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"I need a new PC!" 2010 Edition
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brain_stew said:
thanks, thanks for all your help . But it seems I'm fucked regardless, whatever I do. Just now, just now I tried to reinstall 1 step older forceware drivers and the first fucking thing that pops up is " Nvidia setup cannot find any drivers compatible on your pc , the setup will now exit ". How much must I suck in order to fuck something like that up?
Sheesh.
brain_stew
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Minsc said:
I wouldn't be surprised for him to be just below 60fps tbh, especially since Phenoms don't seem to perform as well as they should in Mafia and the fact he only has a triple, rather than quad core would make matters worse. Mafia 2 puts quite a lot of load on the CPU, although it does spread it well across cores.
brain_stew
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Corky said:
Run driver sweeper and just install Forceware drivers fresh again. Switching cards so much in such a short time can play silly buggers with your drivers. We'll get you there eventually!
brain_stew said:
As much as I want to believe this I fear buying a 980x wouldn't make shit of a difference for me. Something would fuck up anyway. If its not hardware its software if its software its a fucking meteroite hitting my house.
brain_stew
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Corky said:
Well if your current Windows install is sloppy you can always create a fresh one. Probably makes sense with all the weird going on that you've been experiencing.
brain_stew
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·feist· said:
ATI Tool?
Which Intel integrated graphics chipset doesn't support SM 3.0 these days? You sure you got the latest drivers?
turned off v-sync still stutters like crazy in the beginning of the benchmark
edit :
well, without v-sync I get 55fps with seems to coincide with article above.
But is this the way it's gonna be? I mean, choosing between playing with tearing vs playing with stutters vs install 3rd party software?
edit :
well, without v-sync I get 55fps with seems to coincide with article above.
But is this the way it's gonna be? I mean, choosing between playing with tearing vs playing with stutters vs install 3rd party software?
brain_stew
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Corky said:
Why is that an issue? Its like 3MB or something and once set is completely transparent. I'd wager 90%+ of the posters giving advice in this thread (including me of course) have it installed. The benchmark stutters at one point on everyone's rig fwiw, its why the "minimum" framerate is always super low, no matter what hardware you have.
Consoles suffer from this exact same phenomenon as well, the difference is the PC allows you to use a sure-fire solution (triple buffering) to alleviate the major issues. Most of the best performing console games (like Uncharted 2) use triple buffering just as D3DOverrider does.
brain_stew
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Nabs said:
I definitely did at one point in the benchmark and if you check everyone else's results you'll see there's a point where the framerate always tanks.
If you're on the brink of 60fps and using double buffer vsync then the constant switching between a 32ms and 16ms refresh will absolutely result in a noticeable stutter.
Edit: Just to check, you get no stuttering during actual gameplay, right?
82945G.brain_stew said:
I got the latest Intel drivers and Direct X updates. Unfortunately, I don't have a spare PSU lying around (to verify if the current one is indeed at fault) and won't be able to get one for quite some time. Since I'm paying for this build myself (giving it away as a present), I'd like to keep the costs as low as I can so having a program that can report on the PSU would be very helpful.
It'd be great if it monitors health/errors. I'll give it a shot. Thanks.brain_stew said:
brain_stew
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·feist· said:
It does.
Corky said:
Hey Corky, I just remembered something similar happening to me with a build maybe 5 years ago. It always seemed like something was wrong with it despite me replacing most parts and tearing it down and building it backup and reinstalling it over and over again. Plus it had some weird stuttering in games. I thought it was my PSU but eventually found out that the socket I was plugging the PC in was poorly wired or something and my PC problems just disappeared when I plugged it in another room. I don't know if you've already tried this but it might be worth looking at. You'll get there man, keep it cool
brain_stew said:
No no its not an issue or anything , it's just that I was hoping, naively, that simply changing my broken old cards to a new decent card would solve some of my problems.
Brainstew, I tried crysis and it seems to work even better now than compared to my 250 sli, though I had v-sync enabled there without a problem. Is this problem perhaps mafia 2-related only?
edit : thanks kagete, though it seems , preliminary, that things are up and running now.
brain_stew
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Corky said:
You can get Cryengine 2 to use triple buffering but its not enabled by default.
This "problem" is common to the vast majority of games out there (its actually there by design), its just it'll be more noticeable in some games than others depending on where you performance lies but one things for sure if you use the standard ingame (double buffer) vsync option you will be leaving performance on the table. Sometimes it'll be around 40% like in Mafia 2, othertimes it'll be less than 10%, but it'll always be there to some degree, and there's no good reason no to not go ahead and get that performance back when you can do so with such ease.
brain_stew
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Omiee said:
930, though the 870 is cheaper and consumes less power of course.
brain_stew said:
Hmm I'll have to check if I've enabled trible buffering. I read the thread you linked and will of course do whatever it takes to get as much as I simple can from the components I got.
So should I simply use rivatuner/d3doverrider and play all my games with the forced triple buffer? And this will give me a higher fps than if I would simply run the game with the ingame v-sync?
Felix Lighter
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Omiee said:
If you plan on using multiple GPUs, you may see some benefit from LGA1366 i7 930. Other than that I can't imagine too much difference.
brain_stew
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Corky said:
That's what I (and most GAFers) do, yes.
If it causes a game to run funny, its simple enough to create a profile which disable it for only that particular game which continuing to force it in everything else.
To enable CE2's inengine triple buffering you need to be running it in DX9 mode and have edited a config file so, no, you haven't enabled it already.
brain_stew said:
Hmm you're most certainly right about that. This is rather interesting, but as you stated this problem might not be for ALL games rather most, still very annoying.
Will rivatuner work with the latest forceware? Couldn't find anything about it in the rivatuner FAQ
edit : also, seeing as I dont really have a high-end rig, wont this "eat" alot of my gpus power or am I still stuck in 1999 where that was possible?
edit2: Hmm, did the install fail? windows wanted a digital signature or something. Will it work regardless?
1) I installed nhacer as the profiles are awesome for noobs like me, but as my nvidia drivers are too new is not supported.
Should I downgrade my nvidia drivers so I can get nhacer running?
2) I bougth Metro 2033 as I heard food things about it. It has some directx options like changing between 9, 10 and 11. I have a gtx 460 1Gb but I don't know what I gain for choosing one option above the other.
What directX should I choose? BTW the game is a graphical beast, OMG the textures and lightning.
Reposting in case someone sees it
Should I downgrade my nvidia drivers so I can get nhacer running?
2) I bougth Metro 2033 as I heard food things about it. It has some directx options like changing between 9, 10 and 11. I have a gtx 460 1Gb but I don't know what I gain for choosing one option above the other.
What directX should I choose? BTW the game is a graphical beast, OMG the textures and lightning.
Reposting in case someone sees it
brain_stew
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Corky said:
By most I mean 99%+ of games. Games with native triple buffering support are very, very rare, you just won't notice the phenomenom in most games without having it pointed out, you'll just get a lower framerate and harsher framerate drops than you could otherwise have.
It'll use a few MBs of VRAM but provide you with significantly better performance.
You don't actually need to use Rivatuner, you just install it to get access to D3DOverrider (its bundled with it, but a separate application). Its unlikely the install failed but it doesn't matter if it did anyway, as you won't be using Riva Tuner, just D3Doverrider.
The instructions to set it all up are all in my thread which I linked. Just boot up D3DOverrider, set detection to medium (on the "global" profile) and set to force at Windows startup. Done, don't worry about it again, you'll know its worked as you'll hear a Windows chime every time you boot a game.
brain_stew
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itxaka said:1) I installed nhacer as the profiles are awesome for noobs like me, but as my nvidia drivers are too new is not supported.
Should I downgrade my nvidia drivers so I can get nhacer running?
2) I bougth Metro 2033 as I heard food things about it. It has some directx options like changing between 9, 10 and 11. I have a gtx 460 1Gb but I don't know what I gain for choosing one option above the other.
What directX should I choose? BTW the game is a graphical beast, OMG the textures and lightning.
Reposting in case someone sees it
1) That's what I did, the choice is yours.
2) DX11. You'll probably want to disable the DX11 advanced DOF setting though as it eats frames for breakfast. You should be able to keep the tessellation enabled.
brain_stew said:
Got it up and running, let me just check with you to see if the end results here are indeed "correct"
Without the override and v-sync off, I got 55fps avg in the benchmark, though the game tore like a mf...
With the override I got 45fps avg in the benchmark, though the game is now buttery smooth, and overall very enjoyable.
Is that loss in fps representative or did I fuck up something? Nonetheless the game is very very smooth now.
( btw, should d3doverrider be running in the background at all times ? )
God I love you brainy, I swear I'm gonna triumph over all this petty bs.
So Starcraft 2 either straight up executed my video card (with its overtaxing menu bug) or at least proved to be the last straw for it. Either way it is dead.
Right now I'm looking into a Radeon 5770. It seems right around the $150 price point I have in my head. Thoughts on this card?
Right now I'm looking into a Radeon 5770. It seems right around the $150 price point I have in my head. Thoughts on this card?
moojito
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I'm considering doing a fairly minor upgrade to some parts on my pc. I currently have an amd socket 940 motherboard with an athlon x2 4200 on it. I see on ebuyer the x2 7550 for £40. Is that an upgrade worth making? Also, as it is an oem item, I assume it won't come with a heatsink or fan. I'd imagine I'd be able to use the heatsink and fan from my 4200, but will I need to buy something like thermal paste for it, or does an oem processor come with some already?
Also I was thinking of a new graphics card and you can't go two pages on this thread without seeing the 5770 recommended. Would that kind of card be wasted with a processor like the x2 7440?
Thanks in advance for any advice!
Also I was thinking of a new graphics card and you can't go two pages on this thread without seeing the 5770 recommended. Would that kind of card be wasted with a processor like the x2 7440?
Thanks in advance for any advice!
brain_stew
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Corky said:
I don't think you're actually losing any performance there, its just that you're capping the framerate at 60fps when you're using triple buffering, so the average will be lower as a result but you're not actually displaying any less frames. Any frames produced above 60fps will be discarded with triple buffering but will count towards your average when you have vsync disabled. That's why it looks just as smooth, but your average framerate is lower.
Actually watch the fps counter again without vsync disabled and you should see the only time its different is when you're in areas where you can get more than 60fps, which your monitor can't display anyway.
Yes, just tick the box to have D3DOverrider to start with Windows and leave it on in the background forever more.
brain_stew
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ultron87 said:
Its overpriced at $150, $130 is more its true worth:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102873&cm_re=5770-_-14-102-873-_-Product
brain_stew
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moojito said:
Don't put any money into that old rig imo. Just try and get the maximum OC out of your CPU with the cooling you have now and be satisfied. Save that cash for a proper upgrade later on. I don't think that CPU will work on your motherboard anyway.
I don't think a 5770 will be completely wasted, and you can always bring it over to whatever new rig you end up with in the future. However, if you know you won't be able to afford a proper upgrade within the next 12-18 months then settle for a £75 4850. With the CPU you ahve, games should play at about the same framerate anyway:
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/Components/Graphics-ATI/ATIHD4850Series/48501GB.html
brain_stew said:
Holy shit what I'd give to have your knowledge. Everything you say makes total sense there, I'm not actually getting worse performance at all just as you say.
many <3s to you my friend. All joking aside you ( and everybody else who help panicked old ladies like me ) really are a very very valuable source of aid & information, not only to the guys here in the thread but to anybody who'd stumble across this thread.
I tippeth my hat sir
MyOtherBike
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Corky said:
I just want to quote this to echo Corky's statement. I've never posted in this thread before, but I lurk like a motherfucker. This thread makes me like people.
My question would be this. I currently have a GTX 285. It still runs everything I play just fine, but with the ton of CRPGs coming out in the spring I'm going to be looking at upgrading.
Will Nvidia release a new card that would surpass the 480 prior to March 2011? Otherwise, I'm going to be looking at the Zotec AMP 480.
MyOtherBike said:
Its the best thread on neogaf. Theres a decent bunch of guys in this thread who just help people and ask for nothing in return. Youre right. It makes me like people
I got my Scythe Mugen 2 and holesaw in today. Time to cut up the Antec 900 this weekend and get those wires managed, get the new cooler and there, and OC my i5 750. This is exciting.
I'm interested in building a PC, but I've never built one before. I want to run this by GAF to see if these are all right.
These are the part, would this make a decent gaming computer?
CASE: Cooler Master Mid Tower Case
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XIST1Y/?tag=neogaf0e-20
PROCESSOR: Intel Core i7 860 2.8 GHz
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002KQ5KE8/?tag=neogaf0e-20
MOTHER BOARD: Intel Core i7/i5 LGA1156
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XDQC4K/?tag=neogaf0e-20
VIDEO CARD: EVGA nVidia GeForce 9800GT 1 GB
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001OV7MIC/?tag=neogaf0e-20
MEMORY: CORSAIR XMS3 DHX 4GB ( 2 X 2GB ) x2 (Total 8 gig)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0014BOQ54/?tag=neogaf0e-20
HARD DRIVE: Western Digital 1 TB
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002U1N95K/?tag=neogaf0e-20
POWER SUPPY: Corsair CMPSU-750TX 750-Watt:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000X2677A/?tag=neogaf0e-20
CASE FAN:Cooler Master 120mm Silent Case Fan
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000O8I474/?tag=neogaf0e-20
DISK DRIVE: LG Electronics SATA Super Multi DVD+/-RW Internal Drive
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002C9K3UO/?tag=neogaf0e-20
CPU COOLER: Corsair Cooling Hydro Series H50
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002QG2H7K/?tag=neogaf0e-20
These are the part, would this make a decent gaming computer?
CASE: Cooler Master Mid Tower Case
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XIST1Y/?tag=neogaf0e-20
PROCESSOR: Intel Core i7 860 2.8 GHz
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002KQ5KE8/?tag=neogaf0e-20
MOTHER BOARD: Intel Core i7/i5 LGA1156
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002XDQC4K/?tag=neogaf0e-20
VIDEO CARD: EVGA nVidia GeForce 9800GT 1 GB
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001OV7MIC/?tag=neogaf0e-20
MEMORY: CORSAIR XMS3 DHX 4GB ( 2 X 2GB ) x2 (Total 8 gig)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0014BOQ54/?tag=neogaf0e-20
HARD DRIVE: Western Digital 1 TB
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002U1N95K/?tag=neogaf0e-20
POWER SUPPY: Corsair CMPSU-750TX 750-Watt:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000X2677A/?tag=neogaf0e-20
CASE FAN:Cooler Master 120mm Silent Case Fan
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000O8I474/?tag=neogaf0e-20
DISK DRIVE: LG Electronics SATA Super Multi DVD+/-RW Internal Drive
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002C9K3UO/?tag=neogaf0e-20
CPU COOLER: Corsair Cooling Hydro Series H50
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002QG2H7K/?tag=neogaf0e-20
MomoPufflet
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In general are SATA II motherboard connectors backwards compatible with SATA I HDDs?
Looking at my MoBo's PDF manual online I don't see an answer to this, just that it has 6x SATA II connectors.
Looking at my MoBo's PDF manual online I don't see an answer to this, just that it has 6x SATA II connectors.
Hawk269
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Corky said:
Coryky, did you actually play the demo though? In the benchmark, I was getting what you were getting with Vsync on, but when playing the game it was amazing and felt like it was 60fps, no tearing or anything.
I am SLI as well and I tested the Mafia 2 benchmark every way I can. With a SLI, no physics, I get around 98 fPS with Vsync off...I get around 65 or so with no vsync/no physics. I then dedicated one card to physx, had vysnc on, high physics and was getting around 38 or so in the benchmark. However, I decided to play the demo at this point and what seemed decent in the benchmark was amazing when playing the game.
I think I was at the point where I was letting benchmarks tell me how good the game would be when actually playing and yeah, the human eye at times cant tell between 60 and 50fps, to me though it played incredible and just let it be.
BTW..it stutters at the beginning for everyone..I heard if you do 2-3 back to back benchmarks it speeds up because when you do just one it is still loading stuff into memory when it starts.
Just my 2 cents man.
Hawk269
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Salaadin said:Its the best thread on neogaf. Theres a decent bunch of guys in this thread who just help people and ask for nothing in return. Youre right. It makes me like people
I got my Scythe Mugen 2 and holesaw in today. Time to cut up the Antec 900 this weekend and get those wires managed, get the new cooler and there, and OC my i5 750. This is exciting.
I agree. I think what makes this thread good is the tolerance of some of the more senior/tech savvy folks. I am noob when it comes to building a rig and knowing what works and what I should be getting performance wise...alot of folks here have been helpful.
I know us noobs can get annoying, but alot of the folks here have been pretty patient and give good advice.
So....should I stick wiht my dual 460's or just get a single 480? That is my latest and hopefully last decision I need to make. I just want max performance at 1080p.
SapientWolf
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No, it's really straightforward. You probably need SLI or CFX to run DOF in DX11 (SM5). MSAA is too costly for either solution so you'll have to use AAA in Metro 2033 to improve your IQ.itxaka said:
Flying_Phoenix
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brain_stew said:
Thank you so much.
You too Zakari for the thought.
If you have the time, could you please tell me how much worse does it compare? Like not close to it or not even remotely in the same league?
brain_stew
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MyOtherBike said:
My advice is what it always is, if you're currently happy with your performance, then don't upgrade.
Its unlikely that we'll see a reveloutionary product launched from Nvidia before March '11 but they could refresh their cards with a "full fat" GF100 taking over as their premier GPU in that sort of timeframe.