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"I need a new PC!" 2010 Edition

MomoPufflet said:
When I try to play Crysis in fullscreen 1080p on my new PC (Steam version) the image is all shaky and there are weird red lines/bars flickering everywhere. I have the latest GTX460 drivers and the latest directx-- what could be causing this? It only applies to fullscreen apparently-- the game looks normal windowed.

-Core i5 750
-G.skill 4GB DDR3
-Gigabyte GTX460
-EVGA P55 FTW 200 MoBo
-Windows 7 Ultimate x64

I have that occur on my TV actually. Running 1080 on my 24" works just fine, but when I run it on my 32" tv, I get that shaky image bullshit occurring. It doesn't bother me much as I just throw it down to 720 for watching Seinfeld as I work. I can't say I can offer any help either than you throwing it down to 720 to possibly resolve the issue so you can further investigate into the issue without the shakes.
 
Kyzer said:
Hey, GAF. I'm looking to build my own PC for the first time, and I was curious about a couple things.

1) How does CrossfireX or whatever work exactly? Is it worth it? Like could I get 2 5750s and use them together? Or should I just get a higher end card?

2) What is the difference between the Radeon 5750 and 5770?

3) How do I know how powerful of a PSU I'll need?

4) Got any tips I should know?

5) Are sound cards obsolete now or what? Cuz I see the graphics card supports surround sound and uses HDMI?

Nvm about the PSU, I guess they sort of tell you.
 
So, I had a 7600GT card that must have been fried because of those faulty drivers from Nvidia that I upgraded to earlier in the year. I purchased a BFG Tech GT220 card at the tail end of March so I could play the SC2 beta, and it too started overheating the week before StarCraft 2 was set to release.

I called up BFG and asked for an RMA when I was told that it could take more than a month to get my card back. I cannot stay without a computer for over a month, so I purchased a Radeon 4350 1GB DDR2 card, and promptly returned it.

After following this thread, I got a little cocky, and decided to purchase some Cooler Master thermal paste and try to fix the problem. I know the fan makes a grinding noise, but it does seem to cool down the GPU when doing basic functions like surfing, watching a video, email, and word processing/spreadsheet. It overheats whenever I try to play StarCraft 2.

I took off the fan, cleaned off the old paste with some Alcohol, and applied the new thermal paste. Now, instead of running at the 70-80 degree mark during regular usage, it is down to the 50-60 range. When it gets to about 62-68 range, the fan kicks in and brings it back down. I've tried running SC2 and it does get up to 90-95 range at times, but the fan does kick in now and brings it down to the 70 degree range again.

All I want is to be able to get through the single player campaign for SC2. I was going to build a new PC, but after seeing that I might get through SC2, I've decided to wait. Hope it works out.
 
Here we go, ready to pull the trigger on my first build:

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A few questions:

1. Are all the parts compatible?

2. Can someone recommend a PSU?

3. This setup will pretty much max out any current game, yes?


Much Thanks!
 
I'm not that knowledgeable, but isn't the upgrade path for the 1156 motherboard pretty much dead? Why not go for the 1366 and i7-930? Then, in a couple of years, you can upgrade the processor to the 980x when it drops in price.

For a PSU, I would go with a Corsair 650 or 750 TX.
 
Really noob question coming up:

Just put all the parts in my new comp, but now it won't boot. I'm thinking it has something to do with the tiny connectors for like the chassis power switch or something.

I got the psu hooked to all the components and the mobo, but am pulling my hair out trying to think why it won't start...
 
Unicorn said:
Really noob question coming up:

Just put all the parts in my new comp, but now it won't boot. I'm thinking it has something to do with the tiny connectors for like the chassis power switch or something.

I got the psu hooked to all the components and the mobo, but am pulling my hair out trying to think why it won't start...

Doesn't it boot or doesn't it turn on at all?
 
Vigilant Walrus said:
I have around 2000, bucks, give or take, and I need to get some good components and dual monitors. I would love to try and get two 27'' as 24'' feels to small to me. I need a lot of desktop space! 2000 bucks might not cut it though.

Anyway, any suggestions to what to get would be nice! A SSD 80 GB for windows install, + a couple of western digital 1 TB Hard drives, a blu-ray drive, a capable PSU, some good fans, and just the best CPU and GPU I could afford. I have no preferences in ATI/Nvidia.. I have never owned a ATI card!
~$1,400 for the PC then.

This is still a general solid guide for many:

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Swap in a 750W Corsair, BD drive, C300 SSD, Noctua fans

GPU your choices are 5970/GTX480 mainly for your budget. Should be right around $1,400.
squicken said:
Going to start ordering parts next week, and right now am really just investigating. Budget needs to stay below $900 including the operating sytem I'll need to buy.

Which seems to point to a micro ITX case. It's not so much the price of those that bugs me, but the fact that I also want to put an i7 in there. Can a regular case lay down? Wouldn't that orientation screw up air flow and the DVD drive?
Computers can be run sideways fine tmk. Why i7 over i5? i5 much more value oriented and offers nearly the same performance. Not positive on the DVD drive (you can always get an external).

As for those smaller cases I can't help you out much, but you have a lot more options than you probably think. Some other posters here do that kind of stuff, maybe ask a HTPC forum or something similar.
Kyzer said:
Hey, GAF. I'm looking to build my own PC for the first time, and I was curious about a couple things.

1) How does CrossfireX or whatever work exactly? Is it worth it? Like could I get 2 5750s and use them together? Or should I just get a higher end card?
2) What is the difference between the Radeon 5750 and 5770?
3) How do I know how powerful of a PSU I'll need?
4) Got any tips I should know?
5) Are sound cards obsolete now or what? Cuz I see the graphics card supports surround sound and uses HDMI?
2 cards working together.
A decent margin
400W for a modest setup, 500W for a slightly more powerful, 650W+ if you want 2 GPU's (Not lower end)
Triple check your connections and read your manual
Sounds cards are still good, but onboard sound has come a long way and for many it is a non issue.
Ermac said:
Here we go, ready to pull the trigger on my first build:

331hbvn.png



1. Are all the parts compatible?
2. Can someone recommend a PSU?
3. This setup will pretty much max out any current game, yes?!
Yes
Corsair 550W (650/750 if plan on SLi later)
Yes

Try to combo your Mobo and CPU, PSU and HDD, RAM and HDD, etc. Save you $30-$60.
Swap the HDD to a Samsung F3 1TB. ewiz has them for $65 shipped. Faster and cheaper.
Spike said:
I'm not that knowledgeable, but isn't the upgrade path for the 1156 motherboard pretty much dead? Why not go for the 1366 and i7-930? Then, in a couple of years, you can upgrade the processor to the 980x when it drops in price.
Both are dead. Upgrading to a 980X (just because it is 6 core) and expecting it to come down from $980 to something like $300 later is unreasonable and not something to plan on. Besides new sockets and CPU's will be out offering better performance per dollar.
 
Mad Max said:
Doesn't it boot or doesn't it turn on at all?
Doesn't boot at all, don't hear any beeps or any fans turn on even though they're plugged in. There's an LED on the mobo that lights up, telling me it has power running to it. Tried flipping the power switch connector, hoping I had it in backwrds, but no luck.
 
Mad Max said:
Get a better GPU, like a 5850 or higher.
$60 more for not much better performance after OC.
The 460 is a great buy at it's price.
Unicorn said:
Really noob question coming up:

Just put all the parts in my new comp, but now it won't boot. I'm thinking it has something to do with the tiny connectors for like the chassis power switch or something.

I got the psu hooked to all the components and the mobo, but am pulling my hair out trying to think why it won't start...
Triple check all your connections.
Open your motherboard manual and look at the mobo connectors.

I have a damn list I made somewhere...
Usual suspects:
Mobo 4/8 pin power near CPU socket
RAM not in correct starting slots
Something is not secure
Something under mobo shorting something
Didn't use standoffs before mounting motherboard
CPU fan not in
Might need a KeyBoard plugged in
Also try resetting the BIOS (check mobo manual) then turning off the PC (and unplug), hold the power button, replug, then turn on.

Clearing the bios and power cycling solves a ton of problems.
 
Unicorn said:
Really noob question coming up:

Just put all the parts in my new comp, but now it won't boot. I'm thinking it has something to do with the tiny connectors for like the chassis power switch or something.

I got the psu hooked to all the components and the mobo, but am pulling my hair out trying to think why it won't start...
Have you hooked up the front panel connectors to the motherboard.
 
Tensai said:
Have you hooked up the front panel connectors to the motherboard.
Yeah those are the connectors I'm talking about. I've been reading and re-reading the manuals for my mobo and psu for the past 2 hours. Got the standoffs in, got every wire hooked and secure. I'm almost positive its something with the chassis connectors, but I dunno what. Those always give me trouble.
 
Unicorn said:
Yeah those are the connectors I'm talking about. I've been reading and re-reading the manuals for my mobo and psu for the past 2 hours. Got the standoffs in, got every wire hooked and secure. I'm almost positive its something with the chassis connectors, but I dunno what. Those always give me trouble.
Use something metal to connect the 2 power pins if you think the case button might not be hooked up right (like a screw driver).
 
Hazaro said:
Computers can be run sideways fine tmk. Why i7 over i5? i5 much more value oriented and offers nearly the same performance. Not positive on the DVD drive (you can always get an external).

As for those smaller cases I can't help you out much, but you have a lot more options than you probably think. Some other posters here do that kind of stuff, maybe ask a HTPC forum or something similar.

Thanks for the response. I've read conflicting info on the tower layed flat. Didn't know that about i5. Briefly browsing anand and ars didn't really yield much on recent buying guides.
 
Hazaro said:
Both are dead. Upgrading to a 980X (just because it is 6 core) and expecting it to come down from $980 to something like $300 later is unreasonable and not something to plan on. Besides new sockets and CPU's will be out offering better performance per dollar.

See, I told you I wasn't that knowledgeable. :)
 
Hazaro said:
$60 more for not much better performance after OC.
The 460 is a great buy at it's price.

Didn't know the difference was that big in the US.

Unicorn said:
Doesn't boot at all, don't hear any beeps or any fans turn on even though they're plugged in. There's an LED on the mobo that lights up, telling me it has power running to it. Tried flipping the power switch connector, hoping I had it in backwrds, but no luck.

You could try connecting the two points with a screw driver, maybe your powerbutton is broken. (very unlikely but still edit: I see hazaro already said this) Also try to disconnect anything you don't need to boot from your mobo/PSU: so HDD, DVD drive, casefans, and leds you don't need right now.
 
squicken said:
Thanks for the response. I've read conflicting info on the tower layed flat. Didn't know that about i5. Briefly browsing anand and ars didn't really yield much on recent buying guides.
If you want a smaller system there are a lot of options as I said. I'm not completely sure on a sideways computer (all that would really matter are sideways HDD's (think it's ok) and sideways DVD. Since stuff like the mobo, HS, GPU would actually be parallel to the floor if it was on its side.
Mad Max said:
Didn't know the difference was that big in the US.
There was a period where some 5850's had some nice rebates, but the 5830 is more in competition with the 460 than the 5850 is. Either way I'd get the 460.
 
Well I put together the computer yesterday and I've been playing and testing it the whole night yesterday and today. Just played Metro 2033 and what a beautiful game :D I have vsync and triple buffering on via D3DOverrider and it works like a charm. Mind you I've never played a game with vsync before, I've been a console gamer for like well since the xbox 1 came.

Anyway I'm using RealTemp to monitor the temps and it seems that the highest the cores have been at is 46 degrees celcius. It's a i5-760 with Hyper 212+ and only one case fan so that's pretty ok isn't it?
 
rogue74 said:
The only thing I noticed in real world use is that Stalker (with complete 2009 mod) started displaying major artifacts immediately on startup and freezing. After that I noticed some artifacts video/corruption in Windows desktop. GPU then gave me all sorts of errors/artifacts in OCCT, Furmark and ATI Tool.

Other than that, nothing in day to day use. Never had a BSOD. Windows has never crashed. Only other program that crashed once was Firefox near the end of a long download. But Firefox has crashed on me in multiple machines so I didn't worry.

I only noticed memory errors because I just decided to check the memory on a hunch before sending in the GPU. I don't know if I really have bad RAM or what. I might just bite the bullet and send in both the RAM and the GPU.

By the way, the OCCT CPU test gave me an error on core 2. However, if you recall, I had messed with the voltages because I thought the Auto setting in the BIOS was off. Well, I went back and set the voltage to what it was at (not at Auto but at what Auto was setting it to). OCCT CPU errors disappeared. Thank God. If my CPU had shown signs of failing as well I would have just walked outside to my yard and waited for the locusts to overwhelm me.

Moral of the story, careful with voltages. They can have a big impact. Also, don't introduce new variables when you are trying to troubleshoot a problem.


Ok man, thanks, I'm really bummed out about this whole ordeal atm. I mean I do use auto-voltages but whenever I try to use recommended voltage for my ram the pc wont start.

I'm really hoping that the psu is the last piece of the puzzle. I'm hoping my cpu is good and that my mobo is good. I also hope hope hope like mad crazy that my new 460 gtx hasn't been killed my the other components in the pc.
 
rossonero said:
Well I put together the computer yesterday and I've been playing and testing it the whole night yesterday and today. Just played Metro 2033 and what a beautiful game :D I have vsync and triple buffering on via D3DOverrider and it works like a charm. Mind you I've never played a game with vsync before, I've been a console gamer for like well since the xbox 1 came.

Anyway I'm using RealTemp to monitor the temps and it seems that the highest the cores have been at is 46 degrees celcius. It's a i5-760 with Hyper 212+ and only one case fan so that's pretty ok isn't it?
Plenty of console games have vsync, the chances of you never playing a game with it on are highly unlikely.
 
Tensai said:
Plenty of console games have vsync, the chances of you never playing a game with it on are highly unlikely.

Yeah you're right, but maybe it's the vsync+triple buffering+almost constant 60fps+the high quality settings that is making the huge difference :D
 
rossonero said:
Yeah you're right, but maybe it's the vsync+triple buffering+almost constant 60fps+the high quality settings that is making the huge difference :D

btw, shot in the dark here but did you by any chance order your parts from Komplett? Also what pc did you end up with given your 9000sek budget? iirc..
 
Corky said:
btw, shot in the dark here but did you by any chance order your parts from Komplett? Also what pc did you end up with given your 9000sek budget? iirc..

No I ordered from Inet, hur så?

I got a i5-760, Gigabyte GTX 460 OC, Gigabyte P55A-UD3, Samsung F3 1 TB, 4GB Corsair XMS3, Fractal R2, Fractal Tesla 550W and a Hyper 212+. It ended up being around 8800 SEK and free shipment :D

BTW guys I don't remember if I saw it here the first time or somewhere else, but the site http://www.ninite.com is really great if you got a freshly formated HDD. You can choose there which programs you want and it makes an installer for you that downloads and installs all the programs you've chosen. It worked really great.
 
rossonero said:
No I ordered from Inet, hur så?

I got a i5-760, Gigabyte GTX 460 OC, Gigabyte P55A-UD3, Samsung F3 1 TB, 4GB Corsair XMS3, Fractal R2, Fractal Tesla 550W and a Hyper 212+. It ended up being around 8800 SEK and free shipment :D

BTW guys I don't remember if I saw it here the first time or somewhere else, but the site http://www.ninite.com is really great if you got a freshly formated HDD. You can choose there which programs you want and it makes an installer for you that downloads and installs all the programs you've chosen. It worked really great.

Nah just wondering you know, my stuff was bought from komplett and I'm having soo much trouble with them atm.

Ah very nice pc :)
 
Hazaro - Thanks for the suggestion. I think I am scared of trying AMD. I have never owned anything other than Intel. I actually think Intel's heavy promotions throughout the years when you start up games, have made me scared to try AMD!



Something else:
Guys I figured this would be a good place to ask.
Resolution. There seems to be a gap here, between 1920x1280 and up the resolution ladder all the way to 2560x1200!
The hardcore games like Crysis and GTA4 obviously won't run at 2560x, but older games - games like WoW, Guild Wars, perhaps even Oblivion, might run at those resolutions, and I wonder how kick ass they would look.
But some people say that running games out of native, which would mean lower resolution for demanding games like Crysis and such... would look worse, just because they dont run native screen resolution of 2560x?

I can't even find any good gaming monitors at 27'', 28'' or 30'' that would be suited for gaming. They either have a high MS or cost an insane amount.
I've been using 1920x1280 for the last three years on a 24'' and I was hoping to bump it up. Is PC gaming basically stuck with 1920x resolution for now?
Or is there wonders to be had on a 2560 display?
The beautiful Samsung T30 seems to be out of business now... It was a hardcore professional 30'' monitor. But apparently according to many user reviews, it had a short life span and high failure rate.

Right now, my only chance of a 2560x1440 display on a 27'' is a Imac, clocking at around 2 Grand - But the machines very very tight aluminium body only allows it to have a 5870 mobile ATI card which is used in laptops. People can get around 13000 points in 3dmark 06, if configured with an i7!


So it seems that I at a crossroad. Playing games like Left 4 Dead, COD4, Mass Effect and such at 2560x1440, sounds epic hot to me, and if I cant get it on a comparable PC monitor... It seems I loose either way unless I go 1920x1080. But maybe that really is the best for gaming at this point? Is this where PC gaming is at?

I thought about dabbling in TWO monitors - both at 1920x1080 - On a 24'' or 27'' that would give more screen estate but how many games really take advantage of dual screens? I can think of Supreme Commander, but not much else.
 
gaf i need a good monitor
for gaming has to be 24 inch or 23
good colors and stuff, my budget is 240 euro
so about 340 dollars i guess.
 
Vigilant Walrus said:
Hazaro - Thanks for the suggestion. I think I am scared of trying AMD. I have never owned anything other than Intel. I actually think Intel's heavy promotions throughout the years when you start up games, have made me scared to try AMD!



Something else:
Guys I figured this would be a good place to ask.
Resolution. There seems to be a gap here, between 1920x1280 and up the resolution ladder all the way to 2560x1200!
The hardcore games like Crysis and GTA4 obviously won't run at 2560x, but older games - games like WoW, Guild Wars, perhaps even Oblivion, might run at those resolutions, and I wonder how kick ass they would look.
But some people say that running games out of native, which would mean lower resolution for demanding games like Crysis and such... would look worse, just because they dont run native screen resolution of 2560x?

I can't even find any good gaming monitors at 27'', 28'' or 30'' that would be suited for gaming. They either have a high MS or cost an insane amount.
I've been using 1920x1280 for the last three years on a 24'' and I was hoping to bump it up. Is PC gaming basically stuck with 1920x resolution for now?
Or is there wonders to be had on a 2560 display?
The beautiful Samsung T30 seems to be out of business now... It was a hardcore professional 30'' monitor. But apparently according to many user reviews, it had a short life span and high failure rate.

Right now, my only chance of a 2560x1440 display on a 27'' is a Imac, clocking at around 2 Grand - But the machines very very tight aluminium body only allows it to have a 5870 mobile ATI card which is used in laptops. People can get around 13000 points in 3dmark 06, if configured with an i7!


So it seems that I at a crossroad. Playing games like Left 4 Dead, COD4, Mass Effect and such at 2560x1440, sounds epic hot to me, and if I cant get it on a comparable PC monitor... It seems I loose either way unless I go 1920x1080. But maybe that really is the best for gaming at this point? Is this where PC gaming is at?

I thought about dabbling in TWO monitors - both at 1920x1080 - On a 24'' or 27'' that would give more screen estate but how many games really take advantage of dual screens? I can think of Supreme Commander, but not much else.


Dell sell a 2560x1440 monitor with the same IPS panel used in the iMac. Costs a grand though:

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd&sku=224-8284&redirect=1

Using non-native resolutions isn't quite such a big deal these days so long as you enable your GPU's (very decent) built in hardware scaling or use a HDTV with a decent scaler. Even 720p looks fantastic on my set because of the excelelnt scaler included. Obviously you want to stay far, far away from the monitor's internal processing and only ever want to feed that thing 2560x1440 content but so long as you enable GPU scaling 1080p should look pretty damn fantastic. Not as good as 1080p on a native display sure but not a million miles away either. I doubt you'd be disappointed.

The GPU in the iMac is terrible compared to desktop cards and won't play anything more taxing than Half Life 2 at native resolution. Don't buy one for gaming. If you're a resolution whore that Dell monitor is pretty damn appealing and SLI GTX 470s can be had for quite cheap (less than $600 with a Steam copy of Mafia 2 to keep and one to sell) and should do a very decent job of feeding it.

I certainly wouldn't step up to that resolution if you're using anything less than a GTX 470. Note that I'm not recommending a standard 5870 or 5970 here because a 1GB framebuffer really isn't enough for this resolution. You're going to want more than 1GB of VRAM if you want this setup to last, so SLI GTX 460s are out as well.

I'd say 1080 is starting to become the "standard" PC gaming resolution (and resolution for everything infact), yes. Its by far the fastest growing resolution in Steam's stats and since so many PC gamers are now hooking up their PCs to their HDTV (why aren't you!?) its an obvious choice. Most single card setups run modern PC games fantastically at that resolution and it provides great image quality without an disproportionate decrease in performance. Its right at the peak of price/performance/quality after which you start seeing diminishing returns.
 
rossonero said:
Have you tried contacting them via their thread in the Sweclockers forum?

Komplett.se hos Sweclockers

I mean it's likely that you'll get more help if you complain in the open so to say. It seems like they are very helpful in that thread anyway.

thanks alot man, will definitely check that out.
 
Mad Max said:
http://www.pcbuyit.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=331

Is pretty good, and although I'm not sure it's still the best in it's class (I bought one 1,5 years ago) it's certainly better than 95% of all other monitors out there.

(http://www.pcbuyit.co.uk/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=&products_id=1154) is also pretty good.

brilliant, thank you so much.
I knew I should've gotten a dell.

still it's 6ms response time vs the 2ms I have now... is that bad? as in, significantly worse?
(also, it's a tad ugly :x)
 
mescalineeyes said:
brilliant, thank you so much.
I knew I should've gotten a dell.

still it's 6ms response time vs the 2ms I have now... is that bad? as in, significantly worse?
(also, it's a tad ugly :x)

120hz input is the only thing that will significantly improve the motion resolution on a modern LCD panel. The difference between 2ms and 8ms isn't something many would notice at 60hz and the 2ms panel is very likely to have overdrive artefacts which can often look worse than the trailing you get from a "low" response rate anyway.


Get the IPS panel. (Or an S-PVA based HDTV).
 
Tensai said:
Guys how do you enable GPU scaling on an nvidia card.

You'll need to be connected via DVI or displayport first of all, its possible via HDMI but its a complete clusterfuck to setup (took me hours of searching, tweaking, registry editing and driver rollbacks when I tried it, never again!!) and HDTVs often have decent scalers anyway.

It should be under the "adjust desktop size and position" tab in the control panel, although Nvidia are often hell bent on breaking it in a new way with every other driver update for some setups. Heaven knows why, they spend part of their silicon budget in every GPU they build on this dedicated hardware and yet their driver team seem to hate supporting it, makes no sense at all.

It should work easily and pretty much accross the board on ATI hardware though regardless of what connection you use, like it should be on Nvidia hardware. Just first adjust to the non-native resolution you plan to use it with (probably 720p, I'd guess?) and it should be straightforward from there. Someone with an ATI card should be able to give more assistance.
 
Omiee said:
gaf i need a good monitor
for gaming has to be 24 inch or 23
good colors and stuff, my budget is 240 euro
so about 340 dollars i guess.

A 23" 1080p IPS panel fits the bill. Viewsonic, NEC and Dell all have models matching that criteria.
 
mescalineeyes said:
I am going to write this on a piece of paper and take it to my local Saturn. Thanks, brain_stew :)

These three models specifically (they may be names slightly differently in continental Europe, I'm unsure):

http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/viewsonic-outs-23-inch-vp2365wb-and-26-inch-vp2655wb-ips-lcd-mon/

http://www.desktopreview.com/default.asp?newsID=749

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&cs=19&sku=320-9270

They all support TATE mode as well! :D
 
mescalineeyes said:
brilliant, thank you so much.
I knew I should've gotten a dell.

still it's 6ms response time vs the 2ms I have now... is that bad? as in, significantly worse?
(also, it's a tad ugly :x)

2ms on a TN panel is only slightly better than 6ms on a IPS panel, you probably won't see a difference, since it's mostly caused by the difference between the methods they use to mesure it.

And I agree that maybe it looks a bit bland, but it is built very solid and it looks better in person.
 
My Dell came in today! :D

Dell is so fast at building these, and even with 7 day shipping it showed up in 3 thanks to Fed Ex being god like.

I'm using my HDTV for my monitor through a HDMI cord. It looks good, but not as sharp as I thought it'd be. Is there a recommended resolution for a 32 inch HDTV? My TV automatically detects stuff when you turn it on, so the second I booted up the PC it turned itself on, put it on HDMI 1 channel, and seemed to put it at a good resolution, but I'm just not sure if it's the best.

Also, shout outs to all the people who helped me pick this desktop out. brainstew needs to be hired by someone seriously. The amount of money and knowledge he gives out for free on a daily basis is nothing short of amazing.
 
So I've just built a new PC. No pics as I can't do cable management at all so it looks disgusting.

Processor - i5 750 @ 2.67GHz
RAM - 2GB (Soon to be 4GB when I earn some money)
GPU - HD 2400 Pro (Soon to be something a little decent when I get some cash)
Hard Drives from old machine.

It's pretty quick for what I do, don't do heavy gaming any more so just light gaming here and now. Does me for what I need.

Was interested at getting a new mouse. I have a G15 Keyboard which I love, wish I had gone down the Razer route though. For mouse, I am pretty much just looking for suggestions. I wouldn't mind a Bluetooth mouse, prefer wired if it looks nice.

Price maximum of £50

Thanks!
 
Disconnected everything, but the two power chords to the mobo, the ram, and usb connectors. Tried the screwdriver trick... and nothing..
 
brain_stew said:
Dell sell a 2560x1440 monitor with the same IPS panel used in the iMac. Costs a grand though:

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd&sku=224-8284&redirect=1

Using non-native resolutions isn't quite such a big deal these days so long as you enable your GPU's (very decent) built in hardware scaling or use a HDTV with a decent scaler. Even 720p looks fantastic on my set because of the excelelnt scaler included. Obviously you want to stay far, far away from the monitor's internal processing and only ever want to feed that thing 2560x1440 content but so long as you enable GPU scaling 1080p should look pretty damn fantastic. Not as good as 1080p on a native display sure but not a million miles away either. I doubt you'd be disappointed.

The GPU in the iMac is terrible compared to desktop cards and won't play anything more taxing than Half Life 2 at native resolution. Don't buy one for gaming. If you're a resolution whore that Dell monitor is pretty damn appealing and SLI GTX 470s can be had for quite cheap (less than $600 with a Steam copy of Mafia 2 to keep and one to sell) and should do a very decent job of feeding it.

I certainly wouldn't step up to that resolution if you're using anything less than a GTX 470. Note that I'm not recommending a standard 5870 or 5970 here because a 1GB framebuffer really isn't enough for this resolution. You're going to want more than 1GB of VRAM if you want this setup to last, so SLI GTX 460s are out as well.

I'd say 1080 is starting to become the "standard" PC gaming resolution (and resolution for everything infact), yes. Its by far the fastest growing resolution in Steam's stats and since so many PC gamers are now hooking up their PCs to their HDTV (why aren't you!?) its an obvious choice. Most single card setups run modern PC games fantastically at that resolution and it provides great image quality without an disproportionate decrease in performance. Its right at the peak of price/performance/quality after which you start seeing diminishing returns.


Ok, brain, nice info. I didn't know about the hardware scaling.


I really have to think this through. The display you posted is really, really nice. I wonder why on earth it does now show up everywhere on newegg and other places! I could see myself trying to get 2 of those Dell 27''s down the road if I went with a custom rig PC.

The Imac still really speaks to me though. I saw people running MW2 and L4D2 on youtube with everything cranked to the highest at 2560x1440, but still, 2,800 dollars is a lot and I want to use it for a long time, so it really might be outdated relatively soon.
The all-in-one solution is just so appealing, instead of giant ass desktop in my face. I need to use it for video editing and processing, and I spent over a grand on the complete Adobe Package CS5 for Mac only, so I am a bit sad that I cant use it, but my I know people who might wanna buy it, so it's not the end of the world.

The way I understand it, the card in the Imac(5750m) is a down clocked version of the 5770, which I have heard - Is the fastest 128-Bus card from ATI. The way I understand it, it's this 128 Bus that limits the card. It has the power, but not the bus to really shine through and that will be a problem.

FFXIV, Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect 3, Guild Wars 2. I guess I can write those games off being able to run off well, at 2560x1440?
When I purchased my Imac in 08 with a 8800 GS, it was Crysis on low/medium, but it was still okay in CPU using games. Total War ran pretty good I thought.
The thing is that gaming is like 50% of it for me - The other 50% is important work stuff. I'm a big Windows 7 fan as well, so it's not that.

Shit, I'm still a bit lost, but thanks Brain. I have some more to think about now.
The lack of graphics gaming benchmark on the new Imac is probably a bad omen, hehe!
 
zlatko said:
My Dell came in today! :D

Dell is so fast at building these, and even with 7 day shipping it showed up in 3 thanks to Fed Ex being god like.

I'm using my HDTV for my monitor through a HDMI cord. It looks good, but not as sharp as I thought it'd be. Is there a recommended resolution for a 32 inch HDTV? My TV automatically detects stuff when you turn it on, so the second I booted up the PC it turned itself on, put it on HDMI 1 channel, and seemed to put it at a good resolution, but I'm just not sure if it's the best.

Also, shout outs to all the people who helped me pick this desktop out. brainstew needs to be hired by someone seriously. The amount of money and knowledge he gives out for free on a daily basis is nothing short of amazing.
Does your TV have a dedicated PC HDMI slot? On my Samsung HDMI 2 is where you're supposed to connect PCs. For resolution choose 1360x768 for a 720p TV and 1920x1080 for a 1080p TV.
 
So I came across 3 things now with the new PC maybe someone can shed some light on.

1) When I play starcraft 2 the full HDTV is not used for the game. It fills most of the screen, but there is about an inch around the whole box used for the game that is just black...actually looks more green sometimes than black. Is there a way to make it fill the full thing? I tried to mess around with the options in game, but it's already set to the max it seems, so I'm confused. The actual desktop for the computer on the TV fills up the whole screen, so no issues there.

2) I wanted to update my drivers for the card in this dell, but I'm lost as crap. When you do it for Nvidia it automatically will detect the card you have and just hold your hand through the process. :D However, this is my first computer with an ATI card. I went to their site to do it, and look at the tutorial video at the bottom, but I'm still stumped on wtf I put in the categories. Here's a link to the site:

http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx

I think the tabs should read:
Desktop Graphics
Radeon HD series
Radeon HD 5xxx PCIe
Windows 7 64 bit

I'm not 100% sure though and google didn't help me find a way to be. I got the top end Dell XPS 7100 series pre built machines.

3) My internet connection in the lower right reads 3 bars instead of a full 5. I have the modem/router like a foot away from the PC and it's wired of course. The internet is going smooth and fast, and I tried resetting my modem and router, but it's still at 3. Any tips here on how to get it to go to 5?
 
Vigilant Walrus said:
The Imac still really speaks to me though. I saw people running MW2 and L4D2 on youtube with everything cranked to the highest at 2560x1440, but still, 2,800 dollars is a lot and I want to use it for a long time, so it really might be outdated relatively soon.

mw2 and source games tend to be very gpu light. bring something like crysis or metro 2033 to that party and there'd soon be a pool of glossy white tears collecting at your feet.

in the near future, someone, somewhere will tell you the current line of imacs are a good deal for gaming. i'm telling you, as a friend, to ignore this person. even if that means you go and buy a 360 instead - as against my philosophy as that is. i'd rather you made a $200 mistake than a $2000 one.
 
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