"I need a New PC!" 2011 Thread of reading the OP. Seriously. [Part 2]

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ShadyLurker said:
1 Year warranty on everything. Better than nothing I guess.



Their build service comes with the same warranty, and you get to pick your own parts. I picked a rather expensive case, but you could save money there. Otherwise I tried to follow their build guide (I did swap in a more reasonably priced cooler though). Edit: Accidentally picked a Green HDD instead of a black SSD (5400RPM vs 7200RPM) if you were to go SSD, you wouldn't need the extra speed.

For the same $1200, you can have basically the same build with an SSD if you so desire. Unless I'm missing something.

The pre-selected build isn't horribly overpriced or anything, but they've made some expensive decisions that don't really give you any benefit. The first of these is going for a Z68 motherboard instead of a cheaper P67 model (very small performance difference, if any, as long as you don't need onboard video or SSD caching). They've also used an expensive liquid cooler, that doesn't really offer any (non-visual) benefits over the much cheaper Cooler Master Hyper 212+. You didn't list a case, but I'm guessing it wasn't the greatest case ever made. You could probably drop down from the $100+ model I picked, and save $40 or so right there.

Basically, since you can pick your own components (or we could pick them, lol) there really isn't a reason to go with a pre-configured model. They'll build and test the rig either way for $50, and that comes with the same warranty.
 
Don't buy a SATA II SSD if you are getting a SATA III motherboard. I think the Crucial M4 128 GB is pretty close in price to the Intel 320. Get the M4
 
squicken said:
Don't buy a SATA II SSD if you are getting a SATA III motherboard. I think the Crucial M4 128 GB is pretty close in price to the Intel 320. Get the M4
Sata II drive is fine if you don't want to cough up all the dough. Just means it's under 320MB/s or so which a lot of SSD's are already.
 
LordCanti said:


Well that's nice to know. I'll go through and revise some choices of my own and come back tomorrow with a different build. I've been up all night pondering this :lol. Though one disadvantage is that I'd have to do the OC myself. I think I could do it (with some help here most likely), it's just the prospect of being a total noob and attempting to mess with expensive electronics worries me.
 
OK, if I go with the CoolerMaster HAF 912, should I add any additional fans? I do plan on overclocking the cpu at least and will be using a Corsair H60 cooling set up.

EDIT: This is what I get for looking. What is the opinion on the Raidmax Helios? I like that it has the slide out filter under the psu and it comes with 4 120 mm fans. That sounds like plenty of ventilation.

EDIT2: And I still like the Zalman Z9 a lot. Would you wait 2 weeks for a case???
 
All other things being equal, for java compiling, video play
Code:
back, some encoding, and some gaming/emulation, which would be recommended?

i5-2500k @ $180
i7-2600k @ $200

Thanks in advance :)
 
The 2600k. Hyperthreading will come in handy for the code compiling and video encoding. And in your case the premium is only $20.

Edit: Elaborated a little.
 
Thank you Zaraki :-)

Hi guys,

I think my old graphics card (5750) has started to make some really odd noises, or the fan has at least - I don't play an awful lot of games, but do need a card which supports two monitors... do I try and fix my card, or replace the fan, or just throw it and get a new one? If so, any recommendations for a good 'bang for your buck' card please?

Also, I run some virtual machines (up to 5 at a time) on just 3 hard drives, would I benefit much if I ran them all from a single SSD? Or 3 on 1 SSD and 1 on each regular SATA hard drive I have?

Ty!
 
I think it's time to upgrade my video card from a 5770. Thinking of getting either the 6950, 6970 or a GTX 570. I could just get a 6770 and crossfire it with my 5770 but it would probably just increase the performance to the levels of one of those other cards and use way more power and heat up more.

I have
Phenom II X4
8gb ram
650 watt PSU

I'm leaning towards the GTX 570 but a friend told me I could have performance issues because I have an AMD chipset. I've never heard of anyone having problems with Nvidia cards in AMD systems though so he's probably wrong.

What would you guys suggest I get?
 
tbh, i think you'd see more of a gain jumping from your Phenom setup to Intel and Sandy Bridge than just switching graphics cards.

i'm pretty sure my old Q6600 @ 3ghz is better if not equivalent to your rig now, and i noticed a nice bump with the same graphics card (a GTX460) on all my games at 1080p when i upgraded to a 4.3ghz overclock on an i5 chip.
 
squicken said:
Don't buy a SATA II SSD if you are getting a SATA III motherboard. I think the Crucial M4 128 GB is pretty close in price to the Intel 320. Get the M4

Hazaro said:
Sata II drive is fine if you don't want to cough up all the dough. Just means it's under 320MB/s or so which a lot of SSD's are already.

Yeah, it's completely fine. The difference is not really noticeable in real world usage.
 
LordCanti said:
\Edit: Accidentally picked a Green HDD instead of a black SSD (5400RPM vs 7200RPM) if you were to go SSD, you wouldn't need the extra speed.
The activity of the head is a bigger issue than the speed. Green drives park their heads a lot quicker than the others to reduce power, but this will cause the HDD to wear out more quickly. Fine as a storage drive, but not as a primary one.

I think feist actually posted something about that recently.

I think it's time to upgrade my video card from a 5770. Thinking of getting either the 6950, 6970 or a GTX 570. I could just get a 6770 and crossfire it with my 5770 but it would probably just increase the performance to the levels of one of those other cards and use way more power and heat up more.

I have
Phenom II X4
8gb ram
650 watt PSU

I'm leaning towards the GTX 570 but a friend told me I could have performance issues because I have an AMD chipset. I've never heard of anyone having problems with Nvidia cards in AMD systems though so he's probably wrong.

What would you guys suggest I get?
Don't see any reason not to go with a 570 if it's an option. Pretty sure it's a better value than a 6970. NVidia cards work fine with AMD hardware.

tbh, i think you'd see more of a gain jumping from your Phenom setup to Intel and Sandy Bridge than just switching graphics cards.
Only going to happen if he is playing CPU heavy games like GTA4 or SC2. Phenom II x4 is fine and won't bottleneck a GPU (except maybe a 580 or a high end SLI/CF config), especially if it's OC'd.

I think my old graphics card (5750) has started to make some really odd noises, or the fan has at least - I don't play an awful lot of games, but do need a card which supports two monitors... do I try and fix my card, or replace the fan, or just throw it and get a new one? If so, any recommendations for a good 'bang for your buck' card please?
Try cleaning out the fan first, if that doesn't help it should be under warranty, it's not that old.

If you do get a new card, the 560 Ti is probably the best bang for buck at about $220ish after rebate. Considering your previous card, you may not want to spend that much, so a 460 1GB would be a good choice (avoid the SE (slow edition) models though).

OK, if I go with the CoolerMaster HAF 912, should I add any additional fans? I do plan on overclocking the cpu at least and will be using a Corsair H60 cooling set up.

EDIT: This is what I get for looking. What is the opinion on the Raidmax Helios? I like that it has the slide out filter under the psu and it comes with 4 120 mm fans. That sounds like plenty of ventilation.

EDIT2: And I still like the Zalman Z9 a lot. Would you wait 2 weeks for a case???
HAF 912 is okay on it's own, if you're going to add more fans just get a better case like the Corsair Carbide 400r. Good 120/140mm fans aren't cheap (~$15+ each usually).

Airflow isn't really important for CPU cooling anyway if you're using a Hydro cooler, unless you're just hellbent on using the fans on the rad for exhaust. So you should be fine with the 912 anyway.
 
So I just upgraded my C2D to an i7 2600k. Great upgrade seeing how I've had my C2D for 4 years now. (Was an E6700 2.66 GHz @ 3.2 GHz)

Now I'm looking to replace my GTX 275 seeing how it can struggle with a handful of games and it's not DX11. I was contemplating on getting a GTX 580 or maybe a Radeon 6970. Alternatively, I can wait for 6 months, and see what the next round of cards bring, but I'm itching to upgrade now.

(On a side note, the Radeon 5970 seems like a great card, but I'm not sure i can deal with the micro-stuttering than can happen with dual gpu solutions.)

Guess I'm just tossing this out there to see what you guys think.
 
datamage said:
So I just upgraded my C2D to an i7 2600k. Great upgrade seeing how I've had my C2D for 4 years now. (Was an E6700 2.66 GHz @ 3.2 GHz)

Now I'm looking to replace my GTX 275 seeing how it can struggle with a handful of games and it's not DX11. I was contemplating on getting a GTX 580 or maybe a Radeon 6970. Alternatively, I can wait for 6 months, and see what the next round of cards bring, but I'm itching to upgrade now.

(On a side note, the Radeon 5970 seems like a great card, but I'm not sure i can deal with the micro-stuttering than can happen with dual gpu solutions.)

Guess I'm just tossing this out there to see what you guys think.
If you can wait, do it. The move to 28nm will probably bring a pretty nice performance jump with it, especially if those supposed specs for the 7000 series are accurate. That should launch sometime within the next few months.
 
Avoid dual-GPU...especially the 5970, which has had abysmal Crossfire profile support. If you must go dual-GPU, then I would stick with NVidia.

Otherwise, the GTX 580 is a pretty large upgrade over the GTX 275 (~80%). Whether that's worth $500 is up to you. If you think you want a bigger jump than that, then best wait for the next release of GPUs.
 
Man I have two brand new 560tis that I am no longer using since I switched to 580s..


They were literally in my rig for a week before I took them out, and I have no one to sell it to :(
 
ChiefKief said:
Man I have two brand new 560tis that I am no longer using since I switched to 580s..


They were literally in my rig for a week before I took them out, and I have no one to sell it to :(

Hah, wow. 560 Ti SLI wasn't enough? :o
 
ChiefKief said:
Man I have two brand new 560tis that I am no longer using since I switched to 580s..


They were literally in my rig for a week before I took them out, and I have no one to sell it to :(

I just put one in my system. You really trying to get rid of them? PM me.
 
scorcho said:
where did you find the 2600k for only $200?
At microcenter
2600k w/ z68 mobo gets you $80 off the normal price of $280
2500k w/ z68 mobo gets you $00 off the normal price of $180

h67 and z68 sli matx mobos are at a price parity, so virtually $200 for 2600k or $15 for a mobo
 
rykomatsu said:
At microcenter
2600k w/ z68 mobo gets you $80 off the normal price of $280
2500k w/ z68 mobo gets you $00 off the normal price of $180

h67 and z68 sli matx mobos are at a price parity, so virtually $200 for 2600k or $15 for a mobo

<3 MicroCenter. I got my 2500k and Gigabyte P67 from there for $275 or so.
 
scorcho said:
tbh, i think you'd see more of a gain jumping from your Phenom setup to Intel and Sandy Bridge than just switching graphics cards.

i'm pretty sure my old Q6600 @ 3ghz is better if not equivalent to your rig now, and i noticed a nice bump with the same graphics card (a GTX460) on all my games at 1080p when i upgraded to a 4.3ghz overclock on an i5 chip.
When my processor starts to become an issue I'll overclock it. Overclocked it can get near 4ghz.

My PC is also super loud (people can hear it through my mic when i play online games) but only when playing games so I assume it's the fan on the video card. That's another reason why I want to upgrade.
 
Gaaraz said:
Thank you Zaraki :-)

Hi guys,

I think my old graphics card (5750) has started to make some really odd noises, or the fan has at least - I don't play an awful lot of games, but do need a card which supports two monitors... do I try and fix my card, or replace the fan, or just throw it and get a new one? If so, any recommendations for a good 'bang for your buck' card please?

Also, I run some virtual machines (up to 5 at a time) on just 3 hard drives, would I benefit much if I ran them all from a single SSD? Or 3 on 1 SSD and 1 on each regular SATA hard drive I have?

Ty!
For what it's worth, this is the PC I have, but with a 500W Antec PSU and 8GB RAM. Would an SSD drive be okay in that?

Thanks again
 
Crucial m4 64GB is on sale for $88 in Canada. If you want a cheap way to get into SSDs, this is it! Use coupon code COLLEGETOUR11.

Crucial-m4-128GB.jpg


http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148441
 
Question for y'all.

I'm still running an e6750 core 2 duo with 4 gigs of ram. While I've been meaning to upgrade to Sandy before you know IVY is going to be out next year, and it feels like doing a full sandy build is just a waste of time and inefficient holdover.

Is grabbing a Q6600/2.33 quad and OCing for now and waiting for Ivy to hit next year a good, efficient way to go here? Just wondering what builders' thoughts on this is.
 
Davidion said:
Question for y'all.

I'm still running an e6750 core 2 duo with 4 gigs of ram. While I've been meaning to upgrade to Sandy before you know IVY is going to be out next year, and it feels like doing a full sandy build is just a waste of time and inefficient holdover.

Is grabbing a Q6600/2.33 quad and OCing for now and waiting for Ivy to hit next year a good, efficient way to go here? Just wondering what builders' thoughts on this is.
Do you really need to upgrade? Seems like you would be better off just waiting it out with your current CPU. If that is holding you back in some applications you really want/need to use then you might be better off just getting SB now. It's not like 2500k will be piece of useless old hardware once IB launches, it's still a great performer and should last you a few years.

Of course, I'm waiting for Ivy Bridge myself, but I don't feel any immediate urge to upgrade
except for Dolphin :(
. My current CPU was just to hold me over anyway after my previous one died, and I had hoped I could use my AM3 mobo for Bulldozer but we see how that worked out...
 
Davidion said:
Question for y'all.

I'm still running an e6750 core 2 duo with 4 gigs of ram. While I've been meaning to upgrade to Sandy before you know IVY is going to be out next year, and it feels like doing a full sandy build is just a waste of time and inefficient holdover.

Is grabbing a Q6600/2.33 quad and OCing for now and waiting for Ivy to hit next year a good, efficient way to go here? Just wondering what builders' thoughts on this is.

I'd say no. Spending any money on outdated tech isn't going to help you much at all.

There are cusps where it doesn't make sense to upgrade without seeing the new tech first but honestly when you are ready to upgrade, your computer feels slow and you have the cash, just go for it. There will ALWAYS be something better around the corner.
 
Davidion said:
Question for y'all.

I'm still running an e6750 core 2 duo with 4 gigs of ram. While I've been meaning to upgrade to Sandy before you know IVY is going to be out next year, and it feels like doing a full sandy build is just a waste of time and inefficient holdover.

Is grabbing a Q6600/2.33 quad and OCing for now and waiting for Ivy to hit next year a good, efficient way to go here? Just wondering what builders' thoughts on this is.

No. A $120 i3 2100 will smoke an overclocked Q6600. You can get the i3 2100, a Biostar Z68 motherboard, and 8GB of RAM for around $250.

I'm not 100% sure if the Biostar is Ivy Bridge ready, though. Might want to make sure if you're really set on Ivy Bridge. Several other boards are confirmed Ivy Bridge ready at this point, and a few new ones also have PCI-E 3.0, so you may want to look into that.

To be honest, I'd just buy into Sandy Bridge now. It's more than fast enough for any game out there, by a large margin. Who knows when Ivy Bridge is actually going to hit.
 
chaosblade said:
Do you really need to upgrade? Seems like you would be better off just waiting it out with your current CPU. If that is holding you back in some applications you really want/need to use then you might be better off just getting SB now. It's not like 2500k will be piece of useless old hardware once IB launches, it's still a great performer and should last you a few years.

Of course, I'm waiting for Ivy Bridge myself, but I don't feel any immediate urge to upgrade
except for Dolphin :(
. My current CPU was just to hold me over anyway after my previous one died, and I had hoped I could use my AM3 mobo for Bulldozer but we see how that worked out...

garath said:
I'd say no. Spending any money on outdated tech isn't going to help you much at all.

There are cusps where it doesn't make sense to upgrade without seeing the new tech first but honestly when you are ready to upgrade, your computer feels slow and you have the cash, just go for it. There will ALWAYS be something better around the corner.

Thanks. My rig is entirely functional but it's four years old now and I'm seeing minor slowdowns and some of the games that are quad optimized are being bottlenecked a little. None of it is particularly earth-shattering, I suppose.

Assuming that Ivy will actually hit the market in March as scheduled, I guess I'll probably wait for that.

Edit: thanks Exodus, I'll do some further research.
 
LordCanti said:
European (or Korean/Japanese) broadband speeds at my American house..... HNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGG (if only I had an extra $200 a month).

Man you guys pay a lot for your connection...I'm Swedish by the way. :)
 
Giriath_89 said:
Man you guys pay a lot for your connection...I'm Swedish by the way. :)
It's that American Free Market at work. You know, because if I want to leave comcast then I can always get... dial up?
 
Anyone else has an opinion on this? Thx.

inky said:
So Amazon fucked up my 460gtx replacement and they are giving me my money back instead. I've checked around the page and for what I've seen the 6870 is in the same ball-park price wise ($200). Many options don't seem to ship to my country (Mexico) and don't really want to spend more than that because taxes+shipping it adds about $60 to any price. Other (more expensive/better) cards are not an option atm 'cause I'm handing down this one to my brother at the end of the year and building another PC for myself.

Long story short, should I go for another 460GTX (I had an MSI Cyclone but it went bad fast) or should I consider a 6870 for the same price which apparently does ship here? Thx in advance.
 
Watch the video at this link:



engadget-broadband-2011-06-28.jpg


Why is European broadband faster and cheaper? Blame the government
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/28/why-is-european-broadband-faster-and-cheaper-blame-the-governme/

If you've stayed with friends who live in European cities, you've probably had an experience like this: You hop onto their WiFi or wired internet connection and realize it's really fast. Way faster than the one that you have at home. It might even make your own DSL or cable connection feel as sluggish as dialup.

You ask them how much they pay for broadband.

"Oh, forty Euros." That's about $56.

"A week?" you ask.

"No," they might say. "Per month. And that includes phone and TV."

It's really that bad. The nation that invented the internet ranks 16th in the world when it comes to the speed and cost of our broadband connections. That's according to a study released last year by Harvard's Berkman Center for Internet & Society on behalf of the Federal Communications Commission.

It's not surprising that we lag behind such hacker havens as Sweden (number one worldwide, according to the study) and Finland (number seven), nor densely-populated Asian nations like Japan and South Korea (numbers three and four). But the U.S. also trails countries that are poor by European standards: Portugal is just ahead of us in 15th place; Italy is number 14. (The full rankings are on page 81 of the study.)

more...
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Your ISP Is Screwing You: As Your Service Costs Go Up, Their Backbone Costs Go Down
http://techcrunch.com/2011/07/29/yo...ice-costs-go-up-their-backbone-costs-go-down/

In Japan, a multiple-megabit Internet connection costs pennies. I pay $99 for 50-mbps (and that’s really about 1 mbps (when it’s not raining) in Brooklyn. But why, you ask? Well, to hear cable companies (and carriers) tell it, it costs a pretty penny to get all that data to your door. Providers have to lease connectivity from the backbone and, as such, they’re forced to add caps to prevent us users from sucking down too much data and bankrupting them. But Mr. Cringeley, in an excellent examination of the real bandwidth costs in America, proves them wrong.

more...
I won't even get into mobiles, and things like text messaging pricing structures.
 
Yeah I tell everyone that. They don't want to spend money to upgrade their services so they place caps on it and charge you for less while they make more money. And people just don't do anything about it.
 
don't want to go offtopic too much but my internet is currently limited by the UTP cable connecting our router/NAS closet to the actual modem in the garage ... we effed up clamping the connectors, so now it will only do 100mbps instead of gigabit limiting my internet to 95 instead of 120 mbit :p
[€67/month including TV & phone]

sn1pes said:
Would a Corsair TX650 be enough juice to power 2 GTX 560ti cards in an i5 2500k P67 setup?

should run fine :)
 
Moving to a new house, family is one PC short, got OK to build a monster. Kinda scared to do it myself. Any BASELINE I should be looking at e.g. is i7 worth it, etc.? I want to use the computer for intensive gaming.
 
Castor Krieg said:
Moving to a new house, family is one PC short, got OK to build a monster. Kinda scared to do it myself. Any BASELINE I should be looking at e.g. is i7 worth it, etc.? I want to use the computer for intensive gaming.

Give us a budget.

Any specific games in mind?
 
The more I keep reading about GPU temps... the more I'm wanting to push mine. I have an EVGA 560ti and when playing Bad Company 2 I get 60fps in the low 60C range. Would it be worth anything to put a slight overclock on my card that would keep me in the safe temperature range and give decent improvements?

"decent" here is obviously subjective... but just curious if it's worth any time/effort to pull a few more fps out of the thing.
 
TheExodu5 said:
Give us a budget.

Any specific games in mind?

Budget is 1000EUR. Let's bring the big guns: running Witcher 2 full details with ubersampling, all future games in the next two years on high details. Is it possible?
 
Castor Krieg said:
Budget is 1000EUR. Let's bring the big guns: running Witcher 2 full details with ubersampling, all future games in the next two years on high details. Is it possible?
nope.

good news is that you dont actually need supersampling, and youcan build a rig that can run witcher 2 at ultra without supersampling at the cost listed.
 
Castor Krieg said:
Budget is 1000EUR. Let's bring the big guns: running Witcher 2 full details with ubersampling, all future games in the next two years on high details. Is it possible?
Absolutely not.
Not even with 2000EUR I think.
 
Well, I got sick of waiting for BD/Ivy info and decided to get my new PC today.

Case: Fractal R3
CPU: 2500K (which I'll OC to at least 4.4/4.5)
Cooling: Corsair H80
Mobo: Asus P8P67 Pro (3.X)
RAM: 8GB of Corsair Vengeance LP (4GBx2)
SSD: Crucial M4 128GB
DVD: Samsung Writemaster-majigger
PSU: Corsair AX850

PSU is a tad overkill, and expensive, for my build but I want this to handle any upgrades I may throw at it... such as if I buy two 580s on a whim, and last into my next PC.
Plus, my last PSU was a bit of a nightmare so I'm set on getting myself a solid Seasonic.

£775 in total ($1,245)

Re-using:
GTX 460 (1GB) - Might grab another one of these as they are pretty cheap here at the moment.
1TB Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 (I think)
2TB Samsung F4

Thoughts? Suggestions?
 
How many of you do your PC gaming on a big TV or a projector? I have a 1080p projector that I was just going to use for when I build my PC. Are there any drawbacks to that? Does the video card need to be more powerful to push an image on such a large screen or is the size of the screen irrelevant?

Also in regards to "Comfy Couch PC gaming" are most games these days compatible with the 360 controller for Windows? If not what do you guys recommend?
 
Bad news for anyone contemplating an IB upgrade in the future: Intel is said to be making a huge UEFI mobo update, which would make updating any SB mobo next to impossible. Shame.

BTW, I hope Microcenter will be doing a very similar deep discount to any top of the line IB CPUs to come out.
 
Chinner said:
nope.

good news is that you dont actually need supersampling, and youcan build a rig that can run witcher 2 at ultra without supersampling at the cost listed.

Ok, so not with ubersampling - what is the baseline? Do I simply shop for i7 with SB, GeForce 560GTX, 8GB RAM, etc.? Or is it more complicated?
 
Wizman23 said:
How many of you do your PC gaming on a big TV or a projector? I have a 1080p projector that I was just going to use for when I build my PC. Are there any drawbacks to that? Does the video card need to be more powerful to push an image on such a large screen or is the size of the screen irrelevant?

Also in regards to "Comfy Couch PC gaming" are most games these days compatible with the 360 controller for Windows? If not what do you guys recommend?
Size means nothing, the PC doesn't know how big your monitor or TV is, just the number of pixels it's pushing to it.

I wouldn't want to use my TV as a full time monitor, but it's fine for gaming.

And yeah, a lot of games can use a 360 controller without any extra setup. For those that don't you can use Xpadder or Joy2key.

Ok, so not with ubersampling - what is the baseline? Do I simply shop for i7 with SB, GeForce 560GTX, 8GB RAM, etc.? Or is it more complicated?
Don't bother with an i7 if it's just for gaming. Get a 2500k. Spend the savings on a better GPU.

It's more complicated, just because you want to make sure you get a balance of quality parts. Compatibility isn't hard to figure out though.
 
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