Hazaro said:
Would something like this be good? Also, is 4GB of memory enough? and does upgrading to the Radeon 5870 create any bottlenecks anywhere else? would 650w still be enough for that card? ThanksHazaro said:MC seems awesome :[
RTS games are actually taxing since they push the CPU very hard.
And because you say RTS I have to say to go with an i5-750. Overclock it to 4+Ghz.
Add on this mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131621
and upgrade the PSU to a Corsair 750w (SLi GTX 460 later)
http://i.imgur.com/m1nHQ.jpg
Value wise a 1GB GTX460 will run most games at 4xAA, high/max settings/60FPS @ 1080p. Is that acceptable for $230? IF not you can upgrade now, but value wise it's not the best thing you can do. If you only want to run 1 card you can save a bit on the mobo also and get something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128412
You can also keep the PSU down to the 650W version.
If you have some spare money you can toss in a 80 or 128GB SSD (Intel,C300, or WD Blue), or can wait for the prices to come down near the end of this year.
Something to note is that Socket 1156 is probably going to see a refresh of current hardware, but not entirely new CPU's. However for pure gaming and especially RTS I don't expect AMD to have a more powerful 4 core solution soon.
*Also the GTX460 can output video and audio via HDMI so playing on your HDTV is entirely possible if you like. Monitor wise a 22-24" 1080p will run you about $150-$180 for a TN panel from ASUS/ACER/Samsung
REV 09 said:Would something like this be good? Also, is 4GB of memory enough? and does upgrading to the Radeon 5870 create any bottlenecks anywhere else? would 650w still be enough for that card? Thanks
Processor Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor BX80605I5750 $200
MotherBoard ASUS P7P55D-E LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard $150
Memory G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL $99
Graphics XFX HD-587X-ZNFV Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card $380
Sound Creative 70SB073A00000 7.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer $100
Storage SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $75
Optical SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner LightScribe Support - OEM $23
Cooling COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve CPU Cooler $50
Case Rosewill CRUISER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case with Side Panel Window, comes with Four Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Rear 120mm Fan, 1x Side Blue LED 190mm Fan $70
Power Supply CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply $90
Wireless D-Link DWA-552 IEEE 802.11g, IEEE802.11n Draft 2.0 32-bit PCI Xtreme Desktop Adapter Up to 300Mbps Wireless Data Rates Wi-Fi Protected Access (WPA, WPA2) $45
Thermal Paste Tuniq TX-2 Cooling Thermal Compound $5
Windows 7 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM $100
Total $1,387
Salaadin said:How much does overclocking improve FPS when gaming? Is it worth it when the majority of my PC time is spent gaming?
thanks for the input. i'm actually planning on using headphones most of the time, so i wasn't sure if i needed a dedicated soundcard or not. I may swap the case out then, i wasn't aware that Rosewill was a budget brand.kagete said:I have no experience with soundcards so I dunno about spending 100 on that. I mean, do you have a fancy receiver and speaker setup you're hooking this up to? In the same price range and budget I'd think about putting that money towards an SSD instead, but that's just me.
The Rosewill cases are "budget" cases and they're very polarizing... Some people swear by them while others hate them. There's a ton of great Antec and Coolermaster cases that sometimes drop to that price range during sales so it might be an option. Rosewill have only recently been releasing their better cases so not a lot of sites will have detailed, un-biased reviews of them whereas the other brands will have reviews/user impressions all over the web.
Maybe someone that just bought intel could comment on your other parts. Otherwise I think it's great and if I had that same budget I'd probably buy 90% the same parts
REV 09 said:thanks for the input. i'm actually planning on using headphones most of the time, so i wasn't sure if i needed a dedicated soundcard or not. I may swap the case out then, i wasn't aware that Rosewill was a budget brand.
Hazaro said:865MHz stock volts?
I'd overvolt that GTX460. Probably get 930Mhz out of it.
*3.8 on 1.25V? Or is it set on auto in BIOS? I'd double check with CPU-Z to make sure unless you already have of course.
I know for me, part of the appeal was the sale price of $1149.manngc said:I don't think Dell has this system at that price anymore. I was spec-ing it out yesterday and it's at least $200 more now (due mainly to the Blu-ray drive, Wireless N and extra .5TB HDD).
Classic_Gs said:I know for me, part of the appeal was the sale price of $1149.
John said:So what's the most probably cause of a computer getting progressively louder? I put in a Coolermaster 212+ seven months ago and my rig was incredibly quiet, but the noise has been coming back :/
Amneisac said:Honestly, I'm not sure about the voltage on the CPU. I never changed it, so whatever it was set to by default. I'll check it when I get home.
Big-E said:I am moving to China for a year soon and will not be able to take my desktop with me for obvious reasons so I need some advice. I think I am going to need a full on powerful notebook as my Asus EEE 1000H isn't going to do me any good for that period of time. Was looking at this laptop as it is probably at the upper end of my spending limit. Anyone else have any suggestions for a desktop replacement at that price range that will allow me to keep up with gaming?
Felix Lighter said:I actually think I lucked out with a kick ass chip. I can keep the voltages quite low, even at 4.0 ghz, it was stable under 1.30v but my max core temps went just past 80C while running stress tests and I just didn't think 150 Mhz was worth the an extra 7-8C.
Big-E said:I am moving to China for a year soon and will not be able to take my desktop with me for obvious reasons so I need some advice. I think I am going to need a full on powerful notebook as my Asus EEE 1000H isn't going to do me any good for that period of time. Was looking at this laptop as it is probably at the upper end of my spending limit. Anyone else have any suggestions for a desktop replacement at that price range that will allow me to keep up with gaming?
I would swap the Creative out for a Asus Xonar DX if you use headphones. It supports Dolby Headphone, which is the real deal when it comes to simulating 5.1. You won't miss speakers at all.REV 09 said:thanks for the input. i'm actually planning on using headphones most of the time, so i wasn't sure if i needed a dedicated soundcard or not. I may swap the case out then, i wasn't aware that Rosewill was a budget brand.
Gritesh said:Holy...80C at 4.0??
I ran 4.0 on my X6 and I was under full load for 6 hours, only hit 49C once, usually stayed around 46-48....80 is insane. I wouldn't want to push it much past 55C but thats just me...
If you think that's hot, I have a Pentium D that idles at 70, at stock clocks. It hits 90 at load. Intel really failed with that one.Felix Lighter said:I wouldn't say 80C is insane but it's higher than I'd like to see. A processor overclocked to 4.0 Ghz running below 50C under full load is quite amazing, especially if it's air cooled.
Where is it then, because can't get that price on a similar system and the anandtech article gives me an error.kagete said:It's still at 1149.
manngc said:Where is it then, because can't get that price on a similar system and the anandtech article gives me an error.
Amneisac said:Okay, I got home and I tuned down the OC a little bit and set a regular voltage (I just put it on normal, which is 1.2) and ran a few stress tests at 3.675ghz. Here's what it looked like in the last test at peak temps
Does everything seem about right with that?
For starters, I'd increase the airflow in that case. Where are the rest of your fans? Molex? Fan controller? Unless you're using an SFF build of some sort that is limiting you, I'd add some more fans. Even with a stock cooler you should be doing better than those temps.Extollere said:While we're talking voltage I need some advice
http://i28.tinypic.com/bjbihv.jpg
I am trying to get these temps down... I think (but don't know) that lowering the voltage may help? If so, which setting do I change, and how much should it be changed?
Well that's why, it was buried under the business section..kagete said:http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/studio-xps-7100?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04
Rightmost option. I assume you're US?
Inkwell said:I've bothered people in here about this before, but I always get nervous before purchases like this.
Anyway, I ordered a GTX 460. Now it's time to choose a monitor. I'm planning on getting this 24" ASUS at the moment. It seems to have very good reviews, but I have a few questions.
1. Is it worth getting a 24" to do 1920x1080? I really can't go any larger. It's both a size and money issue.
2. There's also this 23.6" ASUS. It's slightly smaller and has a 5 ms response time instead of 2ms, but it's cheaper (after shipping and the rebate it would be about $30 cheaper).
3. Should I get an LED LCD instead?
I'm sorry if I'm being annoying and asking about the same stuff, it's just that I'm so excited (and really nervous) about finally upgrading from a 17" CRT.
Yeah, that one seems like a nice choice as well, but it says 23", not 23.6". I'm not quite sure how much difference there is between 24", 23.6", and 23". I think I'll remove the 23.6" one from my choices and leave it between the 23" and the 24" for now. That is unless people have some other recommendations.kagete said:You missed this one. 23.6 Asus, 2ms but cheaper/same price as the 5ms one you saw
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059&cm_re=vh236h-_-24-236-059-_-Product
Inkwell said:Yeah, that one seems like a nice choice as well, but it says 23", not 23.6". I'm not quite sure how much difference there is between 24", 23.6", and 23". I think I'll remove the 23.6" one from my choices and leave it between the 23" and the 24" for now. That is unless people have some other recommendations.
:lol Me too, my friend, me too.demosthenes said:Hyper 212+ took me WAY too long to install >_<
Same deal for me when i installed it a few months ago.demosthenes said:Hyper 212+ took me WAY too long to install >_<
If a GTX 460 is more than you need, how about a GTX 260 for $99? Still a very capable gaming card and it's half the price of the card you're currently looking at.SaintR said:Hi guy, thanks to all for the super informative thread. I wanted you guys opinion on what DVR/TV tuner card I should get for my build. This is the MB below that I'm getting along with an I5 760 cpu and and a gtx 460 ( which I think is overkill for my needs so a cheaper alternative will be welcome). Thanks guys again for the help.
ASUS P7P55D-E Pro LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
cramcakes said:Computer for parents priced at:
Total ~520
I'd get a Xonar over an X-Fi.REV 09 said:Would something like this be good? Also, is 4GB of memory enough? and does upgrading to the Radeon 5870 create any bottlenecks anywhere else? would 650w still be enough for that card? Thanks
Sound Creative 70SB073A00000 7.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer $100
Case Rosewill CRUISER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case with Side Panel Window, comes with Four Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Rear 120mm Fan, 1x Side Blue LED 190mm Fan $70
Nice. I'd definitely overvolt that.Amneisac said:This is from the 460 thread:
Dust build up / fan wear. Cleaning the heatsink and GPU is probably where most of the noise is coming from.John said:So what's the most probably cause of a computer getting progressively louder? I put in a Coolermaster 212+ seven months ago and my rig was incredibly quiet, but the noise has been coming back :/
That seems quite low. Are you using an updated Core/RealTemp and a program like ORTHOS/Prime95/OCCT?Gritesh said:I ran 4.0 on my X6 and I was under full load for 6 hours, only hit 49C once, usually stayed around 46-48....80 is insane. I wouldn't want to push it much past 55C but thats just me...
Something is very wrong with temps. Doublecheck with Core/RealTemp and if it is still that high remount your heatsink.Extollere said:While we're talking voltage I need some advice
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I am trying to get these temps down... I think (but don't know) that lowering the voltage may help? If so, which setting do I change, and how much should it be changed?
CPU has a wide range but around 40-80CXamdou said:What are regular/safe temperatures at idle and gaming mode for gaming laptops?
Looks quite good to me.Lexxon said:So here's my idea, GAF--I have a lot of thrown together parts in this computer which the guts are actually from a Dell Inspiron 530. I'm going to throw everything back into the Dell case and buy what I need to make this into an i7 rig, while also upgrading my video. (8800GT is out for RMA)
i7 930 from Microcenter for $212.50 (factoring in tax)
Hyper 212 Plus + additional Fan for around $30, Microcenter
EVGA X58 SLI Refurb from EVGA's B-List - $100
G.Skill 6GB DDR3-1600) - $150, newegg
Gigabyte 1GB GTX 460 - $230, newegg [Just went out of stock, ACK! MSI maybe?]
I have no idea how long I have left until that refurb mobo is gone (again) and I want my parts in for the weekend, so I may order tonight. Any thoughts, GAFfers?
Top is usually more ideal if you can do it.demosthenes said:So my H212+ arrived today...a second fan is completely optional on it right? Especially if my overclocking isn't going to be that high? I have a back fan and top fan... Going to have the airflow on it going upwards , this makes sense right?
Dang that is a nice chip.Amneisac said:Okay, I got home and I tuned down the OC a little bit and set a regular voltage (I just put it on normal, which is 1.2) and ran a few stress tests at 3.675ghz. Here's what it looked like in the last test at peak temps:
Does everything seem about right with that?
http://i31.tinypic.com/inva5x.jpgRodney McKay said:I'm looking to make a cheap($600-$700), decently powered PC for myself. My monitor only goes up to 1680x1050, so I don't really need to push the resolution too high. If it's possible with my price point, I would be interested in running the Dolphin emulator.
Need load temps. Those are some really nice idle numbers though.demosthenes said:http://i858.photobucket.com/albums/ab145/mpmaley0/computer.jpg
Everything is stock except the GPU which is OC'ed.
Do you really think that they'll come anywhere close to filling up a 1TB drive? If so, get that same 1TB Samsung F3 for $65 from here:cramcakes said:Anyone care to double check my build? It's just an upgrade for my parents. Email, word processing, pictures of grandbabies, etc. so I'm going with onboard graphics. I could save a little on ram, but my dad wants 4 gigs of that "new fast ram." lolparents.
LITE-ON CD/DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model iHAS124-04 - OEM
$17.99
COOLER MASTER ELITE 335 RC-335-KKN1-GP Black SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$49.99
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$74.99
Antec EarthWatts Green EA-380D Green 380W Continuous power ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power ...
-$20.00 Instant
$59.99
$39.99
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10600CL8D-4GBHK
$93.99
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
$99.99
combo:
ASUS M4A785TD-M EVO AM3 AMD 785G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
AMD Athlon II X3 440 Rana 3.0GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Desktop Processor ADX440WFGIBOX
$137.98
Total ~520
The X4 630 is one of three combo deals that they're running. Theses are the rest:asdad123 said:How would this MB do?
Microcenter has a deal where you buy a X4 630 for $89.99 and get the Mobo for free.