Wasn't the other part that the vaccine only really worked for about 6 months? (Which would have been ok if there was a covid season but there isn't.) Plus the mutated strains were far less dangerous. (So in effect we ended up doing the Greater Barrington, the west just used poor people in Africa to do it. )Beyond that Ice Cube is 54 so I think there's an increased chance of a poor outcome but not huge.(Not sure if he's over weight or not.) FWIW I've had covid as well and I was vaccinated but not boosted. (Got the vaccine in June of 21, got covid in 22. Almost certainly a mutated strain. The second dose of the vaccine made me sick for a day, covid made me sick for about 2. I've definitely been a lot sicker from other illnesses than covid but I've never had the initial strain either.)
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Ice Cube turned down $9 million to avoid getting a Covid_Vaccinne
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Not completely different. You can compare the two. They both have slightly different ways of achieving the same goal. At this point, there is overwhelming data that shows that out of the billions of people who got mRNA vaccines, relatively few had major side effects.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Yea, we got lucky in that the mutations early on were far more infectious, but also far less lethal. There's also the fact that a majority of people were eventually exposed, vaccinated or not, just like with the common cold. So by the time the second batch of vaccines were being crafted to target the new strains most everyone had some level of immunity.
Citing Matrix "We are here not because we are free but because we are not free".
Thw assumption that be free means "I do what I want" is wrong.
We are not free when there is an up and a down.
We are not free when we live in a exosystem.
We are not free when we live with another person, let alone that "we live in a society".
People around affect me anyway with their choice. Stupid choices will hit me harder.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I think its the RFK Jr. effect. Hes an anti vaxxer and its brought back a lot of the anti-vax talk.
It sucks but i dont think this is ever going away.
It sucks but i dont think this is ever going away.
K2D
Banned
IDIOTS + “SOCIAL MEDIA“ + ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE
We've always had idiots, superstitious people will always crop up.. We had a small anti vax movement, but what's new is we have social media and the following echo chamber/ no one to call out their bullshit and all of a sudden a once-in-a-century pandemic.
It was bound to happen.
pel1300
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So glad I didn't get it. I was living in Mexico from late 2020 through mid 2022. In Mexico it was back to normal life long before the vaccines came along, so by then no one really cared. And by the time I returned to the US late last year, no one cared here anymore. It was insane, the vaxx vs unvaxxed hysteria going on in the US+Europe+Canada in 2021.
I'm crossing my fingers for my little niece and nephew who got it + boosters. They are 8 and 5. Don't know what my sister was thinking - she home schools them because she doesn't trust the education system, but never questioned anything throughout covid.
I'm crossing my fingers for my little niece and nephew who got it + boosters. They are 8 and 5. Don't know what my sister was thinking - she home schools them because she doesn't trust the education system, but never questioned anything throughout covid.
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True. I mean back then we heard that whole thing about diseases mutating to spread easier and less virulent. However I think I read somewhere that the study that suggests that is not all that well established and it might have gotten worse. (Still I found it ironic after everything said against greater barrington they ended up doing it accidentally, just using the poor people of the world to do it.)
Hugare
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COVID vaccine wasnt for immunity, but to make the symptons less harmfulGot the vaccine still got COVID. It didn't do shit.
Also pretty sure the vaccine gave me dermatographia
COVID-19 Vaccine Booster-Induced Dermatographism
The urgent requirement for a preventative vaccination became more pressing due to the severe repercussions that the SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) virus had on society and the economy. The deployment of the COVID-19 vaccination program had to be expedited. As with all vaccinations, adverse events have...www.cureus.com
Immunity was never its goal
daveonezero
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That isn’t what experts were saying at first….so why do they get to lie and compel you to take it and then back track and never admit they made a mistake?
“Stops infection stops the spreading.”
The symptoms were bad for 99% of people and were never serious.
Hugare
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There were a bunch of "COVID experts" during those years, but 90% of them just wanted some clout and didnt know shit
Before being vaccinated I knew that it was just to soften the symptons
People should know better where to get information from
daveonezero
Banned
the highest paid government official wasn’t an expert?
Hugare
Member
Not necessarily?
My president and its officials (Brazil) were recommending a medicine for malaria against COVID
No proven efficiency whatsoever
The medicine went out of stock in pretty much all pharmacies, a bunch of people died from it
So yeah, you would be surprised about the misinformation during COVID era. Even from "officials".
Mistake
Member
Vaccines prevent infection. This got walked back about the covid shot when they started saying "it will reduce symptoms or chances of hospitalization," after all the breakthrough infections they had. Which means it's a therapeutic, and is why this issue is currently in court.
Anyway, the covid shot will keep coming up for the next 10 years, because, well, vaccines usually need 10 years worth of data.
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Syphon Filter
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ice cube can get money in many ways, that isnt anything to him. Not everyone is a sheep and docile accepting bs from others.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
COVID was still new. They were still learning about it. It wasn't like the flu which has been known and studied for decades. COVID-19 JUST came into existence. So yeah, you'll make mistakes and have to walk some things back. Especially when you're put on a near impossible timetable to vaccinate the entire US/World population.
Mistake
Member
Saying you didn't know isn't a good enough excuse for pretending like you did. (Not you deaf, you know what I mean)
But this is also why I didn't take it. Obvious things were rushed and people were in a panic. Prime recipe for mistakes to happen
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CrankyJay™
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Much of that 10 years is due red tape: the time it takes to enroll patients and for the FDA to review data, etc. The FDA has their plates full with hundreds of other trials and drug applications.
So the important number isn't how much time has elapsed but how many patients have received the shot/vaccine (I don't care what it's called), which at this point is in the tens of millions.
Even if there is vaccine injury and people are having heart attacks or strokes, the numbers are exceedingly low which makes it medically worth the risk in a risk/benefit situation.
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Mistake
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The 10 year is also to evaluate long term risks, which will have a much larger sample size this time around compared to any usual rollout
Cyberpunkd
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Vaccines, how do they work?
Can mods close this ? It was always going to be about politics.
CrankyJay™
Member
I don't believe that's true. Yes, there are "long term studies" but that has more to do with effectiveness and less to do with SAEs.
There is no requirement for any drug to test safety in such a long timeframe.
daveonezero
Banned
In the US 30% of people never took the jab.
huge drop off of people who received more than 2.
For something that is so scary and the doses only last 6 months it seems like most people aren’t even current or “fully vaccinated” anymore.
usafacts.org
huge drop off of people who received more than 2.
For something that is so scary and the doses only last 6 months it seems like most people aren’t even current or “fully vaccinated” anymore.
US Coronavirus vaccine tracker
Each state has a different plan — and different challenges — in distributing vaccines. Learn more about who is getting vaccinated by parsing the data by age, sex and race.
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