I just watched The Rise of Skywalker and...

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... and I'll be honest with you, it wasn't that bad.

The plot in terms of cohesion is a joke but so is Star Wars as a whole. The visuals and pew pew pew are pretty spot on despite some ocasional wonky coreography. Works pretty good as a popcorn movie if you ask me.

What made me see it with brighter eyes though is that I think they actually tried to fix the tons of shit made in TLJ, and that's no easy task.

Finn got some proper action, Luke corrected the disrespect towards history and the older generations, the asian cunt chick barely got screen time... and I think the message was actually anti-sjw, which is always good...

Anyway, you can't wipe clean the amount of shit they made with TLJ, but at least in TROS they showed some meta respect to the fanbase and to the saga itself.

Does it align with the cartoons and comics and universe of the franchise? I don't know, I'm not a huge fan of Star Wars, but, unlike the shitshow that was TLJ, with TROS they made a watchable movie for normal people,
 
I enjoyed the entire sequel trilogy.

Force Awakens was probably the biggest bummer in theaters because it was such a retread of A New Hope but I very much came to appreciate that on subsequent viewings.

Last Jedi is my favorite of the three. Please don't throw tomatoes at me.
 
Last Jedi is my favorite of the three. Please don't throw tomatoes at me.

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I tried watching it again after it had its home release and I just was bored. Maybe it's because all the excitement and mystery was gone from my first viewing (I didn't know any of the leaks going into it), or maybe it was because I had just watched Birds of Prey and that movie sucked serious ass.

I'll give it another go at some point
 
I tried watching it again after it had its home release and I just was bored. Maybe it's because all the excitement and mystery was gone from my first viewing (I didn't know any of the leaks going into it), or maybe it was because I had just watched Birds of Prey and that movie sucked serious ass.

I'll give it another go at some point
Describes my experience trying to watch every Marvel/Star Wars film from the last 10+ years (excluding Deadpool and Logan). Bored.
 
... and I'll be honest with you, it wasn't that bad.

The plot in terms of cohesion is a joke but so is Star Wars as a whole. The visuals and pew pew pew are pretty spot on despite some ocasional wonky coreography. Works pretty good as a popcorn movie if you ask me.

What made me see it with brighter eyes though is that I think they actually tried to fix the tons of shit made in TLJ, and that's no easy task.

Finn got some proper action, Luke corrected the disrespect towards history and the older generations, the asian cunt chick barely got screen time... and I think the message was actually anti-sjw, which is always good...

Anyway, you can't wipe clean the amount of shit they made with TLJ, but at least in TROS they showed some meta respect to the fanbase and to the saga itself.

Does it align with the cartoons and comics and universe of the franchise? I don't know, I'm not a huge fan of Star Wars, but, unlike the shitshow that was TLJ, with TROS they made a watchable movie for normal people,
Exactly my point of view on this movie.
While it's a horrible movie in a way, at least it tried to repair things.
 
It did try to backtrack on some of the horrible decisions made by the last one, but I can't get past it being a bad movie just because of that. Making it a good movie or having it wrap up the series in a way that makes it a good trilogy was impossible.

That was known before watching it. But it's just a bad movie. It's completely incoherent. There were rumors about it being completely sliced apart and patched together again by the studio at the last minute, and I don't know if that's true at all, but it sure feels that way while watching it.
 
The High Republic is set to launch this upcoming August. Disney is putting as much distance as possible from this film and no one will talk about the sequel trilogy ever again. By setting their new time period in the past, Disney can literally pretend this film didn't happen.

That is the impact and legacy of The Rise of Skywalker.
 
I disagree the cohesion in Star Wars as a whole being a joke. The films each have clear beginnings, middles, and ends, with a clear arc to each trilogy and a consistent tone of playing with themes of coming of age and mythology. Everything about the sequels is manufactured just because the movies need to be made and Rise of Skywalker permanently closed the book on them being anything else.

The Last Jedi is the best film in the trilogy because at least it tried to have a plot and a message. And I hated that movie.
 
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Death Stars that can destroy entire planets.
Massive Star Ships that travel at light speed.
Lightsabers and laser rifles that focus pure energy.

But according to Rise of Skywalker a fleet of ships can't manage to find their way straight up into space without a "beacon".
Riiiiiiiiight.
 
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Remember those kids in 1st grade who were bored in class and would draw Mega ultra darth vader with 12 arms and 400 death stars who could fly and shoot lazer beams from his eyes, had to be beaten by super ninja luke skywalker and didnt care about story or character development or narrative scripting.

Thats RoSW and the sequel trilogy in general.

pure trash
 
Remember those kids in 1st grade who were bored in class and would draw Mega ultra darth vader with 12 arms and 400 death stars who could fly and shoot lazer beams from his eyes, had to be beaten by super ninja luke skywalker and didnt care about story or character development or narrative scripting.

Thats RoSW and the sequel trilogy in general.

pure trash
And then we have the Mandalorian, where one AT-ST is a huge thread, and where one Tie Fighter wrecks shit.
That's how it should feel instead of that overinflation of weaponry shown in the prequels and sequels.
 
I still have to watch it but from what i heard, i probably gonna like it a little more more than the previous 2 films even if it is still a shitshiw of a film.
 
Visually it looked awesome at times and there are some nice moments in the movie. I liked it ok but this trilogy was totally ruined by the bullshit that is TLJ.
 
Death Stars that can destroy entire planets.
Massive Star Ships that travel at light speed.
Lightsabers and laser rifles that focus pure energy.

But according to Rise of Skywalker a fleet of ships can't manage to find their way straight up into space without a "beacon".
Riiiiiiiiight.
And nevermind that there's still a beacon on the ground that everyone just forgot about.

Still it's not as bad as TLJ. I'd go as far as saying that I actually enjoyed watching it for the most part.
 
It definitely feels the most standalone of the new films but that is because Episode 8 ended the narrative in chapter 2. TROS basically sets up its own premise in the first 5 minutes then follows that story. It definitely suffers from trying to cram 2 films worth of material into a couple of hours. Still infinitely better than the last jedi though, in every way shape and form.
 
Like a few others in this thread, I thought TLJ was a better movie. That's to say, none of them were good Star Wars films, and without the Star Wars name, nobody would have rated these above a 6 or gone to see them in the capacity that they did. Rise of Skywalker might be my least favorite of the whole new trilogy. The entire movie feels like it was written backwards so that they didn't have to actually think of anything or make any interesting plot points.

Fall down a random hole in a desert planet? Let's heal a snake and get a knife that's really a map for the exact thing we need. Cool. Oh that healing power? Just throwing that out there since no prior material shows that you can self sacrifice to heal stuff. Wonder if that will be relevant later? Force ghost Han Solo? Why wouldn't they.

This entire movie felt like a disjointed parody of a Star Wars movie written by 30 different people that were all tasked with a single scene.
 
They should have done Duel of the Fates instead
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The duel of the Fates plot was also shit. The best result was a combo of both. More Kylo Screentime, duel vs Vader, rebuilding his mask with Vader parts. And Rey getting her 2 bladed lightsaber with the blue crystal of Anakin. I like the Idea of Kylo failing to redeem himself and Rey ending being a Grey Jedi. The Force Bound also is a good idea (it's the main theme of KOTOR2 and used very similar) and even the "It was Palpatine's plan" to steal Kylo's body.

But we had a bunch of "want but can't" in the theater movie we got.
 
My close friend died who was very big star wars fan hate the way he died miss him dearly I'm just glad he never got witness such butchery.
 
No, it's not bad and Abrams did as much as anyone could to undo Last Jedi. It's just a very forgettable movie required to do too much and saddled with too much baggage.

It made for an amicable separation.
 
There's rumours about releasing a "better" cut of the film on Disney plus in the future.

I've also heard from sources that Lucasfilm is being divided in two: half of Star Wars content will be under Kathy Kennedy and the other half will be under Favreau/Feloni/George Lucas.

Also, the Obi Kenobi show will have an episode featuring Darth Vader with James Earl Jones already signed to do the voice.

Long story short, the Disney trilogy is trash; but there is hope on the horizon.
 
They should have done Duel of the Fates instead
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see i like this art but honestly given the leaked script dont think that movie would have necessarily turned out better. these two photos are also old ideas we have already seen; Rey and Kylo Ren fighting and a "new" Dark Rey costume that just steals another thing of Luke's, this time from ROTJ. the double saber is cool but again Darth Maul. where is something genuinely new? the grey Jedi stuff, i don't buy it. never thought it was interesting.
No, it's not bad and Abrams did as much as anyone could to undo Last Jedi. It's just a very forgettable movie required to do too much and saddled with too much baggage.

It made for an amicable separation.
i agree w this take, except for the bold. it is a common thing to say JJ "undid the Last Jedi" or "didn't like it" or "tried to appease haters". i might agree with the very last one there, but imo he merely tried to continue from there, to pay homage to Rian's film, by returning to ideas he introduced, rather than ignoring them entirely. he goes back to Rian's island, to cement the important of that place, where Luke apparently is trapped forever now (like he was in Rian's movie), and where he does believe in the Jedi continuing, like he does at the end of his character arc in the Last Jedi. remember? he tells Kylo "I will not be the last Jedi", it's part of his big speech of how he "owns" Kylo in a Twitter rant about how the war will always go on and how Rey has the Jedi texts and will continue that path. so yes, them revisiting that planet is a direct homage to Rian's idea.

the revelation that Luke trained Leia and the whole flashback and her secret lightsaber, again, all of that is building off what Rian did with Leia in the last movie. her whole Mary Poppins sequence where she shockingly reveals that she has been trained in the force is paid off by JJ with this whole plot point. it is one of the few connecting tissues that remain solid and which goes some way to paying off the whole "Skywalker" bloodline theme.

when Leia died, i had thought that she was doing a form of Force Projection, that she was sending herself to Kylo. similar to what Luke did in TLJ but more her life force (a concept introduced in TROS). Leia and Kylo die at the same moment, except Leia is sending her life force to Kylo, so in one way, she lives through Kylo. from this moment on he is Ben Solo, he is his mother's son, and possibly, her force spirit as well. the transferring of life force idea imo has a lot of potentials for interperetation, and the way i saw it, by the time Rey has been killed and healed by the sacrifice of Kylo's life force, it is somewhat implied that Rey is herself the vessel for Leia's life force, passed to her from Kylo Ren. Ben Solo sacrificing his life for that of a stranger, who in reality turns out to be his mother in another body? it certainly sounds like a Greek myth or something. i find that satisfactory.

JJ paid tribute to TLJ very much, it is just that TLJ warriors have such thin skins that any commentary on their beloved masterpiece is to be mocked or blown out of proportion as some toxic ploy. people liked the flashy visuals of Holdo's lightspeed? then let's have the Emperor shooting lightning at a thousand spaceships. it just so happens that yes JJ just isn't that great a writer, but he was trying to build from what Rian was doing in good faith. this is why he put in the Holdo explanation, how small a chance that was, highlighting that she knew it was probably certain death and made the sacrifice in light of that. is that not honoring it? yet people said it was a dig at the movie.

even the much-derrided Kylo-Rey kiss, that is there purely to satisfy the Tumblr feeds and Twitter threads and animated GIF tributes to Reylo. which was a movement almost entirely inspired by the deliberately sexy (Rian went on and on about that damn hand scene) pairing decision he bizarrely chose to go with. these are people who edited the scene where Rey and Kylo are on an elevator so that the two of them are closer to each other, and now that is the most popularly posted version of that scene. all those fans tweeting hashtags, those people who love TLJ to death and were the Tweet army, many of whom ended up harassing the actors and director of TROS, those are the people to blame for the Reylo kiss.
 
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There's rumours about releasing a "better" cut of the film on Disney plus in the future.

I've also heard from sources that Lucasfilm is being divided in two: half of Star Wars content will be under Kathy Kennedy and the other half will be under Favreau/Feloni/George Lucas.

Also, the Obi Kenobi show will have an episode featuring Darth Vader with James Earl Jones already signed to do the voice.

Long story short, the Disney trilogy is trash; but there is hope on the horizon.

This all sounds like wishful thinking fanboy bullshit.
 
No, it's not bad and Abrams did as much as anyone could to undo Last Jedi. It's just a very forgettable movie required to do too much and saddled with too much baggage.

It made for an amicable separation.
Yep, as much as I didn't like RoS I don't blame JJ for it. This is all on Disney and Kathleen Kennedy for making this mess. JJ should have been allowed to direct all 3 films. One director, one vision and they should have had a complete story they wanted to tell before even starting it, not just make shit up as they go along.
 
The issue was WHY COULDN'T THEY HAVE MAPPED OUT A 3 MOVIE STORY ARC?

They pulled a 'Lost' and made it all up as they went along with no real goal in mind!
 
it is a common thing to say JJ "undid the Last Jedi" or "didn't like it" or "tried to appease haters". i might agree with the very last one there, but imo he merely tried to continue from there, to pay homage to Rian's film, by returning to ideas he introduced, rather than ignoring them entirely.

Well, call it a salvage mission then.
 
The general feeling I've got is that if you loved The Last Jedi you'll think Rise of Skywalker is trash, and if you hated The Last Jedi, you'll think Rise of Skywalker is at least passible.

As someone that loved The Last Jedi and heard how much RoS attempts to retcon it, I don't think I'll ever bother watching it.
 
I enjoyed the entire sequel trilogy.

Force Awakens was probably the biggest bummer in theaters because it was such a retread of A New Hope but I very much came to appreciate that on subsequent viewings.

Last Jedi is my favorite of the three. Please don't throw tomatoes at me.

Other than the Canto Bight chapter(s) I would maybe agree. That whole arc just took me way out of the movie, though. I did really like other parts of it, though
 
I think it was the best of the bunch out of the new trilogy but that's not saying much. The Poe and Finn characters ruin it for me. Plus, it looked too crisp and clean. I wish there was some grittiness to the film overall like the original trilogy/The Mandalorian.
 
MacGuffin that have MacGuffins which indeed have MacGuffins of their own.

Sometimes it's a light saber that turns out to be nothing, sometimes it's a code breaker dude, sometimes it's a beacon, a knife, a navigation system.....
 
My cousin tells me that the books (yeah, who reads those) do a lot more justice to the characters than the movie. However I just cant take what the new movies did to Luke, and how they killed off everyone of the classics only to leave us with worse versions all around. And the whole bit at the end, wow that was a slap in the face. At least Calrissian isn't dead (yet).
 
wait a fucking moment, 30 min in and poe call this skinny bitch the best pilot in the resistance and she can also cure wounds with the force? since fucking when?

how mary sue-ish are gonna make this chick by the end of the film? can she summon asteroids like madara uchiha?

and the humor is such a shitty tier, do people really get payed to write these exchanges between the protagonist?

edit: oh and she can trap a fucking spaceship with one hand aaaaaaaand throwing force thunders?

yeah i'm out, this bullshit doesn't deserve my time...what a shitshow.
thank god i didn't payed to watch this turd in a cinema theater.
 
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this movie deserves to burn in hell simply because it ended the star wars saga by having a Palpatine Mary Sue who earned nothing appropriate the Skywalker name and drive the final nail into the Star Wars coffin KK and RJ were building.

What a legacy. Rey.... Rey Skywalker.

Should go down as one of the biggest blunders in cinematic history.
 
I'm still pretty eh on it, but rewatching parts of it on Disney+ at least let me appreciate how the film was shot and the sound design. It's actually a great-sounding film.
 
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wait a fucking moment, 30 min in and poe call this skinny bitch the best pilot in the resistance and she can also cure wounds with the force? since fucking when?

how mary sue-ish are gonna make this chick by the end of the film? can she summon asteroids like madara uchiha?

and the humor is such a shitty tier, do people really get payed to write these exchanges between the protagonist?

edit: oh and she can trap a fucking spaceship with one hand aaaaaaaand throwing force thunders?

yeah i'm out, this bullshit doesn't deserve my time...what a shitshow.
thank god i didn't payed to watch this turd in a cinema theater.
But isn't she like the chosen one and shit?

Any story with "chosen heroes" do this kind of crap, be it Matrix, Naruto, Spider-Man, DBZ, whatever... all have a that extra something something when pushed to the limit...

I'm not a Star Wars fan and I don't know the "rules" of the frachise universe or whatever, so, from my non fan point of view, what Rey does is no different than what any other main character hero does
 
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this movie deserves to burn in hell simply because it ended the star wars saga by having a Palpatine Mary Sue who earned nothing appropriate the Skywalker name and drive the final nail into the Star Wars coffin KK and RJ were building.

What a legacy. Rey.... Rey Skywalker.

Should go down as one of the biggest blunders in cinematic history.

Again, she was the main character and Skywalker is the name of the good guys that also happen to be her masters... Palpatine is the bad main guy name and although it's her family she chose to be good guys...

That's just about it. It's dumb but cute and effective in aligning her with the good guys.
 
But isn't she like the chosen one and shit?

Any story with "chosen heroes" do this kind of crap, be it Matrix, Naruto, Spider-Man, DBZ, whatever... all have a that extra something something when pushed to the limit...

I'm not a Star Wars fan and I don't know the "rules" of the frachise universe or whatever, so, from my non fan point of view, what Rey does is no different than what any other main character hero does
she is extremely op and better than anyone with anything, and she never trained enough to get to this point, she is just a choosen one for the sake of it.

except for neo, all the other chara you cited trained a shitload to have that level and they are not perfect in everything they do compared to this chick, naruto, spidey and goku fails sometimes.

for 2 films poe was the better and more experienced pilot, and in this turd movie she is better than him? so much better that he almost cry because she wasn't with them? gtfo with this bullshit...
 
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she is extremely op and better than anyone with anything, and she never trained enough to get to this point, she is just a choosen one for the sake of it.

I thought we were talking about Rey, not Anakin in Episode 1.

9 year old who can:

-build podracers
-build a highly advanced droid (this slave sure does have a lot of free time)
-wins a podrace against seasoned veterans despite even having a significant delay due to sabotage
-has higher Force potential than fucking YODA of all people
-is the center of a prophecy despite that raising a lot of questions of how a Force prophecy would even work (did a thing of text just appear? Did they see a vague vision and just bullshit out a meaning for it?) and this never being mentioned once in the OT despite so much of it focusing on Anakin/Vader
-can competently fly a Naboo starfighter (apparently the original pilot was either a little person, Jawa, or Ewok, because how the fuck is the damn 9 year old able to sit normally in that thing) and lucks his way into blowing up the mothership which ENDS THE ENTIRE BATTLE

You know, when Obi-Wan said in the OT that Anakin was already strong in the Force and a skilled pilot when he met him*, I assumed he meant at least a teenager who happened to be strong in the Force but not the "best evah" (considering in the OT it seemed clear Yoda and Palpatine were stronger in the Force than Vader), as opposed to a child who is so fucking special I'm surprised he didn't also figure out the cure for cancer.

*then again, I'm pretty sure Lucas forget plenty of stuff from the OT when making the prequels. Oh, so Leia remembers her mom, did she? Guess people in the SW universe can remember stuff from when they were just born. Oh, so Anakin just learned how to become a Force Ghost from.......no one, since I doubt Qui-Gon's ghost told him, and Obi-Wan and Yoda certainly never told him. And of course the hardcore Lucas defenders will trip over themselves defending this shit coming up with baseless assumptions of "oh no, this wasn't a retcon, CLEARLY Lucas meant this vague nonsense as opposed to what the film objectively stated" and honestly I can't even be mad anymore, it's more hilarious to me now. Lucas himself even stated in 2010 that he did not plan the OT out, and yet certain fans will still insist he did. I guess Lucas' fans love the man but also like calling him a liar.....
 
I thought we were talking about Rey, not Anakin in Episode 1.

9 year old who can:

-build podracers
-build a highly advanced droid (this slave sure does have a lot of free time)
-wins a podrace against seasoned veterans despite even having a significant delay due to sabotage
-has higher Force potential than fucking YODA of all people
-is the center of a prophecy despite that raising a lot of questions of how a Force prophecy would even work (did a thing of text just appear? Did they see a vague vision and just bullshit out a meaning for it?) and this never being mentioned once in the OT despite so much of it focusing on Anakin/Vader
-can competently fly a Naboo starfighter (apparently the original pilot was either a little person, Jawa, or Ewok, because how the fuck is the damn 9 year old able to sit normally in that thing) and lucks his way into blowing up the mothership which ENDS THE ENTIRE BATTLE

You know, when Obi-Wan said in the OT that Anakin was already strong in the Force and a skilled pilot when he met him*, I assumed he meant at least a teenager who happened to be strong in the Force but not the "best evah" (considering in the OT it seemed clear Yoda and Palpatine were stronger in the Force than Vader), as opposed to a child who is so fucking special I'm surprised he didn't also figure out the cure for cancer.

*then again, I'm pretty sure Lucas forget plenty of stuff from the OT when making the prequels. Oh, so Leia remembers her mom, did she? Guess people in the SW universe can remember stuff from when they were just born. Oh, so Anakin just learned how to become a Force Ghost from.......no one, since I doubt Qui-Gon's ghost told him, and Obi-Wan and Yoda certainly never told him. And of course the hardcore Lucas defenders will trip over themselves defending this shit coming up with baseless assumptions of "oh no, this wasn't a retcon, CLEARLY Lucas meant this vague nonsense as opposed to what the film objectively stated" and honestly I can't even be mad anymore, it's more hilarious to me now. Lucas himself even stated in 2010 that he did not plan the OT out, and yet certain fans will still insist he did. I guess Lucas' fans love the man but also like calling him a liar.....
rey is even more capable than him, and she doesn't have all the training he had.
she block a fucking spaceship with one hands with relatively ease ffs...yoda had some difficult to block far smaller things in the films, and vader after all the training with the supreme sith lord wasn't capable of firing fucking sith thunders without even trying...
she was an ace pilot of the millenium falcon with almost zero experience in driving big spaceships, anakin at least trained to do pod races.
And she was already super good with a lightsaber just because he defended herself from some low tier scumbags with a wooden stick, come the fuck on...
 
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