"I need a New PC!" 2011 Thread of reading the OP. Seriously. [Part 2]

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Hazaro said:
You are buying a dead socket dualcore.
Get a system from them with a 2500K at that price.
Cut back on the PSU and change the GPU to a 6950/560 Ti

I'm aware. Like I said you can't really compare them.
And I'm not too keen on internet stranger data unless there are a ton of them and they all benchmarked with FRAPS and have their system in their signature.

Best person to give a code to would be someone who has a 2600K so they can change their clocks and enable and disable HT to simulate testing. (I don't have one, but if I had a code I'd find someone who could do it)
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I've got a 2600k and a 580. Somebody hook a brothaa up with a bf3 code lol
 
Does The Damn Capable Build be able to run SC2 and, later on, Diablo 3 & Battlefield 3 at 60 fps on 1920x1080 resolution? Is the GTX 460 1GB powerful enough or should I pick another card?
 
Kadey said:
You guys think a 60GB SSD is enough just for needed programs? I already have like 3TB combined amount of drives and another 2 coming for my new build but I need some input if it will help out with things.

And good news. Newegg has the fractal cases back in stock. Got one.

For my cooler I think I'm going with the Freezer Pro 13 LE or whatever.

Also I'm about to get the P67 Pro. I'll only overclock my 2600k to 4.0ghz so if I don't need the added features or whatever and I can get something for cheaper, any recommendations would be helpful.

The whole build probably won't be together for a little while as I'm checking out stuff all the time to see if I want this or that. Things can change.
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=29441089&postcount=5539
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=29434689&postcount=5487

Gotta love it.


mkenyon said:
Whelp, went with the PII 980 over sandybridge. Figured I'd pocket that extra cost for bulldozer or socket 2011. Whenever I think "quad channel", the sound for "quad damage" from QIII pops into my head. Must be a sign.

Also, after about an hour toiling with my wife to get my Venomous X installed, running @ 4.2 Ghz, Prime stable, maxing out at 44C. That's what the Hyper 212 idled at when at similar voltages. Omnom.
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i7 990X vs i7 3960X Sandy Bridge-E

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http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci...lemcisi-Core-i73960Xin-ilk-test-sonuclari.htm

EVGA should have about two LGA 2011 boards... if they ever get around to it. A few days ago they leaked an image of what looks like their dual socket iteration.

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rodrigoviola said:
Does The Damn Capable Build be able to run SC2 and, later on, Diablo 3 & Battlefield 3 at 60 fps on 1920x1080 resolution? Is the GTX 460 1GB powerful enough or should I pick another card?
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It can play SC2 on high setting, but that's about it. If you play it on ultra/extreme it starts to stutters and sometimes freezes. This is, of course, speaking from my personal experiences. I upgraded the video card to an HD Radeon 6850 and can play it on extreme with no hitches.
 
Le-mo said:
It can play SC2 on high setting, but that's about it. If you play it on ultra/extreme it starts to stutters and sometimes freezes. This is, of course, speaking from my personal experiences. I upgraded the video card to an HD Radeon 6850 and can play it on extreme with no hitches.
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460 to a 6850? I believe a 460 is better in SC2 anyways. Sounds like you had a faulty 460 if that's the card you used from the build. Did you mean a 6950?

I run it on Extreme with a 460 at 900 core, though I have an i3 540 at 4.4 so it's faster then the 2100, but it should not freeze/stutter unless you have serious hardware or software problems.
 
Horsemama1956 said:
460 to a 6850? I believe a 460 is better in SC2 anyways. Sounds like you had a faulty 460 if that's the card you used from the build. Did you mean a 6950?

I run it on Extreme with a 460 at 900 core, though I have an i3 540 at 4.4 so it's faster then the 2100, but it should not freeze/stutter unless you have serious hardware or software problems.
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Ah, I see they changed some parts in the damn capable build. When I built it it used a HD radeon 5770 card.
 
B-Dex said:
Dell is a horrible company. Don't do it.
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What makes you say this?
coopolon said:
No, the GPU choices are weird. The highest level available is a a 6670 for an insane $200 add. I think the only option would be upgrading psu and putting a 460 in, which you should be able to do for a little over $200 if you shop around for the psu.

Edit: Oops, I apparently didn't even read your post and said the exact same thing you did.
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The GTX 460 is or was an option at some point because it's listed in some diagrams for the Dell Vostro 460.
Le-mo said:
It can play SC2 on high setting, but that's about it. If you play it on ultra/extreme it starts to stutters and sometimes freezes. This is, of course, speaking from my personal experiences. I upgraded the video card to an HD Radeon 6850 and can play it on extreme with no hitches.
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SC2 and DIII should be fine. BF3 don't know yet.
Ultra settings on SC II are unoptimized as HELL and almost nothing runs them right.
Le-mo said:
Ah, I see they changed some parts in the damn capable build. When I built it it used a HD radeon 5770 card.
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Ah the 5770 is around the same price but a good 40% slower.
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i7 990X vs i7 3960X Sandy Bridge-E

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And that is without the Turbo to 3.9Ghz

Still, it's a $1,000 CPU alone so it better be better.
 
DanManIt said:
Is it worth upgrading my q8200 for a 2500k?
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Should I upgrade from my Q8200 to a i5 2500k?

In addition to the speed benefits of the processor I will gain:
1. More USB ports so that I don't have to plug and unplug certain things when I need them (or buy a USB hub)
2. ESATA (2 back 1 front), currently have 0
3. USB 3.0 (currently no use for, but nice for the future)
4. 8 GB RAM from 4
5. Room to fit all four of my HDD at once (current motherboard has some SATA ports blocked)
6. SATA 6GB/s to fully utilize my crucial SSD.

It will cost me $220 for the CPU, $180 for the motherboard (ASUS Maximus IV ROG is this good btw? I need to go microatx and I heard this one overclocks well plus it has the right angle sata ports i desperately want), $60 for the RAM. It seems like it is worth it to me, but I'm not sure if I should hold out for Ivy Bridge or not. I'm not in any huge rush, it's not like my PC is particularly slow right now

Thanks in advance for the help
 
So Gaf. I'm gonna save up cash to upgrade my computer (New PSU, Motherboard and CPU)

I also intend to do some serious PCSX2'ing and Dolphin'ing (PS2 and Gamecube emulation) on this thing.

So I'm wondering, should I go for the 2500k or the 2600k? Are the extra bucks worth it to go for the 2600k??

Edit: And if someone tells me "Just wait for Brand X model Y!" then let me tell you that I waited for Sandybridge already :p. I'd also be upgrading from a E8500 c2d so it would be a nice leap anyway.

Some nice but cheap motherboards to go with it would be nice too, so recommend away. Doubt I can do worse than my current mobo (Asus p5n-d, won't overclock for shit)
 
Easy_D said:
So Gaf. I'm gonna save up cash to upgrade my computer (New PSU, Motherboard and CPU)

I also intend to do some serious PCSX2'ing and Dolphin'ing (PS2 and Gamecube emulation) on this thing.

So I'm wondering, should I go for the 2500k or the 2600k? Are the extra bucks worth it to go for the 2600k??

Edit: And if someone tells me "Just wait for Brand X model Y!" then let me tell you that I waited for Sandybridge already :p. I'd also be upgrading from a E8500 c2d so it would be a nice leap anyway.

Some nice but cheap motherboards to go with it would be nice too, so recommend away. Doubt I can do worse than my current mobo (Asus p5n-d, won't overclock for shit)
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2500k. PCSX2 and Dolphin are only going to make use of 2 cores anyways.

As for motherboards...I'm very happy with my Gigabyte P67-UD4. I'm kind of a sucker for the current Gigabyte Z68 line, because they look sexy as hell. :P
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128498

Otherwise, you can check out the Asus P67 board:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131705

Or to save a few bucks, the AsRock P67:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157230
 
I got a 2500k and Gigabyte z68 installed yesterday to replace my Phenom II 965. Not really the most necessary upgrade but I had some money and thought what the hell. I'm going to try and hackintosh it as well.
 
LordCanti said:
We know your rig would run it fine. That wouldn't prove anything. We need data, for science.
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well yes but i cannnnn provide data for extreme science. i'm just going by what the post said and i fit the requirements :p
 
Hey gaf I know jack about sound cards and want a nice one for headphones and speakers. I have a tightly spaced pcie and a pci slot with room. Any recommendations? Price is not a concern.
 
gatti-man said:
Hey gaf I know jack about sound cards and want a nice one for headphones and speakers. I have a tightly spaced pcie and a pci slot with room. Any recommendations? Price is not a concern.
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I don't know anything about them either, is there even a point to getting them anymore?
 
Cptkrush said:
I don't know anything about them either, is there even a point to getting them anymore?
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Yes for high end headphones you need an amp to properly push them. Plus onboard still isn't great sound. I have full studio speakers in my living room and they put my pc's audio quality to shame.
 
Just found out that the 6950 won't fit into my case... This is depressing. So, should i just go for two 6870s? Or maybe a 570 if that will fit, I think i'm going to rule out the 560, from what I've heard it's on par with a single 6870. I dunno what to do anymore.
 
Slick cats don't even decode audio on their PC. Run it off your GPU through HDMi into your home theatre and enjoy the comfy couch :)

Cptkrush said:
Just found out that the 6950 won't fit into my case... This is depressing. So, should i just go for two 6870s? Or maybe a 570 if that will fit, I think i'm going to rule out the 560, from what I've heard it's on par with a single 6870. I dunno what to do anymore.
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Perhaps the GTX 560 Ti? Keep in mind the 560 and 560 Ti are two different cards.
 
Cptkrush said:
Just found out that the 6950 won't fit into my case... This is depressing. So, should i just go for two 6870s? Or maybe a 570 if that will fit, I think i'm going to rule out the 560, from what I've heard it's on par with a single 6870. I dunno what to do anymore.
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Can you remove part of your HDD cage, I'm assuming that's what is stopping you from popping in the card.
 
RS4- said:
Can you remove part of your HDD cage, I'm assuming that's what is stopping you from popping in the card.
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I might be able to cut some of it off if i can get a hold of a Dremmel. Gonna ask my friend to bring his 6950 over to see where I stand.
For reference, it's a Cooler Master Storm Scout.
 
If you're really into audio, running the digital audio to an external decoder via HDMI, or through digital audio out will sound much better than onboard audio or any out of the box sound internal card. There are no longer any benefits to any hardware accelerated audio, so the only thing that remains is the quality of the dacs, etc., and frankly, you will always do better offloading that. I literally have a box of defunct high end sound cards (Auzen X-Fi, M-Audio, E-Mu) in my hardware pile.

I run my HDMI out to a receiver, and have a hiface running digital out to a benchmark DAC-1 running headphones (for speakers and headphones, respectively). You will not be able to recreate that with any sound card. If budget is not a concern and you are an audio nut like me, let me save you many years of seeking incremental improvements.
 
Cptkrush said:
I saw that when i was checking the size, seems like my only option, I would hate to spend the extra money to go Nvidia at this point (more so, I don't want to wait another week if I don't have to)
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For the extra money you are probably better off just buying a new case that will fit the larger video cards and sticking with the 6950.
 
What do you guys think of this processor? My parents are paying for this computer (I'm a student and they consider it an education expense), so I'm trying to go as cheap as possible while still having a nice computer that can run games along the lines of TF2 and modded Obilivion on max settings.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103846



It's got a great rating with over 1,000 reviews, but I still trust GAF more.

Here is my entire build as of right now. Most parts are taken out of the $600 build.
I just changed the video card and processor.

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Shambles said:
Slick cats don't even decode audio on their PC. Run it off your GPU through HDMi into your home theatre and enjoy the comfy couch :)



Perhaps the GTX 560 Ti? Keep in mind the 560 and 560 Ti are two different cards.
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As soon as tv's display 2560x1600 I will look into that :P. I need the card for headphones too so hdmi wouldn't work but very cool idea.
 
gatti-man said:
Yes for high end headphones you need an amp to properly push them. Plus onboard still isn't great sound. I have full studio speakers in my living room and they put my pc's audio quality to shame.
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Cheap amp card would be a Xonar DG.
CrocMother said:
What do you guys think of this processor? My parents are paying for this computer (I'm a student and they consider it an education expense), so I'm trying to go as cheap as possible while still having a nice computer that can run games along the lines of TF2 and modded Obilivion on max settings.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103846



It's got a great rating with over 1,000 reviews, but I still trust GAF more.

Here is my entire build as of right now. Most parts are taken out of the $600 build.
I just changed the video card and processor.
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Need to put in an AM3 motherboard.

If you can unlock the CPU it's not a bad deal. However the 2100 works better in most games, especially if you are going to be running a low resolution. Imo it's worth the extra $33. Plus, you can upgrade down the line CPU wise to something real nice.
I'd also suggest picking up a used GTX 260 or 4870 for that price if you are comfortable with that.
 
MedIC86 said:
You should only get more memory when you notice the memory is getting full/or gives weird errors/crashes due to the memory being full.
Otherwise you will not see a performance increase with more memory.

Overclocking is always good, check the OP for info. Also you have a black edition, just crank up the ratio and see how much you can squeeze without upping the vcore.
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Okay, will do.

Question though, my RAM, according to muskin, doesn't default to 1600 mhz. I have to adjust the voltage and put in custom timings, which I have. It's rock solid, but won't overclocking the chip cause voltage issues and drop my ram to 1333 instead of 1600? Is the speed difference loss on the ram worth the speed difference gain I could get on the chip?

This is why I haven't really messed with overclocking before. I don't want my PC to blow up. lol
 
RoninChaos said:
Okay, will do.

Question though, my RAM, according to muskin, doesn't default to 1600 mhz. I have to adjust the voltage and put in custom timings, which I have. It's rock solid, but won't overclocking the chip cause voltage issues and drop my ram to 1333 instead of 1600? Is the speed difference loss on the ram worth the speed difference gain I could get on the chip?

This is why I haven't really messed with overclocking before. I don't want my PC to blow up. lol
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Anything over 1333 is not certified and thus must default to 1333Mhz tmk.
So they are in fact meant to be overclocked to 1600 and the brand (Muskin) certifies that they will run at that speed.

I run my 1333 sticks at 1333 because the 0.5-2% boost doesn't matter to me.
As for FSB:RAM ratio you can just change that around. Should be no problem running up to 1600Mhz.
 
TheExodu5 said:
2500k. PCSX2 and Dolphin are only going to make use of 2 cores anyways.

As for motherboards...I'm very happy with my Gigabyte P67-UD4. I'm kind of a sucker for the current Gigabyte Z68 line, because they look sexy as hell. :P
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128498

Otherwise, you can check out the Asus P67 board:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131705

Or to save a few bucks, the AsRock P67:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157230
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Right-o. What sort of Powersupply would be good if you're running a 2500k and a HD5870 I wonder? Will my 550w do or will I need something beefier?
 
Easy_D said:
Right-o. What sort of Powersupply would be good if you're running a 2500k and a HD5870 I wonder? Will my 550w do or will I need something beefier?
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Depends which 550w it is. A good one will work fine.
 
RoninChaos said:
Okay, will do.

Question though, my RAM, according to muskin, doesn't default to 1600 mhz. I have to adjust the voltage and put in custom timings, which I have. It's rock solid, but won't overclocking the chip cause voltage issues and drop my ram to 1333 instead of 1600? Is the speed difference loss on the ram worth the speed difference gain I could get on the chip?

This is why I haven't really messed with overclocking before. I don't want my PC to blow up. lol
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Ram speed isn't all that important, so don't worry about it. Having 1600 MHz RAM already means you're more or less guaranteed at least 1333, which is just fine. After all, a lot of people have that speed as their max. It should be able to get to 1600 MHz at the RAM's specified voltage without losing stability, though. Just a matter of whether your CPU overclock will let you get it there, as it's usually based on multiples of the BCLK. The max I can get my RAM to without exceeding 1600 is 1520, for example (190 BCLK x 4 multiplier x 2 for DDR).

Also, not sure if you mean whether increased CPU voltage for an OC will affect your RAM, as it shouldn't as far as I know (there being separate voltages for CPU and RAM). I'd just put in the specified voltage for the RAM and pick the highest multiplier / ratio that will keep it under 1600.
 
Can you not map 3.5mm input jacks on the ASRock P67 Extreme (B3) with the RealTek HD Audio Manager that is installed when installing the drivers? I remember I used to be able to with my older board, just wondering if that's no longer available.

To my surprise I just got my new monitor in and the speakers are very lack luster (not that I was hoping for much), however my older monitor has speakers that I'd like the same audio to come out from. I don't have a 3.5mm splitter, but I have plenty of cables so was hoping to map the jacks to output the same audio.
 
need your WORDS PC GAF. Going to build a PC and this is what I've got pinned down:
XWX89.jpg

+ wireless pci adapter

Comes to the total of 940 quid. Haven't priced checked it yet.

Can anyone comment if I've made any stupid mistakes (somethings not compatible etc) or general advice and words?
 
Hazaro said:
Cheap amp card would be a Xonar DG.

Need to put in an AM3 motherboard.

If you can unlock the CPU it's not a bad deal. However the 2100 works better in most games, especially if you are going to be running a low resolution. Imo it's worth the extra $33. Plus, you can upgrade down the line CPU wise to something real nice.
I'd also suggest picking up a used GTX 260 or 4870 for that price if you are comfortable with that.
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Ok I switched to the ASRock M3A770DE AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard Motherboard and put the 2100 back in.

I'm thinking that the graphics card is ok for now, as if I want to beef up my rig in the future I will likely upgrade the video card with the processor.

I don't have a lot of time to seriously game right now and have a ps3, so likely all I will be doing for a while is some TF2, some modded oblivion as I've only ever played vanilla, and in the future maybe some Old Republic.

I searched for used GTX 260s on Amazon and the cheapest I found was around $100. If all I'm doing is what I mentioned above, do you think I still need to get a different card? I don't know anything about part compatibility, so your suggestions are greatly appreciated Hazaro.
 
CrocMother said:
Ok I switched to the ASRock M3A770DE AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard Motherboard and put the 2100 back in.

I'm thinking that the graphics card is ok for now, as if I want to beef up my rig in the future I will likely upgrade the video card with the processor.

I don't have a lot of time to seriously game right now and have a ps3, so likely all I will be doing for a while is some TF2, some modded oblivion as I've only ever played vanilla, and in the future maybe some Old Republic.

I searched for used GTX 260s on Amazon and the cheapest I found was around $100. If all I'm doing is what I mentioned above, do you think I still need to get a different card? I don't know anything about part compatibility, so your suggestions are greatly appreciated Hazaro.
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Hazaro mentioned the AM3 motherboard because you had a AMD processor. Now that you switched back to the i3 2100, you need a socket 1155 motherboard, basically the motherboard you just replaced.

Rule of thumb for now AM2,3 motherboards are for AMD processors only (Athlon, Phenom)

Socket 1155 is for Intel Sandy Bridge processors (i3 2100, i5 2500k, i7 2600k, etc)

You can't use an Intel processor on an AM3 motherboard and vice versa.
 
Chinner said:
need your WORDS PC GAF. Going to build a PC and this is what I've got pinned down:
XWX89.jpg

+ wireless pci adapter

Comes to the total of 940 quid. Haven't priced checked it yet.

Can anyone comment if I've made any stupid mistakes (somethings not compatible etc) or general advice and words?
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Looks great to me. If you want to SLI in the future, you need to step that PSU up to a 900-1000w unit, but other than that, I don't see any issues (you could pick a lesser PSU in the 550-600w range and it would work fine for a single GPU build, but some people prefer to have too much power instead of just enough. It's all personal preference.)
 
DanManIt said:
Should I upgrade from my Q8200 to a i5 2500k?

In addition to the speed benefits of the processor I will gain:
1. More USB ports so that I don't have to plug and unplug certain things when I need them (or buy a USB hub)
2. ESATA (2 back 1 front), currently have 0
3. USB 3.0 (currently no use for, but nice for the future)
4. 8 GB RAM from 4
5. Room to fit all four of my HDD at once (current motherboard has some SATA ports blocked)
6. SATA 6GB/s to fully utilize my crucial SSD.

It will cost me $220 for the CPU, $180 for the motherboard (ASUS Maximus IV ROG is this good btw? I need to go microatx and I heard this one overclocks well plus it has the right angle sata ports i desperately want), $60 for the RAM. It seems like it is worth it to me, but I'm not sure if I should hold out for Ivy Bridge or not. I'm not in any huge rush, it's not like my PC is particularly slow right now

Thanks in advance for the help
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If what you have now runs what you need it to, I'd wait. Although the Q8200 is probably one of the weaker quads, and it's OCing is kind of limited due to it's really low multiplier.
 
Wowowow, is Crysis 2 supposed to set my gpu on fire (edit: not literally)? 80-84c an hour playing on my GTX580. It's Oc'd, but modestly (about 870).

Btw, thanks to Hazaro for answering my questions on the previous couple pages. You don't get thanked enough, man.
 
Chinner said:
need your WORDS PC GAF. Going to build a PC and this is what I've got pinned down:

+ wireless pci adapter

Comes to the total of 940 quid. Haven't priced checked it yet.

Can anyone comment if I've made any stupid mistakes (somethings not compatible etc) or general advice and words?
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The RAM you picked is a single 4gb stick. Get a 2x2gb kit for dual channel. And as previously mentioned, that PSU is overkill for a single GPU build.
 
Chinner said:
need your WORDS PC GAF. Going to build a PC and this is what I've got pinned down:
http://i.imgur.com/XWX89.jpg
+ wireless pci adapter

Comes to the total of 940 quid. Haven't priced checked it yet.

Can anyone comment if I've made any stupid mistakes (somethings not compatible etc) or general advice and words?
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I may be wrong, but I believe that for the best performance, you should have two sticks of RAM to take advantage of dual channel, instead of just one. So either get 2 x 2GB or 2 x 4GB.

[edit] See above.
 
How about triple channel?

Also, is 6 gb or 8 gb overkill if you're not into serious video editing but just regular gaming?
 
Chinner said:
need your WORDS PC GAF. Going to build a PC and this is what I've got pinned down:
XWX89.jpg

+ wireless pci adapter

Comes to the total of 940 quid. Haven't priced checked it yet.

Can anyone comment if I've made any stupid mistakes (somethings not compatible etc) or general advice and words?
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Where are you buying from Chinner?

Are those prices including VAT?
 
Kurashima said:
I may be wrong, but I believe that for the best performance, you should have two sticks of RAM to take advantage of dual channel, instead of just one. So either get 2 x 2GB or 2 x 4GB.

[edit] See above.
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If he's planning on dropping in another 4gb stick later, a single 4gb is fine for now. If not, I guess 2 x 2GB is theoretically faster since it's dual channel (though I can't claim to have sought out any benchmarks addressing the issue). Using those 2x2 sets, you limit yourself to 8GB total, compared to 16GB total using 4gb sticks. If you'll never need that much RAM, obviously it wouldn't matter to you.
 
LordCanti said:
Looks great to me. If you want to SLI in the future, you need to step that PSU up to a 900-1000w unit, but other than that, I don't see any issues (you could pick a lesser PSU in the 550-600w range and it would work fine for a single GPU build, but some people prefer to have too much power instead of just enough. It's all personal preference.)
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Danke, will drop the PSU down to 600w.

Edit: is there any real difference between:
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/powersupplies/ocz/ocz600mxsp-uk.html
and
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/powersupplies/novatech/nov-psu650.html
>

grrag said:
The RAM you picked is a single 4gb stick. Get a 2x2gb kit for dual channel. And as previously mentioned, that PSU is overkill for a single GPU build.
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Makes sense.

LabouredSubterfuge said:
Where are you buying from Chinner?

Are those prices including VAT?
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Novatech (but I'm going to price check). Those prices don't include VAT shamefully, but the total price I listed is VAT included.


Edit:
Monitor suggestions?
one of my friends suggested this
 
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