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"I need a new PC!" 2010 Edition

Is Civ 5 ridiculously graphically intensive? I can't even run something on high! I just built this computer yesterday. I have an i5 760 and a gtx460 but its still really laggy. Whats the deal?

Edit:For some reason now, its super smooth. :lol
 
rexor0717 said:
Is Civ 5 ridiculously graphically intensive? I can't even run something on high! I just built this computer yesterday. I have an i5 760 and a gtx460 but its still really laggy. Whats the deal?

Edit:For some reason now, its super smooth. :lol
Did you uncheck "Complaining won't make it better" in options?
 
Kaako said:
Sold my recently bought XPS 8100 for a profit and NOW comes the fun part. Shopping for parts for a kick ass rig as I type. For CPU I'm going with the i7-950 and want to overclock it like crazy w/out needing to go liquid cooling.

Can I push it to 4-4.3GHz with good fan?
Easy.
Soulstar said:
Looking at a getting a new mobo and cpu and I stumbled on this combo

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.492250

It's an i5-760 and Gigabyte GA-P55-USB3 for $294 plus a 10% discount on top of that for the mobo.

What does PC-GAF think?
Looks nice, just know that the mobo does not have SATA 6gbps on it. So if you get an SSD later you might not be getting all you can out of it for read speed.
Kaako said:
ZOTAC GeForce GTX 465 1GB GDDR5 PCI Express Video Card $157 AR
Use 10% off w/ promo code Neggvga10. Code ends today.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...lickDeals-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA&Item=N82E16814500163

Also get Mafia II PC Game coupon with it as well.
Personally I've never had a product from Zotac so can't comment on the reliability but for that price, this is pretty good no?
You gotta PM me each time a deal comes up :lol
 
Hazaro said:
Looks nice, just know that the mobo does not have SATA 6gbps on it. So if you get an SSD later you might not be getting all you can out of it for read speed.
Thanks for the info.

I was wondering what I would lose for the SATA 6gbps... I don't really think I will be able to justify buying an SSD anytime soon so I think I will be okay. Definitely going to think about it for a bit before biting.
 
Hazaro said:
Easy.

Looks nice, just know that the mobo does not have SATA 6gbps on it. So if you get an SSD later you might not be getting all you can out of it for read speed.

You gotta PM me each time a deal comes up :lol
Woohoo! For real? I was gonna go with this just to be safe:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608018

Cause wanna overclock the hell out of it but do you think that's overkill?

Another option would be the Hydro: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181010

Edit: Also going with a HAF 932 case.

MSI Big Bang Motherboard.
Corsair 950TX. Contemplating if I should go with the 1000w cause the mobo has 2 8-pin cpu connectors that only the 1000w+ have. Then again, don't know if I really need it. Should be fine with one for 4GHz OC right?
 
I've already posted this in the OT but I figure there might be some people here who could help me as well =)

I bought my current laptop in June '09, It came with Vista HP x64 FR pre-installed, and a "Recovery DVD-ROM" with 11 "supported languages", including English, that "may only be used for backup and recovery of [my] computer system."

When October and W7 rolled around, I received a W7 HP x64 FR upgrade DVD, and then last June I got a W7 Pro x64 FR upgrade DVD (free through my school).

Unfortunately, my current HDD is dying, and I intend to switch it with an SSD this month, how am I supposed to go through installing Windows on this new drive? None of the DVDs I have are full Windows installs, they're either Recovery or Upgrade DVDs, is that enough?

With what I have, will it be possible to install W7 Pro in English? Can I install it in English this time around (ie, does the fact that English is a "supported language" for my Vista recovery disk mean I can install Vista in English, or that the recovery disk works with English versions of Vista?) ?

I'm a bit lost.. thanks for all the help you guys can give me =)

The SSD I'm looking at is the Corsair Force 40 Go, any of you guys had any experience with it? Worth the 130€?
 
rexor0717 said:
Is Civ 5 ridiculously graphically intensive? I can't even run something on high! I just built this computer yesterday. I have an i5 760 and a gtx460 but its still really laggy. Whats the deal?

Edit:For some reason now, its super smooth. :lol
How does that pc handle other games? Pretty much what I will end up with next week.
 
Corky said:
god damn , overclocking stimulates my brain in a wierd way. Almost feel a rush for some bloody reason xD

Been hammering at my cpu OC now for a day. Been going to lower and lower voltages and on the other hand going higher on the baseclock.

currently it looks like :

20x 190mhz @ 3800mhz
vcore : 1.27 in bios, 1.2v showing in cpu-z during full load in prime95.
maxtemperatures across the cores are 67-65-64-65 C


what cooler are you using Corky? I overclocked my i5 750 to 3.8 and my high temps are 50c. (with the corsair H50)
 
evil solrac v3.0 said:
what cooler are you using Corky? I overclocked my i5 750 to 3.8 and my high temps are 50c. (with the corsair H50)

oh I'm only on air atm, a hyper master 212+ , been adjusting the voltages further and now my high temps are 65 C which I guess is acceptable after an hour of prime 95
 
Got my GTX 460 (EVGA) today. Fit so nice into my board and case. Was playing Bad Co. 2 on it within 7 minutes of opening the box, downloading the driver included. Plays the game beautifully maxed at 1680 X 1050 and 8X MSAA. :D
 
The Big Rig said:
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Its not as bad as I thought it was, but I would still like it to go around my board.

PSU is upside down. Unless there aren't any openings underneath. (or if that psu has multiple fans?)

The idea is that fan on the psu will bring in fresh air from outside the case, not the hot air from your graphics card.
 
TouchMyBox said:
PSU is upside down. Unless there aren't any openings underneath. (or if that psu has multiple fans?)

The idea is that fan on the psu will bring in fresh air from outside the case, not the hot air from your graphics card.
...Ever bought a case where there was a hole on the bottom?
 
Fredescu said:
Fairly common for bottom mounted PSU cases actually, but I have a feeling the one pictured is an Antec 300 which doesn't.

That is an Antec 300, but I'd like to see these other cases you're talking about. How are they drawing air from underneath the case?
 
Wallach said:
That is an Antec 300, but I'd like to see these other cases you're talking about. How are they drawing air from underneath the case?
Lancool K62: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=12171

That one mounts the PSU slightly off the bottom of the case, but has an inlet at the bottom and has a dust filter on the bottom outside to prevent too much dust getting sucked up. The tool-less PSU bracket pretty much prevents you from installing it fan up.

The CM690 II does it too. It's a little more open and I don't know if it has a dust filter on the outside. You can see the holes at least on the seventh picture here.
 
Yeah, I've got an Antec 300. I don't see any other way my PSU could be mounted though. If its any constellation, I just bought a 120mm fan for intake on the side panel. Hopefully that'll cool some of the air going into my PSU.
 
Wallach said:
That is an Antec 300, but I'd like to see these other cases you're talking about. How are they drawing air from underneath the case?

Just about every case I've seen that has a bottom mounted PSU draws in the air from underneath, and the case has longer than average rubber feet to provide ample room for ventilation. I guess that was kind of the entire point of putting power supplies at the bottom, so it could bring in external air. This is the first time I've seen one which doesn't.

valenti said:
...Ever bought a case where there was a hole on the bottom?

I'm certain that every Lancool/Lian-Li, Cooler Master and Corsair case is designed like that. (those are the only cases I buy ;))
 
So I got a message saying I need to back up my files my hd is failing or something. I think it's related to all the slowdown, stuttering and taking forever to load/run programs issues. I've ran multiple spyware/virus stuff so it couldn't be any of them.

Looks like I have to get a new HD and reinstall everything for like the dozen time in the last two months or so.
 
Huh. That's pretty pointless, but I guess as long as you have the clearance and a good enough dust filter I don't see a problem.
 
Soulstar said:
Thanks for the info.

I was wondering what I would lose for the SATA 6gbps... I don't really think I will be able to justify buying an SSD anytime soon so I think I will be okay. Definitely going to think about it for a bit before biting.
Right now only the $150+ SSDs like the C300 can hit that 300MB/s readspeed, but that pricing should come down in time. SATA 3 performs just fine, just something to be aware of.
Kaako said:
Woohoo! For real? I was gonna go with this just to be safe:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608018

Cause wanna overclock the hell out of it but do you think that's overkill?

Another option would be the Hydro: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181010

Edit: Also going with a HAF 932 case.

MSI Big Bang Motherboard.
Corsair 950TX. Contemplating if I should go with the 1000w cause the mobo has 2 8-pin cpu connectors that only the 1000w+ have. Then again, don't know if I really need it. Should be fine with one for 4GHz OC right?
So first off I'm going to suggest budget cuts:
Hyper 212+, Vendetta II, Scythe Mugen II, N520 for cooler
i5, a nice $130 board, HAF 912/922.

That nets you 90% of the same power for $300 less. i7 right now is just not a great buy since Sandy Bridge and AM3+ are coming up. The premium associated with the socket needing full bandwidth on 3 PCI-E lanes, and all the extra just isn't worth it. I'm assuming if you are getting that kind of rig you want dual GTX480's or something?

THAT SAID if you still want to go for i7 then the parts themselves are fine.
That Corsair 950W is more than enough, not a bad price on it.
MagniHarvald said:
The SSD I'm looking at is the Corsair Force 40 Go, any of you guys had any experience with it? Worth the 130€?
I don't, but the Kingston value SSD's are great at the 30/32/40GB price points.
 
Hazaro said:
So first off I'm going to suggest budget cuts:
Hyper 212+, Vendetta II, Scythe Mugen II, N520 for cooler
i5, a nice $130 board, HAF 912/922.

That nets you 90% of the same power for $300 less. i7 right now is just not a great buy since Sandy Bridge and AM3+ are coming up. The premium associated with the socket needing full bandwidth on 3 PCI-E lanes, and all the extra just isn't worth it. I'm assuming if you are getting that kind of rig you want dual GTX480's or something?

THAT SAID if you still want to go for i7 then the parts themselves are fine.
That Corsair 950W is more than enough, not a bad price on it.
Yup, I was definitely thinking of SLI but perhaps not dual 480s. Instead I was gonna go with a pair of 460s for now or the 5850s/5870s if I can find a good deal. I'd be upgrading GPUs later down the line. When are they announcing/showing off the new GPUs again?

Good point on the budget cuts. I still like the i7 over i5 for some reason. I just think I can get more out of the i7 in the overclocking/performance department, no? Still haven't pulled the trigger though so I may just wait a little longer if I have to. Really want to build one soon at the same time though haha. Still, thanks for the advice. Now I'm thinking over everything again. More research!
 
What is the difference between the 460 and the 465? And what is the best bang for the buck card at the $200 to $300 price range?
 
Kaako said:
I still like the i7 over i5 for some reason. I just think I can get more out of the i7 in the overclocking/performance department, no?
Not really.
You buy i7 for the mobo, not the chip.

You can get the i7 on 1156 as well if you want HT (mostly useless for a lot of people).

Use anandtech's bench section to compare them.
kevm3 said:
What is the difference between the 460 and the 465? And what is the best bang for the buck card at the $200 to $300 price range?
460 newer, less power, smaller. Very similar speeds.

1GB GTX 460 right now by far, however the 768MB will give you most value with all these price drops everywhere.
 
The Big Rig said:
If its any constellation, I just bought a 120mm fan for intake on the side panel. Hopefully that'll cool some of the air going into my PSU.
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kevm3 said:
Thanks... I think I saw in some thread a deal for a 460 1 GB for 170... Too bad I missed it.

I ordered that card on Amazon (if it's the Asus one you're talking about) and they cancelled my order saying the price was incorrect; so you didn't miss anything.
 
Instead of buying a new laptop, i just replaced a CPU fan and a LCD Inverter. I feel like I can achieve anything after replacing those two things, and taking apart my entire laptop, putting it back together, and posting right now with it.

:D
 
caliblue15 said:
Instead of buying a new laptop, i just replaced a CPU fan and a LCD Inverter. I feel like I can achieve anything after replacing those two things, and taking apart my entire laptop, putting it back together, and posting right now with it.

:D

The best is when I hear "My battery doesn't work very long anymore, time to get a new laptop"

/facepalm
 
cartoon_soldier said:
Looking at getting the following monitor:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236049

Anybody have experience with ASUS monitors?

Also, is HDMI input now the preferred way for monitor connections?
Looks fine. I'm not a big monitor person so I usually check newegg review numbers, then type that model into a real review site.
Also check to see if that is the current updated model.

That ASUS looks fine, might be able to find a cheaper 23/4" though.

HDMI is same as DVI but can carry sound, I just like the smaller cable.
 
Hazaro said:
Looks fine. I'm not a big monitor person so I usually check newegg review numbers, then type that model into a real review site.
Also check to see if that is the current updated model.

That ASUS looks fine, might be able to find a cheaper 23/4" though.

HDMI is same as DVI but can carry sound, I just like the smaller cable.

This is the corresponding 23.6" one

The corresponding 23.6" one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236052

Wondering what difference will be seen between 2ms vs 5ms response time?
 
Not a big fan of Asus monitors. They have a lot of backlight bleed from the one's I've seen so far. Acer seem to have pretty decent TN panels. There's also Dell if you want to check out IPS panels.
 
Ok GAF, decision time.

Im currently looking to upgrade my PC. Im running a 9600GT overclocked, and a 2.8ghz AMD Athlon x2. Ive also got 4GB 800mhz ram in the thing.

Now, I want to eventually upgrade both the processor and the GPU, but right now I can only do one de to various financial constraints.

The choice is;

CPU - AMD Quad Core Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition 3.2GHz @ approx £110.00

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/processors/amdphenomx4/amd/hdz955fbgmbox.html

OR

GPU - Novatech ATI Radeon 5770 1024MB GDDR5, also @ approx £110.00

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/atiradeongraphicscards/atihd5700series/novatech/57701gb.html

I understand that either way its going to be bottlenecked performance until I can get both sorted, but which does GAF think is going to give the best performance increase in the meantime?
 
It's been brought to my attention in the dead PS3 thread that there's been a thermal paste solution I've been unaware of until now. Here's the post, can anyone help me out?
myself said:
n0n44m said:
that's true but given the huge size of the Cell/GPU chips and the ease with which you can spread out AS5 anyone who isn't a Parkinson's patient should have no issue applying it properly

I used Arctic Cooling MX3 which is slightly better, but it's a total bitch to apply/spread ... for PS3 I'd recommend Arctic Cooling MX2 or the new MX4 both of which are much more easy to spread (AS5 is still absolutely fine if you have that lying around, no need to buy new paste!)
Oh WOW, I remember reading a review that the AC MX-2 was better than the popular AS5, but what's this about the MX-3 and MX-4?! They actually update their formula?

Know where I can buy this stuff and find reviews? NewEgg doesn't carry the 3 and 4.
 
Feorax said:
Ok GAF, decision time.

Im currently looking to upgrade my PC. Im running a 9600GT overclocked, and a 2.8ghz AMD Athlon x2. Ive also got 4GB 800mhz ram in the thing.

Now, I want to eventually upgrade both the processor and the GPU, but right now I can only do one de to various financial constraints.

The choice is;

CPU - AMD Quad Core Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition 3.2GHz @ approx £110.00

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/processors/amdphenomx4/amd/hdz955fbgmbox.html

OR

GPU - Novatech ATI Radeon 5770 1024MB GDDR5, also @ approx £110.00

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/atiradeongraphicscards/atihd5700series/novatech/57701gb.html

I understand that either way its going to be bottlenecked performance until I can get both sorted, but which does GAF think is going to give the best performance increase in the meantime?

what is your budget?
 
TheExodu5 said:
Not a big fan of Asus monitors. They have a lot of backlight bleed from the one's I've seen so far. Acer seem to have pretty decent TN panels. There's also Dell if you want to check out IPS panels.

Aren't the Dell ones generally 60-100$ more for the similar size?

Anybody else have experience with ASUS LCDs?
 
Darkatomz said:
It's been brought to my attention in the dead PS3 thread that there's been a thermal paste solution I've been unaware of until now. Here's the post, can anyone help me out?


you need to know where they sell it? if you mean how to apply it, it's simple really. put a small dab in the middle of the chip itself (after cleaning it wih a q-tip with a bit of alcohol)and spread evenly with a credit card or better yet, place the cooler on top of the CPU and give it a small twist to spread the paste.
 
Darkatomz said:
It's been brought to my attention in the dead PS3 thread that there's been a thermal paste solution I've been unaware of until now. Here's the post, can anyone help me out?

http://www.arctic-cooling.com/catalog/main.php?cPath=39

MX-2 was slightly better than AS5 and is non-conductive

MX-3 improves on 2 but is a bitch to spread, so only put a drop on the cpu and use the heatsink to spread

MX-4 has just been introduced, basically MX-3 like performance with MX-2 like spreadability

I doubt you'll see more than 3 to 4 degrees improvement over AS5 though, but given the availability (in Europe) and the fact that it hardly needs any cure time (unlike AS5) I'd recommend MX-2 or MX-4 if you are purchasing new paste ...

for anyone in this thread who just wants to build a pc for their own, just use the paste supplied with the heatsink (Mugen2, Hyper212, whatever heatsinks are adviced here)
 
n0n44m said:
http://www.arctic-cooling.com/catalog/main.php?cPath=39

MX-2 was slightly better than AS5 and is non-conductive

MX-3 improves on 2 but is a bitch to spread, so only put a drop on the cpu and use the heatsink to spread

MX-4 has just been introduced, basically MX-3 like performance with MX-2 like spreadability

I doubt you'll see more than 3 to 4 degrees improvement over AS5 though, but given the availability (in Europe) and the fact that it hardly needs any cure time (unlike AS5) I'd recommend MX-2 or MX-4 if you are purchasing new paste ...

for anyone in this thread who just wants to build a pc for their own, just use the paste supplied with the heatsink (Mugen2, Hyper212, whatever heatsinks are adviced here)
I know the paste supplied with the 212 is solid (which I'll be getting), but I'd still rather get a 3rd party thermal paste that I know will be better at doing it's job for the cpu and gpu. I know the difference is small, but for the price, I'll be a little anal about it.

Could only find one place that sells the MX-4 in the US right now.
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=29276


While we're on the topic of thermal paste, what's the best method for application for i7 chips? Some use the line (vertical or horizontal?), the dot in the middle, the spread, etc.
 
Darkatomz said:
I know the paste supplied with the 212 is solid (which I'll be getting), but I'd still rather get a 3rd party thermal paste that I know will be better at doing it's job for the cpu and gpu. I know the difference is small, but for the price, I'll be a little anal about it.

Could only find one place that sells the MX-4 in the US right now.
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=29276


While we're on the topic of thermal paste, what's the best method for application for i7 chips? Some use the line (vertical or horizontal?), the dot in the middle, the spread, etc.

I much prefer sticking my finger in a ziplock bag and smearing it with my finger instead of spreading it with the application of the heatsink and hoping it covered the whole chip without leaking out the sides.
 
I've currently got 2 8800 GTS 640MB.
I'm thinking of replacing one with a GTX 460 768MB or 1GB.
My question is can the second 8800 be used for physx? Or do they have to be the same card?
Should I just get one 1GB 460 and ditch both older cards?
 
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