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"I need a new PC!" 2010 Edition

TheExodu5 said:
This is honestly no longer a pro to buying a new socket, since Intel has been releasing 1 set of CPUs per socket these days.

1156 and 1366 are as dead now as they were the day they launched.
But 1155 should have hexacores launched at non mind numbing prices. That's a benefit over 1156 at the very least :lol
 
itxaka said:
Just an FYI for anyone interested.

I bought a Coolermaster V8 (an another 4 gb of ram, it was cheap!) and the thing is gotta be one of the best cpu fans out there.

I went from having around 55º on idle to 65º on 100% cpu load to be on 28º idle and 40º on 100% cpu load. This thing is a fucking monster, and I can't stress how silent it is compared to a stock fan.
Silent? I like the sound of that. On my radar now.
 
I was wondering:
can i hook up both my 1200p monitor AND a 1080p TV to my PC, doing the dual monitor stuff? I mean, even though they have different resolutions, does that matter?
 
Fredescu said:
Just to give you different connectivity options. My 4890 has five video outputs but it can only use two at once. Prior to the 5xxx series you were limited to two per card. They added Eyefinity in the 5xxx series to give you the option of up to six per card.


Yeah, now I understand that, thanks.

I am curious though. Is there no way to turn off one and turn on the other? I've tried in CCC and W7 Display settings. It sees the HDTV and lists it as 1 of 3 displays but I can't turn off one of my Monitors and turn on the HDTV, it's just not detecting it.

I remember years ago I use to do this switcharoo in the settings to out to my regular TV and had no problem with it ... but I can't seem to get it to work.

Basically, can you have multiple things hooked up through the connections in the back and toggle which 2 you want to use?

I have until Christmas to figure this out ... that's when I will open up my Fanatec Wheel and be able to enter the glorious world of 1080P 60FPS with all settings maxed glorious NFS:HP2 racing awesomeness.


UrbanRats said:
I was wondering:
can i hook up both my 1200p monitor AND a 1080p TV to my PC, doing the dual monitor stuff? I mean, even though they have different resolutions, does that matter?

Depends on your video card, but yeah, you can "extend" and just change the resolution according to the display and it should work fine.
 
what is the consensus concerning Sandy Bridge? i've been rocking a Q6600@3ghz + 6GB of DDR for a little over two years at this point with little complaints in performance. i recently upgraded a 4850 to a GTX 460.

i'm tempted to upgrade to a Core i7 considering how much prices have dropped over the last 6 months, but with SB so close i'm not sure it's worth it to buy now.
 
Can anyone tell me what the consensus is on the GTX580, never used a Nvidia card before, thinking of replacing my PC's 5970 with it, or should i stick with the 6970


just for clarification, I need the 5970, as I intend to flash it and mod it into my MacPro, thanks
 
How are MSI Video Cards, I've found a GTX 580 which is MSI branded. I've always bought EVGA for nVidia, but I can't find any at 500$ or even in stock.

edit: Or ever Zotac VC's
 
pyros said:
Can anyone tell me what the consensus is on the GTX580, never used a Nvidia card before, thinking of replacing my PC's 5970 with it, or should i stick with the 6970


Personally, I think it's the best GPU on the market right now. It's a significantly improved GTX 480 with plenty of horsepower to churn through pretty much anything (except for goddamned Metro 2033).

I'm more of an Nvida guy, so I'll admit my clear bias before I make my next statement: Nvidia's drivers are the gold standard--not that AMDs are horrible or anything, but Nvidia really has their bases covered in terms of minimal driver issues.
 
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Same guy did until 5.3ghz (yeah I saw the vcore) all with air cooling!

Still can't wait for my 2500k or 2600k!
 
caliblue15 said:
1.5 vcore? What the hell are his temps like. :lol

Apparently still enough to cool via air (which is impressive as well). I am really happy if I can squeeze 4,5-4,7 out of mine.
 
opticalmace said:
I don't understand what you're ranting about. You are upset that some people want to buy Sandy Bridge shortly after its release? It's their money, and SB will offer improved performance compared to the current CPUs (at the same price), so what's the problem?
TheExodu5 said:
They're not limited that much by mobos at all. The only big limitation with 1155 mobos is that SLI setups will only get 8x/8x on the PCIe. Otherwise, people are getting near 5GHz overclocks. What's the problem exactly?
The reasoning just defies my personal logic, that's all. I'm not mad that people are buying the new tech, it just seems like a bad move. I know, early adopters usually are the ones who get 'screwed' in terms of price and tech, but it's just something I wouldn't dive into in terms of motherboard technology, even if I would for things like... cell phones, or TVs, or even game consoles. I can't really explain it well. Just forget it.
 
pyros said:
Can anyone tell me what the consensus is on the GTX580, never used a Nvidia card before, thinking of replacing my PC's 5970 with it, or should i stick with the 6970


just for clarification, I need the 5970, as I intend to flash it and mod it into my MacPro, thanks

buy it if you want the best single chip performance. About the same avg fps in current games as the 5970, somewhat more future proof with its higher tessellation performance and no potential micro-stuttering when the frame rates drop. Heat is around 5970 levels, noise should be lower

if the 5970's crossfire experience was no problem for you, you can always think about getting a 6970 or a gtx570 and getting a 2nd card later on (also get a 6970 if you play at really high resolutions for its 2 GB memory)


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Sandy Bridge is looking great, definitely getting a 2500k or 2600k ASAP

as for the "waiting to mature" thought; I sorta understand it as I almost always buy new computer stuff 8~12 months after their introduction, but looking at what Intel produced in the past years I'm pretty confident there will be no issues with it ...

most early adopter issues I remember is from having multiple companies besides AMD & Intel (aka VIA & Nvidia) create chipsets, some of which got noticable upgrades within 6 months after release (Via KT133 and KT133A etc) ... those times seem long forgotten (THANK GOD)
 
flyinpiranha said:
Yeah, now I understand that, thanks.

I am curious though. Is there no way to turn off one and turn on the other? I've tried in CCC and W7 Display settings. It sees the HDTV and lists it as 1 of 3 displays but I can't turn off one of my Monitors and turn on the HDTV, it's just not detecting it.

I remember years ago I use to do this switcharoo in the settings to out to my regular TV and had no problem with it ... but I can't seem to get it to work.

Basically, can you have multiple things hooked up through the connections in the back and toggle which 2 you want to use?
I think you should be able to, yeah. I did it for a few hours. I didn't use CCC though, just the Windows 7 display settings interface.
 
Fredescu said:
I think you should be able to, yeah. I did it for a few hours. I didn't use CCC though, just the Windows 7 display settings interface.

Hrm ... I know the HDMI cable works because when I first hooked it up and restarted my PC back when I first got the card installed it changed the screen when my gf was watching TV.

I wonder what is causing the issue. I can't get the HDTV to display at all. I've tried all 4 HDMI ports on the TV. I might just unhook the cable, then restart, then shut down, hook it up, then start it up again ... I don't know. Kind of at a loss here and my Optical Audio cable comes tomorrow too ...

8 days to get it working!
 
flyinpiranha said:
Hrm ... I know the HDMI cable works because when I first hooked it up and restarted my PC back when I first got the card installed it changed the screen when my gf was watching TV.

I wonder what is causing the issue. I can't get the HDTV to display at all. I've tried all 4 HDMI ports on the TV. I might just unhook the cable, then restart, then shut down, hook it up, then start it up again ... I don't know. Kind of at a loss here and my Optical Audio cable comes tomorrow too ...

8 days to get it working!

Thought I read somewhere that you can use two from the 2x DVI/HDMI and 1 or 2 of the mini display ports at a time for 3/4 monitors. Maybe I'm remembering wrong.
 
Darkatomz said:
The reasoning just defies my personal logic, that's all. I'm not mad that people are buying the new tech, it just seems like a bad move. I know, early adopters usually are the ones who get 'screwed' in terms of price and tech, but it's just something I wouldn't dive into in terms of motherboard technology, even if I would for things like... cell phones, or TVs, or even game consoles. I can't really explain it well. Just forget it.

E6600, i5 750, i5 920....yeah shit these were all awful, awful products for people who bought them at launch.

*snicker*

Mind stating specifics instead of just blanket statements? Yeah early products have a higher chance of having problems. Regardless, Intel's track record is nearly impeccable.

Why wait a year, and pay essentially the same price just on the off chance that there are minor issues with new motherboards? Come on.
 
I'm pretty disappointed that Intel is using a new socket for these so early. 1156, and 1366 are going be useless after these things comes out.
 
Stable at 4.2ghz. Bus at 200mhz, Multi at 21, vcore at 1.376...

I should be able to just change the multi without adding much if any vcore right? (4.4ghz means I have to run at 22... grr.)

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1539587

linX finished 15 minutes faster than my 4.0ghz OC. :D

Eh, 4.4 isn't coming unless i really up the voltage and my temps are too high for comfort.

Now trying to balance out the 4.2ghz speed by slowly bringing down the vcore to save the chip in the long run. i think for 4.4 i'll need a better heatsink if I want to stay air.
 
Maybe someone here could help me with a problem: I want to display the content of my PS3 through my PC. I guess it's like wanting to capture footage, except I don't want to save anything; just display the audio and video on the PC.

For that I would need a capture card/device, right? Would something like the Blackmagic Intensity Pro do the trick? Would it create some lag?
 
Vhalyar said:
Maybe someone here could help me with a problem: I want to display the content of my PS3 through my PC. I guess it's like wanting to capture footage, except I don't want to save anything; just display the audio and video on the PC.

For that I would need a capture card/device, right? Would something like the Blackmagic Intensity Pro do the trick? Would it create some lag?
Before that, what inputs does your PC monitor have? Mine has HDMI and component, so I could hook it up to the PS3 directly.
 
darthbob said:
That'd be about middle ground.

Scythe also makes excellent fans. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185054

46db, wow. :lol really good air flow... wonder if that's as loud as my heatsink right now.

I do have one question on Case fans, mine end with the 4 prong power connectors that go into the PSU. On the end of that row of connectors like 3 in a row on the PSU, there is a 4 pinned connector that looks like it's supposed to go into the motherboard to allow you to crank up speeds or not.

This 4 pinned connector does not fit anything on my motherboard, am I just SOL on controlling my case fans, or is that supposed to go into the 3 pinned fan connectors on the motherboard and I just don't know how to put it on.
 
Couple of question for the gurus.

I currently have an AM3 motherboard with 2 2GB sticks of DDR3 memory. I am upgrading to an Intel 1366 based motherboard with an i7 950. Will I be able to use my dual sticks of RAM with out any problems, or should I get a triple channel set? Also is there any chance I can reinstall my OEM copy of Windows 7 once I swap motherboards?
 
ChRoNiTe said:
Couple of question for the gurus.

I currently have an AM3 motherboard with 2 2GB sticks of DDR3 memory. I am upgrading to an Intel 1366 based motherboard with an i7 950. Will I be able to use my dual sticks of RAM with out any problems, or should I get a triple channel set? Also is there any chance I can reinstall my OEM copy of Windows 7 once I swap motherboards?

They are made for triple channel, and yes you should be able to reinstall windows.
 
Nolimit_SS said:
I'm not very good at overclocking so I'm kinda lost in what you said.
I did some research and only changed FSB to 400 from 333. Ram is on auto and it uses 800 instead of 1000 so not sure if I should manually set it at 1000 or leave it like that.
What are your specs? CPU, ram and so on.


ChRoNiTe said:
Couple of question for the gurus.

I currently have an AM3 motherboard with 2 2GB sticks of DDR3 memory. I am upgrading to an Intel 1366 based motherboard with an i7 950. Will I be able to use my dual sticks of RAM with out any problems, or should I get a triple channel set? Also is there any chance I can reinstall my OEM copy of Windows 7 once I swap motherboards?
Unless there's a bios or motherboard compatibility issue (qvl-related or otherwise), your current dual channel ram should work.

Your OEM will work with a new build. After installing it, you'll have about 30 days or so to validate the OS. You can do this online or by phone. The automated phone authorization process takes roughly 5-6 minutes.


vocab said:
I'm pretty disappointed that Intel is using a new socket for these so early. 1156, and 1366 are going be useless after these things comes out.
Useless? No. While 1155 SB is an improvement over 1156, it doesn't invalidate it anymore than the first gen Core i parts invalidated 775.


caliblue15 said:
46db, wow. :lol really good air flow... wonder if that's as loud as my heatsink right now.

I do have one question on Case fans, mine end with the 4 prong power connectors that go into the PSU. On the end of that row of connectors like 3 in a row on the PSU, there is a 4 pinned connector that looks like it's supposed to go into the motherboard to allow you to crank up speeds or not.

This 4 pinned connector does not fit anything on my motherboard, am I just SOL on controlling my case fans, or is that supposed to go into the 3 pinned fan connectors on the motherboard and I just don't know how to put it on.
That 4-pin connector is molex and it's attached to the standard 3-pin fan connectors of your case fans. If you want to control their speed, you'll need something like a dedicated fan controller, or a in-line adapter to slowdown their speed.
 
TheExodu5 said:
E6600, i5 750, i5 920....yeah shit these were all awful, awful products for people who bought them at launch.

*snicker*

Mind stating specifics instead of just blanket statements? Yeah early products have a higher chance of having problems. Regardless, Intel's track record is nearly impeccable.

Why wait a year, and pay essentially the same price just on the off chance that there are minor issues with new motherboards? Come on.

to be fair, the early X58 bios was not very stable and faced many problems with ddr3 compatibility, overclocking was also limited to around 3.6ghz.

however, ddr3 prices skyrocketed a few months after x58/920 launch which effectively meant, there was no paying of early adopter tax, more like getting a tax rebate! even better, for so long until the hexa 980x came out, your 920 at 3.6-3.8ghz is among the best performing cpu out there. :lol
 
Also the early 1156 sockets had that weird pin contact problem. Not that it would stop me buying an early gen mbd, I think that's getting a bit too paranoid.
 
·feist· said:
That 4-pin connector is molex and it's attached to the standard 3-pin fan connectors of your case fans. If you want to control their speed, you'll need something like a dedicated fan controller, or a in-line adapter to slowdown their speed.

Yeah I opened up again to fix some wiring, and i wondered if i could take apart that connector. So I did, and boom 3 pin connectors to the motherboard, hopefully that will cool down my pc a little.
 
So we are looking at VID's or 1.05V about and using 1.3-1.4V to get those OC's.
I'm guessing 4.2-4.4Ghz is what you can expect to do daily?
TheExodu5 said:
I thought the hex/octo were on the performance socket?
Brain fart. You're right.
I just think that it makes sense later on to offer a 6 core down the line on 1155, but who knows.
caliblue15 said:
What are the best 120mm fans out there for the price. Think I may add two more to my case to keep it cool.
Depends what you are looking for.
CFM doesn't matter that much if you have good flow, so I'd get some nice 30-40CFM silent fans. Notuca, Yate Loon, Scythe.
Fredescu said:
Also the early 1156 sockets had that weird pin contact problem. Not that it would stop me buying an early gen mbd, I think that's getting a bit too paranoid.
That Foxconn socket issue? (They do many parts for motherboards, not just their own)
 
Just rebuilt my rig using the Phenom II 1090T Processor, 60GB SSD using SATA 3.0/1.5TB HDD and 8GB DDR3 1600MHz RAM.
I'm currently using a GTX 285 and that's my bottle neck, but I have a GTX 580 on the way tomorrow! I would imagine I can max out any game on the market, I hope...
 
So anyone got a guide on how to overclock an AMD 2 x4 955?

I know about FSB and multiplier but never tried with voltages or anything.

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AMD Phenom II X4 955
Windows 7 Ultimate Edition (Build 7600)
CPU Arch : 1 CPU - 4 Cores - 4 Threads
CPU PSN : AMD Phenom II X4 955 Processor
CPU EXT : MMX(+), 3DNow!(+), SSE (1, 2, 3, 4A), x86-64, AMD-V
CPUID : F.4.3 / Extended : 10.4
CPU Cache : L1 : 4 x 64 / 4 x 64 KB - L2 : 4 x 512 KB
CPU Cache : L3 : 6144 KB
Core : Deneb (45 nm) / Stepping : RB-C3
Freq : 3816.97 MHz (200.89 * 19)
MB Brand : Gigabyte
MB Model : GA-770TA-UD3
NB : AMD 770 rev 00
SB : AMD SB700 rev 00
GPU Type : NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460
GPU Clocks : Core 715 MHz / RAM 1800 MHz
DirectX Version : 11.0
RAM : 8192 MB DDR3 Dual Channel
RAM Speed : 669.6 MHz (3:10) @ 9-9-9-24
Slot 1 : 2048MB (10700)
Slot 1 Manufacturer : G.Skill
Slot 2 : 2048MB (10700)
Slot 2 Manufacturer : G.Skill
Slot 3 : 2048MB (10700)
Slot 3 Manufacturer : G.Skill
Slot 4 : 2048MB (10700)
Slot 4 Manufacturer : G.Skill
 
Hazaro said:
Looks like a nice clock at that voltage to me!

Just lock the CPU voltage in the BIOS if it is not already.


Mind you, this is just with the multiplier up from x17 to x19, I did nothing else at all as I have nop idea of what to touch, or even if I need, at the voltage level. I don't even know if the thing upped the voltage by itself!

So I guess I don't need to overclock it then :lol
 
3.8ghz is where most phenom 2 tops out comfortably without a major voltage increase. next you should try to increase the nb L3 speed to around 2.6-2.8ghz. then do some stability tests with intel burn test for 20 runs of full memory, after which if passed, just carry on using your pc normally at overclocked speeds.

imho, i would also neither lock the voltage at 1.3125 or use auto settings but i would use dynamic adjusted voltages of cool'n quiet. im not sure what its called for gigabyte. this is cool because your overclocked pc will act as if the stock speed is 3.8ghz instead of 3.2ghz! it auto adjusts the multiplier and voltages based on usage as designed by amd. :lol
 
longdi said:
3.8ghz is where most phenom 2 tops out comfortably without a major voltage increase.

imho, i would also neither lock the voltage at 1.3125 or use auto settings but i would use dynamic adjusted voltages of cool'n quiet. im not sure what its called for gigabyte.
Yeah, 3.8 is probably what you will round about at, so that that voltage it's pretty nice.

Not sure on the AMD power saving settings, but sounds like C1E and speedstepping to me. If you can get it to work stable that's great.
 
longdi said:
3.8ghz is where most phenom 2 tops out comfortably without a major voltage increase. next you should try to increase the nb L3 speed to around 2.6-2.8ghz. then do some stability tests with intel burn test for 20 runs of full memory, after which if passed, just carry on using your pc normally at overclocked speeds.

imho, i would also neither lock the voltage at 1.3125 or use auto settings but i would use dynamic adjusted voltages of cool'n quiet. im not sure what its called for gigabyte. this is cool because your overclocked pc will act as if the stock speed is 3.8ghz instead of 3.2ghz! it auto adjusts the multiplier and voltages based on usage as designed by amd. :lol


The NB L3 speed is the RAM speed right? Will it matter for OC if I put the memories on ganged or unganged mode? All the info I have got regarding those settings say basically nothing apart from a small explanation but nothing meaningful.

I think that my voltages are already on auto on cool 'n quiet/C1E, as I said, I didn't touch the voltage things out of fear of broking anything so I just turned out the multiplier up to x19 after some stability checks.

This was before getting the new heatsink that really cools down the CPU so I was interested into getting maybe a bit more out of it.

What about the FSB? It's at 200 right now. Is it recommended to crack it a bit? with 7Mhz more I get up to 4Ghz and it's really stable, but I want to see how much I can OC this bitch as I heard that this CPU can go quite far without problems.
 
Well PCGAF my bros computer came in, and so I had a go at assembling it all. You know what? I did it. My first ever computer build. It worked first go. Is it normal to feel this

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psyched??? HEART OF AN IT GUY
 
Don't know if anyone asked already (I'm sure someone had), but would a upgrade from my current 260 gtx GS to a 460 gtx GLH or one of the 470s be worth my money? Espacially if I could sell the old card for something around 100€(should be possible)?

On a related topic, should I Upgrade my 4 GB Ram?
 
Rezbit said:
Well PCGAF my bros computer came in, and so I had a go at assembling it all. You know what? I did it. My first ever computer build. It worked first go. Is it normal to feel this

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psyched??? HEART OF AN IT GUY
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AshMcCool said:
Don't know if anyone asked already (I'm sure someone had), but would a upgrade from my current 260 gtx GS to a 460 gtx GLH or one of the 470s be worth my money? Espacially if I could sell the old card for something around 100€(should be possible)?
Like I said before, upgrade if you aren't happy with your current GPU.
And yes it's a decent upgrade, but honestly I'd shoot for something a tad higher.
6950 / 570 or wait for the rumored GTX 560.

I'm in the same boat with a GTX 260 and I plan on waiting to see what happens in the $250 price point.
 
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