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Ark-AMN said:
Tell me then, what would Bush have to do to prove that "he cares?"

Pull a Clinton and go on TV with tears in his eyes and claims that "he feels our pain"?

He should have invaded New Orleans with everyone and everything to save them. He should have had the Superdome evacuated by now, which it still isn't but a Hyatt was with people in a better code of dress. He should have fired Condoleeza Rice for buying nice shoes on Fifth Avenue (says the Washington Post, not some blog) while people die and rot, and anyone in FEMA who failed the city of New Orleans. He should never have left New Orleans, fleeing to safety in D.C. when his citizens have no such options. He should be doing anything but what he is right now.
 
Ark-AMN said:
Tell me then, what would Bush have to do to prove that "he cares?"

Pull a Clinton and go on TV with tears in his eyes and claims that "he feels our pain"?

If he was there on day one actually leading and sorting the shithole adminstration in FEMA instead of patting them on the back. And perhaps swallowing his inflated pride and fully embracing the foreign aid. I dunno, just doing something that' wells above and beyond what he's doing now.

And would you cuntbag motherfuckers shut the fuck up about Clinton? I swear to fucking god. I'd be at his throat also if he was in office pulling this shit.
 
Ark-AMN said:
Tell me then, what would Bush have to do to prove that "he cares?"

Pull a Clinton and go on TV with tears in his eyes and claims that "he feels our pain"?

Why is Red Cross not allowed in? (Is this really true?)
Why are we being offered help from foreign countries, CUBA for chissakes is offering aid and is it getting to them?
 
I'm sorry, but there is NO POLITICIAN around who would do that laundry list of things. Politicians these days aren't "hands on" people and they generally let their bearocracies do the things for them.

My point is that you can blame Bush for everything under the sun, but this would have turned out the same way no matter who was in charge. The planning wasn't done (after decades of threat) and without planning, things were bound to be as chaotic as they are.
 
RevenantKioku said:
Why is Red Cross not allowed in?
Why are we being offered help from foreign countries, CUBA for chissakes is offering aid and is it getting to them?


'cause the dayum pinko docters will inject commie juice into dem!
 
Ark-AMN said:
I'm sorry, but there is NO POLITICIAN around who would do that laundry list of things. Politicians these days aren't "hands on" people and they generally let their bearocracies do the things for them.

My point is that you can blame Bush for everything under the sun, but this would have turned out the same way no matter who was in charge. The planning wasn't done (after decades of threat) and without planning, things were bound to be as chaotic as they are.

That is why we ARE blaming him. He is fucking IN CHARGE. And we're trying to get some fucking ACTION going so these changes can finally be MADE. It's fucking sad that the death of people for no good reason had to even bring some of these problems to fucking light for a lot of people. But we are at a terrible LOW in our country, and the fucking low is getting lower.
 
Why is Red Cross not allowed in?

Because the situation is not secure. Now I know most of you will just say to hell with it and send them in anyway. But there are well-established guidelines that you don't send in more people in an unsecure area.

Why are we being offered help from foreign countries

As I said in another thread, we dont need it. We have a logistical problem, not a resource problem.
 
That is why we ARE blaming him. He is fucking IN CHARGE

Blaming the person in charge is not going to change the system, and you are a fool to think that it will. In fact, I'll bet that in a month or two, all this heated debate with quiet and life will go on as usual.
 
Ark-AMN said:
As I said in another thread, we dont need it. We have a logistical problem, not a resource problem.

It does seem chalked full of too much pride though. Shouldn't the U.S. be accepting all the help it can get so as many people as possible can be saved as fast as possible?
 
Ark-AMN said:
Because the situation is not secure. Now I know most of you will just say to hell with it and send them in anyway. But there are well-established guidelines that you don't send in more people in an unsecure area.
Six days? Six fucking days? I don't know everything, but I know if we can get goddamned Geraldo Rivera in there, we can get some fucking aid in there.

As I said in another thread, we dont need it. We have a logistical problem, not a resource problem.
So that is why they're asking everyone who can help to help right? Let's take it all out of the coffers of the already poor american public and let outside aid go to waste.
 
Why do you guys even argue with Ark? He's been supporting Bush throughout this entire thing, mainly on the basis that he thinks nobody else woudl do better, so its ok for Bush to jerk off this entire thing.
 
blind anger is as bad as blind support. My point is that all your anger is being wasted on Bush and you're ignoring that he's just one man, and that there's a larger system out there responsible for this.
 
Ark-AMN said:
Blaming the person in charge is not going to change the system, and you are a fool to think that it will. In fact, I'll bet that in a month or two, all this heated debate with quiet and life will go on as usual.

I never said the blame is going to get us there. Thanks for the insult though.
 
Ark-AMN said:
blind anger is as bad as blind support. My point is that all your anger is being wasted on Bush and you're ignoring that he's just one man, and that there's a larger system out there responsible for this.

It's not JUST Bush. But if I'm not mistaken there are a lot of problems Bush should have been aware of that were simply not addressed. If that's not a problem, I don't know what fucking is.
 
I'm gonna stop, as its pretty useless arguing logic against emotion. And you people are way too damn emotional for your own good.
 
Ark-AMN said:
I'm gonna stop, as its pretty useless arguing logic against emotion. And you people are way too damn emotional for your own good.

Wow.
 
Ark-AMN said:
I'm gonna stop, as its pretty useless arguing logic against emotion. And you people are way too damn emotional for your own good.

So just to make sure I understand. You are completely comfortable with the way Bush has approached and handled the situation, you think that the people he has put into place are doing the right things....I could go on and on. I am sure we could present to you a laundry list of his fuck ups. At what point to you decide that a person is doing a lousy job and you fire them? If he worked in my company his ass would have been fired a LONG time ago.

Bottom line do you think that Bush is doing the best job that anyone could do in his position?

My answer is NO his actions have been UNACCEPTABLE.
 
another on point

How New Orleans Was Lost

By Paul Craig Roberts

Chalk up the city of New Orleans as a cost of Bush’s Iraq war.

There were not enough helicopters to repair the breeched levees and rescue people trapped by rising water. Nor are there enough Louisiana National Guards available to help with rescue efforts and to patrol against looting.

The situation is the same in Mississippi.

The National Guard and helicopters are off on a fool's mission in Iraq.

The National Guard is in Iraq because fanatical neoconservatives in the Bush administration were determined to invade the Middle East and because the incompetent Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld refused to listen to the generals, who told him there were not enough regular troops available to do the job.

After the invasion, the arrogant Rumsfeld found out that the generals were right. The National Guard was called up to fill in the gaping gaps.

Now the Guardsmen, trapped in the Iraqi quagmire, are watching on TV the families they left behind trapped by rising waters and wondering if the floating bodies are family members. None know where their dislocated families are, but, shades of Fallujah, they do see their destroyed homes.

The mayor of New Orleans was counting on helicopters to put in place massive sandbags to repair the levee. However, someone called the few helicopters away to rescue people from rooftops. The rising water overwhelmed the massive pumping stations, and New Orleans disappeared under deep water.

What a terrible casualty of the Iraqi war—one of our oldest and most beautiful cities, a famous city, a historic city. The World Trade Towers count as little compared to the loss of New Orleans.

Distracted by its phony war on ter

rorism, the US government had made no preparations in the event Hurricane Katarina brought catastrophe to New Orleans. No contingency plan existed. Only now after the disaster are FEMA and the Corp of Engineers trying to assemble the material and equipment to save New Orleans from the fate of Atlantis.

Even worse, articles in the New Orleans Times-Picayune and public statements by emergency management chiefs in New Orleans make it clear that the Bush administration slashed the funding for the Corp of Engineers’ projects to strengthen and raise the New Orleans levees and diverted the money to the Iraq war.

Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, told the New Orleans Times-Picayune (June 8, 2004): "It appears that the money has been moved in the president’s budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that’s the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can’t be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."

Why can’t the US government focus on America’s needs and leave other countries alone? Why are American troops in Iraq instead of protecting our own borders from a mass invasion by illegal immigrants? Why are American helicopters blowing up Iraqi homes instead of saving American homes in New Orleans?

How can the Bush administration be so incompetent as to expose Americans at home to dire risks by exhausting American resources in foolish foreign adventures? What kind of "homeland security" is this?

All Bush has achieved by invading Iraq is to kill and wound thousands of people while destroying America’s reputation. The only beneficiaries are oil companies capitalizing on a good excuse to jack up the price of gasoline and Osama bin Laden’s recruitment.

What we have is a Republican war for oil company profits while New Orleans sinks beneath the waters.
 
I said I'm not going to argue with any of you anymore cause I'm just getting a freaking huge migrane here. You people will damn Bush no matter what and I'm not going to keep banging my head against a bunch of brick walls.
 
Ark-AMN said:
As I said in another thread, we dont need it. We have a logistical problem, not a resource problem..

I do not get this point, and it's driving me nuts.

What is wrong with accepting help now and using those resources to help when the logistical challenge can be overcome? A lot of help is going to take a few days to GET to NO. Why not ask for it now?! From the other thread, Canada is already sending ships over without waiting for authorization. They can provide additional support when the situation in NO comes under control. Even if they aren't utilized right away, they can provide services later on At worst, accepting help can relieve the huge burden on the existing American personel and infrastructure. At best, it can SAVE more LIVES, which is the most important part of dealing with this tragedy.

Not all of the aid offered is directed at helping New Orleans either. The EU is just WAITING for the US to say yes before moving 60 MILLION BARRELS OF OIL over the next month to cope with the energy shock. Bush's response was basically "We're not expecting much from the international community, we got it and we don't need to bow down to accept help." Can ANYONE tell me why he is sitting on the fence on something like that?!

You know what this reminds me of? The Russian submarine accident a few years ago where Putin refused help from other countries until they arrived too late and found their sailors dead from suffocation and writing letters to loved ones in the dark. Swallow the pride and accept the outpouring of goodwill coming from the international community. It just seems like such an easy thing to do yet the administration is bungling it YET AGAIN.
 
Ark-AMN said:
I said I'm not going to argue with any of you anymore cause I'm just getting a freaking huge migrane here. You people will damn Bush no matter what and I'm not going to keep banging my head against a bunch of brick walls.


Fuck your apologistics.
 
Ark-AMN said:
I said I'm not going to argue with any of you anymore cause I'm just getting a freaking huge migrane here. You people will damn Bush no matter what and I'm not going to keep banging my head against a bunch of brick walls.
WE ARE NOT DAMING HIM BECAUSE HE IS BUSH.
Pull your head out of his ass already. We don't care if it was Jesus Fucking Christ in charge of our country right now.
To have this situation is UNACCEPTABLE.
And I thought you were done here a long while ago.
 
Man, watching this whole thing on TV IS FUCKING DEPRESSING! I'm 18, and I live in California. My life is great. George Bush's live on the other hand, is fucking phenomenal. How can either of us help? I donated 200 dollars (I only work fridays since college started :( ), I think that's good coming from one citizen. What the FUCK DID FUCKING BUSH DO?!?! Play GOLF?!

This shit fucking brings tears to my eyes. UGH im so mad. I had a more thorough explanation to my ideas, but theres no point to write them down; you guys all got it correct.
 
I was watching CNN earlier and they said "let's read some emails from viewers"

Email 1: "I saw the disaster and I just feel so bad, I wish I could do something to help, my prayers are with you" somebody IRAN

Email 2: "I have been to new orleans and stayed with some lovely black people there, I hope they are ok" -somebody else

and it seemed so hammy. I dunno. it really came off like "Iran loves us and we love blacks" THUMBS UP!

Also president bush looks like hes thinking "whats all this flood shit about" while he reads his scripted caring words. that guy gives horrible speeches.

Anyway, I hope they get it sorted, its a pretty crazy thing to see on the TV, thats all me and the GF have been watching for days. Best wishes New Orleans people!
 
Guys, Bush is only one man....I hate the motherfucker just as much as you do. But you must realize that he does not run this country. He is a puppet and there are indivisuals deep within the governement that are pulling his strings. This disaster is what the government wanted to help get their plans in gear.
Read Michael Moore's book.

Also do a search and the thread at OA called "How Many Of You Believe In Illuminati? "
 
This disaster is what the government wanted to help get their plans in gear.
Read Michael Moore's book.

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Give it a rest, man. At least until all this calms down...
 
I'm also very disgusted by the Bush Administration, and Congress.

Support should have been there within hours, not several days.
 
Ark-AMN said:
Tell me then, what would Bush have to do to prove that "he cares?"

Pull a Clinton and go on TV with tears in his eyes and claims that "he feels our pain"?


He was playing FUCKING GOLF the other day. What part of this confuses you?

Found another blog that's being done from NO - they are holed up in the ISP offices

Right here
 
I'm a pretty big "C" conservative. Bush and Co. have fucked up big time. I'm surprised there isn't even more of an outcry frankly.

This has been going on for too long and too little has been done. Bush should be impeached for this.
 
isamu said:
Guys, Bush is only one man....I hate the motherfucker just as much as you do. But you must realize that he does not run this country. He is a puppet and there are indivisuals deep within the governement that are pulling his strings. This disaster is what the government wanted to help get their plans in gear.
Read Michael Moore's book.

Also do a search and the thread at OA called "How Many Of You Believe In Illuminati? "
Your...kidding right? :lol
 
ManDudeChild said:
It does seem chalked full of too much pride though. Shouldn't the U.S. be accepting all the help it can get so as many people as possible can be saved as fast as possible?

You'd think so, but diplomatic posturing means more to the administration.

This was striking, that's all I can say:

Say 9/11 changed everything now, motherfuckers. Ooops, 9/11, 9/11. 9/11. Doesn't work anymore? Gee, maybe the sea of alligator MRE's once known as the citizens of New Orleans has something to do with that. Now you can shut the fuck up about 9/11. Bush just proved what would happen with another 9/11. Dead Americans as far as the nose can smell.
 
krypt0nian said:
He was playing FUCKING GOLF the other day. What part of this confuses you?

Not defending or supporting Bush here, but was that picture ever confirmed? I find it hard to believe that after a major thing like this, he would be golfing. If he was...then well, someone doesn't have his priorities straight.
 
Found a couple places in Huntsville to do volunteer work. There are 3 major shelters here with 1000+ who were left homeless by Katrina.
 
norinrad21 said:
Well well well you don't get them better than this

http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/
:lol :lol nothing like radical assholes to capitalize on a situation with their viewpoints.
ark-AMN said:
and that there's a larger system out there responsible for this.
...a larger system that he's in charge of. Everything starts and stops at him. Tell me... if Microsoft went down the shitter tomorrow, and everybody holding stock in the company lost every cent and were pretty much damned to no retirement, would you implicate Bill Gates in the matter, or would you say that the problem stopped at lower levels?
 
I saw images of what was happening in NO here on Australian TV the other day, and it fully made me sick. Your government is a mess, and seeing George Bush walking up to people in NO and hugging and kissing them made me sicker. Our Government is just as bad. There are Australian's in NO suffering too, and when its left up to Channel 7 to get people out and back to Australia because our fucking government can't seem to stumble its way around the situation, you know something is sickeningly wrong. God help everone suffering.
 
From what I saw on TV< Australia is just as stuck as every other country. They WANT to get in there ASAP and rescue the Australians in there, but America isn't allowing them in yet. WTF?
 
Yeah, how the hell can Channel 7 get in there and get people out, and the government CAN'T!? I don't believe that they physically can't do it. But if the American government really won't let us in to get our own people out then god help their souls.
 
Technically, an all out run into new Orleans probably [and stupidly] could be considered an "invasion" without proper protocols. Channel 7 on the other hand, and basically civillians with a helicopter handy.

Hell, there really should be a helicopter FORCE out right now, from all news stations [and privately owned] going in there and getting people the fuck out.

Wasn't there some problem with fuel though? Not sure, but wasn't there some sort of fuel consumption problem not allowing some helicopter from moving too far into NO?
 
Yeah, I wouldn't know about any fuel problems. It's true that Channel 7 trucked out the Australian's with some armed fellows for security, instead of using choppers. So you could well be right.

The whole situation is disgusting. I'm sure we're not the only country *needing* to get in there and help their own people, and America is stopping that so they can let them all rot. So much for international relations.
 
At the end of this, I bet Bush will have the lowest ratings ever. His piss poor handling of Katrina is pathetic. Give up your foolish pride Bush and let other countries help.
 
Raoul Duke said:
So Olimario, would you say that our Dear Leader's actions so far have been consistent with what a good Christian would do? I hear that he managed to squeeze a round of golf in on Thursday. I wonder how many people died while he was driving the fairways and putting? Or while the Secretary of State was shopping for shoes and watching a musical instead of answering offers of aid from foreign countries?

This is the equivalent of Marie Antoinette saying "Let them eat cake", except of course these people are eating NOTHING and DYING. I wish that I could say that I'm shocked, except that I'm not. There are two Americas and this tragedy drives the point home. If you're poor, you don't count for shit.

I called into the soup kitchen/shelter where I volunteer once a week and told them that I was going to be spending that day each week helping the Red Cross. I've already donated money, old clothes and supplies. I start at Atlanta headquarters on Monday, and I'm thinking about clearing out my second living room as a room for some refugees if I can get my roommates to agree. I wonder if any of the refugees will get to stay on the ranch at Crawford, now that Dear Leader's vacation is finally over with? Somehow I doubt it.

I idolize you.

Ark-AMN said:
Because the situation is not secure. Now I know most of you will just say to hell with it and send them in anyway. But there are well-established guidelines that you don't send in more people in an unsecure area.

Yeah because we all know that the Red Cross goes only in places that are absolutely secure.

Kanye was right. Bush doesn't care about black people. Bush doesn't care about poor people in general. If something like this had happened in Hollywood the whole fucking country would be mobilized to help them. I have no respect for people who defend this monster at a time like this.
 
norinrad21 said:
Well well well you don't get them better than this

http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/

That's one of the best rants I've read in a long time.






Ark-AMN said:
blind anger is as bad as blind support. My point is that all your anger is being wasted on Bush and you're ignoring that he's just one man, and that there's a larger system out there responsible for this.

:lol Blind anger? The bullshit is staring everybody in the fucking face...ain't no one blind but anyone who's defending this monkey show.






Ark-AMN said:
I'm gonna stop, as its pretty useless arguing logic against emotion. And you people are way too damn emotional for your own good.

:lol And I guess Geraldo was too emotional for his own good...






Ark-AMN said:
I said I'm not going to argue with any of you anymore cause I'm just getting a freaking huge migrane here. You people will damn Bush no matter what and I'm not going to keep banging my head against a bunch of brick walls.

Then shut the fuck up already, cause choads like you are giving me diarrhea.
 
Raoul Duke said:
So Olimario, would you say that our Dear Leader's actions so far have been consistent with what a good Christian would do? I hear that he managed to squeeze a round of golf in on Thursday. I wonder how many people died while he was driving the fairways and putting? Or while the Secretary of State was shopping for shoes and watching a musical instead of answering offers of aid from foreign countries?

This is the equivalent of Marie Antoinette saying "Let them eat cake", except of course these people are eating NOTHING and DYING. I wish that I could say that I'm shocked, except that I'm not. There are two Americas and this tragedy drives the point home. If you're poor, you don't count for shit.

I called into the soup kitchen/shelter where I volunteer once a week and told them that I was going to be spending that day each week helping the Red Cross. I've already donated money, old clothes and supplies. I start at Atlanta headquarters on Monday, and I'm thinking about clearing out my second living room as a room for some refugees if I can get my roommates to agree. I wonder if any of the refugees will get to stay on the ranch at Crawford, now that Dear Leader's vacation is finally over with? Somehow I doubt it.

just when I thought I could respect your opinion anymore... you are the f'ing man.. if you find any of my Aunts, Uncles or cousins tell them to call their family members...
 
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