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If you're a D.C. resident, you should be OUTRAGED on how Cropp & Co. are playing you!

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Willco

Hollywood Square
Many of you are aware of the public shitstorm that swept through the D.C. Council in the middle of the night a couple of days ago.

In its wake, the D.C. Council left baseball dead and the Washington Nationals searching for a new home. They probably won't play in RFK Stadium at all this year and most likely will start playing games in Puerto Rico again. It is also not impossible for the team to go back to Olympic Stadium, contrary to popular belief.

It was killed by Linda Cropp, the same public official that sat in on every meeting, conversation and negotiation with MLB since July. She happily approved the deal, told the Mayor he had her support and when MLB held a rally to usher back baseball into D.C., she sang and applauded with much jubiliation.

Regardless of your feelings about, some people hate it and some people don't, if you're a D.C. resident, you should be outraged. Cropp and her cronies have played the District residents like a fiddle, feeding off their ignorance to advance their own political careers. And this angers me more than losing baseball itself.

Cropp & Co. are parading this ammendment around as if they just saved District citizens from evil white baseball owners stealing their tax money.

This is bullshit.

You know who is paying the bill for all of this? The eventual owner, the fans and the biggest businesses that operate in D.C. Not Joe Schmoe. The owner and the stadium will repay the city from taxes on revenue, merchandise, etc. The rest of the funds will come from big businesses (all of which have to meet some high revenue per year standard), many of whom endorse the stadium since they're investing in the Anacostia waterfront project and want to see more MD/VA area people spend their money in our nation's capital. That's it. Those are the people being taxed.

But because people are uninformed, Cropp is using this as a platform for her bid for mayor. Instead of saying, "Hey, you guys in Ward 8, you're not being taxed," she'd rather further this belief in residents, who apparently are the only people that don't read The Washington Fuckin' Post.

Then there are people who keep saying this money should be spent on schools and libraries. What the hell. If baseball goes, all that money goes. It's not like the District is just printing free money to give to MLB. This is a loan and it must be paid back. Sure, let's invest $550 million in schools, but all of the District residents have to pay that back, and unlike the big businesses who will be repaying the stadium (and won't really feel the loss), District residents will be hurting afterwards from such high tax hikes.

It's a tragedy, an embarrassment or whatever the hell you want to call it. Linda Cropp has also built a wall around the city, trying to separate her constinuents from the bordering communities in MD and VA. Those same communities that work in the District, spend their income in the District and were warmly welcome to spend their hard-earned dollars on the Washington Nationals when originally announced.

But the biggest embarrassment is how Cropp is playing all those District residents for a fool. She doesn't respect their intelligence and that's just sad.
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
Drozmight said:
That sucks. I wonder where the team will end up now.

My guess is Puerto Rico for the time being. Monterrey has a stadium, but changing the 2005 schedule to fit in travel to Mexico would be a nightmare for MLB.

After this season? Who knows. Probably Portland.

I know a lot of people say Vegas, but baseball is not going to Vegas anytime soon. It just isn't. Probably not while Selig is in power.
 

Drozmight

Member
Portland would be awesome. I'd love a Seattle / Portland rivalry... much like the Yankees and Red Sox. Seattle's my team though.
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
I also want to say I'm pretty angry at Mayor Anthony Williams for deciding to go to China at a time when he needed to inform his constituents of the facts and sell his plan for baseball.

If this thing does indeed fall through, and it's looking like it will by all accounts, this will probably kill his legacy.
 

AstroLad

Hail to the KING baby
Drozmight said:
Portland would be awesome. I'd love a Seattle / Portland rivalry... much like the Yankees and Red Sox. Seattle's my team though.

They could try to put together a team as nuts as the Jailblazers! Let's see... Carl Crawford, Milton Bradley, maybe bring back Albert Belle as a hitting coach...
 

bishoptl

Banstick Emeritus
Well, considering the snarky remarks made by Washington politicos once the original deal went through, I can't say I'm not slightly amused by everything blowing up in their faces.

This isn't a slam at you personally, Federman, I know how much you want baseball in your city. In fact, Washington's been looking for a team over the past 3 decades, according to Wilbon's column yesterday - but I know that when I read that one fellow's jibe about how Montrealers could "come on down and visit their team any time they like" *cue jolly laughter from everyone on stage*, I was pissed off.

Funny how this Cropp lady didn't bring this up before the agreement was signed.
 
Cropp acknowledged that the list of concessions Williams presented to her Monday night met every one of those demands. But she said she wanted more, and that she gave Williams "language, amendments I had written" to take back to baseball officials. She described those amendments yesterday in vague terms, saying she wanted more "shared costs."

What. The. Fuck.

her demands were met, but whe wanted more? what a petty little bitch.
 

teiresias

Member
I'm confused, so is all of this outrage that people now have toward this woman supposed to actually help her in her bid for mayor or something? I know nothing about Washington DC city politics though, so excuse my ignorance of how this is all working.
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
teiresias said:
I know nothing about Washington DC city politics though, so excuse my ignorance of how this is all working.




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logic gets thrown out the window with DC politics... funnily enough, he was much better than his successor.

I swear Angelos bought Cropp, he had his way after all.
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
levious said:
I swear Angelos bought Cropp, he had his way after all.

I was just thinking Angelos has to be somewhere laughing his ass off...
 

calder

Member
It's always nice to see an organization as inept as the NHL fucking shit up. :lol

This isn't a slam at you personally, Federman, I know how much you want baseball in your city. In fact, Washington's been looking for a team over the past 3 decades, according to Wilbon's column yesterday - but I know that when I read that one fellow's jibe about how Montrealers could "come on down and visit their team any time they like" *cue jolly laughter from everyone on stage*, I was pissed off.
I felt the EXACT same way. Shitty for the fans in DC, but that press conference really annoyed me.

*flashbacks of smug Phoenix officials patting themselves on the back at the successful theft of a beloved hockey team, only to treat the team like a novelty for half a year then ignore it anyway the fuckers* :(
 

Lhadatt

Member
This is what you get when you subsidize sports franchises (read: PRIVATELY-HELD COMPANIES) with government funds.

Houston got the shaft three times in the past 10 years due to this. Now the town's got three new stadiums the public has to foot the bill for in some manner.

These sports people are the ultimate con-artists.
 

MASB

Member
DMczaf said:
Las Vegas is starting to look like a retro-mobster Disneyland. :p

As for the Nationals, it sucks that the deal looks completely dead because of the apparent political posturing of some over ambitious nut. It would have been fun/historically significant to have a team in DC. Are there rumors for any other city possibily getting the team permanently besides Las Vegas and Portland?
 

calder

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Damn, did Will get banned? I don't always trust the the status thing, but maybe I'll check his last posts to see if it looks like legit banning. ;)


This mess is pretty funny though. Civic politics can be just awe-inspiringly goofy, since you have minor "politicians" and 3rd rate businemen who get elected to council because they spent a few hundred dollars on flysers making decisions for large urban centers. My city used to have the biggest collection of nut jobs and borderline retards in the history of civic politics, but now it looks like DC might be #1.

The first washingtonpost article made Cropp sound both dishonest and confused, and the new article makes everyone sound like a flake. :lol
Cropp acknowledged that the list of concessions Williams presented to her Monday night met every one of those demands. But she said she wanted more, and that she gave Williams "language, amendments I had written" to take back to baseball officials. She described those amendments yesterday in vague terms, saying she wanted more "shared costs."

For those who don't wanna sign up for the article:
Cropp Asks Baseball For Time On Stadium

By David Nakamura and Thomas Heath
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, December 17, 2004; Page A01

D.C. Council Chairman Linda W. Cropp challenged Major League Baseball officials yesterday to extend the deadline for the city to approve a stadium financing package for a few months so the District can find private money to add to the deal.

The council and baseball have been engaged in a standoff over the future of the Washington Nationals since late Tuesday night, when Cropp (D) attached an amendment to the stadium legislation that requires half the cost of a ballpark to be paid through private funds.

"Give us a few months to finalize private financing," Cropp said at an afternoon news conference at the John A. Wilson Building. "If not, the legislation stands."

Baseball President Robert A. DuPuy, who was informed of Cropp's statement by a reporter, rejected her request.

"We are expecting the Dec. 31 commitment date to be fulfilled," DuPuy said in an interview. He added: "We are not negotiating. We made our concessions in the course of negotiations with the mayor and made some clarifications we thought would satisfy the mayor and the council."

Two days after the council altered the agreement, neither the city nor Major League Baseball had moved closer to forging a solution that could secure the baseball team for the city. Although Mayor Anthony A. Williams (D) had promised to talk with Cropp, the two did not meet. Baseball officials declined to say whether they had contacted any city officials.

Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.) said yesterday that a top Major League Baseball official called him on Wednesday to discuss options facing baseball, the District and other regions interested in landing the franchise -- including Northern Virginia -- should the Washington deal unravel. Davis, who said that Congress should not get directly involved, said he thinks the chances are "better than 50-50" that the Washington deal will survive.

Davis said that baseball was not locked into a "take it or leave it" mode and ventured that the parties could probably sit down "and find 20 ways to make it work."

Davis said that the District should make the first move and that D.C. Council members would damage Washington's national business image for "this mayor, the next mayor and the next" if they did not reach an agreement.

Mayoral spokesman Chris Bender said Williams will not ask baseball to push back the deadline.

"We are not in the position to be asking that," he said. "We, the city, broke a commitment. Because of that, we can't be in the position of making demands. Obviously, it would be great if we had more time, but it's not up to us."

DuPuy rejected the council's plan Wednesday, calling it "wholly unacceptable," and shut down business and promotional activities related to the Nationals. Baseball officials said they might choose not to have the team play at Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium next season if the council does not stand by Williams's original agreement, which relies on public funds for the new stadium.

Baseball sources said yesterday that Commissioner Bud Selig and DuPuy, his top adviser, would take more active roles in the stalemate with the city. Many of the day-to-day negotiations with District officials have been conducted by Chicago White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf, baseball's chief negotiator in the original stadium agreement.

It was unclear whether baseball plans to talk directly with Cropp, who said at her news conference that she had not spoken to baseball officials.

Major League Baseball, which has shut the Nationals team store at RFK, continued to take measures to halt its operations in Washington.

Officials said that they had suspended indefinitely the sale of the Nationals, which baseball owners purchased from Jeffrey Loria in February 2002 for $120 million. Twenty-eight groups have inquired about buying the Nationals, with about eight placing a $100,000, partially refundable deposit, according to a league spokesman.

Baseball also has halted negotiations on a compensation package with Baltimore Orioles owner Peter G. Angelos, who is concerned about a loss of revenue if Washington gets a team.

Nationals President Tony Tavares, who is in California this week to be on hand for the birth of a grandson, said that by 5:30 p.m. yesterday, about 150 of the more than 16,000 people who put down deposits on season tickets had called to get a refund of their $300. Baseball offered refunds Wednesday in a statement released by DuPuy.

City leaders said they are running out of time to come to an agreement. The council can reconsider the stadium financing legislation at its final meeting of the year Tuesday, but Cropp would have to agree because she sets the agenda. Cropp has said she would be open to doing so if Major League Baseball offered significant cost-saving concessions.

Council members Harold Brazil (D-At Large), Jack Evans (D-Ward 2) and Vincent B. Orange Sr. (D-Ward 5), who supported using public funds to build the stadium, lashed out at Cropp at a news conference.

"If it dies, it's because Mrs. Cropp killed baseball," Orange said of the baseball deal. He added that most business leaders are comfortable with the gross receipts tax that is to be used to help pay for the $530 million in bonds to cover construction. A late change in the legislation Tuesday night lowered the amount businesses would have to pay, from $26 million a year to $14 million. The additional $12 million would be funded through a utilities tax on businesses and government buildings.

Evans and Mark Tuohey, chairman of the D.C. Sports and Entertainment Commission, had separate meetings with Cropp yesterday. Evans said Cropp was standing firm in her position.

The legislation requires that Natwar M. Gandhi, the city's chief financial officer, seek bids for private financing options and forward to the council any plan that he can certify as workable. If no plan is found by June, the stadium deal would die.

Baseball owners are fearful that the uncertain nature of the council's requirement for private funding could lower the potential sale price of the team. But Cropp has been concerned about the potential rising costs of the stadium project, which has been pegged to cost up to $584 million by some city officials when infrastructure and land acquisition costs are factored in.

Mayoral aides said the ballpark structure will cost about $279 million, so the council's legislation requires that $140 million be funded with private money.

Cropp said entrepreneurs have offered several new private financing plans since the council's action Tuesday. So far, Cropp and administration officials have said that one of the most viable plans would raise as much as $100 million by charging motorists to park along the curbs in neighborhoods surrounding the stadium.

Staff writers Spencer S. Hsu and Barry Svrluga contributed to this report.
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
It is my hope that when the deal officially falls through come Dec 31. that the Post does it's best to let everyone who reads it know that the deal fell through because of Cropp's grandstanding.
 

Shinobi

Member
calder said:
It's always nice to see an organization as inept as the NHL fucking shit up. :lol

:lol That was the first thought I had when I first heard about this mess. I still can't believe it...there's no fucking way they can go back to Montreal, even for a week. What a joke...it's been a while since I've seen something in the sports world that equals this in terms of complete embarassment.




Lhadatt said:
This is what you get when you subsidize sports franchises (read: PRIVATELY-HELD COMPANIES) with government funds.

Houston got the shaft three times in the past 10 years due to this. Now the town's got three new stadiums the public has to foot the bill for in some manner.

These sports people are the ultimate con-artists.

Yep...and then people still side with owners in labour disputes because they're "broke". :lol Sports fans really are the biggest suckers on earth.
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
Accord Reached On D.C. Stadium

D.C. Mayor Anthony A. Williams and Council Chairman Linda W. Cropp said last night that they had reached agreement on a stadium financing package that would satisfy Major League Baseball by guaranteeing construction of a permanent home for the Washington Nationals along the Anacostia waterfront.

Under the new proposal, which the 13-member council is to vote on today, the city will purchase insurance for potential cost overruns on the stadium and split the payments with Major League Baseball. Also, District officials will continue pursuing private financing for the project for several months. But Cropp said she will drop a requirement that 50 percent of the construction costs be paid for with private money.

Cropp plans to offer the proposal today as an amendment to the legislation adopted last week requiring that at least 50 percent of stadium construction costs be privately financed. Yesterday, Cropp officially added the baseball issue to the council's agenda for its final regular meeting of the year, scheduled for 10 a.m. today.

Williams and Cropp announced the agreement at a news conference at 11:10 last night, following a long day of negotiations between the mayor's office, the council chairman and baseball executives.

Cropp said the proposed changes could reduce the District's potential costs for the stadium by up to $193.5 million when compared with the deal Williams struck with baseball officials in September. She said she expects a council majority to approve the new agreement.

"The final legislation that will be presented tomorrow will offer the significantly lower costs and reduced risks to the District of Columbia that many of us said we were searching for," Cropp said last night.

Reached by phone in New York, Baseball President Robert A. DuPuy said last night: "We are very hopeful that by the end of the day tomorrow, legislation will be in place consistent with the baseball stadium agreement that will enable us to return Major League Baseball to Washington."

Williams and Cropp looked tired at their news conference in the John A. Wilson Building, and only Cropp gave the smallest hint of a smile. Williams moved his leg nervously as Cropp spoke.

"I always anticipated that as we brought a team here and moved through the process, we'd improve the deal," Williams said. "And I credit Chairman Cropp for accelerating the process. We're now able to bring baseball to the city and boost the morale and unite the city, but do it in a way that reduces the costs and decreased the risk."

Cropp (D), who has sought for weeks to ensure that the public costs for the stadium are limited, shocked the mayor last week by persuading the council to adopt the amendment requiring private financing. Baseball officials rejected that language, saying they were open to private financing but needed a guarantee that the stadium would be built with public money if private financing was not found. Baseball officials have given the city until Dec. 31 to approve an acceptable financing package.

Meanwhile, opponents of the stadium deal continued to stand against the revised proposal last night. Adrian M. Fenty (D-Ward 4), who was among six council members who voted against the stadium last week, said that the new proposal from Cropp and Williams would still cost too much in public funds.

Even if private financing is found for some of the costs, the city still expects to implement a gross receipts tax on large businesses and a utilities tax on businesses and federal offices.

"This is materially the exact same thing the mayor sent over," Fenty said. "It's a publicly financed stadium with less risk, but still a publicly financed stadium."

The Nationals, formerly the Montreal Expos, are scheduled to open their 2005 season at Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium in Washington. But after the council approved its legislation last week, baseball officials said that the team might not play in the nation's capital at all if the impasse over a new stadium remained unresolved by the Dec. 31 deadline.

The new stadium, to be built near the Navy Yard and South Capitol Street in Southeast Washington, has been estimated by various city officials to cost from $440 million to $584 million, including infrastructure and land acquisition. The ballpark itself would cost $279 million, meaning the legislation adopted last week would require $140 million in private financing.

Cropp said she agreed to remove the provision mandating private funds because she is confident that significant amounts of private money will be found. Already, she said, the city has a plan that Natwar M. Gandhi, the city's chief financial officer, has said can raise $100 million.

Cropp declined to be specific about that plan, but sources have said it entails charging motorists for curbside parking around the stadium. The Gates Group, a Cleveland-based private equity company, made that proposal weeks ago. Cropp emphasized that no company has been selected for any private financing plan.

The new proposal from Cropp and Williams would reduce the compensatory damages the city would have to pay if the new stadium did not open by March 2008. Most recently, Major League Baseball had said that the liability would be no more than $19 million per year. But under the new plan, baseball officials would agree to a provision saying that the city would not have to pay any compensatory damages if stadium construction were delayed. In return, the city would waive one year's rent payment of $5 million from the Nationals for playing at RFK.

Yesterday's negotiations began when Cropp met in the morning with City Administrator Robert C. Bobb and Mark Tuohey, chairman of the D.C. Sports and Entertainment Commission. Then she huddled with Williams (D) for about 12 minutes in the early afternoon.

Cropp left the Wilson building about 7:45 p.m. as the mayor and his staff were still working on terms of the proposed agreement. She returned to the building about 10 p.m.

Throughout the day and evening, the mayor's staff was seeking approval of the changes from baseball executives, who were communicating by telephone.

Last week, after the council adopted the amended legislation requiring private funding, DuPuy announced that the Nationals would shut down all business and promotional activities until further notice. DuPuy also offered refunds to fans who had put deposits on season tickets.

Nationals President Tony Tavares said last night that of the more than 16,000 people who put down $300 for season tickets, 563 had asked for a refund.

Last night, more than 200 baseball fans and local luminaries gathered at the AFL-CIO headquarters in downtown Washington for about 90 minutes for a rally, anxiously awaiting good news that never came.

The crowd began dispersing shortly after 7:30 p.m., but not before it heard Charlie Brotman, the former Washington Senators announcer, and others wax nostalgic about baseball in Washington. Cropp acknowledged that the acrimony surrounding the debate over baseball has caused divisions among some city residents and leaders.

"For whatever reason, this really was an issue that captured people's hearts," she said. "Tonight, as I sit here next to the mayor, it's time to bring this city back and work together with the citizens."


Cropp will now try to use this to boost her political career... you know that right?
 
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