I pretty much assumed when you wrote he supports genocide. You have to be either crazy or just one messed up individual to be spouting or thinking that nonsense.
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I am meeting a Trump supporter this week. Help.
- Thread starter Lord Thrappleper The 49th
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I pretty much assumed when you wrote he supports genocide. You have to be either crazy or just one messed up individual to be spouting or thinking that nonsense.
Sorry to hear that man.
Was definitely a red flag that she was willing to be in a serious relationship with someone who supports genocide.
Sorry about that man.
So I suppose that means the friend you thought was so sweet turned out to hold comparably bigoted views, huh? A real shame.
Amibguous Cad
Member
Just remember, evangelism is hospitality.
(The entire post is an excellent guide to evangelism in the Christian sense - which, I think, a great many people trying to effect political change would benefit from reading).
EDIT: Well, that sucks
Slacktivist said:
(The entire post is an excellent guide to evangelism in the Christian sense - which, I think, a great many people trying to effect political change would benefit from reading).
EDIT: Well, that sucks
Elegant Weapon
Member
I don't know, man. From many of the responses in here, genocide is "just a political view, just hang out and find common ground"
I guess I shouldn't be surprised but yeah
King Tubby
Member
I feel like "Trump supporter" is less important here than "genocide advocate."
I would've not only not met the dude, I would've abandoned my friend as soon as i heard she was "in love" with someone who had those beliefs. What the fuck, man?
I would've not only not met the dude, I would've abandoned my friend as soon as i heard she was "in love" with someone who had those beliefs. What the fuck, man?
Foxy the Fox
Member
I know lots of Trump supporters (i am not even american lol) and those guys always seems to be the chilliest people on the room.
There is no need to have that attitude man, just try to have fun.
I'd say that doesn't appear to be a particularly big loss in your life.
Read the rest of the thread.
DeployThatPizza
Member
Sorry to hear that, but you're better off without your friend.
Foxy the Fox
Member
The Albatross
Member
GTFO. The many responses of that were before OP revealed that this person was for ethnic cleansing and a white nationalist. The original question was like "I'm meeting a Trump supporter, please give me evidence to argue with him," and most people -- reasonably -- were like, eh, don't bother, you don't have to argue with someone when you meet them.
And then he added that his friends' friend is a white nationalist who advocates genocide and that the friend specifically wanted them to argue... and virtually everybody was like "Well..... that's changes things."
This guy was also pro-genocides. So... no.
They are chill unless you are non-white or LGBTQ.
Tyraniboah
Member
Sucks you lost a friend OP. If she really loves him then she's not going to react rationally to you trying to confront either one of them.
You are right in wanting to make him understand that his genocidal views are not welcome in modern society, but a direct confrontation complete with facts and objective information will not accomplish that. They don't acknowledge facts. Trump could tell them all that he shot a baby and they'd all find a reason to rationalize that. What we need to do is show up at the polls. Vote their candidate(s) out and show them that Trumpism isn't welcome. And frankly OP, you're better off without that friend. I had an old friend that latched on to Trump pretty hard and it brought out all of the shit he never talked to us about. We don't talk anymore.
You are right in wanting to make him understand that his genocidal views are not welcome in modern society, but a direct confrontation complete with facts and objective information will not accomplish that. They don't acknowledge facts. Trump could tell them all that he shot a baby and they'd all find a reason to rationalize that. What we need to do is show up at the polls. Vote their candidate(s) out and show them that Trumpism isn't welcome. And frankly OP, you're better off without that friend. I had an old friend that latched on to Trump pretty hard and it brought out all of the shit he never talked to us about. We don't talk anymore.
googleplex
Member
When are people going to realize that White nationalist = Trump supporters?
Some Trump supporters are just idiots, dont have to be white nationalists.
Elegant Weapon
Member
You get the fuck out of here, anyone can read the thread. Many comments after the OP edit said to "find common ground, just hang like normal". WTF? The post are right here
virtually everybody though huh?
Yoshimitsu126
Member
OP, at least it's a friend and not a close relative. If it was like that, sorry man, but at least you get to avoid them.
Elegant Weapon
Member
Trump supporters are idiots brainwashed to be white nationalists.
Lol uh yeah. I've certainly been banned for less.
Elegant Weapon
Member
You're probably right, dude telling me to GTFO made me think fuck off was ok. I edited
Fulminator
Member
What are you supposed to do ? You could get into a literal fight with the guy, beat him to try to change his views. You could hurl words at him until you lose your voice. Neither of those things will make him change his mind about anything. What are you saying that we should do if we find ourselves facing someone who has an abhorrent worldview like this?
The best option is to not meet with or acknowledge them, but sometimes that is unavoidable
Elegant Weapon
Member
I wouldn't have met with the guy, not talk sports or tv with him. I would have explained to the friend upfront that dating someone who believes in genocide is a deal breaker for our friendship.
Yeah, looks like you're advocating being civil while trying to get the point across to the friend.
The same thing you were telling us we need to fuck off for.
You tried. What more can you do, right??
Soldiussnaku
Member
That's a damn shame, sorry for your loss.
Yet, it was fairly pointless undergoing this excercise to begin with, people who love trump supporters or his philosophy by extension are fuckheads themselves, it sounded like you wanted to believe otherwise. Whilst it is okay to see the good in people, The majority of people have bad in them, learnt that lesson years ago.
Also, details please, the prep you went was extensive, the advice you were given too, at least give the people in this thread an overview of what happened.
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
It's kind of late to keep pretending like this lol
Elegant Weapon
Member
No, I told dude to fuck off because he said that "virtually everybody" when that clearly wasn't the case
The question I posed was "how many are willing to just shoot the shit and hang out with someone you know advocates genocide?"
I said I wouldn't meet him at all and talk to the friend. Not "find common ground", which I never even told anyone to fuck off for
the spin you have to make to even make your comment here makes sense... cmon guy
It looked like you were telling the entire list of people you quoted to fuck off as well, before your edit. If that's not the case, disregard.
Elegant Weapon
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That wasn't the case.
PlayALLtheGames
Banned
I'm confused about something: you said "racists love racists." So she's a racist but you never knew? She never shared racist views before this guy or something?
Anyway, they deserve each other and it's good to get shitty people out of your life.
Anyway, they deserve each other and it's good to get shitty people out of your life.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
Sucks you lost a friend over politics.
Friends of opposing political views are fantastic learning opportunities and usually support great conversation.
Friends of opposing political views are fantastic learning opportunities and usually support great conversation.
Phoenix RISING
Banned
Seriously. You interact with this person the same way you would with anyone else. You can begin with hello.
GuitarAtomik
Member
Providing absolutely no details is almost the opposite of closure lol.
Lord Thrappleper The 49th
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For the people asking for details.
I went to her house where he is staying. I met him and after introductions were done we shot the shit. Talking about what he had done in england so far.
Maybe 2 minutes into the conversation he brings up the london bridge attacks out of nowhere and asked me if i felt safe with all the dangerous people being let into the country.
I responded with the fact that the attackers from my understanding were born and radicalised in england. He was not impressed with that answer and proceeded to rant about muslims and their awful religion.
I looked at my friend who was visably embaressed but stayed silent.
I changed the subject, tried to get to know who he was.
This is the thing that shook me. My friend is fully capable of looking after herself and making her own decisions. But as she has only had the one relationship she is inexperienced to things. Furthermore they are both dutifully religious. No sex before marriage.
She is 22. He is 39. I'm not saying age gapped relationships cant work/are weird. I'm saying in this particular incident this was a clear case of manipulation from him on a girl who unfortunately doesnt know better.
After maybe an hour its became very clear to me that he was agitating himself. So I dropped my little bombshell on him that I was a semi practicing muslim. Whenever I needed spiritual guidance I would go to a mosque. Not a church. He said I was a liar because I was white and white people cant be muslims.
I told him he was dumb as shit because intelligent people cant be nazis.
So began a shouting match.
My friend told me I had ruined his holiday. I said how could she love him, she said he has valid points. I reaffirmed with her that this man was a facebook post away from attacking a public place. She said it was overexaggeration, and that it was time for me to leave. I asked her straight up if she thought muslims are bad, she nodded her head to which i told her they belonged together then.
I am very saddened by this. I never knew she had such hate in her. I'm not sure what to think out of all this. I knew it was coming. Anyone with any sense could predict this outcome, I must be mad trying to see if it was all a misunderstanding. Guess i'm the naive one.
I went to her house where he is staying. I met him and after introductions were done we shot the shit. Talking about what he had done in england so far.
Maybe 2 minutes into the conversation he brings up the london bridge attacks out of nowhere and asked me if i felt safe with all the dangerous people being let into the country.
I responded with the fact that the attackers from my understanding were born and radicalised in england. He was not impressed with that answer and proceeded to rant about muslims and their awful religion.
I looked at my friend who was visably embaressed but stayed silent.
I changed the subject, tried to get to know who he was.
This is the thing that shook me. My friend is fully capable of looking after herself and making her own decisions. But as she has only had the one relationship she is inexperienced to things. Furthermore they are both dutifully religious. No sex before marriage.
She is 22. He is 39. I'm not saying age gapped relationships cant work/are weird. I'm saying in this particular incident this was a clear case of manipulation from him on a girl who unfortunately doesnt know better.
After maybe an hour its became very clear to me that he was agitating himself. So I dropped my little bombshell on him that I was a semi practicing muslim. Whenever I needed spiritual guidance I would go to a mosque. Not a church. He said I was a liar because I was white and white people cant be muslims.
I told him he was dumb as shit because intelligent people cant be nazis.
So began a shouting match.
My friend told me I had ruined his holiday. I said how could she love him, she said he has valid points. I reaffirmed with her that this man was a facebook post away from attacking a public place. She said it was overexaggeration, and that it was time for me to leave. I asked her straight up if she thought muslims are bad, she nodded her head to which i told her they belonged together then.
I am very saddened by this. I never knew she had such hate in her. I'm not sure what to think out of all this. I knew it was coming. Anyone with any sense could predict this outcome, I must be mad trying to see if it was all a misunderstanding. Guess i'm the naive one.
Yes you fucking should.
Complex Shadow
Cudi Lame
Relentless 757
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Eh, I think it's fair to say a significant amount of Trump supporters are poorly educated, or dare I say, even an idiot. My more conservative side of the family voted for Trump, I shit you not, because he wasn't Clinton. They viewed the way he spoke, what he was for, pretty much most things about him as abhorrent, but thought the alternative was much worse.
Needless to say, I consider them incredibly ignorant.
GuitarAtomik
Member
Fucking lol.
Seriously though OP, sounds like you're better off without that friend. Still a sad situation.
Complex Shadow
Cudi Lame
I kinda wanna know how they feel now?
TTOOLL
Member
Great first post. The anti-Trump voters hate here is incredible. If you voted for Trump you're automatically the scum of Earth period. It's just not fair.
I'd really like a Trump supporter to sit down and elaborate when they claim they don't really like Trump but they think Clinton was worse. Like I want specifics not just vague "but her emails" bullshit rhetoric thats being regurgitated from whatever propaganda show they are watching or listening to but the informed awful specifics they truly feel made her worse.
Considering all the horrible things he's done or tried to do in the past 8 months...is it really unfair?