Ocean Dweller
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I mean..... really dude?
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Ice Cube turned down $9 million to avoid getting a Covid_Vaccinne
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PuppetMaster
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It does seem stupid and irrational.
But on the other hand he built his brand on distrust of "the man" and government. So consider it a 9mil cost spent to uphold his public image. And perhaps it's not irrational after all.
But on the other hand he built his brand on distrust of "the man" and government. So consider it a 9mil cost spent to uphold his public image. And perhaps it's not irrational after all.
LegendOfKage
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If you had as much money as Ice Cube, would you rather have 9 million more and tinnitus (a constant sound in your ears whenever it's quiet) or skip the 9 million and not have tinnitus?
Because I know someone who got tinnitus a day or so after getting the shot. If that would have been the situation with Cube, he might have made the right choice. I'll also admit that I don't know how rare that is, so I'm just talking about a possibility here.
And if it actually stopped covid, you wouldn't need EVERYONE on the set to take it in the first place. That never made sense logically. Then again, a lot of things we were told never made sense logically.
Because I know someone who got tinnitus a day or so after getting the shot. If that would have been the situation with Cube, he might have made the right choice. I'll also admit that I don't know how rare that is, so I'm just talking about a possibility here.
And if it actually stopped covid, you wouldn't need EVERYONE on the set to take it in the first place. That never made sense logically. Then again, a lot of things we were told never made sense logically.
He's been given plenty of reasons, and those started long before covid. Government officials ignoring the US constitution and trying to censor citizens through privately owned companies because they don't like what they're saying? Where have I heard that one lately? And that's not even getting into the things local law enforcement did.
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ForAcademicPurposes
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That's a lot of Subway sandwiches.
FunkMiller
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Well, he’s a bell end for believing all the conspiracy nonsense, but I guess the 9 million wouldn’t really mean that much to him.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I would rather have 9 million dollars and have a statistically more likely chance of surviving a potential COVID infection, which is supported by lots of strong evidence.
I would risk the chance of potentially getting tinnitus because it is statistically highly unlikely that those two events are connected or have a causal relationship, according to the research at the time. I am not going to take a potentially unreliable hearsay testimony from a friend (sample size of 1) as more reliable than actual data from a large sample size of thousands.
InterMusketeer
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Bummer. I thought we were done talking about the vaccine.
LegendOfKage
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I assure you that the situation hits differently when the hearsay testimony (sample size of 1) is your father.
But people should make up their own minds with statistical evidence. How many instances of tinnitus have been reported? I'm sure there must be data for that sort of thing, right?
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Lunarorbit
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There's fighting the man (something he hasn't done in over 20 years unless you consider shitty kids movies subversive) and being a fucking moron who doesn't trust science cause the Tuskegee experiments happened.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
True. I always trusted the science.
...when he lives in the wood inside a cavern, ok then.
The moment he lives around me, dafuck this is his choice.
LegendOfKage
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Are you posting with a time machine or something? Because I used to feel the same way at first. Even while I was never in favor of mandates, I still didn't want to be anywhere near people who weren't vaccinated.
But speaking as someone who lives in the future (present), the vaccine doesn't stop covid. If you want it, get it, and leave everyone else alone to make their own choices. Either it works, and you only need to worry about yourself taking it, or it doesn't work so why force it on others? This "you better get it if you're going to be around me!" mentality has always been a illogical and unscientific.
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funkygunther
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I feel like I've gone in a time machine back to 2021 to be honest
CoreyFlawless
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As someone that took the covid shot. I kinda wish I never did. Also felt it was becoming too force to have to take it. But I would had easily taken it for 9mil tho. But if I was in his shoe. Nah I wouldn’t had either more likely
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Emotionally, perhaps, but my father is not a credible source of information regarding his own anecdotal experience regarding a medication that he doesn't understand. I would believe him that chronologically, the tinnitus occured after the vaccination. However, there are no grounds for either him or I to believe that it was the cause. There are a million other things that he did that could have caused tinnitus too. Being able to confidently rule out "mere coincidence" would be extremely difficult.
This level of uncertainty pales in comparison to the very well researched and known quantity of the fact that the COVID vaccine drastically reduces my and his risk of serious illness and death. Serious COVID illness has a chance of serious side effects, and possibly lingering long COVID. Would I prefer that to a highly unlikely chance at contracting tinnitus? No. Serious COVID illness has a chance of death. Would I prefer that to a highly unlikely chance at contracting tinnitus? No. The risk assessment here seems pretty obvious to me.
There should be.
SARS-CoV-2 vaccine-associated-tinnitus: A review - PMC
The global vaccination drive against severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus-2 is being pursued at a historic pace. Unexpected adverse effects have been reported following vaccination, including thrombotic thrombocytopenia, myocarditis, ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Here is the VAERS system where you can see how many reports of tinnitus there are.
Here are the results of a search for the amounts of reports of tinnitus following any of the COVID 19 vaccines. I'm not sure why it lists 18,226 out of 16,859 events. It's possible I did the search wrong.
At any rate, let's say that there are 18 thousand reported cases of tinnitus following the COVID19 vaccine so far. This doesn't mean that the vaccine definitely causes all of them, it just means that the symptoms were reported in near proximity to taking the vaccine. It could also include erroneous or malicious reports. Also, it would probably be safe to assume that not all of the authentic reports of tinnitus are permanent.
However, for the sake of your argument, let us say that all 18,226 cases of tinnitus are very real, are very permanent, and were most definitely caused by the COVID19 vaccine. In order to put this number into perspective, we need to figure out how many doses of the vaccine were administered total.
COVID Data Tracker
CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.
covid.cdc.gov
As of this post, 676,728,782 doses of the COVID19 vaccine have been administered. You do the math on how likely that is to contract tinnitus after getting vaccinated.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Not on its own, but it helps a great deal. Just because something isn't 100% effective doesn't mean it's useless.
No it's not. Let's take two hypothetical rooms.
Room A - 50 randomly selected unvaccinated people. Room A is unventilated. No one is wearing masks. You are in this room for a total of 5 minutes.
Room B - 50 randomly selected vaccinated people. Room B is also unventilated. No one in Room B is wearing masks either. You are in this room for a total of 5 minutes.
Which room would you rather be in for 5 minutes? Do you think the prevalence of COVID carriers in each room is similar? Do you think the level of contagiousness of people carrying COVID virus is similar in both rooms? Do you think each room probably has a similar level of circulating virus in the air? Do you think each room has a similar proportion of dead virus to living virus circulating in the air?
I would take Room B every single time.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Meh. Props to him for sticking to his guns. Even if it's a bit silly. I'm not with those who would scream at him or "cancel" him for refusing but I think it's better to error on the side of caution. I say that but I never got my kid the shot.
GutsOfThor
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What a fuckin tard.
Ice T continues to be the supreme Ice.
Ice T continues to be the supreme Ice.
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LegendOfKage
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That's a fair assessment. Poorly worded on my part, but I was mainly thinking that it's not enough of a reason to force or shame people to get vaccinated, and that's especially true for those who have already had it. But that logic is even more so true for Cube and his situation, as people back then were saying the vaccine stops covid.
As a side note, a lot of rooms are pretty much room A at this point, as not many people are up to date with their boosters and no one is wearing masks anymore, but a mix of vaccines and herd immunity seems to have reduced the numbers a great deal lately.
As for the other post, my father didn't have any side effects until his (fourth?) shot, so I'm not sure if that would be included in your data or not. Does that cover multiple boosters as well as the initial vaccine dose(s)?
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V1LÆM
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If I could go back then I wouldn't get the vaccines. I definitely won't be getting anymore.
I don't want to sound crazy or paranoid and I was someone who thought "just trust the doctors/scientists and get it". A lot of people were refusing it and I respect their decision but I thought why wouldn't you just get it? Thankfully I've only caught covid once but I never want to experience that shit ever again. I thought I was going to die and that was 2 weeks of hell. If the vaccine helped then I don't want to imagine what it'd be like without it.
After I got my 2nd one I started having a lot of breathing problems which I'm still dealing with to this day (my nose is very stuffy right now). It's almost like allergies. I do have hayfever but this is like hayfever that never goes away. My nose is constantly getting blocked and my left eye always gets irritated and itchy. I sneeze a LOT and my nose is a lot more sensitive. Of course it could be something else but in my head the only thing that seems to have changed when this all started is that I got the vaccines.
Someone else I know took a severe allergic reaction and was in hospital for weeks then attending for over a year. Never had any allergy issues before and also no changes in their life. The doctors still can't give a proper explaination to what is causing it. Now they need to take medication every day and carry around an epi-pen.
I'm just hoping that eventually all the trouble I'm having goes away. I am constantly needing to take allergy tablets and use nasal spray. The amount of fucking money I've spent is insane.
I don't want to sound crazy or paranoid and I was someone who thought "just trust the doctors/scientists and get it". A lot of people were refusing it and I respect their decision but I thought why wouldn't you just get it? Thankfully I've only caught covid once but I never want to experience that shit ever again. I thought I was going to die and that was 2 weeks of hell. If the vaccine helped then I don't want to imagine what it'd be like without it.
After I got my 2nd one I started having a lot of breathing problems which I'm still dealing with to this day (my nose is very stuffy right now). It's almost like allergies. I do have hayfever but this is like hayfever that never goes away. My nose is constantly getting blocked and my left eye always gets irritated and itchy. I sneeze a LOT and my nose is a lot more sensitive. Of course it could be something else but in my head the only thing that seems to have changed when this all started is that I got the vaccines.
Someone else I know took a severe allergic reaction and was in hospital for weeks then attending for over a year. Never had any allergy issues before and also no changes in their life. The doctors still can't give a proper explaination to what is causing it. Now they need to take medication every day and carry around an epi-pen.
I'm just hoping that eventually all the trouble I'm having goes away. I am constantly needing to take allergy tablets and use nasal spray. The amount of fucking money I've spent is insane.
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Rentahamster
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While it is true that people with prior infections do have some protection from future bouts of disease, there is no way to reliably document and register that, especially post-recovery. Documenting, verifying, and registering COVID vaccines by comparison is much more feasible. That's why previous infection is not a good metric to design public health policy around. Yes, people were saying that the vaccine stops COVID? So what? That's the impreciseness of language. Yes, the vaccines "stopped" the first versions of SARSCOV2 in the truest sense of the word "stop", but that kind of efficacy went out the window after delta. But the vaccines still "worked" in the sense that they drastically lessened the prevalence of severe disease and death, which is their primary function.
My assessment is that nowadays a lot of rooms are pretty much Room B. The reason is because most people got vaccinated, some people got boosters, and most people have been exposed to some quantity of virus at this point. All of these factors contribute to some level of protection among the general populace, which is a more similar to Room B than it is to Room A. Room A has zero protection aside from those who might have already acquired natural immunity.
What do you mean? The VAERS data I cited is from June of this year.
LegendOfKage
Member
Sorry. I read that wrong, and rewrote my response. Initially I only read the quoted date regarding tinnitus, which was from 2021.
FunkMiller
Member
Did your symptoms start after you had covid? Because long covid is very definitely a thing for some.
LegendOfKage
Member
At the same time, this could also be the result from having covid itself. I'm sure you've thought of that already, though. Regardless, I'm sorry to hear it and I hope your health improves.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Oh.
I'm pretty sure the COVID19-2 category is the boosters.
I'm sorry that your father is experiencing tinnitus, but if I'm being honest, there is very little reason to believe that it was caused by the vaccine. Especially if it took 4 doses for this to happen. How many times has he listened to loud music? How many times has he been in the vicinity of an airplane or a loud construction site? How many times has he hit his head on anything? How likely is it that his tinnitus is related to his age? It's nearly impossible to know for certain that you can connect the dots to the vaccine. The only plausible mechanism I can imagine would be some kind of result from a bad allergic reaction. Did he have one?
I mean, the stats aren't in his favor.
More than half a billion doses. 18 thousand reports of tinnitus. I can't let feelings override facts. I'm not saying what your father claims is impossible. I'm just saying it's very unlikely.
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FunkMiller
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One of the leading causes of persistent tinnitus aside from noise damage is anxiety/stress.
Not saying this is what happened to your dad, but there's a lot of folks who get tinnitus following medical interventions of one kind or another. The psychological effect of tinnitus is not understood well, but many studies have shown that those with a predilection for anxiety/depression and other mental health issues are more likely to develop and sustain tinnitus distress. I'd say that probably accounts for a lot of post covid vaccine tinnitus. The whole thing was stressful for many.
Sadly, this is a subject matter I'm a lay expert in
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Well, you also contracted COVID, which is also pretty significant, yes?
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
No one should have been forced to get a shot of a "Vaccine" that they didn't want to. People can choose to hire and fire based on that but that is the individuals choice. And sometimes choices have more cost than others. It isn't really a vaccine, it was more like a flu shot, and it did not prevent the spread it merely lessened symptoms. I would not have gotten it if I could go back. I think there are some adverse affects. One of them being making drug companies more powerful.
HoodWinked
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Got the vaccine still got COVID. It didn't do shit.
Also pretty sure the vaccine gave me dermatographia
www.cureus.com
Also pretty sure the vaccine gave me dermatographia
COVID-19 Vaccine Booster-Induced Dermatographism
The urgent requirement for a preventative vaccination became more pressing due to the severe repercussions that the SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) virus had on society and the economy. The deployment of the COVID-19 vaccination program had to be expedited. As with all vaccinations, adverse events have...
www.cureus.com
FunkMiller
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Got the vaccine still got COVID. It didn't do shit.
Also pretty sure the vaccine gave me dermatographia
COVID-19 Vaccine Booster-Induced Dermatographism
The urgent requirement for a preventative vaccination became more pressing due to the severe repercussions that the SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) virus had on society and the economy. The deployment of the COVID-19 vaccination program had to be expedited. As with all vaccinations, adverse events have...
I had the vaccine and still got covid. I think everyone I know has as well.
The covid lasted two weeks and then was completely gone.
The point being, the vaccine made the covid less bad... it didn't stop it completely. Which was the job it was designed to do.
All the data (the real data, not stuff on Facebook) bears out the fact that more serious and long term covid is suffered by people who didn't take a vaccine.
DeafTourette
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The original vaccine only worked up to 100% on the original strain of the virus. By the time the vaccine came out, most people were getting infected by the mutated strains. Not the OG. Which is why effectiveness varied and not as good as what was sold to us.
V1LÆM
Gold Member
I got my 2nd vaccine in June 2021 and this started happening around September 2021. The one and only time I've caught covid was last July (exactly a year ago yesterday). It took me a good 2-3 months to feel 100% after covid but I haven't noticed any lingering symptoms.
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FunkMiller
Member
Oh! So that's why the nurse who gave me my vaccine shot was bumming a six year old at the same time!
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Agreed.
Agreed.
Agreed.
It is a vaccine, quite literally. A flu shot is also a vaccine, quite literally too.
It helped to lessen the spread because vaccinated people have an immune system primed to fight off the virus early so that people are sick for a lesser amount of time, which means that their window of contagion is also lessened too. It also greatly reduced the amount of people who became severely ill and died.
That's your choice.
Probably. All
True. However, the drug companies operate under capitalism, and without proper regulation, this is inevitable.
V1LÆM
Gold Member
as i said above, these symptoms have been around since just after my 2nd vaccine in mid 2021. i didn't get covid until Summer 2022.
not sure what you're saying. when i got the vaccine i knew it wouldn't prevent me getting it but i was told it would make it less severe. with a vaccine and boosters i thought i was going to die with covid so if i hadn't got a vaccine i don't want to know what it would be like.
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Rentahamster
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Just saying that your bout with COVID could have been a major factor in the breathing problems you experienced, but since you were experiencing breathing problems before contracting COVID, they are probably not related.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Everything has risk. And we should be free to handle that risk how we see fit within the bounds of the law. I do think mandating shots and shutting down business because of risk should be beyond the scope of governmental powers. Let the individual decide.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
So should childhood immunity shots not be a thing? Considering all those viruses they protected us from started actual deadly pandemics themselves.
I mean if you want to let your kid have the Mumps or smallpox or polio.
I mean if you want to let your kid have the Mumps or smallpox or polio.
Trunx81
Member
That´s a completly different topic, though: You can´t compare MRNA with normal vaccines. That´s like running Akinator against ChatGPT.
Ice Cube´s still alive, so he made the right choice for himself. Leave it be, this thread will only turn into politics.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
It's so weird that the anti vax stuff blew up with COVID. I mean, we all went our entire lives understanding vaccines and taking them as kids or during the winter months to stave off truly horrifying afflictions like small pox, and yet COVID turned a bunch of otherwise rational people into conspiracy weirdos who refuse to acknowledge science.
These things will pass in time. Still frustrating to see.
These things will pass in time. Still frustrating to see.
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