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[jetsetmario]

No, still not an excuse for this shit.

nothing is.

The one thing that is abundantly clear to me from this thread is that the majority of respondents are clearly not parents. There is no shortage of games that are targeted at an older demographic that offer chat features. There are zero games that offer this type of team based gameplay in a child conscious manner.

 

[Nesther]

Huh...Excuse my ignorance, but does the Wii U not have its own party chat?

It does, but you cannot use it while playing other games.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Dark Souls 2 was the only game had in game voice chat and nobody used and kept that off because how bad the community is. But it benefits a lot more than Splatoon. People who are new to the Souls game can summon help to go through areas and find secrets. People can use the voice commands on the D-pad in Splatoon. You guys seem to be trying to hard to find a reason to bash Nintendo. Their previous games that have online do have Voice chat. Why are people ignoring that fact?

We aren't. That's part of the reason it's so odd that they don't have it in this game, a competitive shooter, which probably is the genre that voice chat is used for the most.

 

[Amir0x]

Or use the computer/tablet/phone that you and all your friends have that is on all the time anyways and use Skype or a similar program.

What if your game system isn't by your computer? What if you don't have a smartphone (i don't)? What if you're playing with random people you just met online but really enjoyed playing with? Then you have to go through the tedious steps of messaging them, giving them the information, trying to coordinate through textual means when to meet up on these systems. Simply a billion times inferior.

In every conceivable way, it's inferior and unacceptable. But I guess that's OK if we're protecting some children because their parents are incompetent morons.

The one thing that is abundantly clear to me from this thread is that the majority of respondents are clearly not parents. There is no shortage of games that are targeted at an older demographic that offer chat features. There are zero games that offer this type of team based gameplay in a child conscious manner.

Because all parents agree that they need other companies to do their job for them.

Christ almighty the proclamations in this topic.

 

[Hugstable]

Or use the computer/tablet/phone that you and all your friends have that is on all the time anyways and use Skype or a similar program.

Phone is usually best for me since I always have it around on me. Thank god for Skype on phones haha

 

[NotLiquid]

Do we know if Party matchmaking update will also be voice-chat-less? For all we know, voice chat is just disabled for random matches

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which is totally understandable

There's nothing mentioned on that front yet but I imagine if feedback is encouraged it might be an inclusion since it's still ways off. I feel that it would be for the best since it means Nintendo can keep toxic online nature at bay that you get from playing with unknowns while encouraging friends to play and just have fun (plus generally co-ordinate better).

 

[Dunkley]

My issue is that I feel like I already played enough team based shooters that have one major gimmick to set them apart from other games but all of them still require to cover a baseline of features provided.

I really am looking forward to being able to enter matchmaking with a friend when they patch it in though, since, thanks to the fantastic net code, in the demo due to the lack of voice chat or any social element beyond those two things you can say with the d-pad it really just felt like I was facing it off with a bunch of AI teammates and wasn't playing with any other humans. It'll be interesting to see how it's gonna change when I can at least Skype with my friends.

 

[R_thanatos]

If they included voicechat, what would happen when one team is 2 americans, an australian, and a canadian.

And the other team is comprised of a russian, an belgian, and 2 japanese players?

One team would have a huge "advantage" over the other just because of random draw.

But in reality, randoms rarely use voice chat to coordinate anyways.

Sorry but where in hell do this matter ? Why not just allow voice chat throught your friend list ? You're telling me that this will ruin the experience ? more so than having friends on the couch near you ? This is kind of voice chat ( chat with friends ) is exactly what nintendo was using during god so many years. Wasn't the point to game with your friends and enjoy the games with your friends ? The lack of voice chat in splatoon is nothing but an oversight.

There's a surprising amount of folks in this thread ready to criticise the lack of chat in Splatoon, yet haven't actually played it and obviously show no interest in playing it.

Lol . Yeah let us make a critic toward a game we have no interest on !
If you believe that, then you should really take your own statements into perspective.

The lack of chat doesn't impact the game anywhere near as much as it might in a CoD or a Battlefield or a TF2, which Splatoon is being compared to. The objectives, pace, number of players, and size of the levels simply don't encourage the same kind of tactics and communication required in those games. It's Pac-Man meets Vanquish on crack, and less of an ordeal of attempting to coordinate positions.

Voice communication allow for more stratégies, more precise team mecanics and just people having fun talking with their friends.
Can you Really argue that splattoon gameplay is set in stone? many multiplayer franchises change their gameplay after a while ( at least a little ) and this happens , because the players themselves can elevate the gaming field by themselves. New tatics appears, new counters emmerge. it's all part of the fun. Not having voice chat is just a weird way to force the game to remain sterile.

Of course, if sharing the highs and lows of the game with fellow players in realtime is something you need, then you're going to be left in the cold by Nintendo's decision, but criticising the lack of chat from a gameplay perspective shows poor understanding of the kind of game Splatoon is.

Again splatoon online should be a game defined by the players who enjoy the title., that become their understanding. can you really argue that without the option of voice chat , the game couldn't become better ? Sure there are ways to play without , but arguing that this feature isn't needed only show that you're not thinking of every perspective about that gameplay.

 

[Sendou]

No, they don't. One is an option that you can turn off at any time if you so wish. Another is core to the actual game play.

Anyone defending Nintendo is literally fighting and defending less options that don't affect anything core to the game.

So why do people have problems with feathers? You can skip them too!

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[Zia]

Anyone defending Nintendo is literally fighting and defending less options that don't affect anything core to the game.

Screaming children while I'm trying to play Splatoon certainly has an impact on the core experience for me.

 

[I-hate-u]

Both affect the experience end user will have.

But you can turn it off if you want to.

 

[Chaos17]

Oh yeah, since the online isn't region locked : how the HECK will you be able to talk to a spanish or japanese guy ?
Are you guys are going to say a selfish thing to them like "talk in english, noob" ?

 

[Kusagari]

The one thing that is abundantly clear to me from this thread is that the majority of respondents are clearly not parents. There is no shortage of games that are targeted at an older demographic that offer chat features. There are zero games that offer this type of team based gameplay in a child conscious manner.

Plants vs. Zombies: Garden Warfare.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Screaming children while I'm trying to play Splatoon certainly has an impact on the core experience for me.

Muting players is also a basic feature of MP games...

 

[Nesther]

There's nothing mentioned on that front yet but I imagine if feedback is encouraged it might be an inclusion since it's still ways off. I feel that it would be for the best since it means Nintendo can keep toxic online nature at bay that you get from playing with unknowns while encouraging friends to play and just have fun (plus generally co-ordinate better).

I agree, enabling it for the party matchmaking modes would be the ultimate solution. The general consensus in this thread is that most people don't voice chat with randoms anyway, but want it for matches with friends.

 

[Dr. Black Jack]

The one thing that is abundantly clear to me from this thread is that the majority of respondents are clearly not parents. There is no shortage of games that are targeted at an older demographic that offer chat features. There are zero games that offer this type of team based gameplay in a child conscious manner.

THANK YOU.

My kids had such a blast playing the Global Testfire yesterday. The fact that Nintendo was able to pull of a strategically deep tactical shooter while maintaining an all-ages appeal is a miracle...why destroy that with some anonymous jackass yelling racial slurs and swearing?

I mean seriously, it's a family shooter. How crazy is that?

 

[Hugstable]

Oh yeah, since the online isn't region locked : how the HECK will you be able to talk to a spanish or japanese guy ?
Are you guys are going to say a selfish thing to them like "talk in english, noob" ?

Most people are arguing this on the basis of party chat with their friends

I think most could care less about talking with other randoms, it's mostly talking with friends

What if you did your job as a parent and went to the options menu and SHUT OFF ALL VOICE CHAT and allowed the adults to actually play how they want?

W...would that be so difficult as a MIGHTY PARENT? I know, this stuff is complicated. You actually have to put in ten seconds of parenting time and we wouldn't want that I suppose

Do you seriously have to insult people with every post? It's getting tiring. It's actually possible to have a regular conversation with people without trying to act superior to them and insult them, surprisingly.

 

[Pandy]

I think there's a simple solution here. If you're an adult, stop playing games targeted at kids, if you're going to get upset about it. That means stuff like Splatoon, Mario, and Pokemon, is simply not for you. If you're going to force your way into this audience, when these games are not made for you, then don't get upset that Nintendo isn't catering to you manbabies. You take what you get, and you like it as it is.

Options? OPTIONS? No, I don't think so. There is no such thing as options. Even Jesus didn't get an option when he was nailed to the cross. They build the game how they please. If you want voice chat in Splatoon, you better hope Nintendo makes a similar game for their adult demographic, because they don't owe you options. This game wasn't made for you, okay? It was made for the kids. Everyone is always asking someone to think of the children. Well, Nintendo did just that.

Stop hating on them. Instead, appreciate that they're looking after the most vulnerable of our society. These kids are the future gamers. By the time they start using voice chat when they're older, they'll be more sensible and mature than the average gamer is today, because they won't have been exposed to the filth you get online. You have to think about the long-term. Nintendo is nurturing the future of our hobby. They deserve to be applauded for that.

Fucking IGN. Always stirring shit.

 

[cheesekao]

Oh yeah, since the online isn't region locked : how the HECK will you be able to talk to a spanish or japanese guy ?
Are you guys are going to say a selfish thing to them like "talk in english, noob" ?

Just ignore them? They'd get the idea if you speak in an unknown language.

 

[Throwaway123456789]

Oh yeah, since the online isn't region locked : how the HECK will you be able to talk to a spanish or japanese guy ?
Are you guys are going to say a selfish thing to them like "talk in english, noob" ?

What kind of nonsense is this? Have you ever heard about games like League of Legends or Dota 2? You know, games that collectively has over 100 million people playing them around the world? Your logic simply does not translate to the real world, where people are communicating during online matches.

 

[Amir0x]

THANK YOU.

My kids had such a blast playing the Global Testfire yesterday. The fact that Nintendo was able to pull of a strategically deep tactical shooter while maintaining an all-ages appeal is a miracle...why destroy that with some anonymous jackass yelling racial slurs and swearing?

I mean serious, it's a family shooter. How crazy is that?

What if you did your job as a parent and went to the options menu and SHUT OFF ALL VOICE CHAT and allowed the adults to actually play how they want?

W...would that be so difficult as a MIGHTY PARENT? I know, this stuff is complicated. You actually have to put in ten seconds of parenting time and we wouldn't want that I suppose

 

[Neff]

Yup, still a mass proclamation encompassing a shit fuck ton of people including myself, and still having zero actual foundation for the claim. Don't worry bro, you can try again. Reword it, tell us what you really meant since I have it so wrong apparently.

Nintendo implemented preset messages to convey strategy, and dropped them because the pace of the game simply didn't justify them. And I can believe it. Not once in any of the three Saturday sessions did I feel that I needed to communicate with my teams or let them know what I was doing, because situations and player locations/actions changed so abruptly. I'm not saying that chat would be completely useless, but those asking for it simply because it's expected in a shooter, and any of those same people who haven't played the game, of which there are "surprising amount" in this thread, should at least try it first and see the difference before making a big deal out of it.

If you yourself want in-game chat after having played it, then by all means continue to ask for it.

 

[cheesekao]

THANK YOU.

My kids had such a blast playing the Global Testfire yesterday. The fact that Nintendo was able to pull of a strategically deep tactical shooter while maintaining an all-ages appeal is a miracle...why destroy that with some anonymous jackass yelling racial slurs and swearing?

I mean seriously, it's a family shooter. How crazy is that?

-

Plants vs. Zombies: Garden Warfare.

 

[Zia]

Muting players is also a basic feature of MP games...

Of most, yeah. And while true, I still fail to see what global voice chat will bring to Splatoon. It's like Mario Kart -- competitive but not overly so. I guess people that don't have access to PC shooters plan on taking it really seriously?

Again, I'm all for party chat, I just don't get the global voice chat thing.

 

[Hip Hop]

THANK YOU.

My kids had such a blast playing the Global Testfire yesterday. The fact that Nintendo was able to pull of a strategically deep tactical shooter while maintaining an all-ages appeal is a miracle...why destroy that with some anonymous jackass yelling racial slurs and swearing?

I mean seriously, it's a family shooter. How crazy is that?

That is why things like Parental Controls exist.

 

[Alienous]

Because all parents agree that they need other companies to do their job for them.

Christ almighty the proclamations in this topic.

Well there is some trust involved. There's nothing stopping a game that is technically for children having harmful imagery but it's unlikely a parent will parse through all of a game''s content themselves. They'll, often, make a purchase based on an age-rating alone, and I don't think that's irresponsible of them.

It all goes back to the young demographic which this game will attract and doing everything possible to make the experience the least toxic it can possibly be.

 

[Dr. Black Jack]

I think there's a simple solution here. If you're an adult, stop playing games targeted at kids, if you're going to get upset about it. That means stuff like Splatoon, Mario, and Pokemon, is simply not for you. If you're going to force your way into this audience, when these games are not made for you, then don't get upset that Nintendo isn't catering to you manbabies. You take what you get, and you like it as it is.

Options? OPTIONS? No, I don't think so. There is no such thing as options. Even Jesus didn't get an option when he was nailed to the cross. They build the game how they please. If you want voice chat in Splatoon, you better hope Nintendo makes a similar game for their adult demographic, because they don't owe you options. This game wasn't made for you, okay? It was made for the kids. Everyone is always asking someone to think of the children. Well, Nintendo did just that.

Stop hating on them. Instead, appreciate that they're looking after the most vulnerable of our society. These kids are the future gamers. By the time they start using voice chat when they're older, they'll be more sensible and mature than the average gamer is today, because they won't have been exposed to the filth you get online. You have to think about the long-term. Nintendo is nurturing the future of our hobby. They deserve to be applauded for that.

Fucking IGN. Always stirring shit.

Missed this, GOAT post.

 

[Forkball]

Oh yeah, since the online isn't region locked : how the HECK will you be able to talk to a spanish or japanese guy ?
Are you guys are going to say a selfish thing to them like "talk in english, noob" ?

You have clearly never played an online game before.

There is absolutely no reason not to include voice chat, especially with friends. All opposition towards it seems to be coming from people who will eat whatever Nintendo spoon feeds them and people completely inexperienced with online gaming.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Screaming children while I'm trying to play Splatoon certainly has an impact on the core experience for me.

Then mute them. It takes like two seconds. Why are people acting like they wouldn't have the option to play the game exactly how they would be able to play it now even if Nintendo decided to put in voice chat as an option, just like it's an option in pretty much every other online video game these days.

Missed this, GOAT post.

Actually it's really fucking dumb. Wii U is drowning and Nintendo is still trying to sell to a market that wasn't buying in the first place. The smart thing for Nintendo to do would be to stop being so stubborn and start designing online video games like they're making them for a market in the 21st century.

Exclusively marketing to kids and gimping their video games to only cater to paranoid parents is what got Nintendo into the situation they're in in the first place.

Not to mention, children are playing "Adult" video games anyway, so whatever market they think they're specializing in is quickly dwindling anyway. If Nintendo needs to learn anything from Wii U it's that they need to change up their game plan and diversify.

Nintendo doesn't OWE us anything, but that doesn't mean that giving people those options wouldn't benefit them and possibly open them up to more people being interested in their games.

 

[nib95]

It does, but you cannot use it while playing other games.

I guess you really do (almost) learn something new everyday...

 

[Amir0x]

Nintendo implemented preset messages to convey strategy, and dropped them because the pace of the game simply didn't justify them. And I can believe it. Not once in any of the three Saturday sessions did I feel that I needed to communicate with my teams or let them know what I was doing, because situations and player locations/actions changed so abruptly. I'm not saying that chat would be completely useless, but those asking for it simply because it's expected in a shooter, and any of those same people who haven't played the game, of which there are "surprising amount" in this thread, should at least try it first and see the difference before making a big deal out of it.

If you yourself want it in-game chat after having played it, then by all means continue to ask for it.

Ok, during my sessions I thought of about a zillion times communication would have made things better.

So, there we go. No need for mass proclamations about how much people understand Splatoon - they simply disagree with your individual opinion.

Edit: Also, you should point to the people who you think are criticizing the game for lack of voice chat but haven't played it. That's why we have this confusion, because you're tossing wide blankets there.

 

[Cleve]

Huh...Excuse my ignorance, but does the Wii U not have its own party chat?

Nope. The wii-u can barely multitask it's own os. You can do video chat as it's own app, but there's no global party chat.

 

[shadow2810]

What kind of nonsense is this? Have you ever heard about games like League of Legends or Dota 2? You know, games that collectively has over 100 million people playing them around the world? Your logic simply does not translate to the real world, where people are communicating during online matches.

most of the times people would shut up and play, or when they decide to communicate it would mostly about some random garbage or flaming each other. Source: my 9 years of playing MOBA (starting from dota1)

 

[Zia]

Then mute them. It takes like two seconds. Why are people acting like they wouldn't have the option to play the game exactly how they would be able to play it now even if Nintendo decided to put in voice chat as an option, just like it's an option in pretty much every other online video game these days.

Because it's not Counter-Strike and I don't see what it'd bring to the game, and Nintendo made a conscious design decision not to implement it.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

What if you did your job as a parent and went to the options menu and SHUT OFF ALL VOICE CHAT and allowed the adults to actually play how they want?

W...would that be so difficult as a MIGHTY PARENT? I know, this stuff is complicated. You actually have to put in ten seconds of parenting time and we wouldn't want that I suppose

Do you need to go take a nap, buddy?

And I don't think I've ever played a console shooter that has an option to turn off voice chat, so I don't know where you're getting that from. I got a good laugh from the "do your job as a parent... Allow the adults to play how they want" I can just imagine you standing on the monkey bars at a playground stepping on kids fingers yelling about how you wouldn't have done it if the parents did their jobs.

 

[Throwaway123456789]

You have clearly never played an online game before.

There is absolutely no reason not to include voice chat, especially with friends. All opposition towards it seems to be coming from people who will eat whatever Nintendo spoon feeds them and people completely inexperienced with online gaming.

Actually, you know what. I think many people in this topic actually hasn't played a lot of online games, or only has a Wii U. It's flabbergasting that people don't seem to understand that voice chat is a good thing.

Muting someone in, for example, Dota 2 (or turning off voice chat completely) is a three second job. For fucks sake.

most of the times people would shut up and play, or when they decide to communicate it would mostly about some random garbage or flaming each other. Source: my 9 years of playing MOBA (starting from dota1)

Then turn off voice chat and let people who wants to use it, use it. When you're five stacked in a game (in Splatoon it's four), you need to be able to communicate. There's no need to go all WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN like Nintendo is doing and limiting/completely destroying the competitive part of a team based, objective based game.

 

[Kama_1082]

Do you need to go take a nap, buddy?

And I don't think I've ever played a console shooter that has an option to turn off voice chat, so I don't know where you're getting that from.

I absolutely hate to agree with Amir0x, only because he can't stop fucking talking, but you can mute chat on all the MP games I've played. It takes a few button presses in the lobby, but it can be done.

 

[Dr. Black Jack]

That is why things like Parental Controls exist.

Right, but isn't it a better idea to design your kids game to avoid toxic behavior in the first place? Parental controls are used to prevent kids from sneaking adult content past their parents, not as a wall for devs to avoid responsibility for their own product.

 

[Verendus]

While IGN is crying like a bunch of chumpanzees, Splatoon fans right now are living that life with their family. Or thirty years since they're only 10+ at the moment, and can't use this kind of language, but the point remains.

Maybe IGN should be called LGN. For Losers Grovelling to Nintendo. If they're so upset, build your own empire. Britannia did it a few hundred years ago, so history shows it's possible. There's no excuse.

 

[Amir0x]

Do you need to go take a nap, buddy?

And I don't think I've ever played a console shooter that has an option to turn off voice chat, so I don't know where you're getting that from.

Is this some kind of joke? Is this your first generation of games?

Shit, on 360 you didn't even need to go in individual games (although most had mute-all options in them), you could set all voice chat off as a universal system option, or block individual people, or whatever.

It is unbelievable at this point that you're just becoming aware of this. You could have found all this out with the simplest google search. If you were trying to be a good parent and feared voice chat, why wouldn't you do something so simple? You need developers to parent for you?

 

[madmackem]

People who defend this shit are bonkers, well i dont use party chat well the kids think of the kids, wow give us the option and do your job as a parent and use the fucking features of most consoles and block voice chat.

They left it out and its a joke, give people the option, its a team based shooter it needs voice chat. But its a nintendo game and ninetendo get a free pass, If this was ea or ms or sony even though there systems are up with the times and offer party chat they would be ridiculed if they said nah no voice chat in game. Its a joke and has put most of my friends off buying.

 

[SummitAve]

Why are people acting like voice chat on consoles isn't dead? You're not going to be talking to anybody.

 

[Steel]

Why are people acting like voice chat on consoles isn't dead? You're not going to be talking to anybody.

Most people talking about voice chat want voice chat with friends, more than anything. Which isn't dead. In fact party chat is what killed game chat.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Is this some kind of joke? Is this your first generation of games?

Shit, on 360 you didn't even need to go in individual games (although most had mute-all options in them), you could set all voice chat off as a universal system option, or block individual people, or whatever.

It is unbelievable at this point that you're just becoming aware of this. You could have found all this out with the simplest google search. If you were trying to be a good parent and feared voice chat, why wouldn't you do something so simple? You need developers to parent for you?

I never saw a universal voice chat block on 360, in game you could mute people in matches depending on the game. But seriously, you seem like you're getting a little worked up.

 

[Amir0x]

Why are people acting like voice chat on consoles isn't dead? You're not going to be talking to anybody.

Because this is factually untrue? I met almost my entire Left 4 Dead crew through random playing in lobbies. GhettoGamer on GAF was one who I met randomly through voice chat in L4D.

I never saw a universal voice chat block on 360, in game you could mute people in matches depending on the game. But seriously, you seem like you're getting a little worked up.

Trying to make commentary on people's emotional state doesn't make your point stronger. Nobody is worked up or angry. We just are not going to let factual inaccuracies stand. Deal with the points being raised, not how you ridiculously interpret people's emotional state.

 

[Nanashrew]

You have clearly never played an online game before.

There is absolutely no reason not to include voice chat, especially with friends. All opposition towards it seems to be coming from people who will eat whatever Nintendo spoon feeds them and people completely inexperienced with online gaming.

Well for me, I recently stopped playing online with all games because I had nothing but the most miserable experiences in every game I played online. Splatoon felt like a breath of fresh for me personally. If voice chat is to be included, it would be best for friends only.

 

[benjammin]

I don't know if it's lazy as much as it's just piss poor design.

 

[madmackem]

Why are people acting like voice chat on consoles isn't dead? You're not going to be talking to anybody.

It isnt dead at all i use it every single day, but nintendo dont even offer party chat on the system meaning youd have to use something else to chat to firends while playing, How are you not getting that?.

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

The one thing that is abundantly clear to me from this thread is that the majority of respondents are clearly not parents. There is no shortage of games that are targeted at an older demographic that offer chat features. There are zero games that offer this type of team based gameplay in a child conscious manner.

Multinationals shouldn't be doing surrogate parenting through features, or the lack there of in their products. Do the job you're meant to do as a parent and protect your child yourself.

Right, but isn't it a better idea to design your kids game to avoid toxic behavior in the first place? Parental controls are used to prevent kids from sneaking adult content past their parents, not as a wall for devs to avoid responsibility for their own product.

Kids game? I didn't know kids watched Nintendo Directs religiously and take part in online multiplayer stress tests. The game is being marketed to children, yes, but that's not the only demographic it's being aimed at.

 

[Throwaway123456789]

Do you need to go take a nap, buddy?

And I don't think I've ever played a console shooter that has an option to turn off voice chat, so I don't know where you're getting that from. I got a good laugh from the "do your job as a parent... Allow the adults to play how they want" I can just imagine you standing on the monkey bars at a playground stepping on kids fingers yelling about how you wouldn't have done it if the parents did their jobs.

That's it, I'm out. Good fucking grief.