Topher
Identifies as young
It was a joke.
IGN is confused about DRM and needing to download a profile to play X1X games
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It was a joke.
retsof624
Member
I just tested this out. I unplugged the Ethernet cable from my Series X and was able to still open games. I plugged it back in, went into the settings and made it so my console wasn't my home Xbox, unplugged the Ethernet and tried to open a game again. It wouldn't let me play a game because I wasn't signed in to Xbox Live.
Blond
Banned
My bad lol sometimes it's really hard to tell here
Topher
Identifies as young
I hear ya, man. I should have put "jk" or "/s" at the end
kingfey
Banned
You need to set it home, while the internet is available. Once you do that, it will be easy.
Also, if you took out the home mode, the console won't let you play the games offline. Weird drm thing.
Works the same on the PlayStation, they just call it "Primary Console" instead of "Home Console".
spookyfish
Gold Member
Spell. Ignorant. IGN. etc.
GymWolf
Member
From her disgusted expression i can already identify the sex and race of that caterpillar...Don't forget the superior cuisine.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
You don't even need a PSN account for updates, don't know where you got that shit from.
prinz_valium
Member
Lol comments locked, so no one can correct their BS
Warablo
Member
I was talking about 360/OG Xbox games. Xbox One games are of course native on the Series X. Which automatically upgrade them usually to the Series X version.
I don't think you can put a Ps3 game or older and have it work on the PS5.
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FranXico
Member
Incorrect. I copied my PS4 saves over to the PS5 using a USB stick.
SafeOrAlone
Banned
What is happening.
Can I play my xbox games in a zombie apocalypse or not, for heaven's sake??
Can I play my xbox games in a zombie apocalypse or not, for heaven's sake??
The Pleasure
Gold Member
A normal reaction to squidwards hitbox.
I think he means you can't copy PS5 saves to a USB stick.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
People would game share even more extensively than they currently do.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
"After the severe hostility received towards us and others by the fan community, which comes across as purely fragile in the face of an attempt to protect consumer rights and ensure Xbox's incredible content legacy was preserved. We feel no option was left available to us"
I can't see any negative replies to them.
"FYI we don't read notifications
"What are they responding to?
BigBooper
Member
"After the severe hostility received towards us and others by the fan community, which comes across as purely fragile in the face of an attempt to protect consumer rights and ensure Xbox's incredible content legacy was preserved. We feel no option was left available to us"
I can't see any negative replies to them.
"FYI we don't read notifications
What are they responding to?
The imaginary voices in their head?
ReBurn
Gold Member
How often does this happen?
BigBooper
Member
Twice in the past three or four months. Once a week ago.
"After the severe hostility received towards us and others by the fan community, which comes across as purely fragile in the face of an attempt to protect consumer rights and ensure Xbox's incredible content legacy was preserved. We feel no option was left available to us"
I can't see any negative replies to them.
"FYI we don't read notifications
What are they responding to?
anthony2690
Member
I'm actually convinced they are just trying to bring more attention to themselves at this point lol
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If you look at their account most of the stuff they retweet is PlayStation related. They obviously were trying to start some console war controversy and it blew up in their faces.
BusierDonkey
Member
Is it even possible for journalists to be truthful anymore?
I mean, obviously not, but it's become laughable.
I mean, obviously not, but it's become laughable.
What clock issue? Is that like the PS4 cbomb?
Which is it? My understanding is no Xbox one game is native on xsx. Your disc is just a code to download an xsx exe and some installer files. It's a clever concept but isn't really game backwards compatibility preservation. It's like software forward licensing.
Yeah if we are talking about older systems Sony is wrong and stupid for not installing an emulator for older PlayStation consoles.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
We stopped owning games last gen. When will people let go?
Shmunter
Member
W
hat do you mean? I have a great physical collection complementing my digital one
alabtrosMyster
Member
It's still bad, the label does not matter.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Day one patches, the push to digital. It all started last gen. This gen they are just driving the nail home. We don't own games anymore, and most physical disks are just keys at this point. Sure there are exceptions, but game ownership is dead and has been for awhile.
Topher
Identifies as young
"After the severe hostility received towards us and others by the fan community, which comes across as purely fragile in the face of an attempt to protect consumer rights and ensure Xbox's incredible content legacy was preserved. We feel no option was left available to us"
I can't see any negative replies to them.
"FYI we don't read notifications
What are they responding to?
Their statement is a bit ironic as they come across as incredibly "fragile" themselves. I'm really not sure what response they thought they were going to get from all this. Hell.....they're on twitter!
Gordon Freeman
Member
The issue with the Series consoles is that it requires a one time online activation out of the box. Which does suck, and if your console has an issue and you have to activate it again and those servers are closed then the console is a brick.
The article is confused, Series games on disc work offline but they are few and far between. All the Series games that are cross gen have the Xbox One version on disc and you have to download the entire Series version. So once again requiring internet so if the servers are closed in the future your disc is a last gen version and nothing more. Over time as cross gen fades we will see more Series only discs but right now it's fairly rough with only about 10 titles with dedicated Series discs.
Finally yes the backwards compatibility is totally reliant on being online for Xbox One games and below to download a config file or in the case of 360 games and original Xbox games an entire download of the game that is wrapped in their emulator.
Like many have said here it would be great if these config files could just be pre-loaded onto the console. The Xbox 360 did this for original Xbox games, meaning you didn't have to be online or download anything when popping in one of those original Xbox discs.
There are a lot of weird hoops to jump through that require an online connection with Series consoles.
The biggest issue is the one time online activation when using it for the first time or activating it again. PS5, Switch etc don't require this.
However, in the end the CMOS battery issue that effects the PS3, PS4, PS4 Pro, PS5 disc and PS5 digital is even worse. Since for the Series consoles it's a hypothetical scenario if MS shuts down servers. Meanwhile the battery dying in those Sony consoles is real and when it dies it won't allow you to play any disc or digital games on PS4 consoles for example. Or any digital games on your PS5 digital and even some disc PS5 games with the disc edition. This is DRM, where your access to your games is connected to the internal clock and the license it is keeping track of. So if it can't figure out the date it can't figure out if you can play it. This is DRM.
That battery will eventually die and unlike the Wii and Wii U that have a nice accessible slot to replace it with, the Sony consoles require you to completely open up and take apart the console to replace it, which many people will not have the capacity to do.
CMOS is a way bigger issue than a hypothetical MS server shutdown. Also remember your Xbox account is not just that, it is your MS account if you want to use Office, Teams etc. So if they were to shut down servers that means they would shut down all their accounts and services entirely which is just unnecessary to worry about when CMOS is an actual issue.
Modern Vintage Gamer has yet to do a dedicated CMOS video. With him working for Limited Run Games (that only do Switch, PC and Playstation) it's clear he doesn't want to ruffle Sony's feathers being in business deals with them. So he's lost all credibility to me at this point.
The article is confused, Series games on disc work offline but they are few and far between. All the Series games that are cross gen have the Xbox One version on disc and you have to download the entire Series version. So once again requiring internet so if the servers are closed in the future your disc is a last gen version and nothing more. Over time as cross gen fades we will see more Series only discs but right now it's fairly rough with only about 10 titles with dedicated Series discs.
Finally yes the backwards compatibility is totally reliant on being online for Xbox One games and below to download a config file or in the case of 360 games and original Xbox games an entire download of the game that is wrapped in their emulator.
Like many have said here it would be great if these config files could just be pre-loaded onto the console. The Xbox 360 did this for original Xbox games, meaning you didn't have to be online or download anything when popping in one of those original Xbox discs.
There are a lot of weird hoops to jump through that require an online connection with Series consoles.
The biggest issue is the one time online activation when using it for the first time or activating it again. PS5, Switch etc don't require this.
However, in the end the CMOS battery issue that effects the PS3, PS4, PS4 Pro, PS5 disc and PS5 digital is even worse. Since for the Series consoles it's a hypothetical scenario if MS shuts down servers. Meanwhile the battery dying in those Sony consoles is real and when it dies it won't allow you to play any disc or digital games on PS4 consoles for example. Or any digital games on your PS5 digital and even some disc PS5 games with the disc edition. This is DRM, where your access to your games is connected to the internal clock and the license it is keeping track of. So if it can't figure out the date it can't figure out if you can play it. This is DRM.
That battery will eventually die and unlike the Wii and Wii U that have a nice accessible slot to replace it with, the Sony consoles require you to completely open up and take apart the console to replace it, which many people will not have the capacity to do.
CMOS is a way bigger issue than a hypothetical MS server shutdown. Also remember your Xbox account is not just that, it is your MS account if you want to use Office, Teams etc. So if they were to shut down servers that means they would shut down all their accounts and services entirely which is just unnecessary to worry about when CMOS is an actual issue.
Modern Vintage Gamer has yet to do a dedicated CMOS video. With him working for Limited Run Games (that only do Switch, PC and Playstation) it's clear he doesn't want to ruffle Sony's feathers being in business deals with them. So he's lost all credibility to me at this point.
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Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Yes.
Wrong, Microsoft could also just disconnect a certain range of Xbox systems (e.g. Xbox 360).
It's bad, but there is actually a reasonable technical reason for that.
Gordon Freeman
Member
Why would they? They support all those platforms and the 360 platform is needed since it brings over your cloud saves and settings over for 360 games. Everything is possible but I'm just tired of focusing on HYPOTHETICAL situations and blowing them up when Sony has an actual real DRM issue that can be replicated and proven through testing of the CMOS battery.
Bridges
Member
You can game share, or you can play your games offline. This is not new, it's been the case since 2013 or whenever the XB1 first came out. If you want offline games, set your console as your home.
I think not being able to play offline is a fair trade off for getting 2 copies of all your digital games, but you're not locked in, and by default you should still have offline access.
It's weird to me how often this has been coming up lately as if it's something people are just realizing, unless there's a new wrinkle to it I've yet to be made aware of.
I think not being able to play offline is a fair trade off for getting 2 copies of all your digital games, but you're not locked in, and by default you should still have offline access.
It's weird to me how often this has been coming up lately as if it's something people are just realizing, unless there's a new wrinkle to it I've yet to be made aware of.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
I think we should just name all preservation issues, independent of what our console alignments are. Since Xbox disc games are playable always offline, as long as you play them on their native system, I do think that the Microsoft situation is better than the Sony situation right now, but acting like Microsoft would never ever disconnect Xbox product lines is just stupid.
They literally migrated their entire Xbox 360 store back-end over to the modern one that the XBO/XS uses just to keep it alive instead of just shutting it down. That's why you can now use MS store credit to buy 360 games and you couldn't when they were on the old store.
Warablo
Member
Every game is native, same with most Ps4 games on the Ps5. They are basically the same system, but after re-reading the thread OP again, maybe I am arguing about the wrong thing, because I never tried playing my Series X without ever connecting the internet once.
I think you're thinking of 360/OG Xbox games. Where you usually need a one time patch/download profile of your Xbox 360 profile to play an old game.
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Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
That does not give me anyguarantees for what will be happening in ten or twenty years. E.g. if Microsoft ever decides to leave the console business, or swap to a fully streaming based service.
Read another way…. Though completely stupid and shitty that a cmos is buried inside a PS5, Sony's PS5 can play PS4 and PS5 disc based games without any internet at any point (even after a cmos replacement).
I must admit there are shitty games that do not work without online (I think Call of Duty) that released on PlayStation consoles but I do not totally fault Sony for that portion.
I assume that as soon as Microsoft figures out a way to close that loophole that they will do so.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
I do not think that loophole can be closed unless they either disallow offline play altogether or they disallow usage of an Xbox account on a different console. Even nintendo accepts this loophole now.