"I need a New PC!" 2011 Thread of reading the OP. Seriously. [Part 2]

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n0n44m said:
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So the "fiber optic everywhere" is false ? :( Our ISP over here is pretty good ... from 4 mbit 11 years ago to 120 mbit nowadays over the same copper cable :p

Problem is we live in a newly built house so we had the option of having fiber optics dug and laid at our place but it cost something ridiculous to do so. So we're stuck with an ISP that is honest to god worse than the one I had 8 years ago.

But with that said, there's 1000mbs connections rolling out in stockholm for like the same price I pay for 4/0.5.

edit : lol you re-read your post and realized you had 4mbit 11 years ago. That's virtually what I have now, combined with horrible downtime constantly.
 
So which soundcard shall i get to get 5.1 from games to a 5.1 receiver?
I can only get DTS or DD from supported films and not from games. Need to have optical or coaxial support obviously.

Looking for the cheapest but good option. (up to £50)
 
Caerith said:
Ah, you're missing out. But still, even if I wouldn't recommend the 60GB, I'm glad it's going for so cheap and hope it pulls down SSD prices across the board.

That'd be nice. I paid AUD$173 for my 60GB Vertex 2 (inc. delivery) back in March.

... :(
 
Kyaw said:
So which soundcard shall i get to get 5.1 from games to a 5.1 receiver?
I can only get DTS or DD from supported films and not from games. Need to have optical or coaxial support obviously.

Looking for the cheapest but good option. (up to £50)

any soundcard with an optical output should do for movies, one with Dolby Digital Live will help you enjoy 5.1 from games as well (my Club3D Theatron was pretty cheap, they have that one in the UK as well?) edit: Yes ... bit basic card, never use the analog stuff on it lol, but it does the Dolby Digital Live pretty well (also under Windows 7) Hell you can have mine for ~€10 postal costs , don't use it anymore now everything is HDMI here

Heppell said:
Hey GAF what program do i need to use that lets me play BluRay movies as i got a new PC and window ,edia player doesnt work

(paid) software like PowerDVD / WinDVD / TotalMedia Theatre , normal software like media player and so on isn't protected enough to be allowed to play Blu-Rays or something :p

Corky said:
Problem is we live in a newly built house so we had the option of having fiber optics dug and laid at our place but it cost something ridiculous to do so. So we're stuck with an ISP that is honest to god worse than the one I had 8 years ago.

What's the point of a socialist paradise if it doesn't subsidize fiber optic lines ? disappointed in you Sweden ;D
 
n0n44m said:
any soundcard with an optical output should do for movies, one with Dolby Digital Live will help you enjoy 5.1 from games as well (my Club3D Theatron was pretty cheap, they have that one in the UK as well?) edit: Yes ... bit basic card, never use the analog stuff on it lol, but it does the Dolby Digital Live pretty well (also under Windows 7)

That's actually quite cheap. Do you know any other cards from Asus or Creative?
And it says the card does DDL AC3, does it mean it's worse than DTS Connect or something?
 
Kyaw said:
That's actually quite cheap. Do you know any other cards from Asus or Creative?
And it says the card does DDL AC3, does it mean it's worse than DTS Connect or something?

Asus has nice cards but the last time I checked all the ones with DDLive/DTS Connect were the more expensive ones, Creative offers DDLive through some paid driver "DLC" but the one time I tried it at a cousin wasn't a success. Check their sites to see if anything has changed ;)

DDLive is the same as DTS Connect AFAIK ... difference in quality between DD and DTS in movies is usually because of better mastering for the latter, not because DTS is a better codec than DD (that's what I read at least lol)

again, you can have mine as I don't use it anymore, send me a PM/steam message if you're interested
 
DTS in movies are fine as they will be passed through anyway as the receiver can decode it but the games only ouput 2.0 PCM, yes?

I've just moved so i haven't got my main rig setup yet. And i only have a 3g internet dongle so my internet access is limited. I'll talk to you on steam after everything is setup.
 
this is my current pc
i7 920
2xgtx 570
3x2 ddr3 1333mhz rams
evga tri sli

i have a bottleneck issues and i tried to fix it by ocing my cpu (i have an old noctua fan but it was the best when i bought it) but my cpu crushes when i overclock it to 3.6 or beyond (its the old 920 btw, can't overclock to 4.0 anyway).

i was thinking of upgrading to 2500k (i heard there is not difference between 2500k and 2600k in gaming).
should i upgrade to sandy bridge should i wait for the upcoming cpu's (when are they coming btw?)
thanks
 
Ok, Gaf tell me if my motherboard is broken. I don't want to spend $100+ on a new one then later finding out it wasn't the problem. My computer was working fine when one day it decided to stop recognizing my harddrive. When I turn on the computer a message that says "No hard disk detected" would show up. I've attempted to format the harddrive, but of course that didn't work since no hard disk was detected. The thing that confuses me is that the harddrive is detected in the BIOS. I've done plenty of tweaking in the BIOS to no avail. I also switched connections around between the multiple SATA ports on the board.

I've ruled out the possibility of a faulty harddrive since I tested it out on my brother's computer and it worked fine. What does gaf think?
 
Kyaw said:
DTS in movies are fine as they will be passed through anyway as the receiver can decode it but the games only ouput 2.0 PCM, yes?

I've just moved so i haven't got my main rig setup yet. And i only have a 3g internet dongle so my internet access is limited. I'll talk to you on steam after everything is setup.

yes games can only output in PCM, and PCM is limited to 2.0 over optical, so they would only output 2.0 sound

to avoid this, DDLive and DTS-Connect compresses the 5.1 PCM games generate into 5.1 DD/DTS on the fly, which can be transported by optical just like the DD/DTS tracks in movies.

Therefore the Windows speaker config is set to 5.1 instead of 2.0 when you enable it, and games then generate the 5.1 PCM you need
 
Q8D3vil said:
this is my current pc
i7 920
2xgtx 570
3x2 ddr3 1333mhz rams
evga tri sli

i have a bottleneck issues and i tried to fix it by ocing my cpu (i have an old noctua fan but it was the best when i bought it) but my cpu crushes when i overclock it to 3.6 or beyond (its the old 920 btw, can't overclock to 4.0 anyway).

i was thinking of upgrading to 2500k (i heard there is not difference between 2500k and 2600k in gaming).
should i upgrade to sandy bridge should i wait for the upcoming cpu's (when are they coming btw?)
thanks

Just in games. 2500k is pretty much equal to 2600k. I think I'll start ordering new components this weekend. Still kinda on the fence on what to order though. 2500k + 580 seems interesting but I'll have to see about that.
Not sure there is anything new coming to the market really. At least in the near future.

http://semiaccurate.com/2011/06/28/new-processor-10x-as-effective-as-sandy-bridge/

I know Intel wants to lower the prices of cpu's this september so could be tempting to wait but it was mainly their budget cpu's. Didn't see 2500k or 2600k on that list.

http://www.cpu-world.com//news_2011..._on_Sandy_Bridge_desktop_CPUs_in_Q3_2011.html

Edit: What do people think about Inno3D GeForce GTX 580 HAWK Edition? I've noticed you can get it cheap for 379€ and performance reviews show it's actually better than the default 580.

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/revie...dition-graphics-card-review-introduction.html

Edit: Also just noticed that in that link they had 3GB version. I assume the HAWK edition I'm talking about has the same peformance as the normal card so my question is still valid.
 
Ah the bliss of my broadband.

We pay for 24
We get 11
We receive 4
We usually have :

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And like I said, people in central Stockholm are getting speeds of more than a thousand times better for roughly the same amount of money.
 
Tallshortman said:
What's your budget for a GPU? Your CPU is fine for gaming, just wanted to make sure you weren't going to get noticeably bottlenecked. Best mid-tier value-performance solutions I'd say are 460 1GB and 6850. Both are about the same price ~$140 after rebate.
I guess that depends on if I'm going to crossfire/SLI or not.

$200-$400 perhaps?
 
abuC said:
I'm looking at the Silverstone tj07, does anyone have experience with their cases?

SilverStone was started by the people from CoolerMaster's old ATCS division (not coincidentally, CM's cases have become much worse, especially in stylistic design, since then). Their high-end cases (Temjin and Fortress series for towers) are very good - I would say they probably have the some of the best construction quality of any case out there, just like the old CM ATCS cases (sorry, Lian-Li fans, but having owned both, those ATC cases were made with thicker aluminum, felt more solid, and looked better too). They're not cheap, and most of them are not recent designs so may be lacking a few niceties that newer cases provide, but they're exceedingly quality cases, and they do try to innovate with their designs (FT-02 and -03 are great examples). I personally love the TJ07 - it's quite possibly my favorite non-OEM case since the CoolerMaster ATC-220 from a decade ago. I absolutely love the single piece aluminum top/front/bottom design, and if it wasn't for the fact that it still costs $300+ (and that I really don't need a full tower), it would be the case I'm using. But I scored a great deal on it's little brother (the FT-01), and while I wish it had a CPU cutout hole and a little more space for cable routing, I still absolutely love it.
 
Tea and Toast said:
Right, P.C built but it's not posting. I've checked the ram and cpu.. What's my next port of call?
CPU fan and 8-pin power are plugged in right?

It comes on but doesn't post? Any motherboard lights or beeps?

By checking RAM I assume you mean you tried each stick individually and still didn't get anywhere?
 
gokieks said:
SilverStone was started by the people from CoolerMaster's old ATCS division (not coincidentally, CM's cases have become much worse, especially in stylistic design, since then). Their high-end cases (Temjin and Fortress series for towers) are very good - I would say they probably have the some of the best construction quality of any case out there, just like the old CM ATCS cases (sorry, Lian-Li fans, but having owned both, those ATC cases were made with thicker aluminum, felt more solid, and looked better too). They're not cheap, and most of them are not recent designs so may be lacking a few niceties that newer cases provide, but they're exceedingly quality cases, and they do try to innovate with their designs (FT-02 and -03 are great examples). I personally love the TJ07 - it's quite possibly my favorite non-OEM case since the CoolerMaster ATC-220 from a decade ago. I absolutely love the single piece aluminum top/front/bottom design, and if it wasn't for the fact that it still costs $300+ (and that I really don't need a full tower), it would be the case I'm using. But I scored a great deal on it's little brother (the FT-01), and while I wish it had a CPU cutout hole and a little more space for cable routing, I still absolutely love it.

I really wish they would update the FT-01. It was one of my main picks for my current PC.
 
Le-mo said:
Ok, Gaf tell me if my motherboard is broken. I don't want to spend $100+ on a new one then later finding out it wasn't the problem. My computer was working fine when one day it decided to stop recognizing my harddrive. When I turn on the computer a message that says "No hard disk detected" would show up. I've attempted to format the harddrive, but of course that didn't work since no hard disk was detected. The thing that confuses me is that the harddrive is detected in the BIOS. I've done plenty of tweaking in the BIOS to no avail. I also switched connections around between the multiple SATA ports on the board.

I've ruled out the possibility of a faulty harddrive since I tested it out on my brother's computer and it worked fine. What does gaf think?

Most likely a dead SATA controller. Do you have a first run Sandy Bridge motherboard? The SATA2 ports on mine died.
 
chaosblade said:
CPU fan and 8-pin power are plugged in right?

It comes on but doesn't post? Any motherboard lights or beeps?

By checking RAM I assume you mean you tried each stick individually and still didn't get anywhere?


Everything lights up inside bu no beeps. Tried both sticks of ram individually in all slots. All fans are connected and come on. The motherboard has a display which shows "d6" on it. Something to do with the output device apparantly.The mobo is an asrock extreme4
 
Hey guys, I would like to get some info on what your GPU temps typically are at "idle" and under full load.

I am most interested in GTX580 numbers cause that what I got but in general is fine.

I would like some reassurance that I am cooling the beasts properly!
 
DennisK4 said:
Hey guys, I would like to get some info on what your GPU temps typically are at "idle" and under full load.

I am most interested in GTX580 numbers cause that what I got but in general is fine.

I would like some reassurance that I am cooling the beasts properly!

I don't have 580s but for what it's worth, I'm running sli as well and the lower card is always a couple of degrees hotter, 5 C on avg.

Idle temps are 30/31, load temps with overclock are around 69/74

edit : case, 600T
 
DennisK4 said:
Hey guys, I would like to get some info on what your GPU temps typically are at "idle" and under full load.

I am most interested in GTX580 numbers cause that what I got but in general is fine.

I would like some reassurance that I am cooling the beasts properly!
I have a Corsair 600T with stock fans and get 40 idle 90 load.
 
I am currently using one GTX580 full bore to render a 3D scene with a GPU rendering program and temp at full load seems stable at 76C.

Like Corky above, my lower card is a little hotter.

By the way CGI GAF, the speed increase with GPU as opposed to CPU rendering is absolutely blowing my mind! There is no turning back! And I have only enabled one GPU!
 
DennisK4 said:
Hey guys, I would like to get some info on what your GPU temps typically are at "idle" and under full load.

I am most interested in GTX580 numbers cause that what I got but in general is fine.

I would like some reassurance that I am cooling the beasts properly!

If you makes you feel better I have 2 GTX470s in SLI and they run at about 88C under load. Under Furmark they'll break 100C. Unless your reaching those temps I wouldn't be worried at all. Max temp for the 580 is 97C
 
DennisK4 said:
I am currently using one GTX580 full bore to render a 3D scene with a GPU rendering program and temp at full load seems stable at 76C.

Like Corky above, my lower card is a little hotter.

Nice, are you using aftermarket coolers on your gpus?
 
·feist· said:
Yet another reason why Newegg should never be an exclusive/primary source for products.

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ASUS MARS II/2DIS/3GD5 GeForce GTX 580x2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121470

Again with the mandatory "you have to make an additional purchase before we'll allow you to give us your money for the item you actually want" approach.


And at that price Asus still pairs 1.5GB RAM with each 580 core. smh

makes no sense to get that when you could get 2 580 MSI Lightning Xtreme's with 3GB of RAM for $1,200 and still come out $300 cheaper.

Guess you're paying more for the "prestige" of having this card over anything else.
 
Smokey said:
And at that price Asus still pairs 1.5GB RAM with each 580 core. smh
I turned down the Mars II for exactly that reason.

And went with two 3GB cards instead. Seriously, at that price 1.5GB per GPU is criminal.

And I did read your PM.
 
Smokey said:
And at that price Asus still pairs 1.5GB RAM with each 580 core. smh

:P you think 1499 is bad? I was contemplating buying one of these and realized they cost 2200 usd here :D, I'd rather keep my kidney(s).
 
Smokey said:
And at that price Asus still pairs 1.5GB RAM with each 580 core. smh

makes no sense to get that when you could get 2 580 MSI Lightning Xtreme's with 3GB of RAM for $1,200 and still come out $300 cheaper.

Guess you're paying more for the "prestige" of having this card over anything else.

Well if you wanted Quad 580s in a 6 slot case then this is the only thing that will work. So i guess there IS a market for this albeit a stupid one.
 
DennisK4 said:
I turned down the Mars II for exactly that reason.

And went with two 3GB cards instead. Seriously, at that price 1.5GB per GPU is criminal.

And I did read your PM.

Ah cool. I was just curious on what to use to really push the system.

Corky said:
:P you think 1499 is bad? I was contemplating buying one of these and realized they cost 2200 usd here :D, I'd rather keep my kidney(s).

Not that it's "bad" as the price and worth of an item varies from person to person. It's more of the design choice of the card. The people in the market to buy this are the hardest of the core and they probably have other equipment that is equally as high end. For that reason it makes zero sense to pair the 580s with 1.5GB of RAM when one could SLI the most expensive single 580 solution (with 3GB of RAM) and come out with better performance, and even use the extra $300 that was saved to put towards another 580 for a Tri-SLI 3GB setup.
 
What are the best benchmarking programs for GPUs?

I can't seem to push temps higher than 76C and I thought maybe some test can push it more.
 
Smokey said:
Ah cool. I was just curious on what to use to really push the system.



Not that it's "bad" as the price and worth of an item varies from person to person. It's more of the design choice of the card. The people in the market to buy this are the hardest of the core and they probably have other equipment that is equally as high end. For that reason it makes zero sense to pair the 580s with 1.5GB of RAM when one could SLI the most expensive single 580 solution (with 3GB of RAM) and come out with better performance, and eve use the extra $300 that was saved to put towards another 580 for a Tri-SLI 3GB setup.

Oh for sure, it's just for the cost of one asus mars you can get 4 gtx 580s, here, so I do think the pricing is absurd. Take the 590 for example, it costs as much as or sometimes even less than two 570s.
 
MrKnives said:
Just in games. 2500k is pretty much equal to 2600k. I think I'll start ordering new components this weekend. Still kinda on the fence on what to order though. 2500k + 580 seems interesting but I'll have to see about that.
Not sure there is anything new coming to the market really. At least in the near future.

http://semiaccurate.com/2011/06/28/new-processor-10x-as-effective-as-sandy-bridge/

I know Intel wants to lower the prices of cpu's this september so could be tempting to wait but it was mainly their budget cpu's. Didn't see 2500k or 2600k on that list.

http://www.cpu-world.com//news_2011..._on_Sandy_Bridge_desktop_CPUs_in_Q3_2011.html

Edit: What do people think about Inno3D GeForce GTX 580 HAWK Edition? I've noticed you can get it cheap for 379€ and performance reviews show it's actually better than the default 580.

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/revie...dition-graphics-card-review-introduction.html

Edit: Also just noticed that in that link they had 3GB version. I assume the HAWK edition I'm talking about has the same peformance as the normal card so my question is still valid.
so nothing new on the upcoming 6 cores :/
the good thing is my upgrade won't cost me alot
cpu + rams + motherboard + maybe new fan = good to go
 
Q8D3vil said:
so nothing new on the upcoming 6 cores :/
the good thing is my upgrade won't cost me alot
cpu + rams + motherboard + maybe new fan = good to go

I'm watching your setup and I feel it should almost run everything you want. Why do you want to upgrade? Just the bottlenect problem or are you having any serious performance issues because of it?

Edit: Didn't see the lower part of your post ^_^
 
DennisK4 said:
What are the best benchmarking programs for GPUs?

I can't seem to push temps higher than 76C and I thought maybe some test can push it more.

furmark / OCCT for absolute mad temperatures, but these are not really benchmarks more like killer stress tests

Heaven Benchmark 2.5 with max settings should max out any setup in a more realistic way

76c under load seems good
also my GTX480@580 performance level maxes out at 40 to 45 degrees Celsius depending on water/ambient temperature :p

and the MARS cards are not really supposed to make sense anyway, they are engineering projects produced in very limited amounts (2000 units I believe?). The publicity Asus gets is probably the only reason why they make these things lol

@Q8D3vil AMD Bulldozer is going to be reveiled in about 2 weeks I believe. Might bring something interesting to the table, might be epic fail who knows. New Intel platform is coming either late this year or early next year but is going to be much more expensive than the current Sandy Bridge platform (both the processors and the boards). Personally I doubt there will be anything in the future that offers as much value for money as a 2500K+board+ram combo offers at the moment :)
 
is it normal for my motherboard to be 128 degrees Celsius?

also in the bios screen it says i have 8gb 1333, but i bought the same ram my friend has.
the corsair one 8gb vengeance with 1600.
 
Omiee said:
is it normal for my motherboard to be 128 degrees Celsius?

it probably isn't , the software can't read the sensor correctly probably (and your pc wouldn't be stable)

go into bios and check it under "PC Health" or something like that

Omiee said:
also in the bios screen it says i have 8gb 1333, but i bought the same ram my friend has.
the corsair one 8gb vengeance with 1600.

you probably have to set the memory clockspeed manually by selecting the 1600 option/divider whatever your motherboard manufacturer calls it
 
I'm watching your setup and I feel it should almost run everything you want. Why do you want to upgrade? Just the bottlenect problem or are you having any serious performance issues because of it?

Edit: Didn't see the lower part of your post ^_^
damn bottleneck, when i run crysis 2 i get like 50-60 fps without full load on my gpus ( both on 70 %), i also have this issue with other games like metro 2033.
also, i'm suspecting that some of the rams are dying because some time windows shows only 4 gb are working then i have to shut down the pc for a while then turn it on to recognize all of the rams.
 
n0n44m said:
it probably isn't , the software can't read the sensor correctly probably (and your pc wouldn't be stable)

go into bios and check it under "PC Health" or something like that



you probably have to set the memory clockspeed manually by selecting the 1600 option/divider whatever your motherboard manufacturer calls it


Im using that speccy thing or what ever and it said 128 degrees celcius.

Also where do i select the clock speed manually? I have a asus p8p67 evo
 
Omiee said:
Im using that speccy thing or what ever and it said 128 degrees celcius.

Also where do i select the clock speed manually? I have a asus p8p67 evo
In the bios, does it say 128C for MB?

Change memory: bios>Advanced mode>AI tweaker>memory frequency.
 
I'm holding out for the BitFenix Merc to go on sale anywhere. The Shinobi looks pretty nice though! I love their clean look and the attachments for headphones/USB on the top of the case.
 
Ran the Unigine Benchmark @ 2560 x 1600, 8XAA, All settings at max with Extreme Tessellation....

....getting a perfectly playable 40 fps real-time....


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