"I need a New PC!" 2011 Thread of reading the OP. Seriously. [Part 2]
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AwesomeSauce
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darthbob said:
Is the fan running at full speed when the temps increase in the bios?
Check the setting in the bios to boost fan speed when temps hit ~50c.
Also if you're going to reapply paste, do a line down the middle method.
giancarlo123x
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Edit:nvm
Okay, now I'm officially done with SLI / Crossfire. For the past few years, I owned all the heavy-hitters in Dual GPU Single Card throughout the years, 7950 GX2, 4870X2 and now 5970. I just loved that feeling of potential just waiting to be unlocked, a patch or a profile comes along and you get a nice performance boost.
As the years progress you just hit that famous derp wall so many times, you just have enough. With the GX2, I suffered through months of no SLI drivers for Vista and when they finally arrived, they were piss-poor. With the 4870X2 it was an endless stream of disabling CF to get games working without graphical artifacts, flashing lights and broken shadows, sitting around with your thumbs up the ass waiting for new CF profiles.
I still wasn't sick of it but now I'm playing some older games and it's exactly the same. Even newer games still aren't optimized for SLI / CF, terrible performance and I distinctly remember I couldn't play Shift 2 because either I had to suffer terrible performance or shadows going all disco. Just an endless stream of that.
Even my favourite game, Men of War, doesn't support CF which isn't too bad if the game didn't have an ATi "25 FPS" bug.
Now just to blow some random cash until the next big wave of upgrade-worthy cards arrive, I ordered a MSI N580GTX Twin Frozr II/OC, can't wait to get back on the nVidia wagon for a little while.
Sorry, this was just a rant, I have reached my breaking point - CF / SLI, won't miss ya'.
As the years progress you just hit that famous derp wall so many times, you just have enough. With the GX2, I suffered through months of no SLI drivers for Vista and when they finally arrived, they were piss-poor. With the 4870X2 it was an endless stream of disabling CF to get games working without graphical artifacts, flashing lights and broken shadows, sitting around with your thumbs up the ass waiting for new CF profiles.
I still wasn't sick of it but now I'm playing some older games and it's exactly the same. Even newer games still aren't optimized for SLI / CF, terrible performance and I distinctly remember I couldn't play Shift 2 because either I had to suffer terrible performance or shadows going all disco. Just an endless stream of that.
Even my favourite game, Men of War, doesn't support CF which isn't too bad if the game didn't have an ATi "25 FPS" bug.
Now just to blow some random cash until the next big wave of upgrade-worthy cards arrive, I ordered a MSI N580GTX Twin Frozr II/OC, can't wait to get back on the nVidia wagon for a little while.
Sorry, this was just a rant, I have reached my breaking point - CF / SLI, won't miss ya'.
Zimbardo said:
I was under this impression as well. I know there can be issues with multi GPU setups, but I thought it was less of one with Nvidia.
Also with Nvidia you really don't have a choice if you want to do a multi monitor gaming (unless you get a 590 and all 3 dvi's are on one card).
Wolf Akela
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Why stop there? Go for an OLED keyboard.
It only costs $1600
giancarlo123x
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Quick question, would this CPU work with this motherboard?
AwesomeSauce
MagsMoonshine
giancarlo123x said:
Nope sorry.
giancarlo123x
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Fredescu said:
AwesomeSauce said:
Aww man, I guess im going to have to just build something in the coming few months. =[ Thank you for the quick answers.
Personally I'd get a single 570/6970 and upgrade to a new card in 6 months.Darklord said:
It should be a major step up in a lot of ways.
Otherwise go crazy and get a 3GB 3 slot GTX 580.
Sounds about right, both waiting for that new silicon. Don't see AMD getting a huge head start unless they really push it.Smokey said:
I was under the impression that they would both release super early Q1 anyway.
Brand / Model?Foliorum Viridum said:
Depends why it blew out. If it blew out because of some surge and the PSU sacrificed itself then everythign could be fine.
It might have had a faulty part and blown up causing some major voltage shocks when it went damaging your components.
Could be nothing, could be some.
BIOS temps aren't the best from my experience. Burn in is usually ~5C on older pastes, but it also needs time to be pressed and spread and fill in.darthbob said:
I think on most builds I've seen BIOS temps be +10C usually.
DAS S Keyboard (Cherry Blue or Brown) with student discount. $103 shipped.Q8D3vil said:
You can get a Ducky from tankguys.com for about $110 as well.
Looks good to me. If you bump the SSD to 120GB you will get some increased speeds on it.DigiMish said:
Q8D3vil said:
If you can use the student discount, get a Das Keyboard directly from them. If you can find a Rosewill RK-9000 that would be a solid choice too, but I don't know any place that has them in stock (and they aren't getting a refresh until September). I personally wouldn't buy a Black Widow, but I also hate left-side macro keys (not to mention I don't care for Razer much either). You also could scope eBay or even Geekhack classifieds for a Filco/Leopold/Das in that price range; Elite Keyboards will have new Leopolds in stock around the middle of the month but they're $110 before shipping (so probably ~$120 w/ shipping).
i don't live in NA but i can order from newegg or amazon ( and maybe elitekeyboards but i didn't try).Wallach said:
black widow is available in my country for a good price 90$. in case i want to buy another keyboard i have to buy it online and the shipping will depend on the weight of the keyboard :/
i would love daskeyboard though.
Mohonky
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Question;
Tonight i thought i should get my old 8800GT out and put it in my system. Problem is the GTX570 i have is so large that when i fit the 8800GT to its slot, it sits maybe 2mm from the 570. Is this a problem?
I noticed in pics of 2 & 3 card sli setups they sit the same so i figured this shouldnt cause the cad to overheatl so i figure this should be ok?
Of note, my case has a 120mm side fan, 80mm rear extractn fan and a 40mm fan front and top of the case, so it breathes pretty easy. Ok to stick my 8800gt in there as a physx card?
Tonight i thought i should get my old 8800GT out and put it in my system. Problem is the GTX570 i have is so large that when i fit the 8800GT to its slot, it sits maybe 2mm from the 570. Is this a problem?
I noticed in pics of 2 & 3 card sli setups they sit the same so i figured this shouldnt cause the cad to overheatl so i figure this should be ok?
Of note, my case has a 120mm side fan, 80mm rear extractn fan and a 40mm fan front and top of the case, so it breathes pretty easy. Ok to stick my 8800gt in there as a physx card?
Ok, after a few days playing around with the new rig you guys helped me to choose, I must say I'm really impressed.
On the day the PC arrived I was unfortunately diagnosed a bad eye problem, so atm my right eye see at about 40% of its capacity and I have a nasty "blurry 3d" effect on anything.
And... in spite of that it seems like I'm sitting in front of a real "next-gen" system right now, while the chat about the new consoles it's just starting.
The Witcher 2, Crysis 2, Just Cause 2... are really blowing my few remaining hairs off. ^^
The level of detail that a game made with love can show on a good gaming PC it's outstanding.
Once you've seen it, you can't unsee it: my gaming time is gonna stay on the PC for a while.
So that's it, just a line to say thank you for helping me out!
Only error, maybe: I've installed the Steam client and main games on the SSD, moving other games on the 2Tb F4 with SteamMover (or it's the other almost identical software? can't remember). This is forcing me to keep a lot of space free on the SSD in order to have the first download of all games made on said SSD, and only afterwards moving them on the F4.
Maybe I should have installed the Steam client on the F4 and had my main library there, moving the "priority 1" games on the SSD instead.
On the day the PC arrived I was unfortunately diagnosed a bad eye problem, so atm my right eye see at about 40% of its capacity and I have a nasty "blurry 3d" effect on anything.
And... in spite of that it seems like I'm sitting in front of a real "next-gen" system right now, while the chat about the new consoles it's just starting.
The Witcher 2, Crysis 2, Just Cause 2... are really blowing my few remaining hairs off. ^^
The level of detail that a game made with love can show on a good gaming PC it's outstanding.
Once you've seen it, you can't unsee it: my gaming time is gonna stay on the PC for a while.
So that's it, just a line to say thank you for helping me out!
Only error, maybe: I've installed the Steam client and main games on the SSD, moving other games on the 2Tb F4 with SteamMover (or it's the other almost identical software? can't remember). This is forcing me to keep a lot of space free on the SSD in order to have the first download of all games made on said SSD, and only afterwards moving them on the F4.
Maybe I should have installed the Steam client on the F4 and had my main library there, moving the "priority 1" games on the SSD instead.
Well first of all make sure you don't put the motherboard in the case before you attach the 212, because you need to screw a plate onto the back of the motherboard. This was the first irritating part as the screws are quite tricky to fit through the board and then the holes on the plate, but it's a simple enough job. The real tricky stuff comes with keeping the heat sink in line with the CPU as you insert and screw in the retention plate thing that straps the whole gizmo in place. You may want a pair of extra hands for this bit, it really helped for us.Tashi0106 said:
It's not super hard, it's just the only part(besides the motherboard) that really required some fiddling rather than simply plugging in in some shape or form. This was my first PC build too though, so don't fear.
Not worth the hassle. My previous build was water-cooled. Looks sweet at first, but once you start adding/moving stuff around, it was a pain in the ass. And, water leakage was always a possible issue anytime. I wouldn't touch it unless you are a benchmark maniac, was once, going for max overclocking.RS4- said:
toastyToast
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LabouredSubterfuge
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Gentlemen, I'm looking at getting a MSI GTX 580 Twin Frozr II/OC. Anyone have one of these? Experiences? Good?
Edit: In fact, have people been happy with their GTX 580's in general? Any games you can't max out properly?
Edit: In fact, have people been happy with their GTX 580's in general? Any games you can't max out properly?
knitoe said:
Yeah, it's tempting just because I get to do something different and put things together. I'm not excited about all the things that come with it though, cleaning every few months, the constant worry about a leak.
It's nice being able to run JC2 at 100+ fps lol. I have to reinstall GTAIV and see how it runs with the proper mods as I was getting 55+ but that was probably because the mods weren't working properly.
Installed my brothers yesterday (Asus 580 1.5gb) and I maxed out Metro 2033 and played Crysis on high at a crisp resolution with what felt like above 60fps. Going to start flicking stuff to very high today.LabouredSubterfuge said:
I've not been a PC gamer for quite a few years but this card seems a beast, it's yet to hit anything that would make it stumble, although I've yet to try TW2 on it.
Red Blaster
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·feist· said:
Thanks for the tip, I think I'll upgrade to the Fractal Design R3.
RS4- said:
Ugh, so tempted to do this
I have the same case. Doesn't look nearly as bad ass as this lol
I really admire what some people are able to do with their setups. Also reminds me that my cable management is DOWNRIGHT HORRIBLE!.
LabouredSubterfuge said:
Twin Frozr is one of the best 580s out. I have a ASUS 580 and I can run every game that I have at max. Crysis 2 on Ultra DX11 and hi res pack I average about 45fps. Before that patch on Extreme settings I was getting 60+.
You won't have a problem with any game with a 580.
So I put my computer together over the weekend:
Intel Core i5-2400 Processor 3.1GHz Socket LGA1155
AsRock H67M Motherboard-
PNY Geforce GTX 560 TI
Corsair 2x2GB DDR3 PC1600 Memory (CMX4GX3M2A1600C9)
Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB SATA 3.0 Gb-s 32 MB Cache
Antec Three Hundred Case
XFX Core PRO550W PSU
I originally ordered the DVD drive from Amazon, but they ran out of stock, and so ordered it from Newegg, but it won't arrive until today or tomorrow.
The build went surprisingly smooth. There were really only 2 minor snags:
1. I had no DVD drive, so I had to use a USB flash drive to boot Windows 7. My old computer had Windows XP, and creating the Windows 7 Upgrade boot disk on a USB flash drive proved to be troublesome. Luckily, my wife's laptop has Windows Vista, where the DISKPART version makes it easier to format, and create a bootable USB flash drive.
Additionally, because I got the Windows 7 Upgrade and not the full version, I had an issue with the Windows not liking the Product License Key I had (because it was an Upgrade version). I had to call up Microsoft, and they were able to verify my Product Key, and then they pretty much gave me a new one which I could use to finally activate Windows
2. The other snag, although this could have completely been bypassed, was the fact that the Hard Drive I got would not format in Windows XP. I wanted to install the new Hard Drive in my old computer, partition and format it, transfer all the stuff I wanted to save, and then install Windows 7 on it. But, it would not format in WinXP. So, Instead I just installed the hard drive in my new computer, and booted the Windows 7 boot disk (flash drive), and it formatted it just fine.
I gotta say, though, that this was probably the smoothest build I've done so far.
Intel Core i5-2400 Processor 3.1GHz Socket LGA1155
AsRock H67M Motherboard-
PNY Geforce GTX 560 TI
Corsair 2x2GB DDR3 PC1600 Memory (CMX4GX3M2A1600C9)
Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB SATA 3.0 Gb-s 32 MB Cache
Antec Three Hundred Case
XFX Core PRO550W PSU
ASUS DRW Optical Drive
I originally ordered the DVD drive from Amazon, but they ran out of stock, and so ordered it from Newegg, but it won't arrive until today or tomorrow.
The build went surprisingly smooth. There were really only 2 minor snags:
1. I had no DVD drive, so I had to use a USB flash drive to boot Windows 7. My old computer had Windows XP, and creating the Windows 7 Upgrade boot disk on a USB flash drive proved to be troublesome. Luckily, my wife's laptop has Windows Vista, where the DISKPART version makes it easier to format, and create a bootable USB flash drive.
Additionally, because I got the Windows 7 Upgrade and not the full version, I had an issue with the Windows not liking the Product License Key I had (because it was an Upgrade version). I had to call up Microsoft, and they were able to verify my Product Key, and then they pretty much gave me a new one which I could use to finally activate Windows
2. The other snag, although this could have completely been bypassed, was the fact that the Hard Drive I got would not format in Windows XP. I wanted to install the new Hard Drive in my old computer, partition and format it, transfer all the stuff I wanted to save, and then install Windows 7 on it. But, it would not format in WinXP. So, Instead I just installed the hard drive in my new computer, and booted the Windows 7 boot disk (flash drive), and it formatted it just fine.
I gotta say, though, that this was probably the smoothest build I've done so far.
NP, good choice. Consider adding a 120mm intake. Something good but inexpensive like Yate Loons, Scythe Kama Flow IIs, or a Nexus silent 120 (black & white like your stock fans) would work.Red Blaster said:
The ones in this post?goodfella said:
Front runners would be the BitFenix Shinobi, and NZXT Source 210. If you need more cooling, one additional, quiet 120mm/140mm fan can be added.
If you won't be going multi card in the future, I'd look at a higher rated 550-650W modular PSU. May want to also consider the Cooler Master Silencio 550, and Fractal Design Define R3.DigiMish said:
Heh. You keep looking at these loops. May as well check on the custom RV02s for additional ideas. Keep in mind, a triple or quad rad is going to severely limit your high end GPU options. I'd stick with the simplicity of air cooling as the FT02 excels at it, and space is limited. Just flip the fan switch to high when you start gaming.RS4- said:
YianGaruga
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Okay, I'm currently building my PC (~800) and I have some questions since I'm overwhelmed by the available options. I've looked throught the OP and several other guides and still can't decide a few things.
Motherboard:
MSI P67A-GD55 (B3)
OR ASRock P67 Extreme4 B3
OR Asus P8P67 Rev.3.1
What are the differences? All seem the same to me. The OP recommends the ASRock. Why? The Asus one has Blutooth which the others don't. Also, I'm not looking for a Crossfire/SLI setup.
GPU:
I seriously have no idea here. 560-Ti? HD 6870? I'm looking to spend ~200, maybe a little bit more. Any recommendations would be appreciated.
PSU:
Are 600W enough? Something like a Corsair CX600? What would be the ebenfits of going TX650, besides the extra watts? Any other brands I should be looking at?
Motherboard:
MSI P67A-GD55 (B3)
OR ASRock P67 Extreme4 B3
OR Asus P8P67 Rev.3.1
What are the differences? All seem the same to me. The OP recommends the ASRock. Why? The Asus one has Blutooth which the others don't. Also, I'm not looking for a Crossfire/SLI setup.
GPU:
I seriously have no idea here. 560-Ti? HD 6870? I'm looking to spend ~200, maybe a little bit more. Any recommendations would be appreciated.
PSU:
Are 600W enough? Something like a Corsair CX600? What would be the ebenfits of going TX650, besides the extra watts? Any other brands I should be looking at?
·feist· said:
Ah, yes, specifically I was looking for quiet cases, but I suppose that comes with being good
I've ordered my build, and while I'm excited as its my first pc, I'm also fucking scared as its my first pc.
i5-2500
ASRock H67M
4GB Corsair XMS3 (2x2GB) 1600MHz
Western Digital Caviar 1TB
Asus 1GB GeForce GTX 560TI
OCZ 600W
Samsung SH-S223C drive
Antec Three Hundred Midi Case
and a LG W2361V monitor.
(bit worried about the power supply, but I don't plan on overclocking so I
Can't wait to finally play witcher, total war games, civ V, stalker and others!
goodfella said:Ah, yes, specifically I was looking for quiet cases, but I suppose that comes with being good
I've ordered my build, and while I'm excited as its my first pc, I'm also fucking scared as its my first pc.
i5-2500
ASRock H67M
4GB Corsair XMS3 (2x2GB) 1600MHz
Western Digital Caviar 1TB
Asus 1GB GeForce GTX 560TI
OCZ 600W
Samsung SH-S223C drive
Antec Three Hundred Midi Case
and a LG W2361V monitor.
Can't wait to finally play witcher, total war games, civ V, stalker and others!
Get a Steam account ASAP. The Summer sale is going on and ends July 10th. You can buy the games and when you get your machine up and running install them on there.
If you're uneasy about building your first PC (I was as well, shit was nerve racking) follow some of the videos in the OP. If you run into any problems bring them up in this thread, people are usually quick to help.
Sethos said:
Yeah, about half of the major new games have CF issues until patched about a month later.
However I can work around it using Radeon pro to tweak which catalyst profile to force and tweak crossfire settings. I did it with Crysis 2, Witcher 2, and Shogun 2.
And yeah we shouldn't have to do this to customize settings. No idea why AMD/ATI isn't exposing profile selection given that they don't have a compatible one until 1 month after a game's release.
holy shit! i never had anything like this before... i cannot get the atx power cable into the mobo. fuck. it goes halfway in but there is no forcing it any further down. wtf.
is it just me or do these pins look kinda crooked?
this is how it looked from the beginning.
borked cable?
help!
is it just me or do these pins look kinda crooked?
this is how it looked from the beginning.
borked cable?
help!
hmmm. that said, the pins on the other end of the cable look just like that, not exactly perfectly centered or straight and they fit into the psu just fine...
also, it's been too long i guess: am i meant to hook both the ssd and the hdd to the same sata cable on the psu or do they require power from two separate cables?
also, it's been too long i guess: am i meant to hook both the ssd and the hdd to the same sata cable on the psu or do they require power from two separate cables?
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
It went out with a very loud bang and lots of smoke... I don't know why, it was 700w so more than enough to power my PC. It was extremely, hot, though, so maybe that was why.toasty_T said:
I've now contaced Ebuyer to try and get a replacement, so my question is has anyone in the UK had any experience returning items with Ebuyer? Now that I've submitted the request I've got an e-mail saying the only way forward was to call up a hotline between 9am and 6pm.
I'm not overly technical when it comes to PC hardware, so I'm hoping this won't be a headache. It's clearly dead, but if they start asking me in-depth questions I might not be able to provide the answers, haha. I've done a bit of Googlin and read bad things, so I was wondering if anyone here had any experience.
YianGaruga
Banned
So this is my build right now. Unsure about the mainboard, case and PSU.
MSI P67A-GD55 (B3)
OR ASRock P67 Extreme4 B3
OR Asus P8P67 Rev.3.1
What's the difference between these? Any other comments or improvements to my build?
I have an EVGA GeForce GTX 480 SuperClocked+ card I bought last September. While there are no problems it runs incredibly hot under load. Anywhere from 91 - 98 Celsius, I think I should replace my 120mm case fans in the front, what should I get for my computer to lower temperatures but be quiet?
I put together the following setup last September as well:
i7 980X on stock cooler
ABS Majesty 1100W PSU
G.SKILL Trident 6GB x2
GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD7
ABS Canyon 595
Kingston SSDNow V Series Gen II 128GB x2
Blu-ray burner x2
Also, if I want to overclock my 980x more what should I get? I had it stable at 3.77GHz which I hear is nothing for the i7 9xx series CPUs.
I put together the following setup last September as well:
i7 980X on stock cooler
ABS Majesty 1100W PSU
G.SKILL Trident 6GB x2
GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD7
ABS Canyon 595
Kingston SSDNow V Series Gen II 128GB x2
Blu-ray burner x2
Also, if I want to overclock my 980x more what should I get? I had it stable at 3.77GHz which I hear is nothing for the i7 9xx series CPUs.
TheNamelessOne
Member
I would like to get som last suggestions on the new rig I'm close to buying. What I'm most interested in is if the components are all good, but mostly if I should get anonther GFX-card instead of a 6950.
Here's the link: http://www.inet.se/kundvagn/visa/593696/2011-07-05 (it's in swedish, but I hope you can see the different components).
Here's the link: http://www.inet.se/kundvagn/visa/593696/2011-07-05 (it's in swedish, but I hope you can see the different components).
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