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[dhonk]

Yup.

The fact that 8th graders were involved is sfucked up as well. I mean, people were getting their dicks sucked/pussies fingered/having sex and shit when I was in middle/high school, but no one was collecting pictures and passing them around. That's super fucking dangerous.

they would have been if they had todays tech tbh

(that said dunno when you went to school. when I was in eighth kids had flip phones with cameras. stuff got weird with those, but not to this level)

 

[DJKhaled]

being a parent nowadays is scary

No more scary than it was decades ago, if anything it's much less scary, less alcohol use, less violence, less bullying, more acceptance for LGBTQ, things look pretty sweet for kids these days.

 

[Stet]

I don't don't believe that it's the correct action to basically end a bunch of peoples lives before they are even 18 because of some naked pictures. You give them sex offender status and their lives are basically over before they even graduated high school. I generally believe that minors should have more leeway to recover from bad decisions.

They already do. That's why they're not accused of grooming or sexual exploitation.

 

[jellies_two]

This isn't newsworthy. This is literally every school in the country.

That's correct
Snapchat is huge partly because of it.
This isn't the first time perhaps it got a bit out of hand but I bet it happens in almost every school to some extent.
And as said by someone else Up topic it is a high tech version of show me yours I will show you mine which happens even among 8 year olds. Give them all cellphones and apps and of course they will use them to play that game.
At some point the older and more, um, manipulative kids are going to leverage this situation because everything is amplified by the tech. I don't see any solution other than eduction for those that want to listen. you can't raise the sexual awareness age to the drinking age by force or criminalising it. Teens are getting put on sex offender registries for life for stuff with kids of the same age it's insanity.

 

[Stet]

That's correct
Snapchat is huge partly because of it.
This isn't the first time perhaps it got a bit out of hand but I bet it happens in almost every school to some extent.
And as said by someone else Up topic it is a high tech version of show me yours I will show you mine which happens even among 8 year olds. Give them all cellphones and apps and of course they will use them to play that game.
At some point the older and more, um, manipulative kids are going to leverage this situation because everything is amplified by the tech. I don't see any solution other than eduction for those that want to listen. you can't raise the sexual awareness age to the drinking age by force or criminalising it. Teens are getting put on sex offender registries for life for stuff with kids of the same age it's insanity.

Adults get put on the sex offender registry for revenge porn as well. Surprise surprise.

 

[Jack The Nipper]

I can practically guarantee that every parent is mad at the school and every child involved - aside from their own.

Working in childcare has taught me that 95% of parents hate taking responsibility for what their children do. No matter what age they are.

I can belittling even though it lacks understanding.

If your kid isn't to blame why are others.

 

[Konka]

They already do. That's why they're not accused of grooming or sexual exploitation.

So what do you think should happen? What do you think will cause them to change their minds without royally fucking over their lives?

 

[TickleMeElbow]

they would have been if they had todays tech tbh

(that said dunno when you went to school. when I was in eighth kids had flip phones with cameras. stuff got weird with those, but not to this level)

You're right.

It's still disturbing. I mean 12 year olds?

 

[Stet]

So what do you think should happen? What do you think will cause them to change their minds without royally fucking over their lives?

Isn't that what generally happens in most cases? If kids fuck up enough, we expel them from school. If they fuck up worse, they go to juvenile hall. If they fuck up the most, they get charged as adults. All of these fuck up their lives to some extent.

Just because this is a sexual crime that disturbingly isn't considered much of a big deal among some people doesn't make it different.

 

[brokenbeans]

It's the same way it's always been, kids wanna act like adults and do the 'fun' things adults are allowed to do and they don't give a shit about the consequences and they shouldn't.

 

[AGITΩ]

I mean, you start putting cameras and Internet in the access of kids, its bound to happen. If the tech we have now was available way back when we were in like middle school, it would be a semilar scenario. I bet over half any public school will have a similar situation.

 

[SolarMystic]

I can practically guarantee that every parent is mad at the school and every child involved - aside from their own.

Working in childcare has taught me that 95% of parents hate taking responsibility for what their children do. No matter what age they are.

I agree. This is a failure of proper parenting, they should be mad at themselves. Not the schools fault.

Maybe more parents will be more cautious with throwing smartphones at their children to do with as they please. Perhaps educate their children on the dangers of privacy with technology and social media.

 

[XOMTOR]

Except that in the instance where the child chooses to be influenced, for better or worse, against their parents wishes, it's them simply making a decision that may or may not be a mistake. No amount of parenting is going to guard against everything they deem to be a mistake. To set the standards of success and failure there is absurdly unrealistic.

That's not being influenced, that's a conscious decision. If the wrong decision is made, then they need to know from an early age that there will be consequences.

Whether it's doing drugs, driving under the influence or sharing naked photos of themselves and others, it's something most parents have time to plan for. There's plenty of time to lay the proper foundation so that most of these things can be avoided. Sure, I concede that everyone makes mistakes and that no child is perfect, but you can teach your child to know what will and won't be tolerated.

You're not going to convince me that one young adult's behavior being different from another is based on luck. There will always be outside influences but as a parent, you need to be vigilant and recognize these things and engage with your child at all times to ensure these influences do not take hold. Basically you need to be like Agent Smith; see everything, hear everything, know everything, and anticipate everything. So essentially, put down your own iPhone, get off Facebook and YouTube for a while and devote more time to your kid. Oh and Netflix Kids or video games all weekend is not parenting, it's pacification.

Complete bullshit mate, let's be honest.

Me and my brother were raised the exact same, exact he is easily more influenced by others than I am. Fell into the wrong crowd at school, etc etc

Has more to do with personality.

You and your brother sound just like my two nephews; one is strong minded and doesn't care what anyone thinks, the other is pretty much a follower. My sister and brother-in-law swear they were raised the same but from the outside, there were subtle differences that myself, my father and mother all recognize. Also, humans aren't born with a personality.

I can practically guarantee that every parent is mad at the school and every child involved - aside from their own.

Working in childcare has taught me that 95% of parents hate taking responsibility for what their children do. No matter what age they are.

Truth, they hate it even more when they're made aware of such.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

I'm okay with punishing kids who spread nude images of someone else without their consent. Not okay with charging a kid with child pornography because they sexted someone or someone sexted them.

The sheer scale of this makes things... very tricky. I can't imagine this is only staying within their circle. I also can't imagine all of the kids involved consented to having their pictures mass circulated, and if they did... well dang. Hope those in charge handle this well; I don't know what I'd do in the same situation.

I don't think a minor can legally consent to having nudes taken. Even of themselves! It's ridiculous, but I don't think the kids saying "I wanted to do it" or "I didn't want them shared" has any bearing in a court of law. Which is why such a thing should never go to court.

 

[sturmdogg]

It's incidents like this that made me glad there was no internet yet when I was young and stupid.

 

[Consumer]

Same thing happened at my school, albeit to a lesser extent. Most of my friends had nudes, and most of those pics were of girls they'd never/rarely talked to.

It's the girls' faults, honestly. If you're gonna trade your innocence just for a guy's approval/satisfaction, you pretty much deserve whatever comes next. At least cover up your face, ffs.

I saw that "BRB using imagination cause no pics" gif....

I suppose it got deleted, but thanks for the laugh. That's both the most appropriate & inappropriate use of that gif I've ever heard of/seen.

Members of the high school football team, the Cañon City Tigers, were at the center of the sexting ring

:lol
Some things never change.

 

[perfectchaos007]

That's correct
Snapchat is huge partly because of it.
This isn't the first time perhaps it got a bit out of hand but I bet it happens in almost every school to some extent.
And as said by someone else Up topic it is a high tech version of show me yours I will show you mine which happens even among 8 year olds. Give them all cellphones and apps and of course they will use them to play that game.
At some point the older and more, um, manipulative kids are going to leverage this situation because everything is amplified by the tech. I don't see any solution other than eduction for those that want to listen. you can't raise the sexual awareness age to the drinking age by force or criminalising it. Teens are getting put on sex offender registries for life for stuff with kids of the same age it's insanity.

I don't think adults will ever truly grasp how common it is for teens to send nudes of themselves accross Snapchat. It's a gamechanger in the sense that all records of the nude being sent and viewed are deleted as soon as it has been viewed so its impossible for authorities to track. Yes a screensave is possible, but when someone screensaves a pic on Snapchat, it notifies the sender so the sender can deal with the person who saved the picture by asking him/her to delete it or if they refuse then they know to never send that untrustworthy person a nude again.

But yeah I'm pretty sure this is the new standard for sending nudes on highschool campuses across the country since teens who were on the fence of sending their girlfriend/boyfriend a nude because they were afraid it could come back to haunt them in the future, they feel a sense of safety and security by sending it over this app.

If there are any current highschoolers out there that want to back me up on this or tell me nah that isn't occurring feel free!

 

[Walpurgis]

Complete bullshit mate, let's be honest.

Me and my brother were raised the exact same, exact he is easily more influenced by others than I am. Fell into the wrong crowd at school, etc etc

Has more to do with personality.

Same. I have a sister raised similarly to the rest of us (actually, she was given the most leadership roles and responsibilities). However, she was also easily influenced by others and caused problems from when she was in preschool and to this very day. Some people are simply predisposed to trouble.

 

[Cloyster]

Bet that sure went over well. Especially with the parents of the "Other" kids.



Pretty sure this was already an SVU episode in the last season or two.

But I could see a movie of this, if it was on a GRAND scale.

And at the center of it, a single mom's daughter...

played by...

Sandra Bullock.

 

[Nivash]

[...]

You're not going to convince me that one young adult's behavior being different from another is based on luck. There will always be outside influences but as a parent, you need to be vigilant and recognize these things and engage with your child at all times to ensure these influences do not take hold. Basically you need to be like Agent Smith; see everything, hear everything, know everything, and anticipate everything.

[...]

You and your brother sound just like my two nephews; one is strong minded and doesn't care what anyone thinks, the other is pretty much a follower. My sister and brother-in-law swear they were raised the same but from the outside, there were subtle differences that myself, my father and mother all recognize. Also, humans aren't born with a personality.

[...]

That just isn't true at all, children see very much born with innate personality traits stemming from physiological and developmental factors. The blank slate hypothesis was disproved long ago. Even if you take two children and raise them in clinically identical environments they're still going to develop into very different people.

Additionally, while the nature vs nurture debate isn't settled there is growing evidence that parents do not influence their children's upbringing anywhere near as much as they think. Outside factors - including above else the culture of the society - seems to play a much greater role. Some researchers even suggest that peer influence, especially during adolescence, can completely overrule parental influence.

 

[Cloyster]

You're not going to convince me that one young adult's behavior being different from another is based on luck. There will always be outside influences but as a parent, you need to be vigilant and recognize these things and engage with your child at all times to ensure these influences do not take hold. Basically you need to be like Agent Smith; see everything, hear everything, know everything, and anticipate everything. So essentially, put down your own iPhone, get off Facebook and YouTube for a while and devote more time to your kid. Oh and Netflix Kids or video games all weekend is not parenting, it's pacification.

Literally impossible to know and parent every single thing your children do, unless you want them to hate you.

And even then, they still go to school and interact with people outside of your watch. There will ALWAYS be things a child will do that the parent will never ever see.

 

[Greddleok]

T Also, humans aren't born with a personality.

Yes we are. Maybe not what you mean by personality, but likes/dislikes, fears, susceptibility to stress and more are often programmed during development. Environment has huge impacts, but don't discount genetics and epigenetics. They both play huge parts.

 

[Phyranion]

When are the parents going to take charge? When I was young, I sat inside playing computer games. This generation is doomed.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

I never understood this obsession with taking nude photos of yourself

Is it really that hard to understand?

Yes.

Digital cameras and the internet existed when I was in high school 15 years ago. I always thought you'd have to be completely out of your mind to willingly distribute anything you didn't want the whole world to see.

 

[PHOENIXZERO]

Yeah, this sort of thing at one level of another has been going on since at least the invention of Polaroid cameras even aside from that idiots would take film to get developed. But the modern version of it has been happening for a long time since at least the late 90s and into the early 2000s when webcams really became a thing. Cameras becoming cheaper and cheaper with everyone having a phone equipped with one has made it a lot more wide spread and easier to be an impulsive idiot doing something that could ruin your life.

Giving a kid or teenager access to a camera (or computer for that matter) without any supervision is just a bad idea in general.

 

[……forgetit]

Teacher was being naive. Of course your child may make mistakes but the trick is to ensure they learn from them and that there is proper punishment levied. I wasn't a complete angel growing up but I was pretty damn straight compared to most. I love and respect both of my parents to this day but they were stern and I knew that there would be consequences if I royally screwed up. (My mother was a bit like an old catholic nun: fair and loving but at the same time, just.) I never did any type of drugs or got into any trouble with the law for two reasons: fear of reprimand but mostly fear of losing their respect; I always wanted to make my parents proud.

It's seriously not that simple. You can raise to kids the exact same way and one can turn out like you and the other could resent your parents and do as much behind their backs as they can. There is no right way to parent because every child is different, even if their twins.

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

Yeah, this sort of thing at one level of another has been going on since at least the invention of Polaroid cameras even aside from that idiots would take film to get developed. But the modern version of it has been happening for a long time since at least the late 90s and into the early 2000s when webcams really became a thing. Cameras becoming cheaper and cheaper with everyone having a phone equipped with one has made it a lot more wide spread and easier to be an impulsive idiot doing something that could ruin your life.

Giving a kid or teenager access to a camera (or computer for that matter) without any supervision is just a bad idea in general.

This. Kids are stupid and make bad uninformed decisions, thats why they're kids for the first 18 years of their life.

 

[Kar]

At least they kept the pictures among themselves and didnt post them on the internet.
I hope.

 

[acrid]

This. Kids are stupid and make bad uninformed decisions, thats why they're kids for the first 18 years of their life.

I know some "kids" that are well into their late 20's

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

I know some "kids" that are well into their late 20's

Well, 'kids' as in under the age of 18.

 

[hodayathink]

I don't think a minor can legally consent to having nudes taken. Even of themselves! It's ridiculous, but I don't think the kids saying "I wanted to do it" or "I didn't want them shared" has any bearing in a court of law. Which is why such a thing should never go to court.

That's what prosecutorial discretion is for. This more than likely isn't a "you charge everyone or you charge no one" situation. I agree with you in general, but what's been presented in this case makes it looks like there were people collecting these pictures en masse and trading them with other people, and there are/were ringleaders.

 

[PillarEN]

This can't be a serious post. Why is this generation doomed exactly?

Because now they are playing smartphone games. Hmph.

All I can say is teens/adults don't send nudes. It's not worth it. Hopefully you're dealing with someone who won't share them with the world but people get angry/want to show off/are inconsiderate/don't think things through. Just think of the Brett Favre dick pick...actually don't think about the actual pic but the moral behind the story.

 

[Hoho for breakfast]

Maybe they could use it as an opportunity to fix some laws that are worse than anything going on at this random high school.

 

[Ecto311]

Wow shit first time seeing this thread since I have been working a lot. I live 7 minutes out of Canon. I hear people talking about this all the time but read very little so far online about it. People seem to be more amped we are on fox and cnbc than what is actually happening. Lots of people around me are either involved or know someone who is.

 

[Hoho for breakfast]

Wow shit first time seeing this thread since I have been working a lot. I live 7 minutes out of Canon. I hear people talking about this all the time but read very little so far online about it. People seem to be more amped we are on fox and cnbc than what is actually happening. Lots of people around me are either involved or know someone who is.

What are people saying/feeling about it? Is it like a kids will be kids type thing or do they want to single certain kids' parents out as the problem or what? Any idea what the kids' take on this is?

I mean the only time I'd be upset about it is when the photos end up online or people are unknowingly having pics taken or something like that. Otherwise to me it's just kind of a kids will be kids situation.

 

[Netherscourge]

High School Football Team at the center of the whole thing.

I guess the football program is just about done.

Hopefully they put the money toward music and art programs instead.

 

[Netherscourge]

Wait, if they are all under 18, does this mean they all have to register as sex offenders since they have child pornography on their phones?

 

[entremet]

High School Football Team at the center of the whole thing.

I guess the football program is just about done.

Hopefully they put the money toward music and art programs instead.

I seriously doubt this. Football teams in small towns are religions.

The games are important civic and community building events in small towns.

Wait, if they are all under 18, does this mean they all have to register as sex offenders since they have child pornography on their phones?

Only if the prosecutor decides to go that route. Signs point to no.

 

[andymcc]

High School Football Team at the center of the whole thing.

I guess the football program is just about done.

Hopefully they put the money toward music and art programs instead.

did that stop stuebenville?

 

[……forgetit]

This. Kids are stupid and make bad uninformed decisions, thats why they're kids for the first 18 years of their life.

That said kids will have access to cameras early in life. They have to do homework on computers, and all laptops have cameras these days. The way I see it it's best to just monitor your child's use of technology and not just limit their use of tech.

 

[Ecto311]

What are people saying/feeling about it? Is it like a kids will be kids type thing or do they want to single certain kids' parents out as the problem or what? Any idea what the kids' take on this is?

I mean the only time I'd be upset about it is when the photos end up online or people are unknowingly having pics taken or something like that. Otherwise to me it's just kind of a kids will be kids situation.

First thing I heard was people excited/pissed that we were all over the tv because of dick pics. Then people are spreading all kinds of dumb ass info concerning the app and how they can hide the app and pics in a calculator. "Just type 1984# then it opens the pictures" heard that last night at work.

The kids in the area seem to be shitting their pants and kinda amped to be all over the news too. I don't think they fully understand the shitstorm they are causing. It's a smaller town with a ton of rednecky people who don't fully understand the internet. Most of them downloaded the app because of friends recommendations and have no idea how it all works.

I don't know a ton about it even though I live right in the area where it is all going on. But my inlaws in denver have called us about it as if we are just the epicenter of dickshots. But almost everyone is talking about it. Never heard anything like this aside from the 9/11 or columbine discussions. So we have the ADX and some of the worst prisoners stored here in cement cities and now kids sharing cock shots.

Seems like past generations got away with it and somehow this leaked to people who told someone and bam they are in shit now. I can't imagine being in the middle of something like this as a kid. I am surprised and glad there isn't any suicides over it yet - there have been kids committing suicide here over lesser issues.

 

[Evo Shandor]

The only people outraged by this are 40+. This is how teens use phones now. Don't want your kids sexting? Don't buy them a phone.

This is the real answer. The parents could try actually parenting and educate their children on the dangers of sexting. This is what happens when you chose to A) enable your children by buying smartphones and paying for their services, and B) remaining either blissfully unaware and ignorant of setting culture or not informing your child or doing so but not being dilligent in enforcing your rules.

 

[TyrantII]

DA and Judge needs to rule that all parents of teens sexting must take nudies and distribute then between their children, the school, and themselves immediately. The sheer horror and uncoolness of said action will cause the student body to deem sexing over and the problem is solved.

 

[Frodo]

It's incidents like this that made me glad there was no internet yet when I was young and stupid.

I had internet when I was young and stupid, had ways to take naked pictures of myself (although not as easily as nowadays) but never really sent them to anyone, nor have I been part of a ring of nudes sexting or whatever. I'm also sure there are a lot of kids in that school that were not stupid enough to join this. So maybe we could stop generalising everything. I'm sure there are other kids there that could have done the exact same thing but decided it was better not to.

 

[Cloyster]

DA and Judge needs to rule that all parents of teens sexting must take nudies and distribute then between their children, the school, and themselves immediately. The sheer horror and uncoolness of said action will cause the student body to deem sexing over and the problem is solved.

AHahaha I love this.

I really wish life worked this way.

 

[foxuzamaki]

Because now they are playing smartphone games. Hmph.

All I can say is teens/adults don't send nudes. It's not worth it. Hopefully you're dealing with someone who won't share them with the world but people get angry/want to show off/are inconsiderate/don't think things through. Just think of the Brett Favre dick pick...actually don't think about the actual pic but the moral behind the story.

This is not true

Edit: think I misread your sentence.

 

[Future]

How do you resolve this other than telling kids "don't send nudes", arresting them, or punishing them with detention/suspension? And yes, sharing hundreds of nude photos is definitely different than possessing photos of just one person you're in a relationship with, but you can't selectively prosecute based on that semantic. Either teens sharing nudes is illegal, or it isn't. Coming down hard on just the boys, for example, would be ridiculous and sexist, since it seems half the kids with photos circulating were guys. If I'm a parent and some other parent insists on dragging my kid into court for having their photos, I'm dragging their kid into court for sending them.

The only people outraged by this are 40+. This is how teens use phones now. Don't want your kids sexting? Don't buy them a phone.

Best idea is to decriminalization for people under the age of 18. Of course the parents would never allow that, because the idea that teenagers could have healthy and private sex lives is un-American.

Yup. This is just realities of what happens when you are young. Technology makes it visible. Prudes be damned

People need to realize why child pornography laws exist. Is it to prevent adults from exploiting kids? Is it to protect kids from the horrors of sex?

Kids sexting with no adult involvement should not be a big deal. It's true that some of those pics will end up in adult hands as shit gets passed around, but if this person collects or distributes them then they should be arrested for child pornography. Pretty straight forward unless you are so prudish it want to stop teens from wanting to see boobs

 

[SkeptiMism]

Same thing happened at my school, albeit to a lesser extent. Most of my friends had nudes, and most of those pics were of girls they'd never/rarely talked to.

It's the girls' faults, honestly. If you're gonna trade your innocence just for a guy's approval/satisfaction, you pretty much deserve whatever comes next. At least cover up your face, ffs.

That's some really obnoxious, nasty victim blaming. Absolutely fucked up.

Like sure, it is stupid of the teenagers to send their pictures to anyone, but they're not the wrongdoers. It is naive of them, but simply being naive doesn't mean you did wrong in the sense that you deserve hell for it.

What is absolutely wrong is to share them as a receiver of those pictures. Blame and punish them.

How do you resolve this other than telling kids "don't send nudes", arresting them, or punishing them with detention/suspension? And yes, sharing hundreds of nude photos is definitely different than possessing photos of just one person you're in a relationship with, but you can't selectively prosecute based on that semantic. Either teens sharing nudes is illegal, or it isn't. Coming down hard on just the boys, for example, would be ridiculous and sexist, since it seems half the kids with photos circulating were guys. If I'm a parent and some other parent insists on dragging my kid into court for having their photos, I'm dragging their kid into court for sending them.

The only people outraged by this are 40+. This is how teens use phones now. Don't want your kids sexting? Don't buy them a phone.

Best idea is to decriminalization for people under the age of 18. Of course the parents would never allow that, because the idea that teenagers could have healthy and private sex lives is un-American.

What would happen in Finland is that every person under 15 who was involved and shared pictures without consent would find child protective services involved with their family. Every person 15 or above would also have cops and law involved.

But then again, it's not illegal (at least I'm pretty sure) here for a minor to share their pic to others, and it's not a sentence for life if you commit a crime as a teenager here.