I spent $420 just in online access this generation
- Thread starter BigDug13
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You had the choice buddy. And you chose the exception, the only company in the whole freaking existence that makes you pay for your online gaming. And now you regret such a careful decision? You know what to do next time.
blitzcloud
Banned
Because at some point, Microsoft made it sure that people you cared for used the service, so you'd subscribe like a stack of dominoes fall.
and by doing so you became part of the problem.
Superior version, btw.
How did it sell on PC? I remember it coming and not hearing anything when it was finally on PC.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
I regret a few digital downloads if that helps you feel better. One or two from GOG and maybe 5-7 on Steam. Some of my games I thought were going to be good, but it was against my better judgment. Which normally I'm very wise. But this PC gaming has a few tricks up its sleeve because as like consoles. You cant sell your bad games.
I don't even play GW2. I'm a conventional single player enthusiast. I don't regret the other majority of my titles though.
I buy a game my friends are playing and now that I'm an adult that doesn't really work out. I grew up with friends who played mainly console and arcade. And now its this PC crowd/FPS/MMO and I just can't do it anymore. And its not about the money, its about taste.
I knew Rock Band was popular because I worked at GameStop when it was real big. Plus they had The Beatles edition and everything. But I never liked it. I thought the idea of buying songs was stupid. I mean, I wasted money on DJ Hero a long time ago. I've never been a fan of music games period. But I wouldn't feel bad. I mean, lots of people payed a lot for fitness games too.
You've probably had a better MMO experience than I have ever had. I feel as though I downgraded buying the ones I have over the years. And you can't forget those who buy an old console for more money now. What I mean is, I look on Craigslist and see people with systems and games I wouldn't even think about buying. Not to say I'm better because I'm not. But seriously. I wouldn't be caught dead with a few of their picks.
I don't even play GW2. I'm a conventional single player enthusiast. I don't regret the other majority of my titles though.
I buy a game my friends are playing and now that I'm an adult that doesn't really work out. I grew up with friends who played mainly console and arcade. And now its this PC crowd/FPS/MMO and I just can't do it anymore. And its not about the money, its about taste.
I knew Rock Band was popular because I worked at GameStop when it was real big. Plus they had The Beatles edition and everything. But I never liked it. I thought the idea of buying songs was stupid. I mean, I wasted money on DJ Hero a long time ago. I've never been a fan of music games period. But I wouldn't feel bad. I mean, lots of people payed a lot for fitness games too.
You've probably had a better MMO experience than I have ever had. I feel as though I downgraded buying the ones I have over the years. And you can't forget those who buy an old console for more money now. What I mean is, I look on Craigslist and see people with systems and games I wouldn't even think about buying. Not to say I'm better because I'm not. But seriously. I wouldn't be caught dead with a few of their picks.
It's a fairly trivial amount of money for most gamers and the subscription nature makes it feel invisible and automatic. It's definitely a clever way to make money.
My take is Microsoft will stick with their policy and Sony need to improve subscription revenues from PS PLUS, so push will be bigger going forward.
My take is Microsoft will stick with their policy and Sony need to improve subscription revenues from PS PLUS, so push will be bigger going forward.
You should be mad at Sony instead of the customers. Before PSN+, Live Gold had the install base and feature set advantage. Sony has done a great job to close the gap now, but it's a different story during the first few years.
The 360 was never meant to be my main console for all console online play (or anything really), it just turned out that way.
Holly Caust
Banned
Not sure the sells, but it got "pirated" so much cliffy got mad and said no more gears on PC. So probably didn't sell too well.
Nightstick11
Banned
Xbox Live is the biggest swindle in gaming history, and what boggles my mind is that people DEFEND it. I mean, Jesus Christ. Paying for Xbox Live is like paying a "chair fee" at a restauraunt to sit down.
crazepharmacist
Member
Never understood why we have to pay for XBL. I played my original Xbox games: Halo 1, 2, and others all through XBC, a free online service that uses a system-link trick. It's essentially the same exact service you would get on XBL save for being able to report people. Pay to play online for a crappy peer to peer service is absolutely absurd and is one of the major reasons I went with PS3 this generation. XBC does not work on 360 in case anyone was wondering. They decided to block it somehow through the hardware of the system.
flyinpiranha
Member
I went off and on. If there wasn't a game or a sale on Live cards I never felt I "had to have it". I don't think I've spent even remotely that much. Maybe bought 4 or 5 of them at $30.
Still, it was worth it at the time, all my friends had 360's, online with old friends who moved away, playing with others I knew ... was great. It's like having a night out almost, you wake up $150 poorer and have a wicked hangover, but damn it was fun.
Going forward, I don't have as much time for gaming, my friends aren't on as much, so no Live for me this round MS, unless you REALLY add value to it. I had live coming over from the Xbox and PS3 was shit at the beginning for online integration and friends lists, so that choice was easy. Coming up though, not so much.
Yes, that all your good friends are already at and have already ordered their dinner. I'll pay the chair fee because I enjoy their company.
It's simple. The value is worth it to the people that buy it. I'm sure most people can't get all their friends to sell their system and buy a PS3 and all their games or start PC gaming. It's just like having a friend that lives far away, you put up with the cost of travel because you enjoy their company.
It's a really simple concept. I don't know why you can be pissed at people who are willing to pay a couple bucks a month to play with people that they want to or find enough value in it to do so.
I don't like it, I feel like it's a cover charge at a bar that already overcharges for drinks, but damn this place is fun.
Still, it was worth it at the time, all my friends had 360's, online with old friends who moved away, playing with others I knew ... was great. It's like having a night out almost, you wake up $150 poorer and have a wicked hangover, but damn it was fun.
Going forward, I don't have as much time for gaming, my friends aren't on as much, so no Live for me this round MS, unless you REALLY add value to it. I had live coming over from the Xbox and PS3 was shit at the beginning for online integration and friends lists, so that choice was easy. Coming up though, not so much.
Yes, that all your good friends are already at and have already ordered their dinner. I'll pay the chair fee because I enjoy their company.
It's simple. The value is worth it to the people that buy it. I'm sure most people can't get all their friends to sell their system and buy a PS3 and all their games or start PC gaming. It's just like having a friend that lives far away, you put up with the cost of travel because you enjoy their company.
It's a really simple concept. I don't know why you can be pissed at people who are willing to pay a couple bucks a month to play with people that they want to or find enough value in it to do so.
I don't like it, I feel like it's a cover charge at a bar that already overcharges for drinks, but damn this place is fun.
SpinningBirdKick
Banned
Wickerbasket
Member
It probably sold terribly; it was a year later than the 360 version and was released at full price.
I paid for Live this whole generation; I'm probably not buying an Xbox next generation.
Omegasquash
Member
That's what Father's Day is for this year. I'm rocking an OG 60gb, so it's sorely needed.
Anyway, on topic...I'm not sure I'm going to re-up XBL this year. Don't see the need for the paywall.
witchedwiz
Member
If ps+ for ps4 stays this awesome i'll have no qualms about dumping them some money
ScottSullivan
Member
I think I bought one year of gold when I first got my 360 back in 2009, but never again after that. I'm all about the free online. Dota 2 and Madden on my ps3 is all I need man!
The deal that seems to be out there right now is $31 for a year at newegg after their sale and discounts, and that's already expired, and there's another one for 4 months at $15+ 400 MS points at best buy. There's always deals, but 3 years for free? That's not 5 minutes of casually browsing and downplays the actual cost of Xbox Live Gold as no big deal.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
Do you hate buying games? I know some people who just like to play a few titles and like even my friends in high school, all they did was play Halo. I just wonder if you feel the same?
F2P can be good, but a lot of the games I'm just not that into. To me it seems like a "One game to rule them all" mentality.
http://www.gamespot.com/gears-of-wa...nds-on-single-player-and-multiplayer-6180407/
The 2$ deal is dead now, but even 2$ for 2 months is to much for this scam of a service.
baxter2231
Member
I spent nothing to access online portion of games.
SMT
this show is not Breaking Bad why is it not Breaking Bad? it should be Breaking Bad dammit Breaking Bad
I will hold you on your theory 8byte, has there been a confirmation for a headset coming with the PS4?
TheGreyHulk
Member
let's be honest. people pay for gold because there's no choice but to if you want to play MP. if MP was free, there would be significantly less people buying it. it's just that the 360 is very popular and xbl honestly did outdo psn with party chat, cross game invites, etc. thats where the value was in xbl. psn couldn't keep up because it wasn't designed to run in the same way on ps3 from the gate and they couldn't get it all done afterwards since there was very limited ram to pull from for it.
MS will have a battle next gen if sony does allow us to party chat, group invite, etc on PSN and especially if they do it for free.
the value of it is subjective though. i din't mind paying when i was playing heavily, but once i went to being a light gamer, it wasn't worth it no more
MS will have a battle next gen if sony does allow us to party chat, group invite, etc on PSN and especially if they do it for free.
the value of it is subjective though. i din't mind paying when i was playing heavily, but once i went to being a light gamer, it wasn't worth it no more
Boss Man
Member
PS+ is actually a pretty crafty little model since so many core gamers have the backlog problem. You pay for a backlog that you can't access (talking about the free games) unless you're paying for it. It's like Backlog Premium where you're paying to sustain a huge backlog.
At least the value is there though. More to do with my gaming habits than anything, but if they did that on purpose that's pretty genius.
At least the value is there though. More to do with my gaming habits than anything, but if they did that on purpose that's pretty genius.
Had PS+ since it launch so I have spent a fair bit but I got access to more games than I have time to play, I am so glad I quit Xbox ownership early, I know people say things like "who can't afford a few cents a day" but it adds up $420 (£270 in proper money) is a lot of money, you could buy 6-7 new games with that.
I really hope Sony go the PS+ route with the ps4 rather than following the Xbox example, playing online for free was one of the advertising points of the ps3 and charging for the ps4 might put off the opposite of us forum dwelling savants who know everything about everything those who are buying something for a family or someone treating themselves when the rest of the year on a budget.
You have to assume that a PS+ subscription will cover the vita, ps3 and ps4, I imagine it would be hard to charge for a new service with the ps4 as PS+ has already integrated games for 4 Sony consoles (PSP, Vita, ps3 and ps4) which would mean the value of the subscription even better.
I can see Microsoft attempting a PS+ type service, as it seems the Xbone is going full media box by offering various levels of live starting from basic access up to a top level that includes access to whatever non gaming stuff you will need subscriptions for.
I really hope Sony go the PS+ route with the ps4 rather than following the Xbox example, playing online for free was one of the advertising points of the ps3 and charging for the ps4 might put off the opposite of us forum dwelling savants who know everything about everything
those who are buying something for a family or someone treating themselves when the rest of the year on a budget.You have to assume that a PS+ subscription will cover the vita, ps3 and ps4, I imagine it would be hard to charge for a new service with the ps4 as PS+ has already integrated games for 4 Sony consoles (PSP, Vita, ps3 and ps4) which would mean the value of the subscription even better.
I can see Microsoft attempting a PS+ type service, as it seems the Xbone is going full media box by offering various levels of live starting from basic access up to a top level that includes access to whatever non gaming stuff you will need subscriptions for.
Mr. Luchador
Member
9 Year XBL vet and I feel like a dumbass. What perks or 'loyalty' rewards did I receive in that 8 years? 80ms points, and some dodgy tracksuit thing for my avatar...
Meanwhile people on PS+ are getting free games right, left and centre.
I'm done with XBL.
Meanwhile people on PS+ are getting free games right, left and centre.
I'm done with XBL.
I could be wrong, but I believe it was already said to be packed in. I mean, it's got headset ports on the controller, ala 360. Wouldn't make much sense to NOT pack it in. We'll find out in a few days with regards to that.
I can promise you though, if more PS3 users had mics, you'd hear more nonsense. That's just simple math. The larger the pool of people in which you can communicate, the mroe assholes you'll run into within that pool.
Diablohead
Member
Every time I added another year of live it was at a discount, I still play a few games online and it's not worth the asking price in the UK when half of the online streaming app's do not work, but I have a few real friends and family who use XBL.
Not going to pay for online next gen unless something super duper amazing happens, not even Forza or PGR could get me to pay or buy an xbox one right now.
Not going to pay for online next gen unless something super duper amazing happens, not even Forza or PGR could get me to pay or buy an xbox one right now.
Lovegooder
Banned
Corronchilejano
Member
Can PS+ free games really be called free if you lose them after you stop paying?
But yeah, I'm with you on the rest. I've payed $100 on XBL and I don't think its worth it. Really, to use Netflix in my country on my XBox I need XBL? Bovine exrementus maximus. Asking for money to receive services I can get for free anywhere else is extremely retarded.
Weemanply109
Member
Ditto to that.
Why? It's not like every Xbox owner has a headset. I don't see where you're going with this..
Yeah the big part of this scam is people bought the console not knowing they had to pay to use most of the features of the console. Microsoft should be required to put a sticker on the box that says "Most features of this device are not accessible without paying a monthly fee."
But most people are aware that the Xbone will be limited without paying and so it makes me so disappointed in people ready to buy the console day 1 knowing that they will have to buy into this scam and they don't care.
I just hope Sony doesn't follow suit. Though I think they are really onto something with plus. I have subscribed to plus since they gave it free at the network outage, and I feel like I'm stealing it's that good. Sony has figured out how to create value, not like Microsoft putting up paywalls to give the illusion of value.
Omegasquash
Member
My brother in law currently defends XBL because it's not Sony. Literally. I laugh as I get a new game or two monthly.
elcuervo75
Banned
I spent about $130 on xbl gold over the years, never paying more than $35 for 1 year. I also spent about $100 in M$ funny money, only buying full games or arcade games at sale prices.
Got Oblivion and Skyrim really cheap, and had a lot of fun with CoD before it got old, so it was worth it. But I WONT be doing it again, since all those digital purchases are tied to my 360 with no options.
PC is the only thing I will buy digital now going forward. Nobody can beat $5 Steam games with 99% backwards compatibility!
Got Oblivion and Skyrim really cheap, and had a lot of fun with CoD before it got old, so it was worth it. But I WONT be doing it again, since all those digital purchases are tied to my 360 with no options.
PC is the only thing I will buy digital now going forward. Nobody can beat $5 Steam games with 99% backwards compatibility!
Bl4ckSunsh1n3
Member
I bought a year of Live when I got my 360. I played Halo with my friends about 10 times. I won't pay for it again when I can play online for free on PC/PS3
Pretty sure every 360 comes with a headset (maybe the Core didn't?).
As opposed to zero PS3s that come with headsets.
Lovegooder
Banned
Weeelllll...they're on loan to you until you cancel your sub. I guess one could classify those titles as free rentals? Or, "free" rentals?
And what's the other big perk of PS+? Coupons?
Yeah, XBL's ROI stinks, but come on.
You don't have to pay for PS+ to play your games online or use Netflix. That's the difference.
GalacticMouse
Member
Eh, I kinda jumped the gun since my friends (two in particular) have bought every CoD game for years, but both of them said they weren't interested in BlOps 2 after I had bought it. I still have Halo 4 to play with them, but I don't enjoy Halo as much, so whatever. I just won't re-up next year.
Haha, are you seriously trying to talk down PS+ compared to XBL Gold? PS+ is straight from heaven compared to the abomination that is gold.