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[Dash Kappei]

What's your free software of choice to check CPU's performance (not system stabilty), some benchmark
I can use to check before and after OC results to get an idea if I'm doing things wrong/right?

 

[Smokey]

Disconnect power to both cards. Remove both cards, re-insert both cards. Re-attach power cables and then boot up computer. If it is still faulty, swap cards to see if it is still an issue.

Also test each card individually to ensure it is the card dying and not the PCI slot going bad.

Am sad at the news though Smokey. Hope you can figure it out.

Welcome to PC gaming. :|

I've had issues of my own this past week that are driving me nuts.

False alarm (I hope). I switched the cards around and used a new SLI bridge. That fixed it.

 

[BoobPhysics101]

Ok GAF, I bought all my PC parts tonight and I'll start the build soon. Here's what I got:

AMD Llano A6-3650 quad-core with MSI FM1 mobo ($130)
8 GB of Patriot DDR3-1600 RAM ($50)
CM HAF912 case ($54)
EVGA Nvidia GTX 570 ($80, not a typo)

Did I do good? I really liked the HAF 912 over the Antec 300, the cage with the drives pointing towards the side rather than towards the mobo is better.

So, how did I do? Pretty decent for a budget build?

 

[specialguy]

What? You can buy a Lano like a regular CPU? Wouldn't it be impossibly weak?

And 570 for $80? How?

 

[reptilescorpio]

690 advanced II is out of stock everywhere, is the haf 912 comparable for installation, airflow and cleanliness inside the case?

 

[CoolS]

So guys. My final setup, some last opinions before I pull the trigger on my new machine?

CPU:Intel Core i5-2500K, 4x 3.30GHz
Motherboard: ASRock P67 Pro3, P67 (B3) (dual PC3-10667U DDR3)
RAM: TeamGroup Elite DIMM Kit 8GB PC3-10667U CL9-9-9-24 (DDR3-1333)
HD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1000GB
SSD: Crucial m4 SSD 64GB, 2.5", SATA 6Gb/s
CPU fan: Thermalright HR-02 Macho
PSU: be quiet! Straight Power E8 550W ATX 2.3
Xigmatek Midgard
optical drive: LG Electronics CH10LS20
graphigs: MSI N560GTX-Ti Twin Frozr II/OC

 

[Angelus Errare]

Ok GAF, I bought all my PC parts tonight and I'll start the build soon. Here's what I got:

AMD Llano A6-3650 quad-core with MSI FM1 mobo ($130)
8 GB of Patriot DDR3-1600 RAM ($50)
CM HAF912 case ($54)
EVGA Nvidia GTX 570 ($80, not a typo)

Did I do good? I really liked the HAF 912 over the Antec 300, the cage with the drives pointing towards the side rather than towards the mobo is better.

So, how did I do? Pretty decent for a budget build?

Wait.....HOW?!! 570 for $80? Hook me up and I will name my first 2 kids after you!

 

[BoobPhysics101]

What? You can buy a Lano like a regular CPU? Wouldn't it be impossibly weak?

And 570 for $80? How?

Llano A6-3650 is stock at 2.6 ghz, overclocks to 4+ Ghz with the right mobo etc. It's about on par with Phenom II, 5% faster on average. For $130 including the mobo, it's a steal for a quad core. Some people are getting 1.5 Ghz overclocks with them.

Wait.....HOW?!! 570 for $80? Hook me up and I will name my first 2 kids after you!

It involved a bit of hardware flipping. PM me and I'll can see what I can do.

 

[Sleeplessnights]

Is there a card that I can get that can help me record HD video out of my consoles? I'd rather not buy a separate device like people do.

Found "AVerTV HD DVR" is that good?

 

[goodfella]

I fucked up and bought a WD green drive for my build.

I was looking at replacing it with a Samsung F3 1tb.

How easy would it be to make the Samsung 1tb as my primary drive and then have the WD as a secondary for music/videos/pictures. Bearing in mind that the WD drive is near to capacity, and that it is all one partition.

Could it be as easy as 'plugging' in the Samsung, and selecting some sort of copy drive one to drive 2 option? Would this fuck up my Windows installation?

 

[cyen]

What's your free software of choice to check CPU's performance (not system stabilty), some benchmark
I can use to check before and after OC results to get an idea if I'm doing things wrong/right?

U can get sis software sandra it has plenty of benchmarks (synthetic) and even has the results from other cpu´s as well.

 

[cyen]

I fucked up and bought a WD green drive for my build.

I was looking at replacing it with a Samsung F1 1tb.

How easy would it be to make the Samsung 1tb as my primary drive and then have the WD as a secondary for music/videos/pictures. Bearing in mind that the WD drive is near to capacity, and that it is all one partition.

Could it be as easy as 'plugging' in the Samsung, and selecting some sort of copy drive one to drive 2 option? Would this fuck up my Windows installation?

To move the OS to another drive u have to do a fresh install, if im not mistaken u cannot simply copy/paste the OS files to another drive.

 

[goodfella]

To move the OS to another drive u have to do a fresh install, if im not mistaken u cannot simply copy/paste the OS files to another drive.

Thanks.

 

[Celcius]

What's your free software of choice to check CPU's performance (not system stabilty), some benchmark
I can use to check before and after OC results to get an idea if I'm doing things wrong/right?

I like to use Super Pi Mod 1.5 and Cinebench 11.5.

 

[gokieks]

To move the OS to another drive u have to do a fresh install, if im not mistaken u cannot simply copy/paste the OS files to another drive.

You can, just have to use a cloning software. If you don't have access to something like Symantec Ghost, g4u is a free alternative that works pretty well for just doing a local clone.

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

Anyone have problems with their sli option vanishing of the nvidia control panel? It's happened twice now since I built my computer a few weeks ago. It still sees both cards and everything, I just can't turn sli on. I had to reinstall the drivers both times.

Here's how it's supposed to look:

And here's how it looks when it messes up:

No message pop up or anything. Happened to me the first time on the latest beta files and then again last night on the latest stables drivers. Pretty weird and annoying.

 

[drhankmccoyphd]

I've heard that there was a way to enable PhysX duties to be offloaded to the CPU. I have a 5770 and a AMD 1090T X6. Would my six core be enough to power physx on Batman AC at decent framerates?

 

[Dash Kappei]

I like to use Super Pi Mod 1.5 and Cinebench 11.5.

Thanks to you and cyan, I'll try them out.
Do you guys have any experience with an i5 750?

 

[scogoth]

I've heard that there was a way to enable PhysX duties to be offloaded to the CPU. I have a 5770 and a AMD 1090T X6. Would my six core be enough to power physx on Batman AC at decent framerates?

It is already loaded off to the CPU, as 5770 is AMD and doesn't support PhysX compute. I wouldn't turn Phsyx on as it does very little to improve visuals and kills CPUs.

 

[Tashi]

Ok so my Dad just came to me asking me to build him a PC (he saw that I built my own) for his small business. He told me his needs and now I'm looking for advice on what to buy. So, he won't be playing games on it, editing video, watching 1080p movies. Maybe some light youtube use if anything. The graphics card therefore just needs to be basic. His major requirement is that there's some sort of built in backup storage device. Apparently he needs it to back up all of his information (clients, invoices, things like that) to another drive or some sort every night automatically. At first I thought, "Ok, 1 hard drive to install Windows on and another to use a back up." I'm kind of hoping that there's some built in feature in Windows or even a program we could download that does that. Is there? Something to look into.

I took a look at the budget build in the OP and started with this...

Intel i3 2100
2x2gb Corsair RAM
Storage is still up in the air sort of. I went with a 7200RPM WD 1tb HDD on my build and I'm very pleased with it so far. Was thinking about getting 2 of those. One to install Windows on and one to use as a back up.
Cooler Master Elite RC 310 case
Normal ASUS 20$ CD drive that everyone gets
Biostar TH67B MOBO
Corsair 430W Builder Series

So I basically just need a video card. Unsure of what to get. That seems like a solid build to me. Pretty powerful considering the price. Really the important part is about the Automatic backup storage device.

Thanks in advance

 

[scogoth]

Ok so my Dad just came to me asking me to build him a PC (he saw that I built my own) for his small business. He told me his needs and now I'm looking for advice on what to buy. So, he won't be playing games on it, editing video, watching 1080p movies. Maybe some light youtube use if anything. The graphics card therefore just needs to be basic. His major requirement is that there's some sort of built in backup storage device. Apparently he needs it to back up all of his information (clients, invoices, things like that) to another drive or some sort every night automatically. At first I thought, "Ok, 1 hard drive to install Windows on and another to use a back up." I'm kind of hoping that there's some built in feature in Windows or even a program we could download that does that. Is there? Something to look into.

I took a look at the budget build in the OP and started with this...

Intel i3 2100
2x2gb Corsair RAM
Storage is still up in the air sort of. I went with a 7200RPM WD 1tb HDD on my build and I'm very pleased with it so far. Was thinking about getting 2 of those. One to install Windows on and one to use as a back up.
Cooler Master Elite RC 310 case
Normal ASUS 20$ CD drive that everyone gets
Biostar TH67B MOBO
Corsair 430W Builder Series

So I basically just need a video card. Unsure of what to get. That seems like a solid build to me. Pretty powerful considering the price. Really the important part is about the Automatic backup storage device.

Thanks in advance

Forget video card get a H or Q series mobo and use built in video. Did the same thing for my father. Otherwise looks good.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Ok so my Dad just came to me asking me to build him a PC (he saw that I built my own) for his small business. He told me his needs and now I'm looking for advice on what to buy. So, he won't be playing games on it, editing video, watching 1080p movies. Maybe some light youtube use if anything. The graphics card therefore just needs to be basic. His major requirement is that there's some sort of built in backup storage device. Apparently he needs it to back up all of his information (clients, invoices, things like that) to another drive or some sort every night automatically. At first I thought, "Ok, 1 hard drive to install Windows on and another to use a back up." I'm kind of hoping that there's some built in feature in Windows or even a program we could download that does that. Is there? Something to look into.

I took a look at the budget build in the OP and started with this...

Intel i3 2100
2x2gb Corsair RAM
Storage is still up in the air sort of. I went with a 7200RPM WD 1tb HDD on my build and I'm very pleased with it so far. Was thinking about getting 2 of those. One to install Windows on and one to use as a back up.
Cooler Master Elite RC 310 case
Normal ASUS 20$ CD drive that everyone gets
Biostar TH67B MOBO
Corsair 430W Builder Series

So I basically just need a video card. Unsure of what to get. That seems like a solid build to me. Pretty powerful considering the price. Really the important part is about the Automatic backup storage device.

Thanks in advance

Pretty sure a good NAS would suffice for your backup needs. Just make sure you also get a UPS.

 

[Tashi]

Yea I thought about integrated as well. Going to take a look at some MOBO's

Pretty sure a good NAS would suffice for your backup needs. Just make sure you also get a UPS.

I'm looking at some right now from Western Digital. I figured these devices were much more expensive but they're not.

What's a UPS?

edit: Western Digital software allows you to back up your drive automatically. Looks like I'm going to go with this. Awesome.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

everyone is willing to buy a GTX 570 but I'm willing to sell my GTX 580s if I could use the cash to upgrade to the 3gb versions. how much money could I get for 2 580s?

 

[clav]

Ok so my Dad just came to me asking me to build him a PC (he saw that I built my own) for his small business. He told me his needs and now I'm looking for advice on what to buy. So, he won't be playing games on it, editing video, watching 1080p movies. Maybe some light youtube use if anything. The graphics card therefore just needs to be basic. His major requirement is that there's some sort of built in backup storage device. Apparently he needs it to back up all of his information (clients, invoices, things like that) to another drive or some sort every night automatically. At first I thought, "Ok, 1 hard drive to install Windows on and another to use a back up." I'm kind of hoping that there's some built in feature in Windows or even a program we could download that does that. Is there? Something to look into.

I took a look at the budget build in the OP and started with this...

Intel i3 2100
2x2gb Corsair RAM
Storage is still up in the air sort of. I went with a 7200RPM WD 1tb HDD on my build and I'm very pleased with it so far. Was thinking about getting 2 of those. One to install Windows on and one to use as a back up.
Cooler Master Elite RC 310 case
Normal ASUS 20$ CD drive that everyone gets
Biostar TH67B MOBO
Corsair 430W Builder Series

So I basically just need a video card. Unsure of what to get. That seems like a solid build to me. Pretty powerful considering the price. Really the important part is about the Automatic backup storage device.

Thanks in advance

Yea I thought about integrated as well. Going to take a look at some MOBO's



I'm looking at some right now from Western Digital. I figured these devices were much more expensive but they're not.

What's a UPS?

Buy a copy of Windows Home Server 2011. Often on sale for around $50 USD.

Automatic backups built-in and very easy to setup.

Only drawback is you can only use one type of hard drive, so if you buy two drives, they have to be the same kind. The older version (2003) had a feature of drive extender, which allowed additional hard drives regardless of specific make/size. There are third party add-ons for that feature in 2011, but I don't think they're reliable yet.

You could get away building a system using the AMD Fusion lineup like a E350. Otherwise, if the Intel 2100 build is comparable then go with that instead. You really don't need much power if all you need is a backup system.

You picked a bad time to buy hard drives though.

 

[Angelus Errare]

everyone is willing to buy a GTX 570 but I'm willing to sell my GTX 580s if I could use the cash to upgrade to the 3gb versions. how much money could I get for 2 580s?

I'll buy one from you for...285! (it's all I have in my account that I can spend on PC parts atm =( )

 

[Hazaro]

Yea I thought about integrated as well. Going to take a look at some MOBO's



I'm looking at some right now from Western Digital. I figured these devices were much more expensive but they're not.

What's a UPS?

edit: Western Digital software allows you to back up your drive automatically. Looks like I'm going to go with this. Awesome.

Get a better PSU than the CX. Business is a different level of reliability imo. BP550 should impress him.

UPS is a battery backup that can work with windows to shutdown a computer/storage automatically when power fails.

*I really don't suggest someone who just jumped into PC stuff use a Server OS. They are very picky and have a lot of settings. I'm sure WD or whatever has a very simple backup tool he can use.

 

[Tashi]

UPS - Uninterrupted Power Supply, got it. Thanks.

Buy a copy of Windows Home Server 2011.

Automatic backups built-in.

Only drawback is you can only use one type of hard drive, so if you buy two drives, they have to be the same kind.

You could get away building a system using the AMD Fusion lineup like a E350. Otherwise, if the Intel 2100 build is comparable then go with that instead. You really don't need much power if all you need is a backup system.

You picked a bad time to buy hard drives though.

I don't know if my Dad or his secretary would be too keen on using a non standard software like that. Or is it pretty much the same as Windows home premium?

I thought the i3 might be a little overkill but he said he wants it to be fast and the i3 isn't pricey at all. I figure that it would last him in the long run.

And yea, I was thinking to myself, "Man these HDD prices are through the roof now, good thing I built over the summer" And now my Dad comes to me with storage issues :lol

I'm really liking this Western Digital My Book Live. It seems really easy to use and I think my dad would appreciate that.

Thanks for the input.

 

[clav]

UPS - Uninterrupted Power Supply, got it. Thanks.




I don't know if my Dad or his secretary would be too keen on using a non standard software like that. Or is it pretty much the same as Windows home premium?

I thought the i3 might be a little overkill but he said he wants it to be fast and the i3 isn't pricey at all. I figure that it would last him in the long run.

And yea, I was thinking to myself, "Man these HDD prices are through the roof now, good thing I built over the summer" And now my Dad comes to me with storage issues :lol

I'm really liking this Western Digital My Book Live. It seems really easy to use and I think my dad would appreciate that.

Thanks for the input.

The OS is based on Windows 7/Server 2008, and it was designed for Home users in mind.

The setup is very easy to pick up for novice users.

Some people may disagree in here, but I'm not a supporter of proprietary software like Western Digital backups. Keep in mind hard drives can die no matter what setup/enclosure they are performing.

Get a better PSU than the CX. Business is a different level of reliability imo. BP550 should impress him.

UPS is a battery backup that can work with windows to shutdown a computer/storage automatically when power fails.

*I really don't suggest someone who just jumped into PC stuff use a Server OS. They are very picky and have a lot of settings. I'm sure WD or whatever has a very simple backup tool he can use.

I'm going to guess you haven't used Windows Home Server.

Home Server and Server 2008 are two different completely beasts. One was designed to be easy to setup, and the other is for more complex setups.

If he doesn't want to use WHS despite advantages:

I was thinking if Tashi decides to stick with a Windows Home Premium setup, he could install a Microsoft power toy called SyncToy, setup a Shared folder across the network, and have the computer just resync the folders every night at a specific time as long as the computers are on.

Go with what you want Tashi as after all, it's your choice, not ours.

 

[Tashi]

Hmm. It's I'm going to have to do more research on it. Apparently Windows 7 Professional allows you to schedule a back up to a networked device so that's something to look at as well.

As far as Mobo's with integrated video is concerned, anything I should be aware of?

edit: Would I be able to sync to that WD drive (bypassing their proprietary software) with that Sync Toy? That's another viable option it seems.

btw: I really appreciate all of the help too guys.

 

[theRizzle]

Man, I am trying to build my brother a barebones PC (case, cpu, mobo, ram) and I'm getting really bummed out at the price of hard-drives right now. I can get case, cpu, mobo and ram for under $300, then I'm looking at another $150 just for a HD.

 

[Hazaro]

The OS is based on Windows 7/Server 2008, and it was designed for Home users in mind.

The setup is very easy to pick up for novice users.

Some people may disagree in here, but I'm not a supporter of proprietary software like Western Digital backups. Keep in mind hard drives can die no matter what setup/enclosure they are performing.


I'm going to guess you haven't used Windows Home Server.

Home Server and Server 2008 are two different completely beasts. One was designed to be easy to setup, and the other is for more complex setups.

Oh, my mistake. I did not read 'Home Server'.

 

[InertiaXr]

I've gotten 2 blue screens using Windows 7 the past 2 days, both page_fault_in_nonpaged_area. First 2 blue screens since I built this at Sandy Bridge launch. Anybody know why it may be happening? I'm using 2500k/W7/GTX460

 

[Tashi]

Rather than integrated I should just get a cheap ass video card like this right?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127591

edit: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130605

Or this one.

 

[Insane Metal]

Guys, I have the following configs

PII X4 945
4GB DDR2 800
ECS A780GM-A Ultra

And I'm gonna get

QX9770 with V8
8GB DDR3 1600
And a motherboard which I don't remember right now.

My friend tells me that he can get that QX to run at 4.5Ghz with no problems. I want to know: is that even possible? If so, how much better than my previous system would that be?

Just fyi, my VGA is a 4890, but I'm thinking of changing it. Just didn't decide on which one yet.

 

[gatti-man]

Anyone have problems with their sli option vanishing of the nvidia control panel? It's happened twice now since I built my computer a few weeks ago. It still sees both cards and everything, I just can't turn sli on. I had to reinstall the drivers both times.
No message pop up or anything. Happened to me the first time on the latest beta files and then again last night on the latest stables drivers. Pretty weird and annoying.

Last time that happened to me was with 2 8800gtx's in sli. Less than a month later one bit the dust.

 

[·feist·]

I've gotten 2 blue screens using Windows 7 the past 2 days, both page_fault_in_nonpaged_area. First 2 blue screens since I built this at Sandy Bridge launch. Anybody know why it may be happening? I'm using 2500k/W7/GTX460

Bug Check 0x50: PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff559023(v=VS.85).aspx

In addition, try testing your memory individually.

Rather than integrated I should just get a cheap ass video card like this right?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127591

edit: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130605

Or this one.

On memory alone, EVGA. Though I don't see why you wouldn't just use the iGPU, and save your money (unless I missed something).

 

[Tashi]

Bug Check 0x50: PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff559023(v=VS.85).aspx


Only memory alone, EVGA. Though I don't see why you wouldn't just use the iGPU, and save your money (unless I missed something).

I'm still open to integrated. Just not sure which I can drop an i3 into.

 

[·feist·]

I'm still open to integrated. Just not sure which I can drop an i3 into.

You can do like scogoth said. Avoid P67, and he doesn't need Z68, so any decent mATX H61/H67 will do. Even mITX would likely do, but they tend to have a slight price premium. See if you find a bundle deal with an H61/H67. Get a better case for about the same price as that 310, and you're good.

 

[MedIC86]

Amagawd, i just installed my raystorm block...

Cpu @ load 27 degrees ))

 

[Tashi]

You can do like scogoth said. Avoid P67, and he doesn't need Z68, so any decent mATX H61/H67 will do. Even mITX would likely do, but they tend to have a slight price premium. See if you find a bundle deal with an H61/H67. Get a better case for about the same price as that 310, and you're good.

Thank you sir

 

[ShOcKwAvE]

New ATI cards rumored for Nov/Dec. Hopefully worth holding out for!

 

[Angelus Errare]

New ATI cards rumored for Nov/Dec. Hopefully worth holding out for!

Announced in November maybe, but definitely not coming out next month.

 

[chaosblade]

So I finally got everything together and built. New motherboard+CPU+cooler+case.

Unfortunately, I'm probably going to have to remount the cooler. Was trying to be careful with the thermal compound, but was confused as to why my MX-4 wasn't coming out. Turns out it was curling up under the tube where I didn't see it and I used way too much. Tried to clean it up but it didn't seem to do any good, temps are awful. Haven't tested load temps but there isn't much point when two cores are in the low 20s (22-24) idle and the other two struggle to fall under 30.

And yeah, I had to rig some fans with zip ties. Including the top fan. Also put in another front fan under my DVD drive, padded it with some foam included with the motherboard so it wouldn't move or make noise, but I didn't take a picture of that, but you can kind of see it in the pic above.

 

[causan]

Hey Gaf. My monitor died the other day (in the middle of a awesome BF3 gaming session by the way) and I was looking to replace it with this:

http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VS247H-P-23-6-Inch-LCD-Monitor/dp/B005BZNDS0/ref=lh_ni_t

Any thoughts on this display? Or any other monitor you would recommend under 200$ ? Thanks in advance.

 

[TheExodu5]

Hey Gaf. My monitor died the other day (in the middle of a awesome BF3 gaming session by the way) and I was looking to replace it with this:

http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VS247H-P-23-6-Inch-LCD-Monitor/dp/B005BZNDS0/ref=lh_ni_t

Any thoughts on this display? Or any other monitor you would recommend under 200$ ? Thanks in advance.

Personally, I prefer the non-LED monitors:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001LYPIIS/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Slightly thicker, and they take a little bit more power, but you get better blacks and better contrast (pay no attention to the "Smart Contrast" number...it's bogus).

Asus is my brand of choice when looking for TN monitors.

 

[Insane Metal]

Guys, I have the following configs

PII X4 945
4GB DDR2 800
ECS A780GM-A Ultra

And I'm gonna get

QX9770 with V8
8GB DDR3 1600
And a motherboard which I don't remember right now.

My friend tells me that he can get that QX to run at 4.5Ghz with no problems. I want to know: is that even possible? If so, how much better than my previous system would that be?

Just fyi, my VGA is a 4890, but I'm thinking of changing it. Just didn't decide on which one yet.

Anybody? Please?

 

[causan]

Personally, I prefer the non-LED monitors:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001LYPIIS/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Slightly thicker, and they take a little bit more power, but you get better blacks and better contrast (pay no attention to the "Smart Contrast" number...it's bogus).

Asus is my brand of choice when looking for TN monitors.

That was the model I was originally looking at on newegg but I found that this LED version was only a 20$ difference after taxes. So if the LCD model has better blacks and contrast why is the LED versions more expensive?

 

[TheExodu5]

That was the model I was originally looking at on newegg but I found that this LED version was only a 20$ difference after taxes. So if the LCD model has better blacks and contrast why is the LED versions more expensive?

Superior marketing. =\

LED is perceived to be better by the public at large.

 

[Hazaro]

Anybody? Please?

4.5Ghz sounds dubious on air, that thing must be sucking voltage for that. I wouldn't run it that high, but if he was a person to actually get a QX CPU then it could be.

If it ran at 4Ghz it would be around 30% faster. Not a huge leap really, the Phenom II's and Core 2 Quads are very similar.