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[AlteredForms]

Something has always fascinated me about Jesus and portrayals of him in mainstream media. The milky skin dude with golden locks and slender frame is the image we're accustomed to, but scientists say that's not what he actually looked like. Take a look at this amusing example of what somebody would have resembled in that area, along with DJ Khaled as a reference:

 

[Hot5pur]

Do you feel the same about religious figures from other religions, or is it just Jesus and Christianity?

I'm an atheist myself, but I respect religion and people's right to worship. However, I've never understood why Christianity is the target for hardcore atheist attacks and why they don't attack Islam or Judaism with the same vigor?

Also atheist here, do not respect religion, but do respect people's right to do what they want with their life as long as they are not actively hurting others.
Why don't atheists attack Judaism and Islam? For the former, there was that thing that happened in WW2 which was pretty bad (one could easily argue a consequence of religion), and also for Jews it's not just a religion but also an ethnicity (which I disagree with but OK).
For Islam, people tend to self BBQ or shoot up newspaper headquarters when you poke fun at their guy. You could say they are more prickly, so with Christianity (modern type, not the murderous historical one), it's like poking Whinnie the Pooh, for Islam it's like poking a hungry bear with an anal fissure.

Now, will this silly game make people take religion less seriously? Doubtful. Christianity has been mocked for a long time, to the point where there are broadway shows about it (ie. The book of mormon, and if you still think that play is JUST about Mormons...welll...), but it might give a little nudge to any fence sitters who happen to be gamers.
When it comes to religion it's an easy topic to dismantle, look at the end of the day, there can at BEST be only 1 true religion, and 1 "correct" way of worship (we will ignore the fragmentation of individual religions into sub-sects for simplicity, at least they have something in common). So if by chance you happened to be born to the "right" religion, you're probably fine, but statistically speaking you're almost guaranteed to go to hell. Good luck.

 

[nocsi]

So this isn't coming on Xbox, which is the official christian console?

 

[elladarapanta]

Something has always fascinated me about Jesus and portrayals of him in mainstream media. The milky skin dude with golden locks and slender frame is the image we're accustomed to, but scientists say that's not what he actually looked like. Take a look at this amusing example of what somebody would have resembled in that area, along with DJ Khaled as a reference:

this is bs. I have visited Israel and I noticed that most Jews are not with dark skin, but they are whites. If they were in Europe, I wouldn't notice that they are foreigners, unless they speak of course.
So, Jesus was white, considering the fact that the vast majority of Jews are white.

 

[lukilladog]

this is bs. I have visited Israel and I noticed that most Jews are not with dark skin, but they are whites. If they were in Europe, I wouldn't notice that they are foreigners, unless they speak of course.
So, Jesus was white, considering the fact that the vast majority of Jews are white.

Bro, that was after centuries of mixing with europeans after Israel and Judah were destroyed by the Romans.

There you go:

https://www.britannica.com/event/Siege-of-Jerusalem-70

 

[AlteredForms]

this is bs. I have visited Israel and I noticed that most Jews are not with dark skin, but they are whites. If they were in Europe, I wouldn't notice that they are foreigners, unless they speak of course.
So, Jesus was white, considering the fact that the vast majority of Jews are white.

Dude, we're not talking about people nowadays and Jews aren't exactly "white" despite their fair skin tones. Scientists have done extensive research about this topic and that image shows a man from Judea around the time of Jesus. You've probably been conditioned to those interperations you've seen in the churches, but that's cultural appropriation. Jesus was most likely not the blue-eyed 6ft 2 slender guy you know him as, he most likely looked like those Egyptian/Iraqi brown people most of the Western world has been conditioned to hate, but like I said, nobody can say for certain, I'm going on probability and historical evidence.

What Did Jesus Look Like? Here's What The Historical Evidence Actually Says

In recent years, many debates have arisen about the Christian Messiah's physical traits, especially his skin tone.

allthatsinteresting.com

 

[Badlucktroll]

Nice, a simulator for future fake priests with gator shoes and 3 storey mansions.

 

[nocsi]

Dude, we're not talking about people nowadays and Jews aren't exactly "white" despite their fair skin tones. Scientists have done extensive research about this topic and that image shows a man from Judea around the time of Jesus. You've probably been conditioned to those interperations you've seen in the churches, but that's cultural appropriation. Jesus was most likely not the blue-eyed 6ft 2 slender guy you know him as, he most likely looked like those Egyptian/Iraqi brown people most of the Western world has been conditioned to hate, but like I said, nobody can say for certain, I'm going on probability and historical evidence.

http://[URL]https://allthatsinteresting.com/what-did-jesus-look-like

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Believe it or not, there are actually many different types of Jewish people.

 

[AlteredForms]

Believe it or not, there are actually many different types of Jewish people.

Well I'm going off the research and artistic interpretations from the historical data. I don't really care as most people want to claim Jesus as looking like them and claim ownership of him, but the reserach gives an image and it's not the one we see in churches. Behold Chaplain , look upon the face of your creatorrrrr!!! Recoil at the sight of dark skinn!!! Muhahahaha!

 

[nocsi]

Well I'm going off the research and artistic interpretations from the historical data. I don't really care as most people want to claim Jesus as looking like them and claim ownership of him, but the reserach gives an image and it's not the one we see in churches. Behold Chaplain , look upon the face of your creatorrrrr!!! Recoil at the sight of dark skinn!!! Muhahahaha!

That doesn't look like my mom

 

[IDKFA]

For Islam, people tend to self BBQ or shoot up newspaper headquarters when you poke fun at their guy. You could say they are more prickly, so with Christianity (modern type, not the murderous historical one), it's like poking Whinnie the Pooh, for Islam it's like poking a hungry bear with an anal fissure.

Islam isn't mocked or questioned in the UK for the above, but also doing so is considered islamophobia and a hate crime, The UN even dedicated this year that March 15 is international combat islamophobia day. Shouldn't all religions get the same treatment? It's interesting how some religions are protected more than others.

I tend not to pock fun or mock religion. I used to when I was younger, but I realised I was being a complete dick head who felt smug upsetting people. Probably a topic for another thread.

Well I'm going off the research and artistic interpretations from the historical data. I don't really care as most people want to claim Jesus as looking like them and claim ownership of him, but the reserach gives an image and it's not the one we see in churches. Behold Chaplain , look upon the face of your creatorrrrr!!! Recoil at the sight of dark skinn!!! Muhahahaha!

As a historian I've always been fascinated by the historical evidence of Jesus and the early decades of the Christian movement.

Yeah. Jesus probably looked like that, or he might have had lighter skin. The region was very diverse. Truth is, we'll never know as his skin colour was never documented because it never mattered to early Christians. Even the earliest surviving paintings were made hundreds of years after his crucifixion and can't be considered true to life.

 

[elladarapanta]

Bro, that was after centuries of mixing with europeans after Israel and Judah were destroyed by the Romans.

There you go:

https://www.britannica.com/event/Siege-of-Jerusalem-70

lol? Jews throughout the centuries didn't mix with others. They had their own societies.
WTF does the siege have to do with the skin color.

 

[lukilladog]

lol? Jews throughout the centuries didn't mix with others. They had their own societies.
WTF does the siege have to do with the skin color.

Certain circles did not, others did, just like today, some Jews are religious, for others it's just about tradition. The destruction of Israel caused massive migration to other countries in Europe at that time. If you want to have a better clue of Jesus's skin color for some reason, look at Palestinians ok, that was his land, not this stuff they call Israel today.

 

[Hot5pur]

Islam isn't mocked or questioned in the UK for the above, but also doing so is considered islamophobia and a hate crime, The UN even dedicated this year that March 15 is international combat islamophobia day. Shouldn't all religions get the same treatment? It's interesting how some religions are protected more than others.

I tend not to pock fun or mock religion. I used to when I was younger, but I realised I was being a complete dick head who felt smug upsetting people. Probably a topic for another thread.



As a historian I've always been fascinated by the historical evidence of Jesus and the early decades of the Christian movement.

Yeah. Jesus probably looked like that, or he might have had lighter skin. The region was very diverse. Truth is, we'll never know as his skin colour was never documented because it never mattered to early Christians. Even the earliest surviving paintings were made hundreds of years after his crucifixion and can't be considered true to life.

Making fun of ideas is one thing, making fun of people is another.
When people feel bad because you make a mockery of the things they believe in, it's because they realize they don't have ground to stand on, and is a flaw in their belief system. But they are often too trapped by their brainwashing/bias and ego to let bad ideas go (ask any conspiracy theorist).
Also "mocking" may be too strong a word. I prefer "sharp criticism".

 

[lukilladog]

As a historian I've always been fascinated by the historical evidence of Jesus...

...

Why would you be fascinated by that?. Because everything boils down to the stories of Paul and Peter if you want to be honest, even Paul himself admits that everything known about Jesus came from scripture and revelation. And the gospels were written by foreign people in foreign languages, many, many, years or decades after Jesus died. First hand accounts of Jesus, there is one, Paul, and that was more of a mental trip from a guy that exhibits many of the bipolar symptoms.

 

[RoadHazard]

Well I'm going off the research and artistic interpretations from the historical data. I don't really care as most people want to claim Jesus as looking like them and claim ownership of him, but the reserach gives an image and it's not the one we see in churches. Behold Chaplain , look upon the face of your creatorrrrr!!! Recoil at the sight of dark skinn!!! Muhahahaha!

That doesn't look like my mom

It DOES look like mine, funnily enough.

 

[FunkMiller]

Walk around some of the galleries in Italy, and you'd swear Jesus was a pasty white dude with red hair.

Look at this ginger cunt, right here:

Lol. Even if he did exist, he'd have been a right swarthy looking, dark skinned middle eastern bugger. Wouldn't look like this reject from a 70s prog rock band.

 

[IDKFA]

Why would you be fascinated by that?. Because everything boils down to the stories of Paul and Peter if you want to be honest, even Paul himself admits that everything known about Jesus came from scripture and revelation and the gospels were written by foreign people in foreign languages, many, many, years or decades after Jesus died. First hand accounts of Jesus, there is one, Paul, and that was more of a mental trip from a guy that exhibits many of the bipolar symptoms.

First, history is my passion. I have a degree in history and love studying historical figures and events, especially those that aren't clear cut and require historical-critical investigation.

You've mentioned the writings of Paul, as in the Epistles of Paul, and they're a pretty decent primary source. Paul never claims to have personally met with Jesus, but he does claim to have spoken with Peter, Paul and James (brother of Jesus). They're considered genuine documents and there is no reason to doubt they were written by Paul.

It's impossible to say if Paul was bipolar. We can't diagnose people who we know very little about from thousands of years ago. Nobody is able to really diagnose the mental health condition Geroge III suffered from in the 1700s (Andrew Robertson believes it was bipolar, but that's not widely accepted and it's impossible to be certain), so saying Paul was bipolar is a huge claim that would require spectacular evidence.

There are also non Christian sources, Jewish and Roman. The source from Tacitus is a good one. He writes about Nero and mentions Nero's treatment of the Christians. He then gives some background to Christianity by telling readers it was founded by Christus (Jesus). He then confirms that Jesus was put to death by Pontius Pilate, who we know without doubt was a real person.

The First Epistle of Peter is also really fascinating because there has been such an ongoing debate as to if the document was written by Peter or not. I can see both sides of the argument and haven't been able to make a decision.

As a history student this is the sort of shit that gets me rock solid.

 

[AlteredForms]

Walk around some of the galleries in Italy, and you'd swear Jesus was a pasty white dude with red hair.

Look at this ginger cunt, right here:

Lol. Even if he did exist, he'd have been a right swarthy looking, dark skinned middle eastern bugger. Wouldn't look like this reject from a 70s prog rock band.

That's exactly the point I made Funk a couple posts back. I wonder what all these televangelists and Christian ministers in America would think if it was confirmed: "That's downright bullshit son, Jesus weren't no A-RABBBB!!!"

 

[lukilladog]

ss

First, history is my passion. I have a degree in history and love studying historical figures and events, especially those that aren't clear cut and require historical-critical investigation.

You've mentioned the writings of Paul, as in the Epistles of Paul, and they're a pretty decent primary source. Paul never claims to have personally met with Jesus, but he does claim to have spoken with Peter, Paul and James (brother of Jesus). They're considered genuine documents and there is no reason to doubt they were written by Paul.

It's impossible to say if Paul was bipolar. We can't diagnose people who we know very little about from thousands of years ago. Nobody is able to really diagnose the mental health condition Geroge III suffered from in the 1700s (Andrew Robertson believes it was bipolar, but that's not widely accepted and it's impossible to be certain), so saying Paul was bipolar is a huge claim that would require spectacular evidence.

There are also non Christian sources, Jewish and Roman. The source from Tacitus is a good one. He writes about Nero and mentions Nero's treatment of the Christians. He then gives some background to Christianity by telling readers it was founded by Christus (Jesus). He then confirms that Jesus was put to death by Pontius Pilate, who we know without doubt was a real person.

The First Epistle of Peter is also really fascinating because there has been such an ongoing debate as to if the document was written by Peter or not. I can see both sides of the argument and haven't been able to make a decision.

As a history student this is the sort of shit that gets me rock solid.

Nobody suggested they were not written by Paul, just saying that those don't carry first hand account weight as evidence of Jesus and that there is no way to corroborate if the stories he was told, were true.

As for his mental health, he used to talk about a "thorn in the flesh" that afflicted him, so it could very well be a case of mental illness. As for the possible symptoms of bipolar illness, he could talk for hours non stop even with people not listening to him (pressured speech/talkativeness): "Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight" Acts 20:7 "And there was a young man named Eutychus sitting on the window sill, sinking into a deep sleep; and as Paul kept on talking, he was overcome by sleep and fell down from the third floor and was picked up dead." Acts 20:9. He also had a sense of grandiosity (Inflated Self-Esteem or Grandiosity): "I do not think I am in the least inferior to those "super-apostles." 2 Corinthians 11:5. Decreased need for sleep (The diagnostic criteria indicate that during manic episodes there may be a reduced need for sleep): "I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep;" 2 Corinthians 11:27. Goal directed activity, Pychomotor Agitation: "Therefore I do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air. No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize." 1 Corinthians 9:26. DSM-5 Excessive involvement in activities that have a high potential for painful consequences: "I have worked much harder, been in prison more frequently, been flogged more severely, and been exposed to death again and again." 2 Corinthians 11:23.

As for Tacitus, he was born in 56 AD so it seems he is just writing about christians and their beliefs or borrowing from court records by the 2nd century, no eye witness testimony is supplied in his work. We would know so much more if christians had not decided to destroy the actual records when they came to power. And going by what american theologian Robert E. Van Voorst has to say:

"Does this "Testimonium Taciteum" therefore provide definitive evidence of the existence of Jesus? If we could be certain that Tacitus's account was based on nonChristian sources, the answer would be yes; but as we have seen, such independent knowledge is unverifiable. As R. T. France concludes, while the evidence from Tacitus corroborates the New Testament accounts of the death of Jesus, "by itself it cannot prove that events happened as Tacitus had been informed," or even the existence of Jesus."

https://epdf.mx/jesus-outside-the-n...duction-to-the-ancient-evidence-studying.html

 

[diffusionx]

I feel like I walked into a fedora tipping convention in this thread.

 

[Elder Legend]

Even the Jesus game has detective vision.

I wonder if it has stealth too.

Do you think Jesus was sitting on a toilet one day at midnight and discovered the time traveling revelation?

 

[kanjobazooie]

Do you think Jesus was sitting on a toilet one day at midnight and discovered the time traveling revelation?

Are… are YOU Jesus?

 

[Elder Legend]

Are… are YOU Jesus?

I am a lot of things. But Jesus is not one if them, no thanks. I am Jewish and Jews do not like Jesus even thoug he was Jewish himself. But yet, everyone is celebrating a Jew's birthday at the end of December except the Jews themselves. Pretty fucked right?

 

[8BiTw0LF]

lol? Jews throughout the centuries didn't mix with others. They had their own societies.
WTF does the siege have to do with the skin color.

You do realise we all come from Africa? Around 200.000 years ago we climbed down from the trees and very slowly moved to other continents in the world. Evolution man, it's crazy.
Think about the apes we have today - in a million years they could be the new "humans". Wonder what we will be at that time - and if we would still recognize ourselves as "humans".

 

[jaysius]

Something has always fascinated me about Jesus and portrayals of him in mainstream media. The milky skin dude with golden locks and slender frame is the image we're accustomed to, but scientists say that's not what he actually looked like. Take a look at this amusing example of what somebody would have resembled in that area, along with DJ Khaled as a reference:

 

[sertopico]

ss

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As for Tacitus, he was born in 56 AD so it seems he is just writing about christians and their beliefs or borrowing from court records by the 2nd century, no eye witness testimony is supplied in his work. We would know so much more if christians had not decided to destroy the actual records when they came to power. And going by what american theologian Robert E. Van Voorst has to say:

"Does this "Testimonium Taciteum" therefore provide definitive evidence of the existence of Jesus? If we could be certain that Tacitus's account was based on nonChristian sources, the answer would be yes; but as we have seen, such independent knowledge is unverifiable. As R. T. France concludes, while the evidence from Tacitus corroborates the New Testament accounts of the death of Jesus, "by itself it cannot prove that events happened as Tacitus had been informed," or even the existence of Jesus."

https://epdf.mx/jesus-outside-the-n...duction-to-the-ancient-evidence-studying.html

If you are looking for a source which is a bit prior to Tacitus' works (where Christ is erroneously called "Chrestos" and the Christians "Chrestians") there are also those somewhat pedantic letters Pliny the Young wrote to the emperor Trajan as he was governor of Bithynia, modern day northern Turkey. In one of these letters Pliny asks the emperor how he should behave with christians who refuse to embrace the official roman religion and he also mentions Christ himself iirc.

 

[j0hnnix]

Been reading through the thread, while entertaining, I haven't seen if anyone has it running on steam deck.. how will I be able to bring the word of Christ to the peasants... On my portable gaming device.

 

[remember_spinal]

 

[jigglet]

Kid Molesta 2022

 

[Philfrag]

Hand simulator

 

[marjo]

The idea that atheists should walk on eggshells to not offend religious types, while these same religious types keep droning on about how all non believers(of they're particular deity) are going to end up in hell, never fails to make me chuckle.

If you want to believe in an omnipotent, omniscient sky fairy, then be willing to deal with the mockery.

 

[AJUMP23]

Something has always fascinated me about Jesus and portrayals of him in mainstream media. The milky skin dude with golden locks and slender frame is the image we're accustomed to, but scientists say that's not what he actually looked like. Take a look at this amusing example of what somebody would have resembled in that area, along with DJ Khaled as a reference:

The debate of What Jesus looked like is an interesting one. I have always thought that there was great compassion and love in his eyes. The Bible does say he was not attractive. "Of no comeliness" meaning that if you saw him you would not think he was attractive. Probably somewhat overweight. He was accused of being a glutton. Dark hair, brown face, and probably made darker by the son and all the time he spent outside. I am glad we have no images of what he looked like, because people would focus on his image more than his message.

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

Well I'm going off the research and artistic interpretations from the historical data. I don't really care as most people want to claim Jesus as looking like them and claim ownership of him, but the reserach gives an image and it's not the one we see in churches. Behold Chaplain , look upon the face of your creatorrrrr!!! Recoil at the sight of dark skinn!!! Muhahahaha!

That's like a tanned Mediterranean or Italian person.

 

[AJUMP23]

The idea that atheists should walk on eggshells to not offend religious types, while these same religious types keep droning on about how all non believers(of they're particular deity) are going to end up in hell, never fails to make me chuckle.

If you want to believe in an omnipotent, omniscient sky fairy, then be willing to deal with the mockery.

You can mock all you want, but you can also choose to be respectful. Instead of trying to bait people by calling God a sky fairy, you could say spirit. You choose the word fairy because you want to mock people. No one says atheist should walk on eggshells. But for a bit of perspective, it is not believers trying to annoy those that don't believe to tell them about salvation. But in their mind an act of love to share with you. I understand that can be annoying, but they are not trying to upset you, they are showing you respect and care, and it annoys you. But if you saw it from their point of view you may treat them with respect, because hey in reality care for you.

 

[marjo]

You can mock all you want, but you can also choose to be respectful. Instead of trying to bait people by calling God a sky fairy, you could say spirit. You choose the word fairy because you want to mock people. No one says atheist should walk on eggshells. But for a bit of perspective, it is not believers trying to annoy those that don't believe to tell them about salvation. But in their mind an act of love to share with you. I understand that can be annoying, but they are not trying to upset you, they are showing you respect and care, and it annoys you. But if you saw it from their point of view you may treat them with respect, because hey in reality care for you.

Yes, I did use 'sky fairy' to mock them. That's the entire point of my post. I'm not trying to be a dick, but it's my opinion that delusionary belief is worthy of mockery. If said mockery gets one person to question their their faith, then I feel it's worthwhile. Like you say, it's coming from a good place.

Let me take it a step further, if god where real, I think that he/she/it would have to be either completely incompetent or an asshole.

I've know many people who use the term 'atheist' as some sort of insult or put down, and I'm tired of people being belittled because they chose reason over superstition. Sorry, but I no longer am willing to sugar coat what I think.

 

[AJUMP23]

Yes, I did use 'sky fairy' to mock them. That's the entire point of my post. I'm not trying to be a dick, but it's my opinion that delusionary belief is worthy of mockery. If said mockery gets one person to question their their faith, then I feel it's worthwhile. Like you say, it's coming from a good place.

Let me take it a step further, if god where real, I think that he/she/it would have to be either completely incompetent or an asshole.

I've know many people who use the term 'atheist' as some sort of insult or put down, and I'm tired of people being belittled because they chose reason over superstition. Sorry, but I no longer am willing to sugar coat what I think.

I am not asking you to walk on eggshells, or sugar coat. I don't think that is the point. I think you have taken offense from people where none is intended. Atheist is no more derogatory than Christian. They are descriptive terms. You can look down on people that are defined by those terms. I think you can disagree and be respectful. You probably have felt judged, and your response is to judge back. I understand, but you can show respect and not accept. It isn't hard. If you are mocking someone you can't in one breath say, "I am mocking but I am not trying to be a dick". I mock people all the time on here, and it is part of the fun, but I know I am being a jerk when I am doing it. I appreciate you sharing. I hope you can treat people with respect despite all forms of disagreement.

 

[IDKFA]

ss


Nobody suggested they were not written by Paul, just saying that those don't carry first hand account weight as evidence of Jesus and that there is no way to corroborate if the stories he was told, were true.

As for his mental health, he used to talk about a "thorn in the flesh" that afflicted him, so it could very well be a case of mental illness. As for the possible symptoms of bipolar illness, he could talk for hours non stop even with people not listening to him (pressured speech/talkativeness): "Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight" Acts 20:7 "And there was a young man named Eutychus sitting on the window sill, sinking into a deep sleep; and as Paul kept on talking, he was overcome by sleep and fell down from the third floor and was picked up dead." Acts 20:9. He also had a sense of grandiosity (Inflated Self-Esteem or Grandiosity): "I do not think I am in the least inferior to those "super-apostles." 2 Corinthians 11:5. Decreased need for sleep (The diagnostic criteria indicate that during manic episodes there may be a reduced need for sleep): "I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep;" 2 Corinthians 11:27. Goal directed activity, Pychomotor Agitation: "Therefore I do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air. No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize." 1 Corinthians 9:26. DSM-5 Excessive involvement in activities that have a high potential for painful consequences: "I have worked much harder, been in prison more frequently, been flogged more severely, and been exposed to death again and again." 2 Corinthians 11:23.

As for Tacitus, he was born in 56 AD so it seems he is just writing about christians and their beliefs or borrowing from court records by the 2nd century, no eye witness testimony is supplied in his work. We would know so much more if christians had not decided to destroy the actual records when they came to power. And going by what american theologian Robert E. Van Voorst has to say:

"Does this "Testimonium Taciteum" therefore provide definitive evidence of the existence of Jesus? If we could be certain that Tacitus's account was based on nonChristian sources, the answer would be yes; but as we have seen, such independent knowledge is unverifiable. As R. T. France concludes, while the evidence from Tacitus corroborates the New Testament accounts of the death of Jesus, "by itself it cannot prove that events happened as Tacitus had been informed," or even the existence of Jesus."

https://epdf.mx/jesus-outside-the-n...duction-to-the-ancient-evidence-studying.html

Sorry. I don't want to get into a historical debate on GAF. I was just outlining my interest in the historical study of religious figures.

 

[The Stig]

*tips fedora*

I see Im not needed here

 

[GymWolf]

Hand simulator

Say no more fam

 

[lukilladog]

If you are looking for a source which is a bit prior to Tacitus' works (where Christ is erroneously called "Chrestos" and the Christians "Chrestians") there are also those somewhat pedantic letters Pliny the Young wrote to the emperor Trajan as he was governor of Bithynia, modern day northern Turkey. In one of these letters Pliny asks the emperor how he should behave with christians who refuse to embrace the official roman religion and he also mentions Christ himself iirc.

That was late again, and then he only described a meeting of christians worshipping a christ (an anointed one, a Messiah, someone with an assigned a task. Kings and priests were also anointed ones btw), not a Jesus. It could have been Jesus, but it also could have been Judas of Galilee, Simon son of Joseph, Athronges, Theudas, or some other messianic figure. But anyway, I think the letter is just an interpolation or forgery, and even if conceding it was all legit and pointing to a Messiah, it would only support that there were christians worshipping a Messiah in 112 ad... so?, there is a Jedi cult in 2022, doesn't mean the Force is real.

 

[Shifty1897]

Yeesh, this thread got derailed.

 

[lukilladog]

Yeesh, this thread got derailed.

We are discussing the story and the main character of the game.

 

[Batiman]

this is bs. I have visited Israel and I noticed that most Jews are not with dark skin, but they are whites. If they were in Europe, I wouldn't notice that they are foreigners, unless they speak of course.
So, Jesus was white, considering the fact that the vast majority of Jews are white.

Please tell me this is a joke…

 

[PlayofSparta]

First, history is my passion. I have a degree in history and love studying historical figures and events, especially those that aren't clear cut and require historical-critical investigation.

You've mentioned the writings of Paul, as in the Epistles of Paul, and they're a pretty decent primary source. Paul never claims to have personally met with Jesus, but he does claim to have spoken with Peter, Paul and James (brother of Jesus). They're considered genuine documents and there is no reason to doubt they were written by Paul.

It's impossible to say if Paul was bipolar. We can't diagnose people who we know very little about from thousands of years ago. Nobody is able to really diagnose the mental health condition Geroge III suffered from in the 1700s (Andrew Robertson believes it was bipolar, but that's not widely accepted and it's impossible to be certain), so saying Paul was bipolar is a huge claim that would require spectacular evidence.

There are also non Christian sources, Jewish and Roman. The source from Tacitus is a good one. He writes about Nero and mentions Nero's treatment of the Christians. He then gives some background to Christianity by telling readers it was founded by Christus (Jesus). He then confirms that Jesus was put to death by Pontius Pilate, who we know without doubt was a real person.

The First Epistle of Peter is also really fascinating because there has been such an ongoing debate as to if the document was written by Peter or not. I can see both sides of the argument and haven't been able to make a decision.

As a history student this is the sort of shit that gets me rock solid.

Well put, I also have a degree in history and agree with you. I study more World War 2, but I'm always puzzled when people think Jesus did not exist. There's evidence enough to know he did. The Roman Empire just didn't care for it that much; only until much later with Constantine and The Battle of the Milvian Bridge (312 A.D).

About his skin or appearance, he was probably mestiço (sorry, I don't know the term in english) with brown skin and long hair. The white form is what the Catholic Church wanted in the medieval and renascence period. The art of the renascence puts that very clear.

If he did the miracles or other stuff, that's a whole another story.

 

[Toons]

this is bs. I have visited Israel and I noticed that most Jews are not with dark skin, but they are whites. If they were in Europe, I wouldn't notice that they are foreigners, unless they speak of course.
So, Jesus was white, considering the fact that the vast majority of Jews are white.

Holy cow this is one of the dumbest posts I've ever read on the site

 

[Danknugz]

but didn't kanye west say all black people are jews or something?

 

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[lukilladog]

Well put, I also have a degree in history and agree with you. I study more World War 2, but I'm always puzzled when people think Jesus did not exist. There's evidence enough to know he did. The Roman Empire just didn't care for it that much; only until much later with Constantine and The Battle of the Milvian Bridge (312 A.D).

You could say the same about Romulus, we have his biography in the hands of none other than Plutarch's, and Romans ended caring a lot about him.

 

[Iced Arcade]

Lol'd