ShadowSoldier89
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I was expecting $999. I'm still considering this. If the experiences are there I'll bite. I would much rather see this succeed than oculus or PSVR as the tech is a lot more interesting
HTC Vive is $799, ships early April 2016
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3k? It's $800.
Hundreds of thousands of enthusiast already have a VR ready PC.
And yet, in 2011 they were still proposing a HW architecture / prototype for VR which was completely unsuitable for consumer production, and down a completely different track than the Luckey/Carmack design which all current products have adopted.
Shuggananas
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Obviously you can only do VR if you have SLI Titan X cards with 2 G-sync screens
I very much doubt many of them(me included) care enough about indie games to invest 800$ for them. Just look at this thread. The market just keeps shrinking.
3k was used for those who don't have Vive VR ready PC, which there are tens(hundrerds?) of millions of people. It's also a somewhat conservative number since many countires outside of US have fucked up prices on electronics, this one included.
ArtHands
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Well that doesn't mean a thing if they keep whatever they have been doing to themselves. Especially if someone else started doing it few years later without knowing Sony has already started doing it, and then actually make it a reality earlier than Sony.
Disingenuous
PSVR is much closer to OR, Vive, than mobile:
* Positional tracking
* 120hz
* Reprojection
* low latency (< 18ms)
* 3D audio
* 100 ' FOV
* Motion Controllers
The higher sub-pixel screen, 120hz display, built in reprojection and fixed platform, all give PSVR a leg-up, that enables a lower spec product to get much closer to the OR/Vive than what some give it credit for.
Using 3k is unjustifiable no matter how you spin it now. It's fine that you don't wan't it. It's not fine to transform that into generalization and exaggeration.
ShadowSoldier89
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still incredibly disingenuous, since even a poor researcher can build a VR ready PC for 1k, add a couple hundred if you need KB/monitor/mouse
Astral/H3X
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Yeah, and my 5 year old i5 gets the green light from the Vive tester, as well as passing the 9000 Firemark score that OR recommended. It's not exactly expensive, as far as gaming PCs go. I'd even imagine that a lot of consumer home PCs will only need a video card, given my i5 from several years ago being good to go.
Also, "$800 for indie games" is REALLY pushing it, given we aren't talking about 2D, meta ass video games. We are talking about B budget games that really only lack cinematic bullshit, but are pushing an entirely new and (relatively) uncharted envelope.
Even if the whole package was 1k i would still see it as a shitty deal. I hope VR does succeed and grow, but im not opening my wallet on it in the near future.
ShadowSoldier89
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ok, but stop telling people its 3k
Shuggananas
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"$50 bundled with a snickers bar or bust"
I don't know why you'd post if you think the entire thing (gaming PC + VR stuff) for 1k would be too much lmao
Because i don't see any software that appeals to me.
Dreamwriter
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Good to know, you hate good (indie) games and only care about graphics and AAA budgets, we can now ignore you. Spreading misinformation about things costing $3000, though, we can't ignore. Oculus Rift, which has slightly higher minimum specs than Vive, costs $1500 including an entire computer. Vive is only $200 more than a Rift.
That's nice and all, but what does this have to do with making up arbitrary price tags?
No one actually forces you answer to my posts?
Assuming i ignore the fanboy butthurting here, my real interest in VR would be a good quality VRMMO that is not focused on graphics but on the social aspect and sandbox gameplay.
That's what it would cost me if decided to build a PC with Vive VR. Perhaps 2500 with used parts.
Shuggananas
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I'm sure you'll have a second life VR edition mod at some point, but I'm not sure many people want to play the matrix
Astral/H3X
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Don't worry you'll get that. Heck even in Hover Junkers, which isn't trying to be an MMO in the least, it's surprisingly social with the emoting with your hands and shit.
No the fuck it wouldn't. It would cost you $1000 buying it all brand fucking new. And that if you're not even trying to save money. Stop. Making up. Numbers.
I built my computer five fucking years ago for ~$800, and just slapped in a new video card (replacing an older one that is factored into the $800). It's not fucking $2500.
artsi
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For us Europeans, HTC might have some bad news if their phone price policy is anything to go by.
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_a9_...nsive_in_europe_than_in_the_us-blog-14581.php
= 66% more expensive than US price
Not that it's rare, like Oculus and every other company they have to pay the European import taxes and their current financial situation might not let them absorb those costs.
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_a9_...nsive_in_europe_than_in_the_us-blog-14581.php
= 66% more expensive than US price
Not that it's rare, like Oculus and every other company they have to pay the European import taxes and their current financial situation might not let them absorb those costs.
Ever thought that i don't live in US? You are not the sole country in the cosmos.
Astral/H3X
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If you don't live in the US, then it's important to tell us that. You're just throwing around $3000. *Most* people are going to assume that's USD, including people who are wondering how much it's going to cost *them* to get VR.
Melon Husk
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It is in USD converted from euro prices. My initial post already said that im not from US, perhaps you should read it instead of getting triggered?
artsi
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I missed that announcement, at least it's not as bad as the phone. Hoping for a good price to other EU countries too.
Yeah. I didn't spend 2.2K euros building a computer...
ashecitism
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I'd wait till HTC makes it official. Could be just the site speculating.
Dreamwriter
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No, the entire post where you brought out the bogus $3k value (and slammed indie games) was:
Thus spreading misinformation that the cost would be 3k.
That's utterly bullshit. That's like 2700 euro. Some of us live in EU and built their PCs in EU. Stop spreading false figures. Even assuming 900 euro for Vive, that's still 1800 euro for a PC which is much more than needed.
Are you just in here to post total garbage and then get all defensive when called out on it or what?
This is generally a weird thread:
- if you don't own a "gaming PC", then PSVR is probably a far cheaper option, even if you don't yet own a PS4.
- if you do own a "gaming PC", then the HTC/Vive costs $800/£650... and the Vive is cheaper but doesn't have motion controllers.
The only note is that the HTC Vive/2016 costs $800. There will likely be a Vive/2018 which is far superior, and will probably cost around the same price... so for an "enthusiast", the true cost of the Vive may be better described as around $400/year.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out - I would expect to see significant sales to business users, consumers? maybe not.
- if you don't own a "gaming PC", then PSVR is probably a far cheaper option, even if you don't yet own a PS4.
- if you do own a "gaming PC", then the HTC/Vive costs $800/£650... and the Vive is cheaper but doesn't have motion controllers.
The only note is that the HTC Vive/2016 costs $800. There will likely be a Vive/2018 which is far superior, and will probably cost around the same price... so for an "enthusiast", the true cost of the Vive may be better described as around $400/year.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out - I would expect to see significant sales to business users, consumers? maybe not.
backbreaker65
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Y'all try too hard, they were pretty public with "DATURA" but keep going.
mckmas8808
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A couple of years? LOL! How about 10 years from now.
Astral/H3X
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We are already on the third Gen of this specific VR implementation.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Because most people don't believe that it's 33% better than the Oculus Rift.
But I doubt it's cost a third of the price.
Clearly all of the EU countries have the same price.
Well, let's see.
https://gyazo.com/bf1dd2cd8f29733d1af39fd2317cbebf
Not the bare minimum but still far from the most quality parts. Ignore the Wlan adapter. Add a 250-300e screen that's somewhat of a medium/low quality and 100e total keyboard and mouse setup. Let's ignore sound peripherals. Total about 1700e. Vive sure as fuck won't be less than 900e here so that's a 2600e ignoring mail cost and Windows. Current currency conversion 2800$.
Going by minimum would probably be only 2400-2500$. Though i don't know who the hell would actually buy a 4Gb ram, 970GTX and i5-4590 setup anyway. So yeah, i guess i was wrong. It's only about 2500$ here. But let's face it, the price is a red herring. The real problem here is that i don't see VR as the second coming.
And those people are stupid.
They believe that the Vive should cost the same as the Oculus, even though it brings the motion controllers and the lighthouse cameras.
Like...You have to be ignorant or entitled or both to believe such idiocy.
Melon Husk
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Agreed, a HMD trumps any 34" 21:9 monitor. Both are sort of "enthusiast" hardware.
Thanks to gratuitous funding we have hopped over Gen. 1 and maybe even Gen 2. with the Vive (and Rift, when it gets the Touch controllers).
Astral/H3X
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The only thing that the CV of the rift brings, IMO, is a headphone port and better optics over the DK2. The Vive, however, offers a huge leap in not only tracking but also what you can do with that tracking. It's the rift that's overpriced in my opinion.
Eh, I could see it. Shit gets cheaper quickly when the price is determined by the manufacturing. If that's the price it'll need to sell at to sell, that's probably what it'll be as it picks up. I'd guess about half, given the Gear VR is already $100 (even as a very limited implementation).
Edit: An HMD and a monitor are VERY different things. A VR headset in no way replaces a monitor.
josecitoxnyo
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Saw this on twitter, exactly my thoughts.
Wow, iPhone priced at $499. This sets Palm up to win at $399, and sets Blackberry up to dominate at $199.
Wow, iPhone priced at $499. This sets Palm up to win at $399, and sets Blackberry up to dominate at $199.
I'm sorry that in Finland you don't have access to good online shops. Doing a quick search only for MB and GPU got me around 50 eur less in Austria/Germany. Also Skylake, but 970?
Anyhow, the discussion is pointless, as it's clear now that you were treating your personal situation as a generic one. It's fine for you to think that way on a personal level.
The US generally is massively cheaper to build a PC than Europe. I could probably buy a new PC if I sold all the tears I collected from crying at the prices you can buy stuff at.
I'm not talking about US.
Hard to fault it, tbh.
I can't wait for my Vive. I'm utterly jittery for it.
PSVR and Oculus seem awesome too.
Really there are only winners here.
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