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I just got denied citizenship foooor *drumroll*

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PS360 said:
It's not like this was even assault, or drug possession....a ****in weed pipe! Not to mention that it was the first time I had ever been in trouble with the law (and have not been in since).

While I understand your fight for citizenship I don't think saying IT'S JUST A WEED PIPE makes any difference. That's like...WELL IT WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF COKE!!! It's against the law, the end. The people looking at your citizenship application probably often ask themselves, well if this person doesn't follow this law (regardless of what it may be), what stops them from breaking others?
 
Fairly Incredible said:
A citizen has the courage to make the safety of the human race their personal responsibility.
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If you know that you were going to apply for citizenship, why in the hell would you change it just to get high? Just doesn't make much sense to me. Is the weed you getting just that good? Is it worth it? But I am glad you see the humor in the situation.
 
ToyMachine228 said:
While I understand your fight for citizenship I don't think saying IT'S JUST A WEED PIPE makes any difference. That's like...WELL IT WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF COKE!!! It's against the law, the end. The people looking at your citizenship application probably often ask themselves, well if this person doesn't follow this law (regardless of what it may be), what stops them from breaking others?

Coke?!?!?!!

That's a Schedule I controlled substance!!!

Of course, they don't know that i will NEVER break the law again. But considering I had never been in trouble previous to the incident (and haven't been for 5 years since) and took a 3 month drug awareness class, I think that should enough assurance. Maybe that's why I don't work for the US CIS I guess.

dskillzhtown said:
If you know that you were going to apply for citizenship, why in the hell would you change it just to get high? Just doesn't make much sense to me. Is the weed you getting just that good? Is it worth it? But I am glad you see the humor in the situation.

What can I say? I was planning on smoking while at the beach, yes.
 
dskillzhtown said:
If you know that you were going to apply for citizenship, why in the hell would you change it just to get high? Just doesn't make much sense to me. Is the weed you getting just that good? Is it worth it? But I am glad you see the humor in the situation.

Yea, I'm sure every time he smoked he thought about how he was choosing weed over his citizenship opportunity. Cause that makes ****ing sense, right?
 
Chichikov said:
Every time I file my taxes I want to just write "No taxation without representation" all over my 1040.
Then I think better of it.
I'd rather not test the IRS's sense of historical irony.
That would be awesome! :lol
 
iapetus said:
Given the Paris Hilton witch hunt going on in other threads...

Haha well rest assured I would not be crying and screaming if I was convicted to 45 days in jail for what Paris did. Especially if I knew that, upon release, I'd still be a millionaire for the rest of my natural life with few things to worry about.
 
PS360 said:
Good ol' internets:



I did find this:



But posession of paraphanlia is still not a felony under federal law. And that is precisely my charge. It's not trafficking. It's possession.

I do not find it logical to be put in the same category as a murderer, a trafficker of illicit drugs/firearms, or any of the aforementioned crimes.

This is madness.

THIS...IS..AMERICAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Yup, ****ed up laws.

http://trac.syr.edu/immigration/reports/155/

. A good example of this concerns Carlos Pacheco who entered the US with a green card as a 6-year old child. In 2000 a federal appeals court agreed that he was an aggravated felon based on his misdemeanor conviction in Rhode Island for stealing some Tylenol and cigarettes.
 
In Canada you can go to a pipe store and buy one without any trouble. Its not illegal to have one on your person in Canada is it?
 
I'm always amazed by the sense of entitlement by non-citizens. You come into a foreign country, have some illegal drugs and you are pissed off. I'm sure the country represents home of the free but we all have to be responsible. You came into a foreign country and seem to feel like you shouldn't have to abide by extra rules. I see nothing wrong with them kicking you out for possesion of drug paraphenalia. Now, whether it's a misdemeanor or not, is up to the courts. It's semantics as well, as far as I'm concerned.
 
skinnyrattler said:
I'm always amazed by the sense of entitlement by non-citizens. You come into a foreign country, have some illegal drugs and you are pissed off. .

What is wrong with some of you, seriously?

Are you this stupid?

Where have I claimed that I should not have to adhere to the laws at the local, state, and federal levels?

I did not have any drugs on me. Do you understand that, or not?

I paid court fees, and spent 1000 dollars on a drug awareness class immediately following the conviction. I was suspended for 6 months from operating a motor vehicle in the state of delaware. I served that suspension and paid all the associated costs. It happened over 5 years ago.

So, please, spare me this "i cant believe the sense of entitlement."

I feel an entitlement not to be classified the same as a murderer and trafficker of drugs and weapons. And I always will.
 
PS360 said:
A simple misdemeanor that happened over 5 years ago :lol

Sometimes I simply have to laugh at the utter incompetence of the US CIS (formerly the INS). These people are ****ing RETARDED.

Back in 2002 (I was 19) a friend of mine and I were going to the Delaware beaches to stay at a friend's house (5 million dollar beach house in Bethany Beach; elevator, 3 decks, movie theater...but I digress)....

...so anyway at one point I pull over to let him piss...and what do you know a curious State Trooper pulls up behind me and starts getting nosey. Long story short we were arrested for possession of paraphanalia (tiny, glass, weed pipe).

On my citizenship application, which was returned to me today, I am accused, by the US CIS, of being guilty of an "aggrevated felony" as defined by some statute they've referenced.

That's right kids. Having a small weed pipe is now an AGGREVATED FELONY...apparently :lol

I'm pissed. It's been such a hassle to travel and such with no passport and just my permanent resident card and now I have to go through a "hearing" so that I can go somewhere and yell at these ****heads and explain to them that possession of paraphanalia has never been an aggrevated felony, nor will it ever be one.

US CIS is surely American beauracracy at its absolute WORST.

I hope none of you ever have to deal with them. If you do....good luck...

What state do you live in? I'm not sure if Republicans are less likely to help with this (I think the positions are pretty standard), but I worked in a Democratic Senator's office and we helped out people with the CIS/INS all the time. Call one of your U.S. Senators and tell them you're having issues with gaining citizenship. They'll have you fill out a privacy release before they can help you, but that's easy and they are surprisingly effective at getting results (as long as you haven't done anything serious).
 
Ya know, I'm not really defending whoever turned down your citizenship, but that was a really ****ing dumb thing to do on your part. You were 19 and knew better.
 
loosus said:
Ya know, I'm not really defending whoever turned down your citizenship, but that was a really ****ing dumb thing to do on your part. You were 19 and knew better.

Agreed.
 
Wow, How can it be illegal to have a pipe without any drugs whatsoever? How did they know you weren't gonna use it for tobacco?
 
PS360 said:
A simple misdemeanor that happened over 5 years ago :lol

Sometimes I simply have to laugh at the utter incompetence of the US CIS (formerly the INS). These people are ****ing RETARDED.

Back in 2002 (I was 19) a friend of mine and I were going to the Delaware beaches to stay at a friend's house (5 million dollar beach house in Bethany Beach; elevator, 3 decks, movie theater...but I digress)....

...so anyway at one point I pull over to let him piss...and what do you know a curious State Trooper pulls up behind me and starts getting nosey. Long story short we were arrested for possession of paraphanalia (tiny, glass, weed pipe).

On my citizenship application, which was returned to me today, I am accused, by the US CIS, of being guilty of an "aggrevated felony" as defined by some statute they've referenced.

That's right kids. Having a small weed pipe is now an AGGREVATED FELONY...apparently :lol

I'm pissed. It's been such a hassle to travel and such with no passport and just my permanent resident card and now I have to go through a "hearing" so that I can go somewhere and yell at these ****heads and explain to them that possession of paraphanalia has never been an aggrevated felony, nor will it ever be one.

US CIS is surely American beauracracy at its absolute WORST.

I hope none of you ever have to deal with them. If you do....good luck...


glad i'm already a citizen
 
loosus said:
So now you understand why you're not being granted citizenship? Thread over? Right? Right?

While I understand PS360's problem with the entire situation, the point still stands that if you're trying to become a citizen of a country, then it's rather stupid to partake in an activity that is clearly illegal in that country.

If the bust was actually for drugs or not, and no matter how they classify it at this point, simply putting yourself in the position where you could be busted for having paraphenia on you is pretty f'ing stupid. Unless, of course, he wasn't a drug user, and then he would have an argument.
 
You're gonna need a lawyer to file a motion to Reconsider/Re-open. I'm an assistant to an Immigration Attorney and he was able to get a guy who had Grand Theft Auto and another guy who had Assault on his record Citizenships.

elostyle said:
So what I'm interested in is how to get that permanent resident card in the first place. I could never figure that out.

Does being caught speeding count against one too?

The easiest way is to get married to a U.S. Citizen. USCIS doesn't really care about traffic tickets.

By the way, to all the people in this thread who are interested in getting Green Cards or Citizenship, USCIS is raising the filing fees July 31 BIG TIME.
 
"How to Make Vaild Points in the Worst Way Possible: How I Got Burned" by PS360.

The caps, the laughing faces, the ****, the crazy use of elipses, the lack of "what I did was dumb" and "I fined and did this program" all meant that you were screwed from 'submit.' :P

For what's is worth, I think you're not being treated unfairly. On the otherhand, dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb. Best of luck. :)
 
LakeEarth said:
In Canada you can go to a pipe store and buy one without any trouble. Its not illegal to have one on your person in Canada is it?

No, not at all, Canada has no anti paraphenalia laws afaik, you just have to be of legal age to buy smokes (19)
 
Karmacide said:
By the way, to all the people in this thread who are interested in getting Green Cards or Citizenship, USCIS is raising the filing fees July 31 BIG TIME.

Again?

It used be sub-$200 back in 2002-2003, and it was up to $400 when I applied last year. Now I hear it is up to $500.
 
Karmacide said:
You're gonna need a lawyer to file a motion to Reconsider/Re-open. I'm an assistant to an Immigration Attorney and he was able to get a guy who had Grand Theft Auto and another guy who had Assault on his record Citizenships.

They've provided me with the form for a hearing to appeal the decision. I will probably hire a lawyer as well. Although to be honest, I'm fairly certain I could make a good enough argument myself.
 
reilo said:
Again?

It used be sub-$200 back in 2002-2003, and it was up to $400 when I applied last year. Now I hear it is up to $500.


The N-400 Application for Citizenship is raising from $400 to $675.

It's normal for the fees to raise about 5-15 dollars a year. This year, they've proposed a whole new fee schedule. The average increase is 66% and some forms have more than doubled. I've been pretty busy lately, because of all the people who are scrambling to file their papers before the deadline.
 
Man, that sucks man. I filed my citizenship papers not too long ago, anticipating a nasty jump in application fees. I had an appointment to get my fingerprints taken for the FBI profile almost exactly a month ago, but no real update on the status of my case. I did register on their website for emailed updates, at least.
 
PS360 said:
Well I appreciate that.

I just read what you quoted and noticed that I included an accidental double negative. Take two:

Dumb screw up on your part but I do hope that you gain citizenship. Best of luck! :)
 
CabbageRed said:
Dumb screw up on your part but I do hope that you gain citizenship. Best of luck! :)

Haha thanks.

I would be completely open to completing another class/community service specifically for the US CIS to clear this up.

But I'm of the opinion that it is illogical to put me in the same category as a f'in MURDERER. I mean come on.

I will infilitrate your ranks yet, US citizens!
 
Let me ask you this, is smoking weed the product of you living in the US or have you done that before living in the country?
I find it funny that there's so many arseholes in this thread trying to make you look bad and claiming that you're not worthy of living in the US, but i'd take a guess that the reason you smoke weed is more than likely a product of your stay in the country and would likely not have been the case if you lived elsewhere.
Regardless of the situation, I don't believe that it's in anyway right that you are put in this predicament for merely owning a pipe.
 
PS360 said:
They've provided me with the form for a hearing to appeal the decision. I will probably hire a lawyer as well. Although to be honest, I'm fairly certain I could make a good enough argument myself.

From you're posts in this thread you obviously realize that you're fighting an obtuse bureaucracy. Remember the first rule of dealing with a government bureacracy: you're chances of a positive outcome are inversely proportional to how big of a dick the person before you was. :p

Best of luck!
 
Stinkles said:
I'm applying this week. Nothing on my record that I know about.

Good luck!

My family got our green cards through the last major amnesty... back in the mid-80s, IIRC? But they never took it a step further. Paying for that mistake now... literally.
 
Mejilan said:
Good luck!

My family got our green cards through the last major amnesty... back in the mid-80s, IIRC? But they never took it a step further. Paying for that mistake now... literally.

I hear that, My 2 older sisters are bitching about all the cash they have to pay now. Dumbasses should have done them when my Parents did theirs.
 
So let me get this straight. You guys are saying the guy doesn't deserve citizenship because he had a pipe on him, but soon your government will pass a bill granting citizenship to millions of illegal immigrants, some of which will have had committed crimes in and outside of your country but you'll never find out what, and that's ok?
 
EternalDarko said:
Let me ask you this, is smoking weed the product of you living in the US or have you done that before living in the country?
I find it funny that there's so many arseholes in this thread trying to make you look bad and claiming that you're not worthy of living in the US, but i'd take a guess that the reason you smoke weed is more than likely a product of your stay in the country and would likely not have been the case if you lived elsewhere.
Regardless of the situation, I don't believe that it's in anyway right that you are put in this predicament for merely owning a pipe.

Well I moved to the States when i was 14. My first time smoking was just before my 18th birthday. I wouldn't say that it was a "product" of living here. I was just too young and too dis-interested in it before that time.

And, don't worry. I know I am worthy of living here in the U.S., as a full citizen. I don't feel entitled to it, but I do feel I have deserved it. I made a mistake, yes, but considering that it did not involve bodily harm or loss of property to anyone, and considering that I was sober and had no drugs on me, in addition to the things I've done post-conviction, I think I've made up for that mistake.

What I can tell you is that I've grown up on 3 continents in 5 countries and the U.S. is, as far as I'm concerned, the best place (for me).

I haven't taken anything anyone has said personally. If you are convinced that my mistake is grounds for not being a citizen, I understand. I strongly disagree, but I fully understand.
 
Ether_Snake said:
So let me get this straight. You guys are saying the guy doesn't deserve citizenship because he had a pipe on him, but soon your government will pass a bill granting citizenship to millions of illegal immigrants, some of which will have had committed crimes in and outside of your country but you'll never find out what, and that's ok?
I imagine that most of the people who are giving PS360 a hard time also do not support the current immigration bill. America, **** YEAH!
 
Ether_Snake said:
So let me get this straight. You guys are saying the guy doesn't deserve citizenship because he had a pipe on him, but soon your government will pass a bill granting citizenship to millions of illegal immigrants, some of which will have had committed crimes in and outside of your country but you'll never find out what, and that's ok?

That bill is pretty much dead Snake, at least in its current form. Besides you have it wrong, those people would get in line behind everyone else, and there is not promise of citizenship, just the oppertunity.

You seemed to ignore my advice before man, but seriously CALL YOUR SENATOR (their local office, not D.C.). They can help a ton, and they won't charge you a dime unlike a lawyer.
 
joeposh said:
That bill is pretty much dead Snake, at least in its current form.

You seemed to ignore my advice before man, but seriously CALL YOUR SENATOR (their local office, not D.C.). They can help a ton, and they won't charge you a dime unlike a lawyer.

We've been in contact with our congressman. And I wasn't ignoring it, just didn't respond to it directly. I appreciate the tip.
 
glistenm said:
Unfortunately, you're a victim of shitty drug laws like someone else mentioned. If you look through all the laws for what consitutes "aggravated felony" you'll see a large portion dedicate to "softening" up the definition of "aggravate felony" to include minor drug infractions.
But see, when he was convicted, it was a misdemeanor.

Surely they can't change the conviction from misdemeanor to felony five years after the fact, can they?
 
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