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If i tried Ecstacy once.. Would there be any adverse affects?
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Keep in mind that alot of E is cut with speed and VIAGRA even lately. You can just about expect small amounts of each, although it doesn't make the drug any more or less dangerous really.
(The viagra is a DUMB addition, for people who get frustrated with the fact you can't usually get it up while on E, and still want to have sex. You can just about get the same feeling from just hugging though, so it's a waste, IMO)
I've taken E maybe 3-4 times over the last 3 years, always at home with friends though. Once wouldn't give you any real adverse effects, assuming it's not cut with anything stupid. That guy who said it leaves a pinhole in your brain is totally BSing though. I don't think I'll take it again though unless I'm actually at a party or something.
If you're gonna take it for the first time, do it in the company of at least 1 'sober' person, have some Gatorade handy (don't overhydrate, natch), and try to have some soft fuzzy things around to hold, or someone you can cuddle with. And don't expect to sleep for a while.
(The viagra is a DUMB addition, for people who get frustrated with the fact you can't usually get it up while on E, and still want to have sex. You can just about get the same feeling from just hugging though, so it's a waste, IMO)
I've taken E maybe 3-4 times over the last 3 years, always at home with friends though. Once wouldn't give you any real adverse effects, assuming it's not cut with anything stupid. That guy who said it leaves a pinhole in your brain is totally BSing though. I don't think I'll take it again though unless I'm actually at a party or something.
If you're gonna take it for the first time, do it in the company of at least 1 'sober' person, have some Gatorade handy (don't overhydrate, natch), and try to have some soft fuzzy things around to hold, or someone you can cuddle with. And don't expect to sleep for a while.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
"I can't personally understand taking a 1 in 50,000 chance of death for a one off high, but if it's something you want to do, we won't be able to stop you."
um - does anyone have any links to these statistics that state you have a 1 in 50,000 chance of dying on E???? Because ,quite frankly, given the extent of E use in the UK in the late 90s we should have had thousands up on thousands of people dead.
um - does anyone have any links to these statistics that state you have a 1 in 50,000 chance of dying on E???? Because ,quite frankly, given the extent of E use in the UK in the late 90s we should have had thousands up on thousands of people dead.
wandering goat
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I believe it's 1 in 50 000 people who use E have negative reactions, not each time you use it it's 1 in 50 000, if that is what you're suggesting. I just got it from Erowid. I don't know where they got it from, but they usually know what they're talking about so I'd still definitely consider it before trying E for the first time.
[edit] DCharlie: Actually, it IS negative reactions resulting in death. The exact quote from the site is:
[edit] DCharlie: Actually, it IS negative reactions resulting in death. The exact quote from the site is:
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
"Information from brain scans of people is valuable, but it is difficult to control the different variables when using human subjects. Perhaps some of the students didn't report their drug use accurately. Maybe they didn't remember how many times they had used ecstasy. To be able to control the variables more carefully in a study, Ricaurte looked for help from animal experiments. In an article published in The Journal of Neuroscience (June 15, 1999), Ricaurte compared the data from monkeys who were given ecstasy dissolved in a liquid twice a day for four days to other monkeys who received the same liquid WITHOUT the ecstasy twice a day for four days. The study showed that the monkeys who were given ecstasy had damage to the serotonin-containing nerve cells. This damage was still visible seven years later!. Areas that were especially affected were the frontal lobe of the cerebral cortex, an area in the front part of the brain that is used in thinking, and the hippocampus, an area deep in the brain that helps with memory. Although damage was still observed seven years later, it was less severe than when it was observed two weeks after drug use. This suggests that some regrowth could have occurred, but that it is far from complete."
I guess the monkeys were bsing also....
I guess the monkeys were bsing also....
wandering goat
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The article doesn't say how much ecstasy was given in each dose. Not to mention twice a day for four days is a ludicrous amount. All of the seratonin in your brain would likely be drained well before the end of an experiment such as this. After that, I have no doubt that there could be damage to the brain. We're talking about moderate use here though (in fact, not even moderate, just a one time thing). Note also that it doesn't go into specifics on how bad the damage was. You have to take articles like this with a grain of salt and not jump to conclusions right away based on their suggestions.
Escape Goat
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Shouldn't the original poster take some personal responsibility and learn about this shit himself? If hes prepared to do something to endanger his wellbeing and/or life, I think he should be a little more concerned than throwing out a "Give me the facts and tell me what i need to know".
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
I wasn't basing everything on one article... however you can find pages of them... 100s of them just like that article... I used to take X... and I guess all I am saying is it does affect your body, and if people don't want to believe that...that's fine...
Spiritreaver
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Tim said:
Sorry, I'm not the one who feels like doing drugs, especially this one. I don't mind the more milder ones. But everything else I think that in itself is just plain silly. There are so many other things you can do for enjoyment. And there are plenty of things people here feel harsh about, and this is mine. I personally don't feel that anyone should want to do it, I think that's a problem. I think the curiosity to try it is understandable, but wanting? Meh. I can't see that as something smart or wise.
But hey, feel free to push this guy to do it.
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IAWTP
EDIT: I just realized what you guys were griping over me about.
Actually what I was trying to imply was not that you're going to get addicted after the first go, but rather when you are addicted your want for it is a given. I phrased it wrong, sorry about that.
Tim said:
Prejudiced? And why should he be receiving his own advice if he already follows it?
Fact is, drugs are drugs. They make you loopy and most are dangerous and can affect you in adverse, unpleasant ways. Even some prescription drugs can. Can you honestly give a GOOD reason (no "just cause I felt like trying it" bs) to even do it in the first place?
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I want to know if the original poster ended up trying E.
I tried E for the first time shortly after reading this thread, and a huge hole formed in my brai..... I had a great time.
I was at a club with a friend, everyone was doing it, and we decided that we would too (always wanted too, not peer pressure). It took a long time to kick in (was contemplating taking another, but I remembered reading that it would be like that), but once I realized it had hit, I was straight up loving it. I was very thirsty, but I cured that by drinking water (not drowning myself, just a few sips every few minutes because my mouth was very dry). I was clenching my teeth, so I chewed some gum (that's an experience in itself). I spent the night laughing, touching things, and saying almost everthing that came into my head, and it was a blast.
After my positive experience with E, I also tried shrooms and coke (not that I wouldn't have tried them anyway), and again I suffered no ill effects. I enjoyed taking shrooms, and actually solved a dispute that I don't think would haved ended otherwise, but I didn't think coke was so great (coke and sex do not mix). I never felt sick or depressed, and I haven't noticed my memory being any shittier than usual since trying them.
The facts say that most drugs can do negative things, but my belief is that if you prepare and don't overdo it, everythign will be ok. With E, there's a 1 in 50,000 chance that you will die, but when you're dealing with odds like that, perfectly safe things can sometimes kill you too.
I tried E for the first time shortly after reading this thread, and a huge hole formed in my brai..... I had a great time.
I was at a club with a friend, everyone was doing it, and we decided that we would too (always wanted too, not peer pressure). It took a long time to kick in (was contemplating taking another, but I remembered reading that it would be like that), but once I realized it had hit, I was straight up loving it. I was very thirsty, but I cured that by drinking water (not drowning myself, just a few sips every few minutes because my mouth was very dry). I was clenching my teeth, so I chewed some gum (that's an experience in itself). I spent the night laughing, touching things, and saying almost everthing that came into my head, and it was a blast.
After my positive experience with E, I also tried shrooms and coke (not that I wouldn't have tried them anyway), and again I suffered no ill effects. I enjoyed taking shrooms, and actually solved a dispute that I don't think would haved ended otherwise, but I didn't think coke was so great (coke and sex do not mix). I never felt sick or depressed, and I haven't noticed my memory being any shittier than usual since trying them.
The facts say that most drugs can do negative things, but my belief is that if you prepare and don't overdo it, everythign will be ok. With E, there's a 1 in 50,000 chance that you will die, but when you're dealing with odds like that, perfectly safe things can sometimes kill you too.
you're going to get a hole in your brain and then you'll od and the hole will spread to your penis and then you'll die and then your family will be arrested and beaten and then they will go to jail where they will be raped by chimpanzees in a bizarre experiment and when they are all dead i will shit on your lawn. all because of x.
that said, the odds are pretty slim that you'll end up with a serious problem on your hands, just so long as you keep it in moderation.
that said, the odds are pretty slim that you'll end up with a serious problem on your hands, just so long as you keep it in moderation.
Optimistic
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Pfft, I tried e a few weeks ago for the first time. I had a good time, it wasn't anything amazing, but still an enjoyable experience - and I didn not have a comedown, or feel bad at any point. Also, my state of mind has actually improved since taking it, but that might also be because I stopped smoking bud. And btw, reguarly smoking bud is waaaaaaaaay worse than trying e once. It is not as harmless as most think it is/make it out to be.
But if you're really looking for a good experience with little to no danger, take magic mushrooms. I did these a few weeks ago (for the first time also), and it was an amazing experience.
But if you're really looking for a good experience with little to no danger, take magic mushrooms. I did these a few weeks ago (for the first time also), and it was an amazing experience.
You might wind up making posts like this: http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=13204
BobbyRobby
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There's a good chance you'll become very "open". You may say a lot of shit you'll wish you hadn't said. I'd suggest against calling up any girls you have any sort of feelings for. They might get wierded out.
I, uh, read that on the internet. Sounds like good advice though.
I, uh, read that on the internet. Sounds like good advice though.
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BobbyRobby said:
I was able to control what I said to a limited degree. At the time I wanted to fuck the bathtub drain, and I was thinking about telling my friend, but I knew he would find that weird, and I was able to hold it in.
I would also recommend doing E with a girl. You don't need to have sex (though it would be good), but you would get to know eachother alot better, and if you have any insecurities, or aren't 100% comfortable around girls, this could help.
There are many people (ie. everyone in the 1970s) that would disagree with you. It's the only reason I did the garbage more than once. Grrrrr, I hate amphetamines. I'm a spaz and they tend to accentuate that.
Mushrooms. . .mmmmm, psychadelics are the only thing I'll likely ever do again. Psychadelics and painkillers. I have drug interactions to worry about now. That's why I've sort of stopped drinking.
Great Wasabi Man
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My gf had half a tab last night when she went out, she came home said it sucked and will never do it again. It made her really sleepy and nautious. She's been feeling sick with a bad stomach ache and diarea today. I never tired it never really been curious enough to do so,
Lemurnator
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Do you mind slight death or brain damage?
different strokes for different folks.
people have adverse effects to alcohol, caffiene, and just about anything else so saying all drugs are bad u need to ease up on the coffee and rum etc etc etc.
E is probably one of the least dangerous of the recreational drugs, and nowhere near as dangerous as crack, coke, herion, special K, angel dust. It also is better than alcohol if u r a club owner, pissed people tend to fight, people on e almost can't fight.
E is cut up with viagra because it does impair your performance even while upping your desire. In sydney they sell party packs of 4 e's and 1 viagra.
It is very hard to od on e and those that do die on it die from what most would consider and unlikely threat, ie water poisoning. It heats u up and u get thirsty and drink, wouldn't be keen on it where i live given that 30C is a cool winters day.
There is too much black and white on this issue, those saying all drugs are bad need to look at the addictive effects of aclohol and the number of raod and other deaths from over consumption and should only eat organic foods so that u avoid all the steriods and shit in meat and chicken and vegies.
SO investigate the risks and make your own decisions then live with the consequences.
people have adverse effects to alcohol, caffiene, and just about anything else so saying all drugs are bad u need to ease up on the coffee and rum etc etc etc.
E is probably one of the least dangerous of the recreational drugs, and nowhere near as dangerous as crack, coke, herion, special K, angel dust. It also is better than alcohol if u r a club owner, pissed people tend to fight, people on e almost can't fight.
E is cut up with viagra because it does impair your performance even while upping your desire. In sydney they sell party packs of 4 e's and 1 viagra.
It is very hard to od on e and those that do die on it die from what most would consider and unlikely threat, ie water poisoning. It heats u up and u get thirsty and drink, wouldn't be keen on it where i live given that 30C is a cool winters day.
There is too much black and white on this issue, those saying all drugs are bad need to look at the addictive effects of aclohol and the number of raod and other deaths from over consumption and should only eat organic foods so that u avoid all the steriods and shit in meat and chicken and vegies.
SO investigate the risks and make your own decisions then live with the consequences.
From my own experience with drugs I can honestly say that when someone is asking for information or reassurance about taking a drug for the first time, they are about 99% sure in their own head what they are going to do. The person who made this thread has more than likely since taken E for the first time. One thing that person should take note of - Is, that you will never, ever get as high or feel as good as you did with your first E.
Continuing taking E is in some respects a pointless exercise - If you are taking it soley to get off. No matter how many times you drink alcohol you always get pissed - Taking E though can be very hit and miss, and every E after your first will be crap in comparison. A fact that will take time to register and will not be apparent until you seriously fuck up or luckily grow out of taking E. E is probably one of the only Class A drugs that you can and will grow out of - It's level of addication is very low in comparison to drugs like Cocaine and Caffine. As the drug is intinsically linked with Dance music, you will find as your love for Dance music decreases, so too will your need and want to get off your tits on E.
The US is WAY beind the Europeans in regards to E usage and experience. E has had a major impact in Europe, but the threat has to some degree became somehwhat weaker; probably due to the weakening of the potency of the drug. Demand for E in Europe has also fallen considerably. Ten years ago a Pill would have cost £15, that "same" pill to-day retails at £3.
So whatever way you look at it - E has not only fallen in price and demand, but also in popularity and in the image stakes. What was once seen as The.Best.Drug is now viewed by many as nothing more than a cheap party trick.
Continuing taking E is in some respects a pointless exercise - If you are taking it soley to get off. No matter how many times you drink alcohol you always get pissed - Taking E though can be very hit and miss, and every E after your first will be crap in comparison. A fact that will take time to register and will not be apparent until you seriously fuck up or luckily grow out of taking E. E is probably one of the only Class A drugs that you can and will grow out of - It's level of addication is very low in comparison to drugs like Cocaine and Caffine. As the drug is intinsically linked with Dance music, you will find as your love for Dance music decreases, so too will your need and want to get off your tits on E.
The US is WAY beind the Europeans in regards to E usage and experience. E has had a major impact in Europe, but the threat has to some degree became somehwhat weaker; probably due to the weakening of the potency of the drug. Demand for E in Europe has also fallen considerably. Ten years ago a Pill would have cost £15, that "same" pill to-day retails at £3.
So whatever way you look at it - E has not only fallen in price and demand, but also in popularity and in the image stakes. What was once seen as The.Best.Drug is now viewed by many as nothing more than a cheap party trick.
Nope ecstacy isn't harmful as long of course as you don't make it a habbit (nothing is good if you make it a habbit) and don't mix it with alcohol (not that you'll die instantly like the Hollywood movies are "teaching" us, but it's not good -use lots of water). The other stuff are just ridiculous propaganda.
Mr Gump said:
Well if you believe you can win the lottery with a 1 in 10+ million chance... and the chance of death with ecstasy is much higher, well, maybe you'd want to keep buying lottery tickets.
That or get your condition checked out; find out if you're one of those people with the violent reaction to MDM...
sasimirobot
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If someone asked "should I try alcohol", I wouldnt hesitate to say NO.
I feel like most of the anti-drug zealots have no clue to what "harmful" and "addictive" really are unless they have tried a variety drugs themselves.
Here is my list (non scientific of course) of drugs from worst/most addictive/dangerous:
1. alcohol
2. tobacco
3. speed
4. coke/crack/heroin/hard drugs
5. Ecstacy
6. Coffee
7. Pot
I have been in a battle with alcohol since my early teens, I have seen how it wrecks families and lives. I would happily spend my last 5$ on a bottle of beer before a plate of food.
Ecstasy is fun, yes. But not life changing ( for me).
I feel like most of the anti-drug zealots have no clue to what "harmful" and "addictive" really are unless they have tried a variety drugs themselves.
Here is my list (non scientific of course) of drugs from worst/most addictive/dangerous:
1. alcohol
2. tobacco
3. speed
4. coke/crack/heroin/hard drugs
5. Ecstacy
6. Coffee
7. Pot
I have been in a battle with alcohol since my early teens, I have seen how it wrecks families and lives. I would happily spend my last 5$ on a bottle of beer before a plate of food.
Ecstasy is fun, yes. But not life changing ( for me).
chocoholic
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I still dont get why people want to take drugs. Sure, it might be one of the best feelings at the time but it could screw up the rest of your life.
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You answered your own question. And if you're responsible it won't screw up anything. If you're a complete idiot then you'll end up a junkie. Plus you can't compare "drugs" like pot and exctasy with heroin crack speed etc etc. You just can't put them in the same category.
Meh, trying it once is nothing. I've done it 3 or 4 times and have no ill effects...none I can tell at least. I'll do it again. Hell, I've been trying, but there are always cheaper and sometimes better alternatives available, so it'll happen, but sometime in the future.
Any drug can be done in moderation. Yes, even herione, although I find that just ridiculous to think about. But it happens, and lives aren't always destroyed and worlds shattered. Read up on Erowid and see if you agree or not. Read about the effects and precautions. It's nothing really, and ecstasy has had a big deal made of it. It's really just fear-mongering.
I know a number of people who've rolled hundreds of times and been fine. Neither does it on a regular basis anymore, it was just a phase. One has anxiety, and one has depression, but I don't know if those are conditions brought on by drugs or some other shit that happened in their lives. Meh, I'd like to see some of the numbers, like what percentage of ecstasy users experience depression compared to the national average. I don't buy it. It should be demographic for demographic, like teens to teens. The age of the users has some play in it.
Anyway, I'm not gonna go out and say you have to try it, but IMO, it's a fun little drug. Gets you extremely happy and pleasant, you'll have some of the best conversations, although you might not remember them much later. Videotape yourself if you can, it can be pretty funny to look at later, and have some good music handy b/c it'll be a lot more fun. Raves kick ass on this stuff btw, and that's coming from someone who doesn't always dig raves. The drinking water thing is wierd. I'll be honest, I drank a lot of beer whenever I rolled. I would drink some water at the same time, but mostly beer. I'd get cotton mouth, but that's about it. It's not recommended anyway, since beer doesn't do anything for you. I was just a big boozehound back then. :lol: The grinding of the teeth is a drawback for me. I'd chew up the inside of my mouth whenever I did it, and my mouth would be raw for a few days afterward. A mouthguard would work wonders. So you can clamp down on it. A soft, chewey one would be ideal. I never had one. Gum might help too. Anyway, don't buy from people you don't trust. That goes without saying for many things in life. Just use your head and think before you do it. It may not seem major, but think things through fully and you'll stay out of trouble. PEACE.
EDIT: I'm not trying to advocate or anything, but...the more you know. That kinda thing. Better to get too much info than not enough.
Any drug can be done in moderation. Yes, even herione, although I find that just ridiculous to think about. But it happens, and lives aren't always destroyed and worlds shattered.
Read up on Erowid and see if you agree or not. Read about the effects and precautions. It's nothing really, and ecstasy has had a big deal made of it. It's really just fear-mongering.I know a number of people who've rolled hundreds of times and been fine. Neither does it on a regular basis anymore, it was just a phase. One has anxiety, and one has depression, but I don't know if those are conditions brought on by drugs or some other shit that happened in their lives. Meh, I'd like to see some of the numbers, like what percentage of ecstasy users experience depression compared to the national average. I don't buy it. It should be demographic for demographic, like teens to teens. The age of the users has some play in it.
Anyway, I'm not gonna go out and say you have to try it, but IMO, it's a fun little drug. Gets you extremely happy and pleasant, you'll have some of the best conversations, although you might not remember them much later. Videotape yourself if you can, it can be pretty funny to look at later, and have some good music handy b/c it'll be a lot more fun. Raves kick ass on this stuff btw, and that's coming from someone who doesn't always dig raves. The drinking water thing is wierd. I'll be honest, I drank a lot of beer whenever I rolled. I would drink some water at the same time, but mostly beer. I'd get cotton mouth, but that's about it. It's not recommended anyway, since beer doesn't do anything for you. I was just a big boozehound back then. :lol: The grinding of the teeth is a drawback for me. I'd chew up the inside of my mouth whenever I did it, and my mouth would be raw for a few days afterward. A mouthguard would work wonders. So you can clamp down on it. A soft, chewey one would be ideal. I never had one. Gum might help too. Anyway, don't buy from people you don't trust. That goes without saying for many things in life. Just use your head and think before you do it. It may not seem major, but think things through fully and you'll stay out of trouble. PEACE.
EDIT: I'm not trying to advocate or anything, but...the more you know. That kinda thing. Better to get too much info than not enough.
MrPing1000
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Its all over the terrorists have won. Poison your family!
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White Man said:
What about the lack of climax with coke? I was having a great time, but when girls are getting pissed off that it's taking you too long, it loses some of it's charm.
I really enjoyed shrooms. I didn't do anything for the first 2 hours, but after that I felt normal, but completely comfortable and happy. I tried to make myself feel like that after the trip wore off, but couldn't. I wish there was a regular pill that made you feel like that. Mushrooms aren't too easy to get here.
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