"I need a New PC!" 2011 Thread of reading the OP. Seriously. [Part 2]
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ChoklitReign
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I'm looking for a PSU that's reliable in the future between $50 and $60 including shipping & no rebate. This calculator recommends 540W (and I carefully created an ideal PC), but the total amperes of every +12V is very confusing. I have my eye on this PSU. Is it safe, is it overkill, or does it suck?
Well this is the shell shocker today. It looks like a really big steal. The PSU I got is only 650 and it costs like $20 more.
http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx?cm_sp=ShellShocker-_-17-553-006-_-07222011_4
http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx?cm_sp=ShellShocker-_-17-553-006-_-07222011_4
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Am I making some kind of cardinal sin if I decide to get the Mac Mini as my HTPC instead of building my own box?
I really have no need for a disc reader. If I'm going to watch a blu-ray or DVD, I'll do it on my PS3. I'll be ripping all of my media on my vastly superior desktop to hard drives on a file server I have.
I don't really need a tuner/capture card since I don't have cable.
I wanted something with an IR Port included.
I'd like the option to bitstream (I'm awaiting to hear if this is supported in OSX or Windows, the hardware should support it).
I planned on using XBMC and possibly using MPC-HC as an external player if XBMC's picture quality was some how lacking. I'm not familiar with MPlayer OSX and if you can use things like MADVR or FFDShow. I know a lot of MPC-HC depends on Windows renderers. If Mac XBMC or MPlayer are lacking in quality, I'd just use Windows as a primary boot.
I really have no need for a disc reader. If I'm going to watch a blu-ray or DVD, I'll do it on my PS3. I'll be ripping all of my media on my vastly superior desktop to hard drives on a file server I have.
I don't really need a tuner/capture card since I don't have cable.
I wanted something with an IR Port included.
I'd like the option to bitstream (I'm awaiting to hear if this is supported in OSX or Windows, the hardware should support it).
I planned on using XBMC and possibly using MPC-HC as an external player if XBMC's picture quality was some how lacking. I'm not familiar with MPlayer OSX and if you can use things like MADVR or FFDShow. I know a lot of MPC-HC depends on Windows renderers. If Mac XBMC or MPlayer are lacking in quality, I'd just use Windows as a primary boot.
Reading impressions on the BF3 Alpha thread, it seems like dual cores really aren't going to cut it.
It looks like I'm upgrading to SB during the next Microcenter sale.
Is it worth it to try and sell my old computer, or am I wasting my time? (It's a C2D E8500 based custom build).
It looks like I'm upgrading to SB during the next Microcenter sale.
Is it worth it to try and sell my old computer, or am I wasting my time? (It's a C2D E8500 based custom build).
Laurentius
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mblitek said:
Thanks, I'll keep looking around.
In terms of GPU, leaning towards this card right now:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127565
But I'm also thinking about this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127566
Wondering if the extra $50 - $60 (after rebates) is really worth it for the 560GTX-TI over that 6850.
Wow, that does look tempting. Seems like a great PSU, and it's over 50% off after the rebate. (Not that I really trust rebates or anything, though.) I was hoping to spend a bit less on the PSU, but that's awfully tempting.
So many decisions to make!
Mr Solo Dolo
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Argon Extreme Intel Core i3 550 3.20GHz @ 4.40GHz Overclocked Bundle - £269.98
Bundle Specification
- CPU: Intel Core i3 550 3.20GHz @ 4.40GHz
- Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H55M-UD2H (Socket 1156) DDR3 Motherboard
- RAM: Kingston HyperX Blu 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel
- Cooler: Artic Cooling Freezer 7 CPU Cooler
- Artic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
Asus GeForce GTX 560 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card - £149.99
Antec TruePower New Modular 750W '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply - £84.98
Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB SATA-II 32MB Cache - OEM (HD103SJ) - £41.99
Samsung SH-S222AB/BEBE 22x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM - £16.99
Antec 300 Three Hundred Ultimate Gaming Case - Black - £47.99
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-Bit - OEM (GFC-00599) - £79.99
Thoughts?
If anyone can see any potential saving please feel free to say, i'm trying to keep all my order from http://www.overclockers.co.uk/
Bundle Specification
- CPU: Intel Core i3 550 3.20GHz @ 4.40GHz
- Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H55M-UD2H (Socket 1156) DDR3 Motherboard
- RAM: Kingston HyperX Blu 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel
- Cooler: Artic Cooling Freezer 7 CPU Cooler
- Artic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
Asus GeForce GTX 560 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card - £149.99
Antec TruePower New Modular 750W '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply - £84.98
Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB SATA-II 32MB Cache - OEM (HD103SJ) - £41.99
Samsung SH-S222AB/BEBE 22x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM - £16.99
Antec 300 Three Hundred Ultimate Gaming Case - Black - £47.99
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-Bit - OEM (GFC-00599) - £79.99
Thoughts?
If anyone can see any potential saving please feel free to say, i'm trying to keep all my order from http://www.overclockers.co.uk/
Laurentius
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SenseiJinx said:
Dang it, had just about talked myself into getting that PSU, and then reloaded the page and they were sold out. Haha. Oh well.
ChoklitReign
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What about the 2100 at 1680x1050? I'm worried.LordCanti said:
Horsemama1956
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Should be fine. Your chip when Hyper Threading is enabled is roughly equal to a Phenom II X4 at 3.5-3.7ghz.ChoklitReign said:
Broadbandito
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so are there any 6950s on newegg that can be flashed to 6970?
Im trying to put an order through and really can't decide on which 6950 2 gb to get
Im trying to put an order through and really can't decide on which 6950 2 gb to get
ChoklitReign
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Who says BF3 will support HT? Civ 5 is the ONLY game that supports HT. If BF3 bottlenecks my card even on medium settings, I waiting until I can afford an Ivy Bridge quad-core.Horsemama1956 said:
Broadbandito
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knitoe said:
so this would be one then right?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102945
I think I may done have goofed.
I got my 460GTX and took out my old 8800GT to put it in.
However, I forgot that a few years ago my old power supply died and my dad gave me his spare one.
http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?S=1170&ID=1524#Tab1
A 500W Thermaltake one. I know 450W is the min for a 460GTX but I only have 1 PCI 6-ppin plug. I had to use the joiner cable included with the gfx card to fill both 6-pin slots. The card says it needs +12V current with 24amps (?)
Is that okay? I'm afraid to turn it on ;-P
This is the card.
http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=01G-P3-1373-TR&family=GeForce 400 Series Family&sw=
I have a E8400, one SATA2 drive and a DVD drive on the system, so nothing taking too much power.
I got my 460GTX and took out my old 8800GT to put it in.
However, I forgot that a few years ago my old power supply died and my dad gave me his spare one.
http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?S=1170&ID=1524#Tab1
A 500W Thermaltake one. I know 450W is the min for a 460GTX but I only have 1 PCI 6-ppin plug. I had to use the joiner cable included with the gfx card to fill both 6-pin slots. The card says it needs +12V current with 24amps (?)
Is that okay? I'm afraid to turn it on ;-P
This is the card.
http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=01G-P3-1373-TR&family=GeForce 400 Series Family&sw=
I have a E8400, one SATA2 drive and a DVD drive on the system, so nothing taking too much power.
Horsemama1956
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Game doesn't need to support HT. If the game uses 4 threads, it will use the 4 threads on the i3. Windows handles that.ChoklitReign said:
You might be thinking of nVidia drivers which now support multithreading. Completely different thing.
sikkinixx said:
It will(should) work fine. I would buy a new PSU in the near future though.
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Broadbandito
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I'm almost just leaning towards a 6970 now
Tallshortman
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SenseiJinx said:
If you're going to go high mid range (6850), get the GTX 560 (not Ti) or the 6850.
If you're willing to spend the money it costs for a 560 Ti, just get a 6950 2GB for the same price or a 6950 1GB for $30-$40 less instead. Both 6950 versions have better performance for same price or cheaper. It's not a lot more powerful but you're getting 3-5 frames of extra performance (stock speeds) for less money.
Broadbandito
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knitoe said:
Ha, i posted the wrong one. dont even know which one I meant to at this point. I have been looking at cards for like an hour and a half now
edit: fuck it, going with HIS 6950 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161372
When Im ready to fully upgrade the machine I'll wait for bulldozer and CF another 6950 in
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103181Broadbandito said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161355
They are out of stock, but those are the original reference cards that easily unlock. A clear give away is the "AMD" label above the PCie connectors.
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What's the likelihood that a gtx 580 will drop in price around the time bf3 comes out?
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I wouldn't stress too much about whether or not you can unlock a 6950. Clock for clock, the 6950 is pretty close to a 6970 anyway. IMO, it's more important to get a card that is known to overclock well and has the cooler that you want.
550W is way way more than enough for that setup. That's why it's in the OP build.mblitek said:
The Antec BP550 is a decent enough PSU + modular at a low price.
As said above it's good. If you want a better supply, but can give up modular cables, look at the XFX Core 450 or 550W.ChoklitReign said:
HEC unit, but looks great to me. 850W (and most of it on the 12V) + modular?Kadey said:
Pretty good deal for $105.
2100 isn't comparable to the older C2D and it has HT.LordCanti said:
It's not a commonly used chip in gaming rigs for most people (A lot jumped from C2D to i5/i7 or SB).
Hopefully some people can post comparisons to the x4 and x3's.
It won't be until we have some legitimate benchmarks and minimum frames and GPU pairings that it will be clear. If the game is DESIGNED to demand 4 cores, who knows. (I know they say it does, but most of the time that's not true in real world situations)
I still think it will do decently, but only time will tell.
Pretty good. Note that the 560 is a 560(aka faster 460) and NOT the Ti version.cjtiger300 said:
When I was going to buy I nabbed the Powercolor I linked ealier since quiet and cool is important to me. If you are looking forward to playing Dirt 3 and want to save $10 that is also fine. Dual BIOS might let you unlock the shaders on the Powercolor though...Broadbandito said:
There should be at least some cross promotions, but I can't say. Maybe $20-$40?viakado said:
They might offer download codes for Origin with the purchase of new cards too, who knows.
Broadbandito
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Hazaro said:When I was going to buy I nabbed the Powercolor I linked ealier since quiet and cool is important to me. If you are looking forward to playing Dirt 3 and want to save $10 that is also fine. Dual BIOS might let you unlock the shaders on the Powercolor though...
Well I could still cancel but the powercolor 6950 2 gb I looked at has dual bios but a review said it could not unlock to 6970 shaders
Broadbandito
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Hazaro said:
Man im torn. I feel like you could do me no wrong. Some of the reviews said the powercolor iss longer too and i was afraid of itnot fitting
I was trying to rebuild my bro's old PC tonight as he needed a new CPU, RAM, and a mobo. So I bought the following from Amazon:
RAM: Corsair Intel Blue Dominator 8 GB 1600 MHz PC3-12800 240-Pin DDR3 Memory Kit CMP8GX3M4A1600C8 - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003NN4CNM/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Mobo: ASUS P8P67 PRO LGA 1155 SATA 6Gbps and USB 3.0 Supported Intel P67 DDR3 2400 ATX Motherboard - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004QF0VD6/?tag=neogaf0e-20
CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Processor 3.3GHz 6 MB Cache Socket LGA1155 - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004EBUXHQ/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Unfortunately, the DRAM light keeps going off on the board and I have also learned, from speaking with ASUS tech supports, that the RAM I attempted to install tonight is not compatible with the board.
Can someone link me some RAM and a good mobo that I can get from Amazon again that are both compatible? I really don't want another ASUS board after all the trouble I've had today.
RAM: Corsair Intel Blue Dominator 8 GB 1600 MHz PC3-12800 240-Pin DDR3 Memory Kit CMP8GX3M4A1600C8 - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003NN4CNM/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Mobo: ASUS P8P67 PRO LGA 1155 SATA 6Gbps and USB 3.0 Supported Intel P67 DDR3 2400 ATX Motherboard - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004QF0VD6/?tag=neogaf0e-20
CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Processor 3.3GHz 6 MB Cache Socket LGA1155 - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004EBUXHQ/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Unfortunately, the DRAM light keeps going off on the board and I have also learned, from speaking with ASUS tech supports, that the RAM I attempted to install tonight is not compatible with the board.
Can someone link me some RAM and a good mobo that I can get from Amazon again that are both compatible? I really don't want another ASUS board after all the trouble I've had today.
The HIS is fine. Just depends what you think is important.Broadbandito said:
I had no real interest in DIRT 3 so I nabbed what I think is the best of the coolers at that price range. (I think the Sapphire is a bit more, but uses 4 heatpipes?)
Powercolor wasn't my first choice, but the cards are very quiet at 60% fan speed.
Try with only 1 stick in the first slot (see mobo manual). See if it boots.I3rand0 said:
Shut computer off. Clear BIOS (see manual). Switch PSU to off. Hold power button for 20 seconds.
See if it works.
Alt RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231417
Dunno why you went with such expensive RAM.
Or: if you have store credit on amazon or something:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004TGJTRQ/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Sell it. Use a local classified. In Canada we have Kijiji. A friend of mine sold his C2D based comp for $400 a few months ago. People who don't know much about computers aren't the quickest to realize they're getting fleeced. Ethically though, that's up to you. Depends how well it runs.LordCanti said:
Hazaro said:
Someone in the BF3 Alpha thread was using an E8400, and he said that performance was pretty terrible. I know that one guys non-scientific observations aren't proof, but I'm starting to think that the game really was designed to take advantage of 4 cores.
If anyone wants to be a hero, I've got an E8500 @ 4ghz, and a GTX 580. If I had the BF3 alpha, I could give specifics on the performance of a system where the CPU is almost guaranteed to be the bottleneck on a quad-optimized game.
(Like anyone is going to hand over a BF3 alpha code so that we can get data)
You are buying a dead socket dualcore.Mr Solo Dolo said:
Get a system from them with a 2500K at that price.
Cut back on the PSU and change the GPU to a 6950/560 Ti
I'm aware. Like I said you can't really compare them.LordCanti said:
And I'm not too keen on internet stranger data unless there are a ton of them and they all benchmarked with FRAPS and have their system in their signature.
Best person to give a code to would be someone who has a 2600K so they can change their clocks and enable and disable HT to simulate testing. (I don't have one, but if I had a code I'd find someone who could do it)
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Yeah, like it's not the best unit in the world but it should work fine for that system. I bought one of those several years ago, and while I don't have it anymore, it's still working fine and powering a system of similar power requirements to yours.sikkinixx said:
Hazaro said:
I wasn't even going to get into whether or not HT makes a difference. I agree that it would be important information to have, but I've seen less people concerned over that, than people like me that are concerned that their older (high clocked) C2D rigs just aren't going to cut it.
I hope that in a few days, when the newness has worn off the Alpha, we'll start to see some actual performance numbers. They won't be indicative of final performance (since the graphical options are limited in the Alpha) but they should be a better indication than the speculation we've had to go on thus far.
Whelp, went with the PII 980 over sandybridge. Figured I'd pocket that extra cost for bulldozer or socket 2011. Whenever I think "quad channel", the sound for "quad damage" from QIII pops into my head. Must be a sign.
Also, after about an hour toiling with my wife to get my Venomous X installed, running @ 4.2 Ghz, Prime stable, maxing out at 44C. That's what the Hyper 212 idled at when at similar voltages. Omnom.
Also, after about an hour toiling with my wife to get my Venomous X installed, running @ 4.2 Ghz, Prime stable, maxing out at 44C. That's what the Hyper 212 idled at when at similar voltages. Omnom.
I don't know if this has been posted already, I looked through the last 3 pages and didn't see it.
It keeps getting bumped on Slickdeals and seems like a pretty good deal. Can get a Dell i5-2500/4GB RAM/Windows 7 home premium with a 21.5 inch IPS monitor for $500. Pretty sure you can upgrade that to a 24 inch IPS for a little more.
Or a i7-2600 with same monitor for $619.
Both have integrated graphics so you'd need to add a gpu, and probably a psu to support the gpu. I have no idea how upgradeable these are since I haven't bought a pre-built in years, but it seems like it's a pretty good option for some people. The monitor is really what makes think me think it's a fantastic deal. As far as I know the Dell IPS monitors are generally pretty well received.
If I'm wrong I hope someone more knowledgeable corrects me.
Edit: Yah, I upgraded to the 23 inch IPS panel to bring the i5-2500 price to $550.
It keeps getting bumped on Slickdeals and seems like a pretty good deal. Can get a Dell i5-2500/4GB RAM/Windows 7 home premium with a 21.5 inch IPS monitor for $500. Pretty sure you can upgrade that to a 24 inch IPS for a little more.
Or a i7-2600 with same monitor for $619.
Both have integrated graphics so you'd need to add a gpu, and probably a psu to support the gpu. I have no idea how upgradeable these are since I haven't bought a pre-built in years, but it seems like it's a pretty good option for some people. The monitor is really what makes think me think it's a fantastic deal. As far as I know the Dell IPS monitors are generally pretty well received.
If I'm wrong I hope someone more knowledgeable corrects me.
Edit: Yah, I upgraded to the 23 inch IPS panel to bring the i5-2500 price to $550.
You have the sickness real bad.mkenyon said:
Going to buy the K SB-E chip with 6 cores and 12 threads for like $500 + $200 mobo + 16GB if RAM then?
Yeah that's fine.WonkersTHEWatilla said:
Funny, I was thinking about this. I've worked with two of these recently.coopolon said:
The 460 Vostro offers a lot of good value, but the problem is the power supply included has 2 SATA cords and a PCI-E 6 pin. That's it. Nothing else.
If you can order the above rig with the GTX 460 (it should be an option?) then go for it.
Even without the included GTX 460, a new PSU + a standalone GTX 460 would still be a good deal imo.
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Broadbandito said:
My powercolor 6950 was def longer than specified, i had to bend my case a bit to fit it in...
Just finished installing the new PSU, she's working beautifully! It's amazing that the explosion didn't hurt anything. Also found out that I'll be getting some bonus cash on tuesday so it'll be GPU time. Today has been full of fantastic news. Thanks to all the people that helped to reassure me that everything was ok.
Hazaro said:
No, the GPU choices are weird. The highest level available is a a 6670 for an insane $200 add. I think the only option would be upgrading psu and putting a 460 in, which you should be able to do for a little over $200 if you shop around for the psu.
Edit: Oops, I apparently didn't even read your post and said the exact same thing you did.
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