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I am beginning to hate Valve

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Funky Papa

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So, I got HL2 on day one because I love both HL and CS and it was looking like the coolest thing ever. What do I have now?

-A dumb interface that needs some major tweaking
-A God awful steam system that loves my computer resources like a fat kid loves cake
-A controls menu that won't let me bind an action with two different keys unlike HL1
-A serious lack of official CS maps
-A serious lack of CS skins
-A seriously outdated CS that is now about as fresh as pacman

So, what the hell is going on with Valve? Are everybody working on HL2 Xbox and the PC expansion? Maybe swimming in a huge pool of cash money? Why are they letting CS die?

I swear that if Aftermath doesn't deliver I'll snap

/rant off
 
They wanted to reduce piracy and keep the loyal CS people happy with the same game they have been playing for years.

I have a high-end PC so no complaints here, but I could imagine Steam slowing some systems down.

I was not a CS person and still not one now. I purchased this game a week ago and am very pleased with single player.
 
You forgot to mention the shitty friends list. Thank goodness for Xfire and its automatic game joining.
 
Veni, Vidi, VALVEd.

Valve did what they had to do: release an amazing sequel to Half-Life, a game that won countless awards.
Now they will be sitting on their laurels doing nothing (aka developing Half-Life 3) till it rolls out in 2008-09.

Expectations are already very high.

Everything else - CS, Aftermath, DoD etc. are just fillers.
 
Valve is also handling the expansion in house. Which means most of them are probably dedicated to that. Looking forward to it.....
 
I started playing the game today and I have two things to say
Good work on the loading times, Valve. I really like waiting 30~ seconds between each 5 minute session of another part of a monotonous route of puzzles! I know it will get better, but why was Valve so coy about showing the engine on the first hour of the game?
And why the hell is the framerate so unstable? I'm not talking about the parts of 6-7 enemies, I understand that's choking my PC. Why, when I'm walking a STRIGHT ROUTE, with no enemies, does the FPS decide to dip to the 10insh FPS zone? Is there a way to fix the drops? I hate unstable FPS, let alone unplayable ones :\

Oh, and I know the post makes it sound like I hate the game, but it's because it's good I'm angry about the loading times.
 
Mrbob said:
I finished Half Life 2.

I didn't finish Half Life.

I much prefer Half Life 2. :)
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Similar to me, but I did finish Half-Life.

Not to say Half-Life is a piece of crap, it is a great game, but if I were given a choice between the two, I'd play Half-Life 2.
 
Anybody here give two craps about XBox HL2? It's clearly the inferior version, but I think I'll check it out. I haven't played the PC version, mine can't handle it.
 
aren't you angry about the (lack of) AI ?
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Yes, but unfortunately that was a design error, not something that can be patched online like the things I pointed previously.

And now I have two questions for you GAF: Where can I find some good weapon models/explosions? Is there a training map out there? I has passed some time since the last time I played and now I'm quite rusty, I'd like to test those weapons again.
 
I think a few people need to get the fuck off their high horses.

Valve one of the few companies that has CONSITENTLY released games of an amazing calibre. Half Life 1 & 2, Day of Defeat, Team Fortress have all been totally fucking amazing.

Coupled with the fact that your original Half Life 1 cdkey gave you access to nearly all of those, plus counterstrike, plus others, FOR NOTHING. Stop complaining about Valve, they have done the hard yards, and they didn't sell out and try and charge you for all those extra hours of fun you had, most companies would have.

You should see what I got for $49.95 from Valve, via steam.

· Half-Life 2 (worth the $49.95 alone)
· Counter-Strike: Source
· Half-Life: Source
· Half-Life 2: Deathmatch
· Day of Defeat: Source
· Half-Life
· Counter-Strike
· Counter-Strike: Condition Zero
· Counter-Strike: Deleted Scenes
· Day of Defeat
· Team Fortress Classic
· Deathmatch Classic
· Opposing Force
· Ricochet

Name one other developer out there where for $10 more you can have their ENTIRE back catalogue of work delivered to your computer via the internet. Oh yeah, I also got a copy of the Source engine, with all developer tools for free, so I can go make my own game if I like. FOR FREE.

So stop moaning, and get on your fucking knees already.
 
It's great that Valve provided the environment for all the popular HL mods, and it's great that the community created and revised them in the first place.

But really, Valve has developed and released two games.

Burger said:
for $10 more you can have their ENTIRE back catalogue of work delivered to your computer via the internet.
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Yeah, so Half-Life 1 can actaully pause while loading a map transition, like it was 1998, while Steam checks that data.

Steam is a big goddamn inconvenience. Half-Life 2 and every other Valve "released" game is worse off because of it.


I'm far from hating them, but my blind faith in Valve has been erased by Steam and Half-Life 2.

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Burger said:
I think a few people need to get the fuck off their high horses.

Valve one of the few companies that has CONSITENTLY released games of an amazing calibre. Half Life 1 & 2, Day of Defeat, Team Fortress have all been totally fucking amazing.

Coupled with the fact that your original Half Life 1 cdkey gave you access to nearly all of those, plus counterstrike, plus others, FOR NOTHING. Stop complaining about Valve, they have done the hard yards, and they didn't sell out and try and charge you for all those extra hours of fun you had, most companies would have.

You should see what I got for $49.95 from Valve, via steam.

· Half-Life 2 (worth the $49.95 alone)
· Counter-Strike: Source
· Half-Life: Source
· Half-Life 2: Deathmatch
· Day of Defeat: Source
· Half-Life
· Counter-Strike
· Counter-Strike: Condition Zero
· Counter-Strike: Deleted Scenes
· Day of Defeat
· Team Fortress Classic
· Deathmatch Classic
· Opposing Force
· Ricochet

Name one other developer out there where for $10 more you can have their ENTIRE back catalogue of work delivered to your computer via the internet. Oh yeah, I also got a copy of the Source engine, with all developer tools for free, so I can go make my own game if I like. FOR FREE.

So stop moaning, and get on your fucking knees already.
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Sincerely,

Gabe Newell
 
Jesus christ, I got the collector's box of Half-Life 2 that comes with the graphical remake of the original Half-Life called Half-Life: Source. Having never played either, I finished both, one after the other and all I can say is, Half-Life 2 isn't half the game Half Life 1 is. HL2 was repedative, boring, with alot less enemy variety, alot less guns, no swimming, NO puzzles (that I know of), the characters sucked (except for the dr brian), it had NO bosses, (NOT EVEN A LAST BOSS), the ending was even more terrible and if it wasn't for the gravity gun, it would have put me to sleep.
 
Burger said:
I think a few people need to get the fuck off their high horses.

Valve one of the few companies that has CONSITENTLY released games of an amazing calibre. Half Life 1 & 2, Day of Defeat, Team Fortress have all been totally fucking amazing.

Coupled with the fact that your original Half Life 1 cdkey gave you access to nearly all of those, plus counterstrike, plus others, FOR NOTHING. Stop complaining about Valve, they have done the hard yards, and they didn't sell out and try and charge you for all those extra hours of fun you had, most companies would have.

You should see what I got for $49.95 from Valve, via steam.

· Half-Life 2 (worth the $49.95 alone)
· Counter-Strike: Source
· Half-Life: Source
· Half-Life 2: Deathmatch
· Day of Defeat: Source
· Half-Life
· Counter-Strike
· Counter-Strike: Condition Zero
· Counter-Strike: Deleted Scenes
· Day of Defeat
· Team Fortress Classic
· Deathmatch Classic
· Opposing Force
· Ricochet

Name one other developer out there where for $10 more you can have their ENTIRE back catalogue of work delivered to your computer via the internet. Oh yeah, I also got a copy of the Source engine, with all developer tools for free, so I can go make my own game if I like. FOR FREE.

So stop moaning, and get on your fucking knees already.
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Amen, brother. It's one of the best values I've EVER seen for PC gaming or even gaming in general. HL2 is a ridiculously awesome game and the Steam collection is the only PC gaming I do anymore.
 
You should see what I got for $49.95 from Valve, via steam.

· Half-Life 2 (worth the $49.95 alone)
· Counter-Strike: Source
· Half-Life: Source
(not included in the 49.99 bronze package.)
· Half-Life 2: Deathmatch
· Day of Defeat: Source
(not included in the 49.99 bronze package.)
· Half-Life
(thanks for the old game everyone already owns I guess.)
· Counter-Strike
(thanks for the mod that is available free online I guess.)
· Counter-Strike: Condition Zero
· Counter-Strike: Deleted Scenes
(no thanks, you can keep those.)
· Day of Defeat
· Team Fortress Classic
(wow, they're really generous with the free mods!)
· Deathmatch Classic
· Opposing Force
· Ricochet
(you don't play this. Seriously, just admit you never play ricochet.)
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What a bargain!
 
steam is a complete piece of shit. How hard is it to get a buddy list to work? They just completely gave up on all of the issues steam has and pretend that they arent FORCING users to use a broken interface.
 
I don´t have Half Life 2 (I´m waiting for my new GF 7800 powered beast), but I can say I love Steam and hope the idea goes well and is used by others because I believe it would be great for developers and users.
 
You either love Steam or hate Steam.

I'm glad I'm the former. HL2 runs amazingly well for me, quick loading, no stuttering, I've never had to patch my games, I get weekly Valve news. I can't see why I wouldn't love it.

Steams multiplayer interface is much much better than some games, BF2 for instance.

Compared to other games, it just seems like everyone is a bit too 'I want this, give this to me, why haven't I got this'.
 
I love Steam's idea, I just hate its implementation. I realize that it is going to be the holy grail for struggling developers like Ritual but it is a damn shame at this point, really buggy and power hungry.

I'm glad I'm the former. HL2 runs amazingly well for me, quick loading, no stuttering, I've never had to patch my games, I get weekly Valve news. I can't see why I wouldn't love it.

Steams multiplayer interface is much much better than some games, BF2 for instance.

Compared to other games, it just seems like everyone is a bit too 'I want this, give this to me, why haven't I got this'.
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I don't have major problems unlike other people but it is enough rough to piss me off from time to time. It is not like I want everything in a game and a bag of chips, but after the sheer awesomeness that was HL I think that everybody was expecting much more from all these years of work... And doing something better than BF2's interface is actually an easy task =P (man, it does stink)
 
Date of Lies said:
. HL2 was repedative, boring, with alot less enemy variety, alot less guns, no swimming, NO puzzles (that I know of), the characters sucked (except for the dr brian), it had NO bosses, (NOT EVEN A LAST BOSS), the ending was even more terrible and if it wasn't for the gravity gun, it would have put me to sleep.
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yeah, i hate FPS's with no swimming! ARG.
 
Funky Papa said:
I don't have major problems unlike other people but it is enough rough to piss me off from time to time. It is not like I want everything in a game and a bag of chips, but after the sheer awesomeness that was HL I think that everybody was expecting much more from all these years of work... And doing something better than BF2's interface is actually an easy task =P (man, it does stink)
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I guess it's just a difference of opinion.

Every time I load up HL2 it amazes me how great it is. It's so much more than cobbled up sci-fi cliches like alot of other games. To me it feels like there is 20 years work in this thing. I think people like myself will look back in 10 years and just say "Wow", I wish there were more games like that around.

I put ICO and Half Life 2 in the same basket, totally mindblowing. No other 2 games in my 26 year life have made me open my eyes so much.
 
HL2 was repedative, boring, with alot less enemy variety, alot less guns, no swimming, NO puzzles (that I know of), the characters sucked (except for the dr brian), it had NO bosses, (NOT EVEN A LAST BOSS), the ending was even more terrible and if it wasn't for the gravity gun, it would have put me to sleep.
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Kill yourself.
 
Red Scarlet said:
Welcome to two years ago. CS plays like crap on my crap computer thanks to Steam; as opposed to playing like an absolute charm.
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Cry me a frikken river.

Valve ran the WON authentication system for 6 years after it's initial release, at no additional cost to you. For $50 you got 6 years of online gaming on Valves dime.

Valve developed a massive backend and client called Steam, invested millions of dollars in creating it (alongside HL2 development) and you still want them to be running WON as well ??

How about you upgrade your POS computer. It's not Valves fault you can't keep up with the jones's.
 
Burger said:
Cry me a frikken river.

Valve ran the WON authentication system for 6 years after it's initial release, at no additional cost to you. For $50 you got 6 years of online gaming on Valves dime.

Valve developed a massive backend and client called Steam, invested millions of dollars in creating it (alongside HL2 development) and you still want them to be running WON as well ??

How about you upgrade your POS computer. It's not Valves fault you can't keep up with the jones's.
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You're the one who can't take people not liking Valve/Steam.

Yes, $50 now WASTED, because a game that I was able to play absolutely fine now cannot because of what they decided to make mandatory.

How about you buy me a new computer? I shouldn't have to upgrade to KEEP PLAYING games that used to run fine. I have way more important things to use my nonexistent 'upgrade my PC' money on.
 
Does steam really make that big a difference? I never noticed a performance hit from it... Maybe I'm just not too observant though..
 
Red Scarlet said:
You're the one who can't take people not liking Valve/Steam.

Yes, $50 now WASTED, because a game that I was able to play absolutely fine now cannot because of what they decided to make mandatory.

How about you buy me a new computer? I shouldn't have to upgrade to KEEP PLAYING games that used to run fine. I have way more important things to use my nonexistent 'upgrade my PC' money on.
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It's not that I can't take it, I'm just sick of people blaming a super hard working group of people for all their problems.

You paid $50 for Half Life, what, 6 years ago ?? Then a FREE, yes, FREE modification came along called Counterstrike. You played it for lets say 4 years. The total cost to you was 0.03 cents per day. Thats pretty cheap entertainment. It's not $50 wasted, it's $50 very well spent.

Don't expect Valve to support out of date technology, it's not their perogative.

And with all the online games these days its a fact of life that they wont last forever. Do you expect to play Everquest in 6 years time ?
 
Burger said:
And with all the online games these days its a fact of life that they wont last forever. Do you expect to play Everquest in 6 years time ?
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This is a very real, an unfortunate, fact of online supported games.

However, what was unxpected, was that this expiration date was inserted into Counterstrike along with Steam.

And forget CS, where does HL2 stand when Steam goes down? In ten years am I going to be able to "unlock my content" if I'm nostalgic enough?
 
ArcadeStickMonk said:
This is a very real, an unfortunate, fact of online supported games.

However, what was unxpected, was that this expiration date was inserted into Counterstrike along with Steam.

And forget CS, where does HL2 stand when Steam goes down? In ten years am I going to be able to "unlock my content" if I'm nostalgic enough?
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In all likleyhood, Valve will repeat the process, carry it all across to Gas or whatever they call it.

If in the unlikley event that Valve collapses, they will probably keep Steam up for a bit, and release a piece of software that will allow you to unlock it yourself. Steam already has the ability to back up any games you purchased to cd/dvd.

It would be inconceivable that HL2 would not be able to ever be played again in the history of mankind because Valve didn't think of that.
 
Nah, I got Half Life in 2002 or 2003, whenever the 2nd Star Wars movie came out. I spend almost as much time trying to connect/reconnecting to the game as actual play time now in CS. It's wasted in the sense that it is no longer worth my future time to bother with, due to Steam.

Burger said:
It's not that I can't take it, I'm just sick of people blaming a super hard working group of people for all their problems.
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Well, it's that hard working group of people that created Steam. If Steam sucks to someone, those are who should be blamed, no?
 
Red Scarlet said:
Nah, I got Half Life in 2002 or 2003, whenever the 2nd Star Wars movie came out. I spend almost as much time trying to connect/reconnecting to the game as actual play time now in CS. It's wasted in the sense that it is no longer worth my future time to bother with, due to Steam.

Well, it's that hard working group of people that created Steam. If Steam sucks to someone, those are who should be blamed, no?
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Your expecting too much, what is your computer ? A 486 ?

It's like buying a car and expecting to never have to perform maintenance. I paid around $500 NZD for my iPod, but I don't expect it to last until the day I die.

The fact is, everything will degrade over time, a sort of Half Life (hah!). Expect to do more work/spend more money to do the things or buy the things you used to enjoy years ago.
 
It's a 1.8 ghz that was bought in 2003.

I had little to no problems getting into and playing the game before Steam came around. After Steam, it became a big waste of my time. I'm not expecting my computer to last forever. However, it would be nice to have games that *used* to play fine still play fine on the same computer. That's my point. I bought the product and it worked fine until they decided to go with Steam and take everyone along with them if the consumer wanted to continue playing CS. I have every right to bitch about that, IMO.

Burger said:
Expect to do more work/spend more money to do the things or buy the things you used to enjoy years ago.
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My NES has worked fine for 15 years.
 
Ok, I give up. Write a letter to Valve, do whatever you like. The best thing you could ever do is to sell your copy of halflife 1/2, and never purchase another Valve game ever again!

That way you can never be dissapointed.
 
Hey, just expressing my agreement with the OP. :)

I'm not a big FPS'er anyway, so I had no plans to buy HL2. I'm not enough of a PC gamer to actually upgrade in order to play a new game, but it sure was nice when CS didn't run like crap.
 
Steam is a fucking piece of junk. When getting updates, it doesn't even display the download speed which is infuriating since I have no idea how fast I am actually getting the damn updates. LET ME PLAY THE FUCKING GAME I PAID FOR AND STOP DOWNLOADING "UPDATES"!!!!
 
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