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TouchMyBox
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d0g_bear said:I'm not an expert at this by any means, but it seems to me like that techreport article (conclusions here) concludes that the stock 470 has almost identical performance to the 5870 and costs less:
although of course it doesn't go into issues like noise, temp, and power consumption.
And given the criteria of the chart, it should only include a handful of games.
Mr_Brit said:
Eh, while the GTX 460 is a really nice card, I'd still rather have the 5870 over the 480. And "horrible drivers"? Are we still stuck in the early 2000s? :lol As someone who deals with both nvidia and ati drivers regularly, I find they both suck in their own ways equalling eachother out.
brain_stew
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d0g_bear said:I'm not an expert at this by any means, but it seems to me like that techreport article (conclusions here) concludes that the stock 470 has almost identical performance to the 5870 and costs less:
although of course it doesn't go into issues like noise, temp, and power consumption.
That's because they're only testing DX11 games (as well as Borderlands but that performs like ass on ATI GPUs), its not really a valid spread of games imo. Though the GTX 470 has sure become a little more attractive since the last time I checked, cheaper as well.
Actually, I didn't quite realise the GTX 470 was down below $300 now since it wasn't a card I was keeping tabs on. So thanks, it looks like quite a good deal now. Its the power consumption and heat that are the real killers but if they don't bother you and you want more performance than the GTX 460 can deliver then go right ahead, its no longer a lame duck.
This is the one you want:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130550&cm_re=gtx_470-_-14-130-550-_-Product
OCing is as simple as moving a slider.
brain_stew
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Omiee said:
Not quite but not far off, although I can't in good conscience ever recommend someone buys a crossfire setup at this time. SLI is problematic enough, add in ATI's tardy crossfire profile updates and suspect scaling at the best of times and its basically a crapshoot. Too much effort for too little pay off.
Alex
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Quick question about an SSD, very new to the tech
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139132
Is this one of good quality? The reviews are nice, the size would suit me ok and it's a reasonable price. I'm just unsure how to look at the specs yet.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139132
Is this one of good quality? The reviews are nice, the size would suit me ok and it's a reasonable price. I'm just unsure how to look at the specs yet.
brain_stew
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TouchMyBox said:
Well ATI's drivers are "fine" these days, but they're pretty barebones, doing simple stuff like forcing AA is always much more difficult with ATI hardware and their Crossfire drivers are complete shit compared to SLI. Updates take too long and don't deliver the same performance scaling even when they do arrive.
At this moment in time, I personally wouldn't even consider buying an ATI card, though few have the same demands as I do. That's why I'll recommend them still although they're super overpriced atm and way overdue a price cut at the high end.
brain_stew
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Alex said:
I'd still stick with an Intel drive at this point although Crucial's C300 drives are probably worht considering.
brain_stew
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Weenerz said:
With EVGA offering a GTX 470 for $280 after rebate with a lifetime warranty I don't know why you'd consider any other GTX 470 tbh.
Its not the lak of raw performance that would be my concern rather the smaller framebuffer. Is there any specific reason why a single GTX 480 isn't enough for you? What are you upgrading from? Resolution? Using 3D. If a single GPU card can deliver the performance you want then its almost always the better option.
evil solrac v3.0
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Weenerz said:
well, he don't like SLI,
i've been using it for two years and i've always felt it's been worth it, it basically let's me save money by not having to have bought a new card to get better performance.brain_stew
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Weenerz said:
1080p isn't a high resolution in PC land, its considered average, most recommend a humble 5770 for comfortable 1080p gaming. There's just no good reason that I can see to get anything above and beyond a GTX 480 for simple 1080p gaming. If you have a 2560x1600 panel or are using 3D Vision then things may be slightly different.
Save yourself the headaches of an SLI setup and just get a single GTX 480 and don't gimp yourself with a smaller framebuffer in the process.
Add a $45 GT 240 to your build for PhysX fun without the performance penalty while you're on. That's a smarter investment than 2xGTX 470s in my book.
This is the GTX 480 I'd choose:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130552&cm_re=gtx_480-_-14-130-552-_-Product
$440 after MIR with a lifetime warranty from EVGA, great deal.
Then this GT 240 (be sure to set it as a dedicated PhysX card in your drivers when you set it up):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133306&cm_re=gt_240-_-14-133-306-_-Product
You can always add another GTX 480 down the line if you're not satisfied with performance (you won't be) and they'll be cheaper by then anyway.
brain_stew
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Spike said:
I5-750 will be faster in SC2 by a decent margin. You're paying for better performance now w/ no real upgrade options by getting the i5-750 vs. better performance later with good upgrade options if you get the X6.
Alex said:
I have that same drive. Get this one though:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139133
Has the desktop bundle with everything you need to get it going.
It's been a fantastic hdd so far and the speed is just mind boggling compared to a 7200 rpm hdd.
Let's try this again...
The Dell U2410 is a deal of the week on the Canadian site (200$ off, so 499$ now from 699$). The reviews are pretty stellar and the screen can be rotated. I'm just wondering if 200$ off is the awesome deal that it looks like, or if there might be better out there.
There's a 6MS response time though, how does that translate to gaming? I've also never used a 16:10 monitor, I don't imagine it'll change much of anything in regards to watching movies and series right?
The Dell U2410 is a deal of the week on the Canadian site (200$ off, so 499$ now from 699$). The reviews are pretty stellar and the screen can be rotated. I'm just wondering if 200$ off is the awesome deal that it looks like, or if there might be better out there.
There's a 6MS response time though, how does that translate to gaming? I've also never used a 16:10 monitor, I don't imagine it'll change much of anything in regards to watching movies and series right?
6ms GTG on an IPS panel?Vhalyar said:
Wow, I haven't been keeping up.
IPS known for producing MUCH better colors at a cost of input delay (6ms GTG is fine) vs TN which is down to 2ms iirc.
TN is has worse colors, has worse viewing angles, but it's also around 3x cheaper.
Also it will just have black bars for viewing 1080p content.
Speaking of the 470...
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6051046&SRCCODE=HARDOCPJS&cm_mmc_o=dRqJ4mCjCZ-qKR2VCjC2zfGpjnoCjC7SDoCiSIi
$30 Coupon Code: SAY4753 + $30 rebate + free shipping = $240 470
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6051046&SRCCODE=HARDOCPJS&cm_mmc_o=dRqJ4mCjCZ-qKR2VCjC2zfGpjnoCjC7SDoCiSIi
$30 Coupon Code: SAY4753 + $30 rebate + free shipping = $240 470
Dragona Akehi
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Oh I forgot to mention, those specs I pulled out should be able to manage Dolphin well, right? Playing Mario Galaxy at 1080p 60fps would be very nice looking.
Dragona Akehi said:
Well if Dolphin is your primary concern, then go Intel. You should also get a beefier card. My system is Phenom ii X4 at 3.5Ghz with a 4850 512MB and when I turn on 4xSSAA I take a big hit, and thats at 1680 x 1050. My guess is that the memory is too little to push that kind of high res (4 times 1680 x 1050). If someone knows for sure then please correct.
Dragona Akehi
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Jin34 said:
It isn't my "primary" concern, but I can't say I wouldn't be interested with tinkering with it and PCX2 as well, even though I have a hacked Wii and an HDLoader for PS2.
Dragona Akehi said:
Well between the Athlon X4 and the i3 its basically:
i3 > X4 in emulation, X4 > i3 in everything else.
You should probably go one step up on the gpu ladder into the 5750/5770 territory. They have 1GB of memory which will help a lot at 1080p, specially if you want AA. Plust they are far more powerful. Your system @ load will still stay under 250W easy.
Dragona Akehi
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Jin34 said:
Well as I noted in my original post, they should be i5s, not i3s. I forgot i3 was only dual-core.
Dragona Akehi said:
You should keep in mind that some i5s are dual core and others quads, and looking at the prices, there is no reason to go for the dual core ones. It's only a $15 difference. If you are wondering why, it's because the dual core ones have an IGP on the same die, but since you are getting a discrete card, that is useless to you.
Dragona Akehi
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Jin34 said:
Definitely would be wanting quad-core processors.
Dragona Akehi said:
Well the i5 is far more powerful than the Athlon, but fore HTPC purposes it really doesnt make much of a difference. It depends on how much you want to game on it (emu or PC games) and/or any fancy gfx, video editing apps. The other thing is an AM3 board probably has an upgrade path (Bulldozer) while the LGA 1156 has none, though I can't imagine a scenario where one would need to upgrade from the i5 in a few years.
ohhthegore
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Ok bear with me smart people, i gave my brother in law $1500 to build me a PC for gaming and schooling, he built it and it ran amazing letting me run mass effect 2 at full settings and everything. A few days ago he said he could make it run even better so he starts messing with the BIOS screen stuff. After he changes things the computer would crash, he tried going back to the settings that it was at before and now it still keeps crashing randomly and runs very badly and he cant figure out how to fix it, am I fucked? Is this an easy fix? or do i need to call a professional to come check it out? thanks for any replies
Hawk269
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Well the parts for my new PC came in today. The biggest frustration has been with the fact that no matter what I do using my laptop, I cannot get StarCraft 2 to display at 1080p without cutting off the top/bottom on my 60" 1080p Projection screen. Using my Laptop that only has an 8800GTS, I tried SC2 in Windowed Fullscreen at 1080p and it looks really good and all I have is a 1/4" on each side of the screen..but everything else is good. The SC2 menu states that I may have a FPS hit using Windowed mode.
So...before my friend begins assembly of the new rig and knowing that I am probably going to take a hit on SC2 in window mode, how much of hit would that be being that new rig has a:
AMD Black Edition Phenom 2 X4 3.4Ghz
4 Gigs of Ram
Nvidia 460
With that much horse power, running the game in Window Full SCreen and Ultra settings, would I even take a hit?
Thanks everyone!
So...before my friend begins assembly of the new rig and knowing that I am probably going to take a hit on SC2 in window mode, how much of hit would that be being that new rig has a:
AMD Black Edition Phenom 2 X4 3.4Ghz
4 Gigs of Ram
Nvidia 460
With that much horse power, running the game in Window Full SCreen and Ultra settings, would I even take a hit?
Thanks everyone!
ohhthegore
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Ok i just did this lets see if it works...
Big Baybee
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I'm looking for 6GB ram, a motherboard, and a graphics card. Friend gave me a CM storm sniper case. Price range im going for the build is $1000-1300. As a matter of fact, just throw out any suggestions any of you may have. I'm still rather clueless. :lol
Vhalyar said:
That Dell sale is a joke. They just jack the normal price to make it seem like it's a sale. Usually I see it sitting around 550$ but the truly disgusting thing is that the 16:9 U24 panel sells for HALF the price when it goes on sale. I think it was only this past week it was on for 250$. They charge another 250$ just for another inch of glass. :S
Najaf said:I just finished piecing her together.
Now, will we have post?
Your 460s actually look copper in that photo. Do they look like that in real life? Mine look silverish. The box said 2 ounces worth of copper and couldn't for the life of me figure out where it all was.
DodgyGeezerFella
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CSampson said:
Try just putting the W7 disc in and rebooting, some motherboards by default try the DVD drive first, hit a key if it asks. Otherwise, look at the boot screen and see what key it is for the boot menu (could be F11/12, something like that) then just pick the DVD drive
