Gonzo The Great
Banned
IGN is not a person.
IGN: Splatoon's lack of voice chat is "cheap and lazy"
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IGN is not a person.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Options are evil!
Think of the children!
Yeah, i've just about given up on NeoGAF and Game Journalism now.
Not because there aren't wonderful people, but because everyone complains rather than enjoy what they have been given.
You can't moan at IGN's guy because it's his opinion, but you can moan about Nintendo's decision because their opinions are WRONG(!)
Yeah, but still I see more complaining about this issue on Media Sites than I did for BF3's lack of it. Just seems like people have gotten worse overall.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
The supreme court disagrees . Companies are people.
You can TOTALLY camp. It just has diminishing returns.
But If you want to push people back into their base, camping is a good way to do it.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
They didn't leave voice chat out because they thought not being able to communicate with people would make the game more fun. There is no logic to that. How would not being able to talk to other people make the game MORE fun? They did it because they're behind the times and don't understand online game modes and how they should be set up yet. It's obvious by all of the glaring omissions in pretty much every online game they've made for the Wii U.
It will definately discourage and damage the chance for a competitive community to grow that's for sure.
Not a person but does IGN not have a head editor? A person whose job is making sure the articles and reviews are consistent and in good quality.
test_account
XP-39C²
I see. Thanks for the info =)
Lol, well, i was under the impression that stocks were still a problem, but since i hadnt checked up on it in a long time, i had to ask
These are figures, not new discs that can be printed in an afternoon. They have said that it takes several months from commencement of figure creation to being in store and that is completely believable, especially considering the delicacy of many of the amiibo.
Restocks have begun. Japan has seen them, Australia has seen them and Europe & the US will be seeing them soon.
please bring this statement to its logical conclusion and come back to us.
"I have been given a game that is pretty mediocre. I'll enjoy it for what it is!"
"I was given a game that barely functions. I'll enjoy it for what it is!"
"I have been given a sandwich with shit on it, I'd rather enjoy it for what it is!"
Just because a game may be fun doesn't mean there isn't reason to criticize it.
Anecdotal and all, but I've played BF4 up to rank 25 or so on PS4 and I can honestly only think of one or two occasions where I heard randoms using voice chat, and that was only for random mumblings.
In my experience, people on console tend to only use voice chat when playing with friends, and that using the PS or XBL OS party chat, which blocks the chat with randoms anyway.
Best solution would be enabling Wii U OS party chat, this would shut down this whole drama.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
I do think the demand was severely underestimated... Haven't been doing anything with amiibos for months so I'm out of the loop
Fox Mulder
Member
the game looks great, but no voice chat killed it for me really. Plus there's only 1v1 local multiplayer and the single player is probably going be be insignificant.
Gonzo The Great
Banned
So IGN is biased because one reviewer doesn't care about voice chat and another one does? The Battlefield 3 review was also written FOUR YEARS AGO, so it's completely irrelevant.
Silent Chief
Member
The Wii U has a headset?
I just looked that up. While there are Nintendo licensed headset there doesn't seem to be any made by Nintendo. If that doesn't tell you anything...
I just looked that up. While there are Nintendo licensed headset there doesn't seem to be any made by Nintendo. If that doesn't tell you anything...
You and every other parent have to right to do so for the safety of their child but to call EVERYONE who tries to act friendly with a child a creep is narrow minded. Would you call Mother Theresa a creep if she came to your house upon invitation and acted friendly with your child?
I don't really think it's "lazy" (I mean, does it take a lot of time, effort, or money?). I think it's just the latest in a long line of boneheaded, backwards, or difficult to understand Nintendo decisions. I don't think this game is going to do well anyway so whatever.
"Nintendo fans" is not a person.
Because how many WiiU games have voice chat in any meaningful way?
Is it 0?
It's 0.
The gamepad has a camera in it too. Don't know why, nothing uses it.
Neither is Nintendo.
It's still common to treat companies as a whole since their output is a reflection of them no matter the individual responsible.
My problem with splatoon is the lack of party chat without an external device. While that's a wii-u issue more than it is a splatoon one, there's plenty of alternatives on PC. I actually avoid built-in voice chat in favor of skype/teamspeak/mumble on pc. There's no alternative on Wii-U. It's not really a fair comparison.
Ninja Of Chaos
Member
Why would a director want to make a silent movie in modern times? People not talking is no fun. No logic to it at all. The director is just behind the times.
Do you see how fucking weird that sounds? Only video-games are reviewed and critiqued like they are garage tools serving a function.
MickeyPhree
Member
I thought dude bro shooting players didn't like Nintendo games.
I've always taken out the campers. They're incredibly easy prey since they're always in the open and there are plenty of good blind spots. Also the higher platforms have very limited movement options so they have to come down at some point.
The Amiibo shortage is a US thing only it seems. Here where I live, I can find pretty much any Amiibo online and in random brick and mortar stores. Saw full shelves of Villager and Marths.
This is really a NoA specific criticism, and not Nintendo in general.
Petrae
Member
Nintendo Nation gets pretty ridiculous wherever and whenever it mobilizes, defending company honor as if it was a duty. This post is an unfortunate reminder.
Gonzo The Great
Banned
Of course not. I always make sure to say things like "some Nintendo fans" or "people" to avoid making broad generalizations. I'm a Nintendo fan and I definitely do not give them a free pass on anything.
Ultimately Nintendo is still responsible for the content in all games they publish. You could argue that "BUT IGN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL ARTICLES THEY PUBLISH", but reviews are opinion based. It's not an apt comparison at all.
Are you saying there are competitive people going out of their way to chat with their friends in order to win?
Must suck for the members here who will play this game as "intended." Good luck.
Ninja Of Chaos
Member
What you're doing is not criticism. It's complaining.
Yeah, it tells me Nintendo is banging rocks back in the cretaceous period.
Here are a couple of scenarios I can think of that have already been posted:
-Harrassment
-Whatever effect (negligeable or not) voice chat has on how smooth the experience is.
-As a design feature, they felt it unnecessary due to the amount of information on the screen and philosophy of game design they used.
etc.
The point is in creative work, you usually have a goal to bring entertainment to people. They probably thought the addition of voice chat, with whatever their design philosophy and experience was, wasn't sufficient enough to include it. The question was when it is acceptable to not include it, but I don't believe we can deem it acceptable due to our relationship with nintendo as consumers. Now you can complain about it and not buy it, but at the end of the day Nintendo is making the game so they get to decide what works or doesn't and whatever repercussions or fallout there is rests on them.
Of course not.
test_account
XP-39C²
Understood. Hopefully there will be a restock in the US as well soon.
I use it for Game'n' Wario and Wii Party U all the time. Mii Maker uses it too.
Part of me thinks that a lot of people didn't play multiplayer shooters because of that whole dudebro stigma, so along comes Splatoon, something that looks different, and they see it as a way to get into it. But the more it reflects other arena shooters, the more people want to keep it different, even if that means defending the removal of basic elements because "I dunno, kids might play it, I don't want to fuddle with options in the game, muting is hard right?"
Now that statement has no evidence behind it but...I don't know. No voice chat is a weird thing to rally for.
That is true, I did forget about Game'nWario.
I used the Mii Maker camera once. It generated something that didn't look remotely like me.
It's absolutely is a criticism to say a game lacks voice chat, and that it limits strategic options in a multiplayer setting due to that and that therefore it would be better with voice chat. Sorry you don't appreciate the criticism, but it indisputably is one. Next.
Louis Cyphre
Banned
Who forced you to come to this thread then? Telling people they are acting like crybabies over a feature that has become standard for many years now isn't about us acting juvenile, it's about why Nintendo continually tries to monitor what they think consumers want. What's worse are those who constantly defend their decisions that make absolutely no sense other than refusing to ever be critical towards them.
What's so difficult in understanding giving people options is not a bad thing?
loaf of bread
Member
ding ding ding.
giancarlo123x
Banned
You deserve a tag for posting the most ridiculous shit I've probably read on gaf yet.
Well reviews and editorials are more directly the opinion of an individual person rather than a company which outputs a physical product in which multiple parties have a defining influence.
Op-Eds in newspaper certainly don't reflect the opinion of all the staff working there or even a large number.
I honestly think it's a bit sadder that so many people are actually bothered by the Nintendo defense force. If someone wants to make up ridiculous arguments in defense of Nintendo... So what ...
This post is too good. Nintendo makes some great games but they are stuck in the past on a lot of things.
Yeah, diminishing returns.
The one thing I noticed about snipers during the stress test was that they didn't hide in the ink more to conseal their position more often. They would just keep firing. And in Splatoon that still helps but...it sort of negates the idea of a sniper, right?
The sniper rifle is a great offensive support weapon, but it doesn't really have much of a place in Turf war.