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Anyone having problems with low res cutscenes in games? I fired up DragonAge. In game looks clean, but the cutscene looks ps1 quality. This can't be normal.
 
Oni Jazar said:
After 6 years of laptop only gaming, I finally have the room to go back to true desktop PC power.

I've built PCs before but I think I should rather avoid the hassle of putting everything together only to find out a part isn't working, then having to go through the trouble of finding out what it is.

So I went to CyberPower.com and spec'd this machine:

Quote:
# Case: Apevia X-Dreamer 3 Mid-Tower Gaming Case w/ Side-Panel Window & Temperature Display
# Extra Case Fan Upgrade: Default case fans
# Noise Reduction Technology: None
# Power Supply Upgrade: 600 Watts Power Supplies [+26] (XtremeGear SLI/CrossFireX Ready Power Supply)
# CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-860 2.80 GHz 8M L2 Cache LGA1156
# Cooling Fan: Asetek LCLC 120 Liquid Cooling System 120MM Radiator & Fan (Extreme Cooling Performance + Extreme Silent at 20dBA)
# Motherboard: [CrossFireX] GigaByte GA-P55A-UD3 Intel P55 Chipset DDR3 ATX Mainboard w/ 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, USB3.0, 2 x SATA-III RAID, 2 Gen2 PCIe, 2 PCIe X1, & 3 PCI
# Memory: 4GB (2GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory Module [+49] (Corsair or Major Brand)
# Video Card: ATI Radeon HD 5850 PCI-E 16X 1GB Video Card [DirectX 11 Support] (Major Brand Powered by ATI)
# Hard Drive: Single Hard Drive (128 GB Kingston 2.5 inch SATA Gaming MLC Solid State Disk (Nearly Instant Data Access Technology))
# Data Hard Drive: Single Hard Drive (1.5TB (1TBx1) SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 32MB Cache 7200RPM HDD)
# Optical Drive: LG CH08-LS10K 8X Blu-Ray Player & DVDRW Combo Drive


The total comes out to $1555 which is higher then the GAF 'bang for the buck' build but then this build 1) has some bigger & faster parts like the 120Gb solid state drive with 1.5TB additional HDD , blu-ray player, & i7 CPU, 2) includes Windows 7, keyboard/mouse, 3) I really like not having to mess with thermal paste, heat sinks and 4) hopefully they test it so that it runs great on day one.

Is this a good idea? Am I wasting some money on upgrades like i7 or should I avoid cyberpower entirely?

One more question. Should I go with a 500W 500XSPX APEVIA JAVA Power Supply instead of the generic 600W? Is 500W good enough for that system? It's a $4 difference. I don't think I will ever SLI the GPU. The next option up is a Sigma Shark SP-635W PSU for $43 more.

edit: I may go with the 635W since it has a $30 mir
 
Hello, PC guys.

I've never really been a PC gamer. But, with Steam, I'm willing to change that.

My Dell came with an ATI Radeon HD 4350 and it's on Windows 7 64-bit, but I couldn't even get Mass Effect running as good as I thought I could. It has a Core 2 Duo 3.16 GHz processor and 3GB of RAM.

I don't know if its possible with my processor, but I want to be able to run games like BioShock 2, Dragon Age and Mass Effect 2 perfectly on it, like I would (or better than I would) on the PS3 or the 360.

Which graphics card do you guys recommend? Should I upgrade my RAM? Should I throw away my processor?

Thanks in advance :)
 
@Brazil: The graphics card is your limiting factor there. Thing with Dells is that you have to be careful about the power supply currently in there and replacement PSU compatibility. You could open it up and see if there's a big sticker with a bunch of current/voltage info on the power supply. Or it should be possible to grep the info in a Google search.

In any case, your box should be able to support a 5770. Maybe you could run a 5850 but I really have no clue how good the power supplies Dell uses are.
 
Brazil said:
Hello, PC guys.

I've never really been a PC gamer. But, with Steam, I'm willing to change that.

My Dell came with an ATI Radeon HD 4350 and it's on Windows 7 64-bit, but I couldn't even get Mass Effect running as good as I thought I could. It has a Core 2 Duo 3.16 GHz processor and 3GB of RAM.

I don't know if its possible with my processor, but I want to be able to run games like BioShock 2, Dragon Age and Mass Effect 2 perfectly on it, like I would (or better than I would) on the PS3 or the 360.

Which graphics card do you guys recommend? Should I upgrade my RAM? Should I throw away my processor?

Thanks in advance :)

the worst component there is definetly the graphics card

2x2 gb ram would probably make your whole computer experience a bit more plesant , but top priority is the grapics card for sure.

and as Doytch says , before you go out buying a monstercard , see if you need to upgrade the power supply.
 
Doytch said:
@Brazil: The graphics card is your limiting factor there. Thing with Dells is that you have to be careful about the power supply currently in there and replacement PSU compatibility. You could open it up and see if there's a big sticker with a bunch of current/voltage info on the power supply. Or it should be possible to grep the info in a Google search.

In any case, your box should be able to support a 5770. Maybe you could run a 5850 but I really have no clue how good the power supplies Dell uses are.
Which numbers should I be looking for? There is a sticker here, but I have no clue. :lol
 
Brazil said:
Hello, PC guys.

I've never really been a PC gamer. But, with Steam, I'm willing to change that.

My Dell came with an ATI Radeon HD 4350 and it's on Windows 7 64-bit, but I couldn't even get Mass Effect running as good as I thought I could. It has a Core 2 Duo 3.16 GHz processor and 3GB of RAM.

I don't know if its possible with my processor, but I want to be able to run games like BioShock 2, Dragon Age and Mass Effect 2 perfectly on it, like I would (or better than I would) on the PS3 or the 360.

Which graphics card do you guys recommend? Should I upgrade my RAM? Should I throw away my processor?

Thanks in advance :)
Don't just buy any power supply. Check to see if your motherboard is ATX or BTX.
 
Once I get my machine all set up and verify it's working, should I run it stock for a while or go ahead and see how much I can overclock it from the start?
 
scitek said:
Once I get my machine all set up and verify it's working, should I run it stock for a while or go ahead and see how much I can overclock it from the start?

no there is no real burn in period on computers , you can go ahead and mess around as soon as you'd like. just make sure its all running properly and cool at all times.
 
So what is the most basic first step for OC'ing my i7 860? I really have no clue what is going on when it comes to this stuff.

I tried out that CPU-Z program last night and I swore it said my clock speed was around 3400. Does that mean Turbo Boost alone is bumping it up that high? Or am I just a moron and that was a completely unassociated number?

I also haven't bumped my ram up to 1600 yet. Is that something I should look in to? I think they're at 1333 now.
 
It's like a whole new world opened up for me when I discovered Steam. Thus I decided to buy a myself a gaming PC.

Currently I'm looking at these specs:

Case: Coolermaster HAF 922
Mobo: Asus Rampage II GENE
CPU: Core i7-920
CPU Cooler: Coolermaster V8
Memory: 8gb ddr3 1333
GFX: XFX 2GB HD5970 Black Edition
PSU: XFX 850W Black Edition ATX
HDD 1: Corsair P64 Performance Series 64GB SSD
HDD 2: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB

Any suggestions? I'm planning to hook it up to my tv and I want to play everything at max settings.

Also, Steam is bad for your wallet :-(
 
Well, my last few components should be arriving tomorrow morning. Very excited :D

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Baker said:
So what is the most basic first step for OC'ing my i7 860? I really have no clue what is going on when it comes to this stuff.

I tried out that CPU-Z program last night and I swore it said my clock speed was around 3400. Does that mean Turbo Boost alone is bumping it up that high? Or am I just a moron and that was a completely unassociated number?

I also haven't bumped my ram up to 1600 yet. Is that something I should look in to? I think they're at 1333 now.



you really need to read about overclocking , dont do anything if you are unsure.
3.46 GHz is the top frequency that the 860 reaches with turbo boost so thats most likely what you saw in cpu-z , alot it shouldn't clock up like that unless you are stressing the system.




xerxesiani said:
It's like a whole new world opened up for me when I discovered Steam. Thus I decided to buy a myself a gaming PC.

Currently I'm looking at these specs:

Case: Coolermaster HAF 922
Mobo: Asus Rampage II GENE
CPU: Core i7-920
CPU Cooler: Coolermaster V8
Memory: 8gb ddr3 1333
GFX: XFX 2GB HD5970 Black Edition
PSU: XFX 850W Black Edition ATX
HDD 1: Corsair P64 Performance Series 64GB SSD
HDD 2: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB

Any suggestions? I'm planning to hook it up to my tv and I want to play everything at max settings.

Also, Steam is bad for your wallet :-(

the 1366 platform has 3 memory channels , which means you want to run the memory in pairs of 3 , the most standard thing to do is to go 3x2 gb , this making the memory run in tripplechannel , giving you extra bandwidth , if you run 8 gb , im guessing it will be a dual channel solution
im not sure how much impact the tripplechannel has over dualchannel in real world performance , but why pass it up when you are building a system like that.
 
Devildoll said:
the 1366 platform has 3 memory channels , which means you want to run the memory in pairs of 3 , the most standard thing to do is to go 3x2 gb , this making the memory run in tripplechannel , giving you extra bandwidth , if you run 8 gb , im guessing it will be a dual channel solution
im not sure how much impact the tripplechannel has over dualchannel in real world performance , but why pass it up when you are building a system like that.

Thanks for the tip, I didn't know that. I'll look into what the performance gains are for games.
 
Hmm, now when I try to overclock my Sapphire 5850, I get lockups when passing 775 core in accelerated video. When I disable DXVA in say WMP-HC it seems to work. I'll report back.. I'm using Shark007 32/64bit codec pack.. perhaps that's not a good idea. Although, it manages to crash the Windows Experience Index at 'Tuning Windows Media Encoding' also. :P

It works fine in games overclocked.. just not video. I'm using the 9.12 Hotfix drivers. Wonder if they're the cause.
 
dekjo said:
It'd be nice to have some OC resources added to OP.
check out the sites under news in the op , they should have some articles on overclocking aswell.

otherwise ill try to get some guides for various platforms .
 
Hey Gaf I'm looking to get a 3d monitor.

Should I get the Samsung 22 inch? OR should I get the viewsonic 22 inch?

The viewsonic is a lot cheaper and I've only got like 260 set aside right now for the monitor but I can always just take some more out of my account so it's not that big of a deal.

But are there any monitors soon on their way that are supposed to be better/cheaper?
 
Oni Jazar said:
Hmm.. well they offer an 80 GB Intel X25-M 2.5 inch SATA Gaming MLC Solid State Disk for $10 more but then I lose nearly 50Gb. I thought Kingston would be a good name brand.


Don't buy a kingston SSD, they use the Jmicron controller which is basically the worst out there at the moment. If you are serious about SSD's get an intel drive or the OCZ vertex or agility series. If you look beyond these suggestions the important thing to keep in mind is a indilinx controller.

Edit: Also I hope you really understand what you're getting yourself into with a water cooling setup. If this is your first time using something like this I hope you are prepared.
 
More sponging incoming, so I just got myself a nice 1080p 22" screen and my graphics card no longer plays the games I want it to very well. In case people are wondering I had the 9400gt, which as far as I'm aware is pretty damn terrible for games.
The game I play the most is Team Fortress 2 and I'd like to max it out with at least 4xAA... I mean even the 9400 could do that at my old resolution so anything decent should be able to do it as well right?

I was thinking maybe the HD 4770, 9600gt or 9800gt; I have a budget or roughly £100. I'm pretty new on the PC gaming scene, I definitely wouldn't mind if the card let me play other games mind, for example Street Fighter 4 or Dragon Age. Cpu is Dual 2.6, haven't looked into OC'ing or anything.

Opinions on such matters please.
 
so which OS's should I get? I know xp will suffice for a lot but i think some require 7, but some also don't work with 7? or should i go for vista (i'm thinking not)?
 
panda21 said:
so which OS's should I get? I know xp will suffice for a lot but i think some require 7, but some also don't work with 7? or should i go for vista (i'm thinking not)?
being this is the "I need a new PC thread", I think most will whole heartedly say you should be getting no new OS except for Windows 7. and if you have a 64-bit CPU, install the 64-bit version.
 
panda21 said:
so which OS's should I get? I know xp will suffice for a lot but i think some require 7, but some also don't work with 7? or should i go for vista (i'm thinking not)?

win7 64 if you can
 
brain_stew said:
You can use the $600 US build as a base, maybe switch the 5770 for a 5850 if it comes in budget. Its hard to recommend specific parts without knowing the prices charged at your local etailer.
Thank you.
 
SuperEnemyCrab said:
Edit: Also I hope you really understand what you're getting yourself into with a water cooling setup. If this is your first time using something like this I hope you are prepared.

Uh. I'm not prepared. What do I need to do to get prepared?
 
borghe said:
being this is the "I need a new PC thread", I think most will whole heartedly say you should be getting no new OS except for Windows 7. and if you have a 64-bit CPU, install the 64-bit version.

eternal prize said:
win7 64 if you can

coolio, thanks. sooo close... :D
 
pestul said:
Hmm, now when I try to overclock my Sapphire 5850, I get lockups when passing 775 core in accelerated video. When I disable DXVA in say WMP-HC it seems to work. I'll report back.. I'm using Shark007 32/64bit codec pack.. perhaps that's not a good idea. Although, it manages to crash the Windows Experience Index at 'Tuning Windows Media Encoding' also. :P

It works fine in games overclocked.. just not video. I'm using the 9.12 Hotfix drivers. Wonder if they're the cause.
10.1 just came out if you want to give it a try.
 
Minsc said:
Can't wait to see some feedback and how the 3D support panned out if it made the cut.
It's a minor update. From what I've seen in the roadmap for 10.2 and 10.3, those should be pretty hefty releases.
 
vocab said:
Anyone having problems with low res cutscenes in games? I fired up DragonAge. In game looks clean, but the cutscene looks ps1 quality. This can't be normal.

Hah, get used to it. You'd think it would kill devs to hire someone who knows how to encode a video properly. Hell, youtube does a much better job encoding all of my videos.
 
Not sure if this is the correct thread to ask, but I'm looking for a new monitor for work to replace my 2 monitor (22 inch & 19 inch) setup. I have a 24 inch at home, but I'd prefer something a little bigger. My budget is a bit constrained since I just blew $850 on a computer chair so I'm capped out at $400.

Been searching a bunch of places and the best I've come up with so far is this:
http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/898815/Samsung-T260HD-26-Widescreen-LCD-HDTV/?cm_cat=2000000007

For the most part it's been getting pretty favorable reviews with the main knocks against it being some issues with viewing angles. Anyone have any recommendations, or does this seem like a good deal? I'll be using it exclusively for work, where 50% of my time is spent reading .tiff files and the other half bouncing between a few work-related sites (and GAF, of course).

Didn't wanna start a thread over this :P

Oh, guess this is the right place to ask this question. I stay pretty current with computer hardware, but for my work pc I'm looking to upgrade my video card. Performance isn't really an issue, but my 7600GT i put in here a few years ago has seen better days. I'm working with a Dell OptiPlex 330 (i know, i know... i didn't buy it! Honest!) and wondering what some decent upgrade options are. 8600GT, 9600GT? Probably don't wanna drop more than $80 on a work PC upgrade, though I'm a little flexible here.

Thanks :D
 
I also noticed cutscenes being low res looking. I have no idea why, other than to save space on the disc for console versions, and them not redoing the cutscene for PC.
 
vocab said:
Anyone having problems with low res cutscenes in games? I fired up DragonAge. In game looks clean, but the cutscene looks ps1 quality. This can't be normal.
As stupid as it looks, that's just how it is. They compress the shit out of videos to get everything to fit on the disc.
 
So it is indeed the games problem, and nothing wrong with my hardware configuration? I guess I have to live with it. Kinda disappointing though.

Also, latest ATI drivers are out if anyone needs them. Performance in crease in crysis and L4D2, and some other fixes.
 
SuperEnemyCrab said:
Water cooling is comparable to having a really good looking but emotionally unstable high-maintenance girlfriend.

From the reviews that I've read the LCLC is a kind of dumbed down cooling system that doesn't have a lot of the hassles other water cooling systems have.
 
Hey PC-GAF :D

Looking to spend a moderate amount of money for a new motherboard and processor upgrading my Win7 system. I want to spend around £350-400 :)

I currently have a Geforce 9600GT, 4 gigs of DDR3 (2 sticks) a few SATA and IDE hdds that I'd like to transplant until I can afford to update them at a later date, so compatibility is essential.


In the UK so any Europe centric deals would be appreciated!
 
SuperEnemyCrab said:
It's easily worth the extra $20 to go with a Athlon 620 quad core.

I thought about that, but I'm trying my damndest to keep this thing under $500 and most of the CPU intensive stuff I'm doing (Dolphin, GTA4) either doesn't take advantage of more than 2 cores or is more dependent on Clockspeeds as the 435 is a better OC according to research. Plus, I have a chance at unlocking that 4th core anyways, hopefully.
 
Zzoram said:
I also noticed cutscenes being low res looking. I have no idea why, other than to save space on the disc for console versions, and them not redoing the cutscene for PC.

They're heavily compressed, but not low-res. They're definitely 720p - 1080p video, not 480p or lower. I took a few screenshots, they have much more pixel definition than a 720x480 video would allow for, but they are heavily macro-blocked from over-compression.

 
mikespit1200 said:
I thought about that, but I'm trying my damndest to keep this thing under $500 and most of the CPU intensive stuff I'm doing (Dolphin, GTA4) either doesn't take advantage of more than 2 cores or is more dependent on Clockspeeds as the 435 is a better OC according to research. Plus, I have a chance at unlocking that 4th core anyways, hopefully.

You might be able to make it under your limit by checking out some combo's. You should be able to reach 3.4ghz plus easily with that cooler on a 620 and no gamble with a possible unlock. Unless you just plan to get a better AM3 proc later this year or something, but if not the true quad core will serve you better in the long run.
 
Awesome, I went looking for 10.1 earlier today.. glad to see its released. Try these out when I get home. I've decided to just use an overclocking profile for my games anyway. If WMP12 crashes my system with an overclocked video card, I just won't use it overclocked. :P
 
brain_stew said:
Well they're all shit parts, and definitely don't come recommended. There's buying "bang for buck" components and sticking to a budget and then there's just buying trash, that build would fall into the latter category. At those sorts of prices, you're usually better off with an off the shelf machine.

Then, could you recommend me something under $300? This isn't going to be a PC that crazy video games are played on, but more a PC to store music and movies, plus extremely casual video game playing. I guess the appropriate term would be HTPC?

Also, still looking for a cheap HDCP-enabled monitor that will do 720p. Don't want to spend much on it.
 
On second thought.. reading Rage3d forums, it seems the 10.1s aren't even as hot as the 9.12 Hotfix, or beta drivers released last week.
 
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