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[krypt0nian]

All the reasons that make WiiU video chat a pointless OS level feature are the same reasons any game not having voice chat built in on any platform no big deal.

Or am I wrong and WiiU video chat is more relevant than I believe?

He's going ALL IN, folks.

 

[NoMoreTrolls]

This thread will go down in Gaf History

Eh, seems pretty typical of a Nintendo thread. Tons of people pop up to defend backwards policies when it comes to the Nintendo faithful. That's not to say it doesn't happen with other companies either, just look at the posts in the post Xbox reveal threads. People get too attached to this shit and allow it to form their opinions into the kind of malarkey we're seeing here.

 

[maquiladora]

And any game thats not the same old pile of shit weve neen playing for the past decade can be more fun too.

Just because you put sunglasses on the same old shit doesnt mean its suddenly not the same old shit. It just has sunglasses now.

Here he have tons of people pavlovically conditioned to respond to the sunglasses, instead of the pile of shit its sticking out of.

'Whats this? It doesnt look like the same old shit.'

'Are you sure?'

'Yeah its really colorful'

'Shit can be green sometimes'

'Nah, its more than that, it also smells nice. Good smells dont usually come from shit, and it doesnt feel nasty when i touch it. Its actually pretty fun!'

'Oh wow, does it have sunglasses?'

'Hmmm... Whats this... No, it doesnt... IT DOESNT HAVE SUNGLASSES OH MY GOD!!!!!

'OH MY GAWD, NINTENDO DIDNT CHECK THE BOX!!! IT DOESNT HAVE SUNGLASSES!

'Its 2015, every pile of shit ive seen has sunglasses!!'

'Standard feature!!! Standard feature!'

Whelp, thats too bad it doesnt have sunglasses, i was looking forward to eating something other than shit. But, sunglasses.'

Ayyy....

 

[Overside]

What the fuck are you talking about? I want chat in my online games because I play with friends and like to bullshit with them while I play.

Screw your shitty attitude where you think that a game shouldn't have an optional feature that you never have to use just so the game can be "different" even though that "difference" doesn't benefit the game in any way, shape, or form. You could still have your silent Splatoon game, just like you can have a silent Halo game or COD game. The game having voice chat wouldn't change this. Just like it's never changed it for any other online game.

It's not about checking boxes or whatever other bullshit you come up with. People want it because it's a proven an useful feature that people enjoy and arbitrarily taking out the OPTION to use it doesn't benefit anyone.

It's about as dumb as saying "What do you mean you want to be able to play in parties with your friends? Fuck your check boxes where you expect to have basic features that every other game in the genre has."

Bull shitting with your friends is not useful. Its nice, but its not useful.

Here we are again, with demanding it being the same as every other game.

Can you not just accept the fact that it is DIFFERENT, than every other game, and the fact that it doesnt have an arbitrary feature that you find nice, like Nintendo being your free phone service, that EVERY OTHER GAME ALREADY HAS, is not the god damned apocolypse?

Why cant the game, being different, and engaging, have more weight than the option of being your free phone service, because every one else is already doing it?


This is why, we have been stuck, in the same rut, of the same homogenous factory line spewed crap. Because arbritrary features, are more important than the games.

 

[jroc74]

They wouldn't go to parties because they can already party at home and don't need 12 year olds yelling at them. Honestly does anyone like parties? It's just a bunch of people yelling at each other. I've been partying for ten years and I've never enjoyed listening to other people at parties. If you want to party, you should just skype with the people you want to party with. Nintendo's doing a great job protecting children from partying.

Brilliant.

And this post right here is why I cannot take you seriously in ANY Nintendo thread.

JESUS.

I hope that his post was sarcasm...

Ease of use.

Fuck ease of use!!!!

 

[Amir0x]

Well the feature is not really legitimately useful in this game, as this game provides, in real time, far more accurate and far faster updating information than some nasally whiner could ever hope to express, so its literally 'Nintendos not being my free phone service' for this one. That and people who just have to have voice chat so they can scream at other people to make sure they are playing the game the way they want.

Why don't you agree to a test? Your 'skills' and a team of your choice in a muteless version of the game versus someone and their team who has to frustratingly use a third party voice communication with their team, but does indeed have voice communication.

See how fast you are decimated, see how 'not legitimately useful' it is in the game. You sure are confident after all. I mean it's so simple, Nintendo's god-like opinion on the subject (despite being wrong an incalculable number of times on game design matters) surely is the final word... right?

 

[Night Angel]

All the reasons that make WiiU video chat a pointless OS level feature are the same reasons any game not having voice chat built in on any platform no big deal.

Or am I wrong and WiiU video chat is more relevant than I believe?

Hello Mr. Non Sequitur, it's nice to meet you.

The reason people want to use the goddamn device they are currently using to chat instead of turning on another entirely different device that the people you want to chat with may not even have... you know what? If it isn't clear to you already I'm afraid you're hopeless.

 

[phanphare]

I don't. I don't even think you do considering your next post was about how you understood exactly what people meant by it and just said you were annoyed by it.

it's a personal annoyance of mine when someone posts what year it is with no other justification attached to it, that's all. not really something we need to go back and forth about, I'm not making some grand point or anything. was just pointing out a personal annoyance of mine. like, instead of saying "it's 2015" and leaving it at that why not explain yourself a bit? we're on a forum after all. that's basically what I meant.

and the May 10th thing was a joke that clearly only I found humorous ;p

 

[Hugstable]

And any game thats not the same old pile of shit weve neen playing for the past decade can be more fun too.

Just because you put sunglasses on the same old shit doesnt mean its suddenly not the same old shit. It just has sunglasses now.

Here he have tons of people pavlovically conditioned to respond to the sunglasses, instead of the pile of shit its sticking out of.

'Whats this? It doesnt look like the same old shit.'

'Are you sure?'

'Yeah its really colorful'

'Shit can be green sometimes'

'Nah, its more than that, it also smells nice. Good smells dont usually come from shit, and it doesnt feel nasty when i touch it. Its actually pretty fun!'

'Oh wow, does it have sunglasses?'

'Hmmm... Whats this... No, it doesnt... IT DOESNT HAVE SUNGLASSES OH MY GOD!!!!!

'OH MY GAWD, NINTENDO DIDNT CHECK THE BOX!!! IT DOESNT HAVE SUNGLASSES!

'Its 2015, every pile of shit ive seen has sunglasses!!'

'Standard feature!!! Standard feature!'

Whelp, thats too bad it doesnt have sunglasses, i was looking forward to eating something other than shit. But, sunglasses.'

it's a personal annoyance of mine when someone posts what year it is with no other justification attached to it, that's all. not really something we need to go back and forth about, I'm not making some grand point or anything. was just pointing out a personal annoyance of mine. like, instead of saying "it's 2015" and leaving it at that why not explain yourself a bit? we're on a forum after all. that's basically what I meant.

and the May 10th thing was a joke that clearly only I found humorous ;p

lol I get really annoyed with that too. Imagine people in the future, "Come on stupid, it's the Year 2070!"

 

[Joyful]

And any game thats not the same old pile of shit weve neen playing for the past decade can be more fun too.

Just because you put sunglasses on the same old shit doesnt mean its suddenly not the same old shit. It just has sunglasses now.

Here he have tons of people pavlovically conditioned to respond to the sunglasses, instead of the pile of shit its sticking out of.

'Whats this? It doesnt look like the same old shit.'

'Are you sure?'

'Yeah its really colorful'

'Shit can be green sometimes'

'Nah, its more than that, it also smells nice. Good smells dont usually come from shit, and it doesnt feel nasty when i touch it. Its actually pretty fun!'

'Oh wow, does it have sunglasses?'

'Hmmm... Whats this... No, it doesnt... IT DOESNT HAVE SUNGLASSES OH MY GOD!!!!!

'OH MY GAWD, NINTENDO DIDNT CHECK THE BOX!!! IT DOESNT HAVE SUNGLASSES!

'Its 2015, every pile of shit ive seen has sunglasses!!'

'Standard feature!!! Standard feature!'

Whelp, thats too bad it doesnt have sunglasses, i was looking forward to eating something other than shit. But, sunglasses.'

 

[Reebot]

All the reasons that make WiiU video chat a pointless OS level feature are the same reasons any game not having voice chat built in on any platform no big deal.

Or am I wrong and WiiU video chat is more relevant than I believe?

Step it up dude. Don't try and bait him into defending video chat to swing the discussion in your favor.

Your entire argument - and this is not exaggeration, this is in fact your entire argument - can summarized as, "Skype is a possibility. Therefore Nintendo should expect all consumers to use it, and if a player does not the fault rests on them. Additionally, since Skype has better audio quality, no one should be expected to use any other service or want to use any other service."

Its comical.

 

[Box]

Stepping away from the specifics of the Splatoon discussion, I'm disappointed to see so many people fall into the fallacy that more options is always better. It's not actually true. Options themselves are features that change the whole game and can be good or bad. So you need to evaluate options on their merits.

With respect to Splatoon, I would think it should not be so much trouble for supporters of voice chat to come up with ways that the option of voice chat would be positive for the game. Some are doing that, but many are simply resting on the idea that more options is automatically better. It's not. It's a subjective issue.

 

[Night Angel]

Bull shitting with your friends is not useful. Its nice, but its not useful.

Here we are again, with demanding it being the same as every other game.

Can you not just accept the fact that it is DIFFERENT, than every other game, and the fact that it doesnt have an arbitrary feature that you find nice, like Nintendo being your free phone service, that EVERY OTHER GAME ALREADY HAS, is not the god damned apocolypse?

Why cant the game, being different, and engaging, have more weight than the option of being your free phone service, because every one else is already doing it?

Different doesn't mean better. People are upset that a feature well known for improving team play in multilayer online competitive games that is in 99% of said games is not in this game. They are expressing their opinions.

You seem to be the most worked up of anyone here because people want more options.

 

[Solid Samus]

edit: putting this elsewhere.

 

[Jarmel]

Stepping away from the specifics of the Splatoon discussion, I'm disappointed to see so many people fall into the fallacy that more options is always better. It's not actually true. Options themselves are features that change the whole game and can be good or bad. So you need to evaluate options on their merits.

With respect to Splatoon, I would think it should not be so much trouble for supporters of voice chat to come up with ways that the option of voice chat would be positive for the game. Some are doing that, but many are simply resting on the idea that more options is automatically better. It's not. It's a subjective issue.

How are more setttings a bad thing?

 

[SgtCobra]

People are still defending no voice chat, why? It's voice chat, it won't harm the game.

And any game thats not the same old pile of shit weve neen playing for the past decade can be more fun too.

Just because you put sunglasses on the same old shit doesnt mean its suddenly not the same old shit. It just has sunglasses now.

Here he have tons of people pavlovically conditioned to respond to the sunglasses, instead of the pile of shit its sticking out of.

'Whats this? It doesnt look like the same old shit.'

'Are you sure?'

'Yeah its really colorful'

'Shit can be green sometimes'

'Nah, its more than that, it also smells nice. Good smells dont usually come from shit, and it doesnt feel nasty when i touch it. Its actually pretty fun!'

'Oh wow, does it have sunglasses?'

'Hmmm... Whats this... No, it doesnt... IT DOESNT HAVE SUNGLASSES OH MY GOD!!!!!

'OH MY GAWD, NINTENDO DIDNT CHECK THE BOX!!! IT DOESNT HAVE SUNGLASSES!

'Its 2015, every pile of shit ive seen has sunglasses!!'

'Standard feature!!! Standard feature!'

Whelp, thats too bad it doesnt have sunglasses, i was looking forward to eating something other than shit. But, sunglasses.'

Ah okay

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Bull shitting with your freinds is not useful. Its nice, but its not useful.

Here we are again, with demanding it being the same as every other game.

Can you not just accept the fact that it is DIFFERENT, than every other game, and the fact that it doesnt have an arbitrary feature that you find nice, like Nintendo being your free phone service, that EVERY OTHER GAME ALREADY HAS, is not the god damned apocolypse?

Why cant the game, being different, and engaging, have more weight than the option of being your free phone service, because every one else is already doing it?

I don't dislike it simply because it's different, I don't like it because removing it doesn't benefit the game in any way, and in many ways makes the game worse for people. How is removing voice chat engaging anyone? Them removing it literally benefits no one. The closest I've seen people come to defending it is them not liking harassment online, and other companies have found ways to let people personalize their online experience so they don't have to deal with it. And surprise surprise, they were smart enough to find a way to do it without removing the feature completely.

Difference just for the sake of difference isn't a good or logical reason to do anything. This "difference" doesn't benefit the game or make it any better.

In fact, this game isn't being any "different" considering that you can personalize your experience on other consoles so that you can have the same results as they're trying to have with Splatoon. The only way that it's different is the fact that they're not giving the option to people who want to use it. And I'd love to see you justify how that benefits the game in any way, shape, or form.

 

[KirbYuuYuu]

Stepping away from the specifics of the Splatoon discussion, I'm disappointed to see so many people fall into the fallacy that more options is always better. It's not actually true. Options themselves are features that change the whole game and can be good or bad. So you need to evaluate options on their merits.

With respect to Splatoon, I would think it should not be so much trouble for supporters of voice chat to come up with ways that the option of voice chat would be positive for the game. Some are doing that, but many are simply resting on the idea that more options is automatically better. It's not. It's a subjective issue.

But we're not talking about adding Ironsights or Cover to a game. We're asking for Voice chat.

 

[Kusagari]

Stepping away from the specifics of the Splatoon discussion, I'm disappointed to see so many people fall into the fallacy that more options is always better. It's not actually true. Options themselves are features that change the whole game and can be good or bad. So you need to evaluate options on their merits.

With respect to Splatoon, I would think it should not be so much trouble for supporters of voice chat to come up with ways that the option of voice chat would be positive for the game. Some are doing that, but many are simply resting on the idea that more options is automatically better. It's not. It's a subjective issue.

Nothing about Splatoon having voice chat changes the whole game. So your entire post has no merit to begin with.

 

[Amir0x]

How are more setttings a bad thing?

The argument goes like this.

Let's say you include an option for aim assist in multiplayer. Now you can turn it off, or you can turn it on... but those with aim assist have an inherent advantage. That would make including the option worse than not just including it, because everyone has to suffer from an inherent aim assist curve if they don't utilize it.

The argument isn't incorrect. It's just voice chat is the worst thing to try to use that for. Voice chat is a huge strategic tool that doesn't handicap people's skill sets, it amplifies them and allows communication for team based modes. Team games almost all rely on communication to be maximally successful. You can have team based multiplayer games without it, but they will never be as effective at formulating strategies minus voice chat.

 

[Night Angel]

Oh, voice chat is the reason we get annualized releases of samey games. Pack it up, folks. Voice chat was a mistake. It's nothing but trash.

 

[Joyful]

Stepping away from the specifics of the Splatoon discussion, I'm disappointed to see so many people fall into the fallacy that more options is always better. It's not actually true. Options themselves are features that change the whole game and can be good or bad. So you need to evaluate options on their merits.

With respect to Splatoon, I would think it should not be so much trouble for supporters of voice chat to come up with ways that the option of voice chat would be positive for the game. Some are doing that, but many are simply resting on the idea that more options is automatically better. It's not. It's a subjective issue.

its a team game

talking to your team means you can coordinate and strategize

this isnt rocket science

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

He's going ALL IN, folks.

I play multiple different games on multiple different platforms.
I have friends who own different platforms.
I'm not online on every device i own constantly.

Platform specific communications are borderline useless in arranging a game, unless I happen to be online on that device when someone's looking.

Why are people freaking the fuck out that a phone - a device designed for communications - is my GOTO?

 

[Vena]

What's even happening in here any more.

This isn't even a relevant discussion to the topic any more.

 

[Kosma]

All the reasons that make WiiU video chat a pointless OS level feature are the same reasons any game not having voice chat built in on any platform no big deal.

Or am I wrong and WiiU video chat is more relevant than I believe?

If only there were 10 million of you, Wii U would have a install base of 10 million

Alas

 

[krypt0nian]

I play multiple different games on multiple different platforms.
I have friends who own different platforms.
I'm not online on every device i own constantly.

Platform specific communications are borderline useless in arranging a game, unless I happen to be online on that device when someone's looking.

Why are people freaking the fuck out that a phone - a device designed for communications - is my GOTO?

Oh it can be YOURS. But to suggest that Nintendo wants us to use it or that is should be everyone's GOTO is making you look like a goof.


Point blank.

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

I think the point was; its 2015, why aren't you using the communication method that's better quality, cross platform, has its own dedicated CPU, memory and bandwidth footprint, and can reach anyone in the world anywhere in the world regardless of what they're doing or what electronics they have turned on as your primary communications method in the first place?

The is crazy, even for you. Christ.

 

[Reebot]

I play multiple different games on multiple different platforms.
I have friends who own different platforms.
I'm not online on every device i own constantly.

Platform specific communications are borderline useless in arranging a game, unless I happen to be online on that device when someone's looking.

Why are people freaking the fuck out that a phone - a device designed for communications - is my GOTO?

Again, step it up. Either you're playing the fool or actually don't get whats happening - not sure which is worse.

In case of the latter, no one cares what your go to it. You're arguing to a complete removal of in game chat because you prefer something else.

 

[Fracas]

Bull shitting with your friends is not useful. Its nice, but its not useful.

Here we are again, with demanding it being the same as every other game.

Can you not just accept the fact that it is DIFFERENT, than every other game, and the fact that it doesnt have an arbitrary feature that you find nice, like Nintendo being your free phone service, that EVERY OTHER GAME ALREADY HAS, is not the god damned apocolypse?

Why cant the game, being different, and engaging, have more weight than the option of being your free phone service, because every one else is already doing it?


This is why, we have been stuck, in the same rut, of the same homogenous factory line spewed crap. Because arbritrary features, are more important than the games.

I absolutely refuse to believe that someone on gods green earth can have an opinion like this

Like are you an actual person or an amalgamation of every Nintendo executive's consciousness brought to life

 

[Jarmel]

The argument goes like this.

Let's say you include an option for aim assist in multiplayer. Now you can turn it off, or you can turn it on... but those with aim assist have an inherent advantage. That would make including the option worse than not just including it, because everyone has to suffer from an inherent aim assist curve if they don't utilize it.

The argument isn't incorrect. It's just voice chat is the worst thing to try to use that for. Voice chat is a huge strategic tool that doesn't handicap people's skill sets, it amplifies them and allows communication for team based modes. Team games almost all rely on communication to be maximally successful. You can have team based multiplayer games without it, but they will never be as effective at formulating strategies minus voice chat./

Well the simple solution would be to have two separate servers, one for aim assist and one for those without. Now if the population base is too small to split the base, the matchmaking service could try to pair up those with similar settings.

 

[Kusagari]

I play multiple different games on multiple different platforms.
I have friends who own different platforms.
I'm not online on every device i own constantly.

Platform specific communications are borderline useless in arranging a game, unless I happen to be online on that device when someone's looking.

Why are people freaking the fuck out that a phone - a device designed for communications - is my GOTO?

Nobody cares what you prefer.

They care that you're defending companies not including voice chat on a system/game level because you would rather use your phone.

 

[block tower]

I think people are ignoring that children will be playing this, and they are a targeted demographic (have you seen the advertising?)

A child not being told to go fuck themselves is more important than the convenience of friends having to go onto Skype to chat. For every cool random person you find a far greater number of assholes.

If this is the demographic of Nintendos Wii U and future consoles, then the company should not even bother. Targeting children and basing gaming features around kid friendly philosophy basically guarantees most of the adult gaming population of the core gaming market will not buy your console. Nintendo doing this "think about the children" excuse for limiting features in games is some fuckery.

 

[Night Angel]

I play multiple different games on multiple different platforms.
I have friends who own different platforms.
I'm not online on every device i own constantly.

Platform specific communications are borderline useless in arranging a game, unless I happen to be online on that device when someone's looking.

Why are people freaking the fuck out that a phone - a device designed for communications - is my GOTO?

Are you being intentionally thick? We aren't talking about setting up games, we're talking about chatting during games. How is it easier to get on the phone than use the Wii-U (that everyone you're playing with is already on) that is literally in your hands?
Hurr

 

[FATALITY]

And then you will get broken Uncharted-multiplayer.

As in 5 4 overpowered players fully dominating the other team.

That's actually one of the major reasons why I stopped playing Uncharted multiplayer.

what? is this real life?
uncharted mp was broken because of voice chat?

i just cant seriously.

 

[BigBadShamoo]

Bull shitting with your friends is not useful. Its nice, but its not useful.

Here we are again, with demanding it being the same as every other game.

Can you not just accept the fact that it is DIFFERENT, than every other game, and the fact that it doesnt have an arbitrary feature that you find nice, like Nintendo being your free phone service, that EVERY OTHER GAME ALREADY HAS, is not the god damned apocolypse?

Why cant the game, being different, and engaging, have more weight than the option of being your free phone service, because every one else is already doing it?


This is why, we have been stuck, in the same rut, of the same homogenous factory line spewed crap. Because arbritrary features, are more important than the games.

This "arbitrary feature" is a huge gameplay element that will without a doubt affect how it is played. Yeah ppl BS On voice comms but, ppl BS at work too, however it still serves a purpose and that purpose is that voice communication in this game would aid strategy and teamwork.

 

[tei15]

As someone who hasn't played FPS online since ehhh Modern Warfare 2, I guess, I couldn't care less about voice chat. Demo played perfectly even without it, so ho cares.

 

[MormaPope]

The official song for people that constantly argue for the lack of voice chat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnsDbOi6sTY

So much spin I think I might vomit.

 

[SolarPowered]

So, we're just shy of a whopping 2,000 posts in a thread about voice chat being necessary in a team based online shooter in the year 2015 and people are surprised that a stubborn subset of Nintendo fans will never accept that their glorious Nintendo is wrong on this?

This isn't a legendary thread, an informative thread or even a rare thread. It is par for the course and the only people I feel for in all of this are frustrated Wi U owners, people who'd actually buy a Nintendo home console or lapsed Nintendo fans who'd actually like to jump into that pool again. The usual stubborn fans presenting dumb arguments in here do the gaming industry and Nintendo themselves a disservice by not standing strong on a real issue that has impacted the quality of Nintendo's online gaming experience since Halo 2 11 years ago. Region is a joke of a problem compared to Nintendo's hardheadedness on the issue of online gaming.

As for me? I'm just going to ignore Nintendo until they get their shit together. If their next home console is such a stubborn and ill conceived device that it sells worse than Wii U I guess we'll be stuck with a boring home console duopoly, but it will be no one, but Nintendo's fault. I grew up playing a bit of SNES, but Nintendo has always been the king since my first console which was an N64. Seeing the decline and pigheadedness first hand just wears one down.

 

[Box]

How are more setttings a bad thing?

Yeah, um, you'll have to excuse the fact that I'm not really eager to jump into an explanation in these circumstances. If you're truly interested, you can PM me and we can have a polite back and forth about it away from the tensions and emotions of this discussion.

I think it's pretty self-evident. So I don't really care if your next move is to say that I'm wrong or whatever.



See, look how fast that blew up. And I didn't even say anything that I thought was controversial. I can't even imagine carefully explaining something to that many people.

Amir0x mischaracterizes what I say a bit though. It's not a big deal. You can go with that if you want.

 

[MouldyK]

Let's say you include an option for aim assist in multiplayer. Now you can turn it off, or you can turn it on... but those with aim assist have an inherent advantage. That would make including the option worse than not just including it, because everyone has to suffer from an inherent aim assist curve if they don't utilize it.

Let's say you include an option for Voice Chat in multiplayer. Now you can turn it off, or you can turn it on... but those with Voice Chat have an inherent advantage. That would make including the option worse than not just including it, because everyone has to suffer from an inherent Voice Chat curve if they don't utilize it.


Yes, the last one don't fit in, but it's to show I ain't being serious at all.

 

[MrNyarlathotep]

Oh it can be YOURS. But to suggest that Nintendo wants us to use it or that is should be everyone's GOTO is making you look like a goof.


Point blank.

I'm not saying anything about anyone else's preferences, or nintendos decisions, or any other of these statements being attributed to me.

Dude said its 2015 and we all have phones, and I agree with him.

I'm stating my situation and being called out for it because, god I don't know, keep the faux outrage going and get the topic another 10 pages of nobody actually discussing anything I guess.

 

[kamineko]

Guys, the lack of chat is an artistic decision. Splatoon, despite its cheerful, colorful appearance, is a somber meditation on the silence that separates us. Sometimes, the distance between us is too great to bridge. Out of respect for the developers, please meditate on these truths during your Splatoon experience. Please additionally refrain from utilizing any third party tools, like Skype, as they completely defeat the nuanced and delicate figuration of this unexpectedly moving piece.

Sensitive audiences able to fully participate in the silence are in for a powerful experience.

Please GAF, it's for art. Do it for the love of art.

 

[Kosma]

Nevermind

 

[block tower]

So, we're just shy of a whopping 2,000 posts in a thread about voice chat being necessary in a team based online shooter in the year 2015 and people are surprised that a stubborn subset of Nintendo fans will never accept that their glorious Nintendo is wrong on this?

This isn't a legendary thread, an informative thread or even a rare thread. It is par for the course and the only people I feel for in all of this are frustrated Wi U owners, people who'd actually buy a Nintendo home console or lapsed Nintendo fans who'd actually like to jump into that pool again. The usual stubborn fans presenting dumb arguments in here do the gaming industry and Nintendo themselves a disservice by not standing strong on a real issue that has impacted the quality of Nintendo's online gaming experience since Halo 2 11 years ago.

As for me? I'm just going to ignore Nintendo until they get their shit together. If their next home console is such a stubborn and ill conceived device that it sells worse than Wii U I guess we'll be stuck with a boring home console duopoly, but it will be no one, but Nintendo's fault. I grew up playing a bit of SNES, but Nintendo has always been the king since my first console which was an N64. Seeing the decline and pigheadedness first hand just wears one down.

Good post. Agree wholeheartedly. Owned every Nintendo console from NES-Wii, but out of principle I can't get behind Nintendos fuckery with the Wii U.

 

[MormaPope]

If this is the demographic of Nintendos Wii U and future consoles, then the company should not even bother. Targeting children and basing gaming features around kid friendly philosophy basically guarantees most of the adult gaming population of the core gaming market will not buy your console. Nintendo doing this "think about the children" excuse for limiting features in games is some fuckery.

Not to mention adults that are semi competent at a videogame will grind young kids into the dust competitively. Young kids play Call of Duty like shit, getting 4 kills and dying 22 times is a common occurrence for young dudes.

So not only can kids not talk to someone for advice, they'll get decimated by any adult or teen playing the game.

 

[Overside]

Why don't you agree to a test? Your 'skills' and a team of your choice in a muteless version of the game versus someone and their team who has to frustratingly use a third party voice communication with their team, but does indeed have voice communication.

See how fast you are decimated, see how 'not legitimately useful' it is in the game. You sure are confident after all. I mean it's so simple, Nintendo's god-like opinion on the subject (despite being wrong an incalculable number of times on game design matters) surely is the final word... right?

Are you sure you mean 'muteless' wouldnt that be a fictional version of the game with voice chat?

And ts not really Nintendos opinion on the subject, it would be the skill of the teams playing, and how well they understand the game, as opposed to treating it like a traditional shooter.

For example, voice chat could be detrimental for a team, as ive gotten the impression many here are intent on going around as a team and killing the enemy instead of winning the game, if one of you were under attack you would probably cry out for help, give a trp, and everyone would waste their time converging on your location like you want, leaving the rest of the map to get covered in opposing colors with impunity.

Voice chat would offer no advantadge whatsoever over a team that would look at the gamepad, and make sure they were covering the map in ink instead of converging on, and fighting other players. Concentrating your whole team in being a moving wall killing everything that comes into contact with you with concentrated fire, is really good for shooters where you are supposed to kill the other guy, but all that means here is youve got one roving point on the map on lock down while the other team does whatever the hell they want and paints the other 75% of the map.

The victory would go to the people who were better at the game, and a lot of it could be down to a single individual, in the last 30 seconds. Voice chat really wouldnt change much of that.

 

[wildfire]

As obvious as it was that this thread would be this long I'm very curious how many people having so much angst over the exclusion of voice chat praised Journey.

I wonder if any of them following or participating in this discussion have forgotten about how much they acknowledged voice chat wasn't everything.

Voice chat is a very useful feature by allowing people to refine their team work. When you start any game it's not something you need. You can enjoy a game simply on the merits of how your personal experience without having to worry about what other people are doing.

 

[10k]

It's embarrassing really. It's 2015. One of the reasons I'm not buying it.

 

[Rolf NB]

Stepping away from the specifics of the Splatoon discussion, I'm disappointed to see so many people fall into the fallacy that more options is always better. It's not actually true. Options themselves are features that change the whole game and can be good or bad. So you need to evaluate options on their merits.

With respect to Splatoon, I would think it should not be so much trouble for supporters of voice chat to come up with ways that the option of voice chat would be positive for the game.

Ability to coordinate actions with your team is a positive option.

Some are doing that, but many are simply resting on the idea that more options is automatically better. It's not. It's a subjective issue.

It really is cut and dry. Until one day a company builds a platform so unappealing to consumers, a platform that pisses away all mass-market goodwill they ever had so effectively, that the only ones caring about it are hardcore fans, ready to defend and apologize for every aspect of it, no matter how daft.

 

[BigBadShamoo]

Good post. Agree wholeheartedly. Owned every Nintendo console from NES-Wii, but out of principle I can't get behind Nintendos fuckery with the Wii U.

Lots of people are ignoring the Wii U there's a reason it's selling less than both the PS4 and XBX1. This is one of them.