HuffPo: Obama Praises Black Lives Matter, But Says Activists Must Compromise

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Obama just continues his horrible dialogue with black community and race issues, no surprise here.

The arrest of that professor and the fallout from his comments has forever made him shy on race issues and not worth listening to.
 
Obama to BLM: be more like the Tea Party and less like Occupy Wall Street and you're more likely to get what you want.
It's actually harrowing to think of how successful the tea party ultimately became in bringing in the republican party.

I guess that is strangely not a bad example, despite it involving sentient human feces like Glenn Beck and a driving motivation of abhorrent unapologetic racism.
 
I did read the OP. Can you explain how "take the half-loaf" is not referring to compromise? Or did you not bother to read the OP yourself?

I read it and I think by honing on in one term used out of a three paragraph statement, you're really no better than whoever wrote that headline.

He's not saying BLM need to compromise any of their beliefs/goals, he's cautioning them not to let their ambition rob them of their reason. People and culture don't change on a dime and that can be a hard truth to grapple with, but any good movement is going to wrap their head around that truth.
 
Misleading headline. He's asking for BLM to lay out achievable goals and wants to see civility from activists once politicians agree to meet and address the concerns of those activists.

What he's saying sounds reasonable, but the headline makes it sound like he's telling BLM to give up their quest for fair and equal treatment from those in power.
 
All right. I agree the headline is a bit misleading. Could a mod change the title to something that aligns with one of Obama's quotes in the article?
 
Regardless of the validity of his criticism, telling a group whose message is "please stop killing us" that their goals are unrealistic is beyond fucked up

Like to add the writer of the article used the word "Compromise" not B Rock the Islamic Shock

oh. I should read better
 
Regardless of the validity of his criticism, telling a group whose message is "please stop killing us" that their goals are unrealistic is beyond fucked up

Well yes but there has to be goals to try and lessen that whether it be more body cameras, more oversight, more training, etc. I also think BLM represents more than just the killing of African Americans by police officers and also the terrible treatment in general by the justice system
 
He's not saying that they shouldn't protest, but he is saying that once your protest has brought the attention of government officials and people in power, then 1.) You have achieved a major goal of the protest itself and 2.) It's time to be pragmatic. It's a very reasonable stance to take as only protesting will only get you so far.

Yup. Don't be like OWS and make a lot of noise and do little to change the status quo.

History is a friend. Suffrage, Civil Rights, Marriage Equality. Play the long game smart and get the change you want.
 
He's not saying that they shouldn't protest, but he is saying that once your protest has brought the attention of government officials and people in power, then 1.) You have achieved a major goal of the protest itself and 2.) It's time to be pragmatic. It's a very reasonable stance to take as only protesting will only get you so far.

Exactly. He's completely in the right here.
 
This seems pretty tonedeaf. Criticism is not made any less valid by being unable to formulate a fully complete and functional plan to enact real methodical change. Kind of like expecting every art critic to be a full fledged artist himself. I'm honestly not surprised the BLM protesters are incapable of formulating a magical "fix-all" plan for a very complex and hard to solve problem and I don't know why that's being expected of them. Protesters are not lawmakers nor should that ever be expected of them.
 
Nothing wrong with what he said at all. It makes complete sense and is the proper step to take once you do have the attention of the people that you've been working so hard to get.
 
Some of the reactions in this thread are textbook--LOL didn't read.

Obama isn't saying anything controversial here. He's talking about efficacy. After a certain point, you need to think long term strategy and shouting at politicians is anything but long term in its effectiveness.

For the record, I support BLM and don't really have issues with the current tactics, but Obama's criticisms are not off base. He is a savvy politician after all. Something he was not in his first term. He's knows the struggle of implementing change.
 
Nothing wrong with that he said and he's generally right. The change they want will only happen incrementally. Once you get the attention and the ears of these people it's time to actually talk about what can be accomplished right now. Knowing work will need to be done in the future.

at some point we gotta stop screaming "Hands up don't shoot". You have to put forth an agenda and not let the anger cloud the overall vision.
 
This seems pretty tonedeaf. Criticism is not made any less valid by being unable to formulate a fully complete and functional plan to enact real methodical change. Kind of like expecting every art critic to be a full fledged artist himself. I'm honestly not surprised the BLM protesters are incapable of formulating a magical "fix-all" plan for a very complex and hard to solve problem and I don't know why that's being expected of them. Protesters are not lawmakers nor should that ever be expected of them.

What are you talking about?
 
And what exactly is Barrack Obama doing to combat racial inequality and murderous unaccountable police officers?

Its alright him saying 'be patient', BUT WHAT ARE YOU ACTUALLY DOING MR. OBAMA?
 
Occupy Wall Street changed a lot. The very 1% / 99% language came from it, and is now mainstream. Heck, Bernie might not even be running if it hadn't been for the movement. The language has completely changed as result of OWS. Things like the Panama papers, Picketty, etc., every day now we hear about these issues. Without OWS it would be subdued if not irrelevant, but since then people frame these issues more easily in their minds. You need movements to change language and perception.

BLM will do the same in the end, and it will be remembered like OWS, as a group that didn't manage to reach its goal, but the reality will be that the mainstream language will have changed, and when that happens is precisely when these groups begin to vanish: it goes from protest to systemic, so the persistent protests are no longer needed, the issue is carried on its own.
 
And what exactly is Barrack Obama doing to combat racial inequality and murderous unaccountable police officers?

Its alright him saying 'be patient', BUT WHAT ARE YOU ACTUALLY DOING MR. OBAMA?

What can he do besides talk about it? The President has next to zero power over domestic policy.
 
Obama just continues his horrible dialogue with black community and race issues, no surprise here.

The arrest of that professor and the fallout from his comments has forever made him shy on race issues and not worth listening to.

Yes, Obama has become a shrinking violet on black issues. Listen to this tripe:

Once activists get access to people in power, Obama said, they have a “responsibility to prepare an agenda that is achievable.”

“Too often what I see is wonderful activism that highlights a problem, but then people feel so passionately and are so invested in the purity of their position that they never take that next step and say ‘OK, well now I gotta sit down and try to actually get something done,’” he said.

The fuck? There's no compromise on "don't kill us" and "if you do kill us, we want the investigation to be handled by a truly fair and impartial party". Literally the concrete only progress that's been made so far is with body cameras. The feds are paying for departments to get them, at least in part. Our department is outfitting all patrol officers with them next year, for instance. Body cameras are not enough, however. There have been awful killings captured on body camera and still no indictment for officers. The only reason why you even see body cameras out there is that they have been used to exonerate cops; it's mostly just appeasement.

There's no room for compromise here. I agree that our message could be more consistent, and protesters need to enunciate what they want rather than just screaming, but at it's core there's no room for negotiation.
 
And what exactly is Barrack Obama doing to combat racial inequality and murderous unaccountable police officers?

Its alright him saying 'be patient', BUT WHAT ARE YOU ACTUALLY DOING MR. OBAMA?

He's brought up the issue plenty of times. But what can he do besides talk about it? I'm sure he's working with various people in congress on this issue. He also has the job of being President as well. So his time is split between many different issues as well.
 
Yes, Obama has become a shrinking violet on black issues. Listen to this tripe:





The fuck? There's no compromise on "don't kill us" and "if you do kill us, we want the investigation to be handled by a truly fair and impartial party". Literally the concrete only progress that's been made so far is with body cameras. The feds are paying for departments to get them, at least in part. Our department is outfitting all patrol officers with them next year, for instance. Body cameras are not enough, however. There have been awful killings captured on body camera and still no indictment for officers. The only reason why you even see body cameras out there is that they have been used to exonerate cops; it's mostly just appeasement.

There's no room for compromise here. I agree that our message could be more consistent, and protesters need to enunciate what they want rather than just screaming, but at it's core there's no room for negotiation.

He's not talking about compromise, he's talking about being able to point to something and say "do this" once you're at the table. The whole point of protest is to get a seat at the table, once you're there you need policy proposals to implement.
 
He's brought up the issue plenty of times. But what can he do besides talk about it? I'm sure he's working with various people in congress on this issue. He also has the job of being President as well. So his time is split between many different issues as well.

Isn't he in charge of the executive branch? Which includes the Justice Department and the FBI? Don't the feds have jurisdiction over instances where a citizen's civil rights have been trampled?

Obama could have every single police shooting investigated by federal agents, if he chose. He has not done so, instead cherrypicking a few high-profile cases. It's an abject failure on his part.
 
He's not talking about compromise, he's talking about being able to point to something and say "do this" once you're at the table. The whole point of protest is to get a seat at the table, once you're there you need policy proposals to implement.

When he says that we need to not focus on purity of position, and instead focus on "getting things done", he is absolutely talking about compromise.
 
"Now, I believe that the Black Lives Matter movement has made salient points and advanced admirably into the public eye, promoting a discussion, but in the interest of not allowing the continental United States to turn into Atlantis through cumulative white tears, I will concede that this will require effort on everyone's part, and has to allow the phase of discussion to become action in order to reach a lasting conclusion."

"YOU SEE? If I just jumble the words around a bit, it becomes excruciatingly clear that Obama's telling You People™ to pull up your pants if you want us to take you seriously! I mean, how do you expect anyone to empathize with the idea that lives matter when you're committing hypothetical genocide blocking up those bridges and stealing all those white jobs?"
 
Isn't he in charge of the executive branch? Which includes the Justice Department and the FBI? Don't the feds have jurisdiction over instances where a citizen's civil rights have been trampled?

Obama could have every single police shooting investigated by federal agents, if he chose. He has not done so, instead cherrypicking a few high-profile cases. It's an abject failure on his part.

And hasn't that happened? That said what he's saying isn't wrong. Once you get a seat at the table you need to an agenda and a roadmap. What can we do now? Civil Rights movement didn't happen overnight. That shit took years. This will unfortunately take time as well. Legislation and policy take time and for us you know damn well we need to make sure we get it right considering how many agencies and groups are already against us.


It starts with voting. Vote out these prosecutors that don't charge these officers etc.
 
That's kind of fucked. All they're asking for is equality, which, under the law, is already supposed to exist.

What's fucked about what he said? He's saying oncet they have people's attention they should state what should be done. We've seen multiple times when BLM activists are actually given a "platform" or chance to actually speak with a politician and just continue yelling.

That's not compromise like the author strangely interpreted it, that's just common sense
 
The OP didn't quote the event that appears to have triggered these comments-
Black Lives Matter activists met with Obama at the White House in February and the president praised their “degree of focus and seriousness and constructiveness.” But not everyone was happy with the meeting. Aislinn Pulley, co-founder of Black Lives Matter Chicago, did not attend and called it a “sham,” writing in a column that attending would only “legitimize the false narrative that the government is working to end police brutality and the institutional racism that fuels it.”

Obama, who began his career as a community organizer, has frequently spoken about social change as something that comes gradually through the hard work of multiple generations. He often points to a quote linked to Martin Luther King Jr. and the abolitionist Theodore Parker that “the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.”

Obama added that he often sees activists who are good at drawing attention to an issue but are unwilling to compromise at all.

“Too often what I see is wonderful activism that highlights a problem, but then people feel so passionately and are so invested in the purity of their position that they never take that next step and say ‘OK, well now I gotta sit down and try to actually get something done,’” he said.
Someone literally turned down an audience with the president because they thought it would be a waste of time.

If you think any meeting will be a waste of time, then you're not protesting to actually affect change, but to vent anger over and over again.
When he says that we need to not focus on purity of position, and instead focus on "getting things done", he is absolutely talking about compromise.
Obama is an incrementalist.
 
There was a case a week or two back where BLM protesters got invited to a meeting and didn't go, they protested it instead. It's not only BLM either Occupy was shit in this regard too. When you get offered a seat at the table you should take it because it means people are listening.

That's irrelevant to the implication that policy suggestion wasn't offered.

The OP didn't quote the event that appears to have triggered these comments-

Someone literally turned down an audience with the president because they thought it would be a waste of time.

If you think any meeting will be a waste of time, then you're not protesting to actually affect change, but to vent anger over and over again.
At the same time many other BLM activist DID meet with the president. Also it was turned down by those activists because they thought it would amount to nothing more than a photo op
 
At the same time many other BLM activist DID meet with the president.

Well then clearly this doesn't apply to them...but there are some who have refused invitations to meet or haven't actually used their opportunity to present anything other than reiterating the issue. No one is saying a bunch of activists should have all the answers to a hugely complex, deeply ingrained systemic discrimination machine, but they should at least have suggestions. Thoughts. Opinions on what could be done
 
Well then clearly this doesn't apply to them...but there are some who have refused invitations to meet or haven't actually used their opportunity to present anything other than reiterating the issue. No one is saying a bunch of activists should have all the answers to a hugely complex, deeply ingrained systemic discrimination machine, but they should at least have suggestions. Thoughts. Opinions on what could be done
They do in fact as I posted before
 
At the same time many other BLM activist DID meet with the president. Also it was turned down by those activists because they thought it would amount to nothing more than a photo op
And that's a self-defeating attitude that will lead to nothing being achieved from that subsection of activists.
 
And that's a self-defeating attitude that will lead to nothing being achieved from that subsection of activists.
I don't disagree with that but it seems silly to say that they are actively harming their movement they're actively pushing because they simply don't wanna smile and shake hands with the president.
 
I don't disagree with that but it seems silly to say that they are actively harming their movement they're actively pushing because they simply don't wanna smile and shake hands with the president.

He [Obama] didn't even imply that. People are extrapolating like crazy from the few quoted sentences he stated

Edit: You were responding to the poster. Nevermind
 
He's isn't saying compromise on the change you want to see.

He's just cautioning that yelling at people incessantly tends to polarize the discussion and sway moderates away from you. You need to take what you can get, without resorting to needlessly combative rhetoric that accomplishes nothing productive.

The moderates don't give a shit about change. They are cool with how things are.
 
Most of the times when people espouse this sentiment that activists need to learn to compromise it's very patronizing: civil rights activists are the most pragmatic types of people. When activists try to get policies, they do not just waltz up to the state office and say "don't treat us citizens like shit because that is morally wrong". If that worked racism wouldn't exist to begin with and the activists that petition governments know this. Instead, they always have launch multiple avenues of attacks using policies that seem tangentially (if that) related. Trying to paint any picture of "they just like to yell" is just disingenuous and a bit disgraceful.

Specifically, it isn't (perhaps I should not simply) saying "don't allow these companies to expand in this area because it would royally fuck the black community living there" (this is the message they will send to the community/media to get community support), but it's "there's an ecologically important species in this region and construction would endanger it" or "this community's founding is of historical significance and should be preserved", etc... (I use these examples because the most recent documentary that I watched was Come Hell or High Water )

Activists have to sacrifice their careers, health, and lifestyles in a never ending campaign to find obscure policies that could be bent to their cause, and it seems to me, that trying to teach them about pragmatism and compromise - when they already know it- is just fucked up.
 
Most of the times when people espouse this sentiment that activists need to learn to compromise it's very patronizing: civil rights activists are the most pragmatic types of people. When activists try to get policies, they do not just waltz up to the state office and say "don't treat us citizens like shit because that is morally wrong". If that worked racism wouldn't exist to begin with and the activists that petition governments know this. Instead, they always have launch multiple avenues of attacks using policies that seem tangentially (if that) related. Trying to paint any picture of "they just like to yell" is just disingenuous and a bit disgraceful.

Specifically, it isn't (perhaps I should not simply) saying "don't allow these companies to expand in this area because it would royally fuck the black community living there" (this is the message they will send to the community/media to get community support), but it's "there's an ecologically important species in this region and construction would endanger it" or "this community's founding is of historical significance and should be preserved", etc... (I use these examples because the most recent documentary that I watched was Come Hell or High Water )

Activists have to sacrifice their careers, health, and lifestyles in a never ending campaign to find obscure policies that could be bent to their cause, and it seems to me, that trying to teach them about pragmatism and compromise - when they already know it- is just fucked up.

Eh... thanks for typing all of that up. But did you actually read what Obama said, or just read the shitty Huffington Post summary?
 
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