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"I need a new PC!" 2010 Edition

Update on #1744, which I didn't spot any replies to, which is understandable. The post wasn't well-prepared and pretty vague. Anyway, today we intend to go out and do the proper buying on most or all the parts for her PC, ordering the ones at NewEgg we don't get at Microcenter probably. As I stated before, this was a gift to her from her husband, and the long wait has already made him uneasy. He's the type that wants to go out there and buy it at sticker price, and be done with it for years. That's why I was emphasizing lastability earlier on, even though I know Brainstew and others were trying to push me toward the better budget-oriented approach of spending less now, and saving the money for upgrades later. That's just not quite the nature of this situation.

Here's the theoretical rig as it currently stands. The big questions are if everything is intercompatible, and are there any really bad product lines included? Suggestions are welcome, but like I said, pretty much all the major parts need to be something that can be bought or ordered today. Ordering online is ok, however.

Processor: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz
Motherboard: ASUS M4A77TD
Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) x2
Sound Card: HT | OMEGA CLARO Plus+ (Alternatives, I've seen this topic and showed it to her, but she is an audiophile, if there's any question about getting better sound from her music with it, she was intent to go with it)
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit for System Builders
Video Card: HIS H587F1GDG Radeon HD 5870 (Alternatives, I thought about pushing her more towards the HIS H585F1GDG Radeon HD 5850, but the core and clock speeds are slower than even the HIS H577FM1GD Radeon HD 5770)
Blu-Ray Drive: Pioneer Black 12X BD-R 2X BD-RE (Although I keep waffling on whether or not she should get a burner, or go for a cheaper read-only drive.)
CD/DVD Drives: LITE-ON Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW (Alternatives)
Hard Drive: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM x2
Case: Thermaltake V9 Black Edition ATX (A bit extravagent, but this is a key asthetic decision for her, any big reasons why she should not buy this one?)
Power Supply: We figured that partially depends on case, even if they're mostly standardized (I know mine wasn't), what do you recommend for wattage with all of this going on?

We didn't have a lot of luck with the video capture device question, it's looking like Pinnacle Studio MovieBox Ultimate. She also found this WinTV-HVR-2250 Media Center Kit, but this seems to be more oriented specifically toward TV broadcasts, instead of taking general inputs from devices. The other alternatives were this AVerMedia AVerTV PCI-Express card and this $450 matrox MXO2MINI/NC+PCIE/ADP (Or the L version, the only difference I can see being one including a Matrox MXO2 PCIe x 1 host adapter, the other a Matrox MXO2 PCIe host ExpressCard/34 adapter, not sure which is more suited for a PC). I have a feeling the $450 isn't worth it for the limited amount of capture work she'll probably do.

So not including the fans and power supply and some other software, and a few special combo discounts of $10 and $20 here and there and some rebates ($40 on the Pinnacle for example), we're looking at approximately $1881.87 before tax. The video card's a big hurt, but she's anxious to have one that won't be useless a year or two down the road. Still, maybe we should consider one of the cheaper ones?


On a side note, as if this wasn't already enough to think about, she intended to spend the remainder of the gift money (give or take) on a netbook/laptop. We started leaning towards a $700-800 Sony (I think it was this VPCCW21FX/L, but the urge to go for the better processor pushed us toward this VPCCW27FX/L. (Link doesn't seem to agree with GAF.) We've tried it out a little bit in a few stores, she likes the asthetic and power, the fact that it has a Blu-Ray drive (not as common yet as you'd expect), and even the color. I suggested this Alienware series to her, but she hasn't had good experiences with Alienware's owners, Dell, and she doesn't like some of the negative reviews she's seen. Any big red flags with the Vaio book?

If we get too tight toward the budget, things like the Pinnacle can wait a bit, so it doesn't need to absolutely be at the $2500 mark. Any advice is greatly appreciated.
 
I wouldn't recommend the Phenom ii 965, save your cash and get the 955. They're both unlocked chips and will clock to the same speeds, you're just paying AMD to do a little OCing for your with the 965, really.
 
brain_stew said:
I wouldn't recommend the Phenom ii 965, save your cash and get the 955. They're both unlocked chips and will clock to the same speeds, you're just paying AMD to do a little OCing for your with the 965, really.

Just OC it in the BIOS, then? Or do I need a utility to do that?
 
Druz said:
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Saying theres no blurring on any panel is a complete lie unless its 120hz but i know what you mean. On that comparison between the TN and the e-IPS can you send me the source image to so I can what it actually looks like on my monitor? Best place to find monitor flaws: http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/viewing_angle.php

I've used that site once or twice, when I first got my monitor I ran through some of those patterns, it did pretty well, not perfect. The black/white dotted ones hold nicely, without appearing like static. It came from here (#28), it was posted along with:

"Can anyone close this "$1 vs $2? What is the difference?" thread? This has been chewed 100 times already :("

Apparently if you want to find the original source, you'd probably have to go back 20-30 discussions on the matter. But I read a bunch about the TN panel you have, and many people said that it has exceptional color for a TN monitor... maybe it would hold up better than average like you say. I did read it did have extremely minor ghosting issues in a few reviews though, which I thought strange.

Anyway, I think we've both made our points (no hard feelings, I'm glad you defended TNs are much as you did), and anyone buying a monitor should probably be happy knowing if they buy a good TN, the color will be better than it used to (but viewing angles are still poor), and if you spend more money and buy an IPS, the input lag will also be better than it used to be (but probably a hair more noticeable).

So it comes down to where you are the most picky. I'm much happier with even colors and the wide viewing angle, the older Westinghouse MVA panel I have has a input lag of around 30-40ms I believe, and it doesn't even bother me, hard to believe. Other people may not even be happy with half that, or 1/4 that.

Once they start making 120hz IPS monitors, I'll upgrade. The unofficial 75hz on the Dell IPS monitor sounds like a nice little tweak, but I just want a 24" non-TN 120hz display, then I will start looking at 3D gaming! :D
 
brain_stew said:
I can't recommend any. Nvidia simply don't sell competitive high end cars atm. Get a 5850 or wait to see if the GTX 470 is priced decently when its launched in a month, though I wouldn't recommend holding your breath on that one.

Are there any huge differences between a 5850 and 5870? I originally planned on buying this card, but a friend of mine who has experience building PC's has been trying to turn me into an Nvidia fanboy:lol .
 
i want to build a super quiet, super cool system, sex within a stylish slim box. i would also like to play mass effect 2, crysis, etc, though for the most part the pc will be used for work, movie watching and browsing.

i am leaning towards an i3-530, either the 9800GT (silent or low profile) or Radeon 5770, 8GB DDR3 ram.

will the components stay cool, and what whisper quiet smallish cases could i pair them with. what kind of PSU will i need?
 
nitewulf said:
i want to build a super quiet, super cool system, sex within a stylish slim box. i would also like to play mass effect 2, crysis, etc, though for the most part the pc will be used for work, movie watching and browsing.

i am leaning towards an i3-530, either the 9800GT (silent or low profile) or Radeon 5770, 8GB DDR3 ram.

will the components stay cool, and what whisper quiet smallish cases could i pair them with. what kind of PSU will i need?

No point in buying a 9800GT these days, the radeon 5770 is a much better card and is far cooler and quieter (especially when idle). As far as CPUs go, I wouldn't reccommend anything under a core i5 750 if you're going the intel route.

As far as PSUs go, I always use the corsair TX750 as they go on sale very often. They're quiet and awesome, but there are PSUs which are quieter.
 
Minsc said:
I've used that site once or twice, when I first got my monitor I ran through some of those patterns, it did pretty well, not perfect. The black/white dotted ones hold nicely, without appearing like static. It came from here (#28), it was posted along with:

"Can anyone close this "$1 vs $2? What is the difference?" thread? This has been chewed 100 times already :("

Apparently if you want to find the original source, you'd probably have to go back 20-30 discussions on the matter. But I read a bunch about the TN panel you have, and many people said that it has exceptional color for a TN monitor... maybe it would hold up better than average like you say. I did read it did have extremely minor ghosting issues in a few reviews though, which I thought strange.

Anyway, I think we've both made our points (no hard feelings, I'm glad you defended TNs are much as you did), and anyone buying a monitor should probably be happy knowing if they buy a good TN, the color will be better than it used to (but viewing angles are still poor), and if you spend more money and buy an IPS, the input lag will also be better than it used to be (but probably a hair more noticeable).

So it comes down to where you are the most picky. I'm much happier with even colors and the wide viewing angle, the older Westinghouse MVA panel I have has a input lag of around 30-40ms I believe, and it doesn't even bother me, hard to believe. Other people may not even be happy with half that, or 1/4 that.

Once they start making 120hz IPS monitors, I'll upgrade. The unofficial 75hz on the Dell IPS monitor sounds like a nice little tweak, but I just want a 24" non-TN 120hz display, then I will start looking at 3D gaming! :D
I think this post makes a good point about monitors in general. For example, I use CRTs exclusively because I love colour, hate response times, and couldn't give a shit about how much space they take up.

Also, doing these tests with my CRT is a hoot.
 
Fugu said:
I think this post makes a good point about monitors in general. For example, I use CRTs exclusively because I love colour, hate response times, and couldn't give a shit about how much space they take up.

Also, doing these tests with my CRT is a hoot.

I know, but some of us have respect for our eyes and ears. :(
 
TouchMyBox said:
No point in buying a 9800GT these days, the radeon 5770 is a much better card and is far cooler and quieter (especially when idle). As far as CPUs go, I wouldn't reccommend anything under a core i5 750 if you're going the intel route.

As far as PSUs go, I always use the corsair TX750 as they go on sale very often. They're quiet and awesome, but there are PSUs which are quieter.
but why an i5? gaming isnt my priority, efficiency and quietness is....and i thought most of the games are handled by the gpus these days? i'd really just be playing a bit of mass effect2, dragon age and the ocassional quirky game.
 
Big Baybee said:
Are there any huge differences between a 5850 and 5870? I originally planned on buying this card, but a friend of mine who has experience building PC's has been trying to turn me into an Nvidia fanboy:lol .

$340 for a 5850 is way too much, might as well spend the extra $60 and get an XFX 5870.
 
K.Jack said:
I need a fast, inexpensive external HDD, around 320GB. Thoughts?

I presume you're using USB 3.0 or eSATA? There's no such thing as a fast USB 2.0 HDD, you're always going to be limited by the slow USB bus.
 
I always dread having to upgrade my PC, but I think it's about time I tried to fix it up a little bit. I've had my rig built for a few years now, and it continues to serve me well, playing most everything I throw at it in high resolution (1920x1200) but not at max settings.

Current specs:

Mobo: Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L (Intel P35 Chipset, Socket LGA 775)
CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz
RAM: 4GB (Forget what speed)
PSU: CoolerMaster 600W
Video: nVidia 8800GTS 640MB

Now preferably, I don't want to do anything major if I don't have to. I'm really not in the mood to go all out by putting in a new motherboard/CPU. I would prefer to just get a new video card and/or CPU.

How dated is the Q6600 CPU? If it's holding me back, what's the best processor I could get in the socket 775 Line that would be a noticeable improvement from the Q6600?

What kind of video card would be a good upgrade from my aging 8800GTS 640MB? I've got a 600W power supply so I don't think I would need to upgrade it. But I'd like a card that's going to last me a long time again -- this 8800 GTS has served me well for many years now.
 
CastleBravo said:
I always dread having to upgrade my PC, but I think it's about time I tried to fix it up a little bit. I've had my rig built for a few years now, and it continues to serve me well, playing most everything I throw at it in high resolution (1920x1200) but not at max settings.

Current specs:

Mobo: Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L (Intel P35 Chipset, Socket LGA 775)
CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz
RAM: 4GB (Forget what speed)
PSU: CoolerMaster 600W
Video: nVidia 8800GTS 640MB

Now preferably, I don't want to do anything major if I don't have to. I'm really not in the mood to go all out by putting in a new motherboard/CPU. I would prefer to just get a new video card and/or CPU.

How dated is the Q6600 CPU? If it's holding me back, what's the best processor I could get in the socket 775 Line that would be a noticeable improvement from the Q6600?

What kind of video card would be a good upgrade from my aging 8800GTS 640MB? I've got a 600W power supply so I don't think I would need to upgrade it. But I'd like a card that's going to last me a long time again -- this 8800 GTS has served me well for many years now.
I would only replace the videocard; everything else is fine. The Q6600 isn't exactly modern but it's more than competent. If you're willing to spend that much, a 5870 will produce great results (although so will a 5850 for less); otherwise the 5770 or even the 4970 are great choices. You might also want to consider a good CPU cooler if your processor has G0 stepping, because the overclocking potential is huge.
 
brain_stew said:
I presume you're using USB 3.0 or eSATA? There's no such thing as a fast USB 2.0 HDD, you're always going to be limited by the slow USB bus.
My notebook has an eSATA line, yes. I'd like to finally use it, as the ~30GB of Steam games I'm transferring right now though USB is killing me.

Tbh I no little about it.
 
CastleBravo said:
I always dread having to upgrade my PC, but I think it's about time I tried to fix it up a little bit. I've had my rig built for a few years now, and it continues to serve me well, playing most everything I throw at it in high resolution (1920x1200) but not at max settings.

Current specs:

Mobo: Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L (Intel P35 Chipset, Socket LGA 775)
CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz
RAM: 4GB (Forget what speed)
PSU: CoolerMaster 600W
Video: nVidia 8800GTS 640MB

Now preferably, I don't want to do anything major if I don't have to. I'm really not in the mood to go all out by putting in a new motherboard/CPU. I would prefer to just get a new video card and/or CPU.

How dated is the Q6600 CPU? If it's holding me back, what's the best processor I could get in the socket 775 Line that would be a noticeable improvement from the Q6600?

What kind of video card would be a good upgrade from my aging 8800GTS 640MB? I've got a 600W power supply so I don't think I would need to upgrade it. But I'd like a card that's going to last me a long time again -- this 8800 GTS has served me well for many years now.


I just upgraded to a Q6600, so no its not outdated. Just get a Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus and OC it to 3ghz+, it'll manage it no bother on your motherboard and it'll give it a new lease of life. No current CPU upgrade can give you a significant, tangible upgrade over a Q6600 as far as games are concerned.

Get a 5850 or 5870 depending on budget, should be a heck of an upgrade.
 
K.Jack said:
My notebook has an eSATA line, yes. I'd like to finally use it, as the ~30GB of Steam games I'm transferring right now though USB is killing me.

Tbh I no little about it.

I'd probably recommend buying a caddy and then throwing in a fast, high performance desktop drive (something like a WD CAVIAR BLACK or Samsung F3). You're never sure of the drive used in an off the shelf external drive.
 
Thanks for the info, guys.

So from your suggestions and from random Google searches, it does appear that Q6600 is still a decent processor, so I think I'm just going to stick with what I've got. Although I might look at picking up a new heatsink/fan so that I can try overclocking the Q6600 from the stock 2.4GHz.

I've always stuck with nVidia, but I keep seeing recommendations (both here and elsewhere) for ATI cards, specifically those HD 5870/5850s. Has ATI improved? It seems like I always hear complaints about games/drivers not working properly with ATI cards. Has nVidia not released a DX11 card yet?
 
CastleBravo said:
Thanks for the info, guys.

So from your suggestions and from random Google searches, it does appear that Q6600 is still a decent processor, so I think I'm just going to stick with what I've got. Although I might look at picking up a new heatsink/fan so that I can try overclocking the Q6600 from the stock 2.4GHz.

I've always stuck with nVidia, but I keep seeing recommendations (both here and elsewhere) for ATI cards, specifically those HD 5870/5850s. Has ATI improved? It seems like I always hear complaints about games/drivers not working properly with ATI cards. Has nVidia not released a DX11 card yet?
As of right now, NVidia has not released their competing line to the 5xxx series. On top of this, ATI gained a lot of credit last generation for their extremely cost-effective 4870 (and subsequently the 4850, 4770, 4890, and 4870x2); the 5870 has attained a similar reputation for being an extremely powerful and affordable single card solution (although some would argue that the 5850 or even the 5770 is the star of this generation). ATI still has driver problems though, and many games require modification to "unlock" proper AA settings for ATI cards.
 
Ok I hope Minsc or another one of you monitor guru's can help me out here. After all this monitor talk I've been looking around for a good IPS panel. This is the best I've found as far as price/performance/features:

NEC Display Solutions EA231WMI-BK 23" 14ms 270 cd/m2 DC 3000:1 (1000:1)

14ms seems a bit high, but then on their website they have this listed as a feature:
RAPID RESPONSE
Provides for uninterrupted display of full motion video with response times as quick as 4ms. It delivers streaming video without noticeable ghosting or blurring, while achieving as many as 250 frames per second (fps). This remarkably quick motion makes displays better than ever for gaming and video applications such as presentations and streaming web video.
It's primary use will be just everyday general computing with light gaming, but it would be nice to know I won't have to worry about ghosting. It will be mounted on an Ergotron desk arm so viewing angles are a factor as well. One of the main reasons actually why I'm wanting to switch from the TN panel monitor I have now. I appreciate any feedback.


Moving on to my next question....

Anyone have experience with the Wolf King Warrior gaming keypads? I'm thinking of getting one when they restock. Specifically, is it Comfy Couch (TM) compatible? :D thanks guys!
 
CastleBravo said:
Thanks for the info, guys.

So from your suggestions and from random Google searches, it does appear that Q6600 is still a decent processor, so I think I'm just going to stick with what I've got. Although I might look at picking up a new heatsink/fan so that I can try overclocking the Q6600 from the stock 2.4GHz.

I've always stuck with nVidia, but I keep seeing recommendations (both here and elsewhere) for ATI cards, specifically those HD 5870/5850s. Has ATI improved? It seems like I always hear complaints about games/drivers not working properly with ATI cards. Has nVidia not released a DX11 card yet?

Nvidia don't currently sell any competitive high end cards, so ATI are basically your only option atm.

Definitely OC that Q6600, its one of the most legendary OCers of all time and you'll see a significant and tangible benefit from it. The vast majority will manage 3ghz but its not uncommon to see them hit 3.6ghz. I run mine at 3.4ghz fwiw.
 
brain_stew said:
Nvidia don't currently sell any competitive high end cards, so ATI are basically your only option atm.

Definitely OC that Q6600, its one of the most legendary OCers of all time and you'll see a significant and tangible benefit from it. The vast majority will manage 3ghz but its not uncommon to see them hit 3.6ghz. I run mine at 3.4ghz fwiw.

I'll look into it. I had no idea the Q6600 had such a high potential for an overclock. Is it absolutely necessary to get a new heatsink/fan combo to OC it, or can I try to do it with the stock heatsink/fan that came with the Q6600 retail box?
 
CastleBravo said:
I'll look into it. I had no idea the Q6600 had such a high potential for an overclock. Is it absolutely necessary to get a new heatsink/fan combo to OC it, or can I try to do it with the stock heatsink/fan that came with the Q6600 retail box?

You could try a stock volts OC upto 2.6-28ghz for now but honestly, I'd seriously recommend against it, the upgrade is worth it for the reduction in noise if nothing else. The Q6600 can pump out some major heat so you're going to want to efficiently get rid of that if you're looking into OCing.

The Q6600 is one of the "holy grails" for OCers, these things are capable of a full 50% OC with very average memory, and yes, that means a basically linear increase in performance, its as good an upgrade as buying a new $200 socket 775 CPU effectively. I'd recommend this cooler:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065&Tpk=212 coolermaster

Its a safe investment as its also compatible with Intel and AMD's new sockets so it should last you a while. Having said that, I'm using a ~$20 cooler to cool my 3.4ghz Q6600 though I do live in north east England which is bloody cold at times. Something like this might be a decent cheap option:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835207004&Tpk=sunbeam 120mm

or for even less:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835200024
 
I just installed a Q8200 in my friends new build. First time playing with an intel proc since original Pentium days. Gotta say the installation process is completely moronic and the thang get's freakin hot. We just used a stock cooler with arctic 5, but it hangs out in the high 50s, low 60s during light gaming. I was pretty impressed that we got it from 2.33 to almost 3Ghz with the stock HSF and temps didn't get much higher. It's the spec that bugs me out. My 955 at 3.8Ghz never touches 50c with a stock HSF.



I also just got back into the Nvidia GPU realm. I'm a little confused tbh. Can someone link me to a good faq or video of exactly how to use the nhancer and the profiles, new ambient occlusion force, etc. I was always an nvidia guy until I got a 4780. I've seen the error in my ways and I'll never go back. Once we got an idea of what the 4xx cards would cost I figured it was time to go ahead and get my 275. Only went $60 out of pocket thanks to a freak sale and selling my 4770 and previous PSU to my buddy.
 
brain_stew said:
I wouldn't recommend the Phenom ii 965, save your cash and get the 955. They're both unlocked chips and will clock to the same speeds, you're just paying AMD to do a little OCing for your with the 965, really.


No.

I have a 955, and it's OC'd to 3.6 stable. That's from 3.2 stock and an entire Sunday spent stress testing, voltage adjusting and computer restarts. When I bought the 955 BE, I was thinking "free 1Ghz OC" they way people talked about the 955 in reviews and YouTube. Fail, and that's even with an aftermarket cooler (Cooler Master 212 Plus). It's not exactly the same chip, so with a 965, you can get higher clock speeds. If you have the extra $10 or whatever it is, do it.
 
BravoSuperStar said:
Ok I hope Minsc or another one of you monitor guru's can help me out here. After all this monitor talk I've been looking around for a good IPS panel. This is the best I've found as far as price/performance/features:

NEC Display Solutions EA231WMI-BK 23" 14ms 270 cd/m2 DC 3000:1 (1000:1)

14ms seems a bit high, but then on their website they have this listed as a feature:

It's primary use will be just everyday general computing with light gaming, but it would be nice to know I won't have to worry about ghosting. It will be mounted on an Ergotron desk arm so viewing angles are a factor as well. One of the main reasons actually why I'm wanting to switch from the TN panel monitor I have now. I appreciate any feedback.

That 14ms is not grey to grey, like Dell and other companies report, it is black to white to black, so it's actually much more in line to the lower numbers than it sounds.

One thing you can usually count on is some good information on hardforums, here is the thread for that monitor, it probably won't be a bad idea to read through the last 20-30 pages of that thread yourself. I read a few reviews too, here is one, and bit-tech said:

Our input lag test revealed no issues either, with the NEC keeping up to the millisecond with our virtually input lag-free Dell 3008WFP-HC control monitor. While we were worried that the quoted 14ms response time would lead to blurry images and ghosting in games, the NEC displayed roughly the same level of lag as the HP - it was fine, if not exceptional.

So no worries, especially if gaming is not the primary purpose. There's a small bit of backlit bleed - so displaying extremely dark or black images will have a glow from the edges, but it's no worse than any other monitor from what I read. Other sparadic issues that came up were text quality being slightly less than perfect (probably a non-issue, just a super-nitpick of IPS panels), and some reports of noise/buzzing on a few panels (but not on most). There was also mention of it lacking a few of the typical inputs one would expect, so make sure you're covered in that area obviously.

People seem impressed with it, so go for it and good luck! At $300 it seems like a steal! I take no responsibility if you don't like it though :P
 
Before I will look up wish-list for weather to keep my 580Watts.

I might plan to do on core i7, will worth to buy new PSU? Are there still on 2.2 ATX version?
 
So does anyone have an suggestions on how I should go about keeping myself grounded while I build my computer tomorrow? I've been reading many different things; keeping the computer plugged in but switched off, touching the case, wearing a wrist band, bla bla. Any clarification would be nice, lots of confusing information out there.
 
INDIGO_CYCLOPS said:
So does anyone have an suggestions on how I should go about keeping myself grounded while I build my computer tomorrow? I've been reading many different things; keeping the computer plugged in but switched off, touching the case, wearing a wrist band, bla bla. Any clarification would be nice, lots of confusing information out there.
I always just touch the case a lot. A wrist strap is the gold standard, but I'm too cheap/cocky to shell out the $10. It's just static electricity, you know what causes it (shuffling around), so avoid it or touch the case whenever you move.
 
INDIGO_CYCLOPS said:
So does anyone have an suggestions on how I should go about keeping myself grounded while I build my computer tomorrow? I've been reading many different things; keeping the computer plugged in but switched off, touching the case, wearing a wrist band, bla bla. Any clarification would be nice, lots of confusing information out there.

Stay away from the carpet, and just ground your self on the case once in a while.
 
That's what I thought; that's what I did on my previous build, but that was about 6 years ago. It's not even that I'm cheap about the wristband, but I don't feel like making a trip to get it right now. Maybe in the future. I'll probably put everything together on my kitchen table, won't have anything on it, and a linoleum floor is underneath (I've heard that can help?). Any tips on what to place the motherboard on when installing the CPU prior to putting it in the case?
 
INDIGO_CYCLOPS said:
That's what I thought; that's what I did on my previous build, but that was about 6 years ago. It's not even that I'm cheap about the wristband, but I don't feel like making a trip to get it right now. Maybe in the future. I'll probably put everything together on my kitchen table, won't have anything on it, and a linoleum floor is underneath (I've heard that can help?). Any tips on what to place the motherboard on when installing the CPU prior to putting it in the case?
I put CPU+heatsink and RAM.
 
Odious Tea said:
I put CPU+heatsink and RAM.

Right, but I meant should I be concerned what the motherboard is resting on, for instance the table top. I figure the bottom of the mobo is just as vulnerable than the top. I hope I'm not being too confusing. Thanks for the help everyone!
 
INDIGO_CYCLOPS said:
Right, but I meant should I be concerned what the motherboard is resting on, for instance the table top. I figure the bottom of the mobo is just as vulnerable than the top. I hope I'm not being too confusing. Thanks for the help everyone!
Ah. Sorry. I misread. I just placed it on the foam and antistatic bag that came with the motherboard.
 
PC Gaf, what's a good sub $200 quad core (LGA775) to replace an E8400... Brainstew, I know you suggested the Q9550 (unless there's a cheaper way to get one that I don't know about) for me in another thread but it's a tad bit over my budget and I don't want to completely overhaul my PC..
 
Odious Tea said:
Ah. Sorry. I misread. I just placed it on the foam and antistatic bag that came with the motherboard.

Not a problem, that's what I figured. Thanks for clarifying! Really looking forward to getting this thing up and running!
 
INDIGO_CYCLOPS said:
Not a problem, that's what I figured. Thanks for clarifying! Really looking forward to getting this thing up and running!
It's a really great experience to have. Please report back on how your build went! :D
 
INDIGO_CYCLOPS said:
So does anyone have an suggestions on how I should go about keeping myself grounded while I build my computer tomorrow? I've been reading many different things; keeping the computer plugged in but switched off, touching the case, wearing a wrist band, bla bla. Any clarification would be nice, lots of confusing information out there.

I did the wrist band thing when I first built but got annoyed with it. Ever since then, I just touch a metal part of the case before messing with anything inside and Ive been fine.
 
Need some quick help here, as I'm looking for a new monitor. Basically, I want about a 22-24" monitor, or basically something around there (upgrading from a 19" 1440x900). I play a lot of games competitively, so the lag/delay/whatever is called is important. Image quality is important, and it should be worth noting that I also plan to play consoles such as PS3, etc on it, so HDMI would be nice. I'd appreciate it if someone could give some suggestions, or maybe if someone has a link to some websites that might be able to help (I've seen a few, but I lost the bookmarks from getting a new computer, etc.). Thanks!

PS. My PC upgrading post should follow shortly after... :D
 
Budget: around $1,000 (already have the monitor and speakers)
Main Use(s): Gaming, Video/Photo Editing
Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080
List SPECIFIC games that you MUST be able to play: everything.

here's what i'm looking at for the moment.

i7 920 - $200
ASUS P6X58D - $300
ATI Radeon HD 5830 - $230

since i was a kid, i've always overclocked my pcs but i've been out of the game for over 4 years and the game has changed so as far as the case, memory, psu, and hd, i'm clueless as to whose pocket the remainder of my money will get into. has water cooling gone down in price as well?

i've never built a pc where my motherboard cost more than the processor itself which is making me a bit uneasy but having read up on it, i do like the idea that its "future proof". as little as that means, it's comforting knowing it'll support intels next line of cpu revisions as well as the latest tech for usb and sata. though knowing my luck, the next cpus in the i series will probably never depreciate enough in value to justify the cost. if i'm wrong for choosing it, point me in the right direction.


thanks for your help in advance guyz
 
Hello everyone,

I have a novice question to ask, hopefully this is the right place for it.

My fiancee has a Compaq CQ5107C-B with the following specs:

- AMD Athlon X2 7550 Dual-Core
- 3 GB RAM

I've decided to upgrade her computer's graphic card for her, so that she doesn't have to use my PC to play Dungeons and Dragons Online. (I built my rig myself, but it was my first time, so I still consider myself a novice.)

So, I'm going to get her an ATI Radeon 4850, and I figure that should be good enough to play DDO and Dragon Age (and hopefully Diablo 3 in the future).

I am going to do the following steps:

Swap her 250W PSU for a Cooler Master 550W.
Install the video card in the PCI-E slot.
Go into the BIOS and either disable the onboard video (Nvidia GeForce 6150 SE) or switch it to PCI.

My question is, is there anything missing that I haven't thought of? Problems with swapping the card in, or a vital step that I missed?

Thanks.
 
I have a friend who has a $600 budget and also games on his PC. He's looking to get a new processor, motherboard, ram, power supply and video card. Basically he wants to know the best he can get performance wise for that budget. Thanks.
 
The Quiet Man said:
Hello everyone,

I have a novice question to ask, hopefully this is the right place for it.

My fiancee has a Compaq CQ5107C-B with the following specs:

- AMD Athlon X2 7550 Dual-Core
- 3 GB RAM

I've decided to upgrade her computer's graphic card for her, so that she doesn't have to use my PC to play Dungeons and Dragons Online. (I built my rig myself, but it was my first time, so I still consider myself a novice.)

So, I'm going to get her an ATI Radeon 4850, and I figure that should be good enough to play DDO and Dragon Age (and hopefully Diablo 3 in the future).

I am going to do the following steps:

Swap her 250W PSU for a Cooler Master 550W.
Install the video card in the PCI-E slot.
Go into the BIOS and either disable the onboard video (Nvidia GeForce 6150 SE) or switch it to PCI.

My question is, is there anything missing that I haven't thought of? Problems with swapping the card in, or a vital step that I missed?

Thanks.

Not that the 4850 is a bad card (I have one and love it myself), it is probably at least worth considering looking into a getting a 5770 instead. It won't perform all that much better, but it will draw a lot less power, run quieter, and be DX11 capable. That doesn't matter for DDO or DA, but with Diablo 3 still appearing at least a year, if not a year and a half away, who knows if it might count for that game. And even if not that, there's always the possibility that other games might come out she will want to play where DX11 might matter. It is of course slightly more expensive, ~40-50$ more.
 
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