, inspirational voice that others would hear.
 
Pristine_Condition said:
Of course there was Pankration. There was also Judo, which classically does have some strikes and submissions. At the turn of the century, there was "catch wrestling" or "shoot" pro wrestling where wrestlers would take on all comers and "no holds barred" often meant fists and kicks too. There were the famous travels and challenges of Mitsuyo Maeda where he took on challenges from boxers, karate men, savate fighters, and wrestlers, which ultimately led him to Brazil and the foundations of BJJ. The militaries of the world were always looking at mixed combat systems too, especially after the World Wars. Just look at the evolution of Sambo in Russia as an example of that. All this was before Bruce Lee.

What Bruce Lee did was use his stardom to learn from guys like Labell, and give these ideas a powerful, inspirational voice that others would hear.
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Oh I know about LeBell, I have a copy of Grappling World as my go to book for new techniques :D He and Bruce trained together, hence if Bruce wanted to go into MMA, he'd be trained by someone regarded as one of the greatest grapplers of all time.

There are several well documented ancient and medieval martial arts which formed complete systems - Japanese Jiu Jitsu, the precursors to Muay Thai and Shuai Jiao and a few others I can't remember right now.
 
The guy was also a beautiful man and a fashion trend setter. He was perfect in almost anything he tried to work with. Even his robes were amazing to witness.
 
charsace said:
WTF Machida has nothing to do with this. He will have the belt again so don't worry.
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Randy Coutour is the perfect stepping stone to a shot............ damn LHW needs some more contenders. Come on Bones and Davis!

Anyways i actually think he would go ok, he was constantly evolving and would have been at the forefront of anything new. Could he have been champion? maybe.
 
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy said:
Randy Coutour is the perfect stepping stone to a shot............ damn LHW needs some more contenders. Come on Bones and Davis!
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Can see Rampage getting the next shot if he beats Thiago Silva.
 
man i havent heard the name benny the jet for a long time

was he talked about in movies or promoted stuff as well? its not like i knew fighters or fighting back when i was a kid but the name rings bells
 
m3k said:
man i havent heard the name benny the jet for a long time

was he talked about in movies or promoted stuff as well? its not like i knew fighters or fighting back when i was a kid but the name rings bells
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Benny Urquidez rocks. Great movie fighter too.

Everybody praises his Jackie Chan stuff, but his fight scene with John Cussack in Grosse Pointe Blank is easily one of the best fight scenes in a mainstream movie ever. It only last about a minute, but it's awesome and brutal. Cussack had been Urquedez's student for years and years, so they beat the shit out of each other. Even the blocks look like they hurt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0ScNLt2zNc
 
One of my co-workers at my previous job was an MMA fighter, and he and his friends (who were also MMA fighters) got into a fight with some marines and won.

Guess that settles that.

Or maybe marines are just LAME-O's.
 
Tristam said:
Since we're talking about old legends with supposedly undefeated records, how about Benny Urquidez? Dude packed MEAN POWER despite his size.

KOs don't seem that common when you go down far enough in weight class, but that didn't stop him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc2a69AlmIA

Who woulda seen the flying kick at 6 seconds, much less dodged it with ease?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDwzFIc5F3Q&feature=related

Good fight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTDYP1qPJ1M
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He looks weak compared to Zambidis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUcinq1xxes

Benny Urquidez wouldn't be undefeated if K-1 existed in his fighting days.
 
This thread reminds me of a friend I had that thought Bruce Lee in his prime was about as strong as Vegeta when he first came to Earth.


Granted, we were maybe 10 at the time but I still thought he was full of it.
 
Tristam said:
Since we're talking about old legends with supposedly undefeated records, how about Benny Urquidez? Dude packed MEAN POWER despite his size.
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Benny probably wouldn't do too well in MMA. He didn't fare too well in Thailand, (lost twice IIRC) and he reportedly was beaten easily by some Gracie during those Gracie challenge years.
 
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