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[Mr Moose]

Nice factual evidence provided there.

Typical.

Ok let's make this simple.

Can anyone provide hard evidence of ps5 sales outselling pc worldwide on a title?

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www.gamesindustry.biz

 

[DenchDeckard]

Your initial statement was that PC GAME(S) sell better than their PS5 counterparts. I asked for multiple games and all you presented was a flimsy, one region, response about Elden Ring (which did NOT prove it outsold the PlayStation version(s) worldwide - something you KNEW we meant). It’s no coincidence that you are the only one in this entire exchange that struggled.

So, it’s not this site, it’s you!

What i attempted to start a discussion around in the beginning is that software sales are falling on co sole/ps5 and pc is growing. So there was a reason why the ign guy made this comment and asked the question.

Saying ps5 console sales are plummeting was hyperbole though.

Now, we have evidence of publishers such as capcom saying pc is outselling console combined.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

It's not a "minuscule" thing though; IGN have a long history of bias and favoritism towards Xbox, and when you've got people like Ryan McAssfery and (until recently) Destin Lebakery, both rather hardcore Xbox fanboys, working for the outlet in a professional capacity, that bias & favoritism tends to turn into FUD and negativity towards Xbox's perceived enemy. Which for generations, has been PlayStation.

With that type of history and people among the company, it's no wonder they write headlines like this as if to insinuate Xbox's problems are PlayStation's problem, or that PlayStation is going through the same level of problems as Xbox. Ironically, that fits directly in with talking points Philnochio Spencer started putting out among game media outlets early last year. The idea that Xbox's death spiral in the console market isn't the responsibility of Microsoft Gaming or Phil making years of horrible mistakes, but that it's simply the industry itself declining. And with that, this equally stupid idea that Microsoft are going to lead the industry doing some incredibly novel, forward-thinking platform strategy to "save gaming" while being 10 years ahead of Sony and Nintendo.

When the actual truth is, Phil and the rest of Microsoft Gaming don't want to admit that they're the reason Xbox as a traditional console is basically dead, don't want to admit that getting greedy and buying massive 3P publishers both gave any sort of relevance to Microsoft Gaming while at the same time guaranteeing they become a 3P publisher. Don't want to admit that they are basically a 3P publisher the same way SEGA ended up becoming, but purchased enough major IP and are a big enough company to try distracting from the fact they are basically pulling a SEGA.

As for IGN, I don't even need to say much else about them. They're a has-been website filled with professional shills and hacks, and the only two people gaming-wise over there I have respect for are NXGamer and John Linenmann (you know, since IGN acquired Eurogamer which basically owns Digital Foundry. Great :/). And I guess I have some respect for Rich from their Saturn magazine days but that's about it. He isn't far off from Alex, who we know is a complete Xbox/PC fanboy and you don't even have to look at the secret Discord stuff where he and buddies coordinated FUD against PS5 to know that.

IGN are irrelevant.

Best post of the subject of IGN and paid shills I’ve seen on this forum yet.

There’s no Nintendo or PlayStation equivalent on the site and never has been.

Remember the podcast they did when they tried to downplay the difference between 1080p and 720p when the first Xbox One games came out?

 

[RetroGamingUK]

What i attempted to start a discussion around in the beginning is that software sales are falling on co sole/ps5 and pc is growing. So there was a reason why the ign guy made this comment and asked the question.

Saying ps5 console sales are plummeting was hyperbole though.

Now, we have evidence of publishers such as capcom saying pc is outselling console combined.

Of course they’re growing on PC.

We’ve gone from PS3+360 and PS4+One having combined player bases of 170 million to PS5+Series having a player base of around 100 million.

And we all know who’s responsible for that don’t we, the useless company that shat the bed in the console market.

Microsoft have given barely anyone a reason to buy the Series consoles, so no omens buying both consoles this generation. Why a Series S/X when you already have a PS5, zero fucking point.

 

[Mr Moose]

Best post of the subject of IGN and paid shills I’ve seen on this forum yet.

There’s no Nintendo or PlayStation equivalent on the site and never has been.

Remember the podcast they did when they tried to downplay the difference between 1080p and 720p when the first Xbox One games came out?

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Oh god, esRAM, the secret sauce

I get why people became fanboys of Xbox during the Xbox and Xbox 360 days, but anyone who had that much love for them after that is clearly mentally ill.

That goes for Ryan, Destin, TimDog, Jizz, ColtEastwood, Rand_al_Thor and all the other horsegimps.

Sane people saw Microsoft’s bullshit during E3 2013 and told them to shove it.

 

[HogIsland]

What i attempted to start a discussion around in the beginning is that software sales are falling on co sole/ps5 and pc is growing. So there was a reason why the ign guy made this comment and asked the question.

Saying ps5 console sales are plummeting was hyperbole though.

Now, we have evidence of publishers such as capcom saying pc is outselling console combined.

that makes no sense. capcom makes console games. resident evil is a console franchise. plus we know pc gamers only pirate games and don't spend money. they probably got their numbers mixed up.

 

[DenchDeckard]

For blops 6:
US- https://in.ign.com/call-of-duty-bla...ps-6-sparks-xbox-game-pass-subscription-surge
UK - https://www.gamesindustry.biz/drago...-as-call-of-duty-claims-no1-uk-monthly-report

If Steam and Battle.net report sales to GFK and Circana then I'll accept this. Thanks.

 

[Katajx]

What i attempted to start a discussion around in the beginning is that software sales are falling on co sole/ps5 and pc is growing. So there was a reason why the ign guy made this comment and asked the question.

Saying ps5 console sales are plummeting was hyperbole though.

Now, we have evidence of publishers such as capcom saying pc is outselling console combined.

PC is growing in a different way than consoles and has a lot of its own market.

The AAA flops is what this is referring to. People aren’t buying up the slop at the rate that they used to.

It’s great to have the new customers from opening up to PC, but we are far and away from some of these narratives trying to be pushed in the media.

There is still a strong desire for physical media in the market.

It’s true that the landscape has been changing, but there are so many series and publishers that are predominantly successful on console.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

What i attempted to start a discussion around in the beginning is that software sales are falling on co sole/ps5 and pc is growing. So there was a reason why the ign guy made this comment and asked the question.

Saying ps5 console sales are plummeting was hyperbole though.

Now, we have evidence of publishers such as capcom saying pc is outselling console combined.

Growing on PC and “outselling the PS5 versions” are not 1:1 statements.

 

[HogIsland]

How dare ShiftUp say this when they don't have any bar graphs:

Stellar Blade's PC sales expected to exceed console, says Shift Up

Stellar Blade developer Shift Up expects the forthcoming PC release of its action game to exceed sales of the console r…

www.eurogamer.net

 

[zedinen]

[PS5 HW] Nine Months Ended December 31, 2024

[USA] ~4.57 m (-10% YoY)

[EUR] ~3.04 m (-21% YoY)

[JAP] ~0.96 m (-44% YoY)

-----------------------------

TOT ~8.57 m (-20% YoY)

EUR (2023 and 2024 w/o UK & GER)

[LTD] Launch Aligned

[USA] PS5 ~24.64 m / PS4 ~23.00 m

[CHI] PS5 ~3.0 m / PS4 ~1.5 m

[IND] PS5 ~0.5 m / PS4 ~0.4 m

-----------------------------------

[JAP] PS5 ~6.51 m / PS4 ~6.68 m (PS5 had like a 1 million sales lead)

[EUR] PS5 ~22.0 m / PS4 ~29.7 m (PS4 peaked in 2018, PS5 in 2023)


EUR (with UK & GER)

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Best post of the subject of IGN and paid shills I’ve seen on this forum yet.

There’s no Nintendo or PlayStation equivalent on the site and never has been.

Remember the podcast they did when they tried to downplay the difference between 1080p and 720p when the first Xbox One games came out?

That was a legendary one xD. And you're right; IGN have no PS or Nintendo fanboys. I'd prefer if they didn't have any fanboys period, but if you're going to have Xbox ones hired to do work for you, at least balance it out.

So between stuff like that and them trying to buy out all the other major gaming outlets (inevitably influencing them with their platform biases and agendas too), I just strongly dislike IGN. They'll never get another click from me.

 

[OuterLimits]

Xbox sales are indeed plummeting. For whatever reason though Sony isn't benefiting a ton as the sales of PS5 aren't better than PS4. It will be interesting to see if GTA 6 causes a significant sales spike for consoles, or if most interested in the game have already purchased the systems.

My guess is a decent spike will occur but not to the degree Take Two CEO would like. Probably should try to release on PC ASAP honestly.

 

[Topher]

Xbox sales are indeed plummeting. For whatever reason though Sony isn't benefiting a ton as the sales of PS5 aren't better than PS4. It will be interesting to see if GTA 6 causes a significant sales spike for consoles, or if most interested in the game have already purchased the systems.

My guess is a decent spike will occur but not to the degree Take Two CEO would like. Probably should try to release on PC ASAP honestly.

They would be better off delaying the Xbox version and releasing it to PC and PS5 day one.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Xbox sales are indeed plummeting. For whatever reason though Sony isn't benefiting a ton as the sales of PS5 aren't better than PS4. It will be interesting to see if GTA 6 causes a significant sales spike for consoles, or if most interested in the game have already purchased the systems.

My guess is a decent spike will occur but not to the degree Take Two CEO would like. Probably should try to release on PC ASAP honestly.

Eh, I expect things to be fine. Besides, PS5 is selling like it is at a MUCH higher price than the PS4 was at this point. That it’s close is a good thing, particularly as Sony is in a better financial position as well.

As Topher said, cutting out the Xbox version and going PC Day 1 would probably yield better results.

 

[Hookshot]

When are Sony's next financials?

 

[Synastry]

When are Sony's next financials?

Thursday FEB 13

 

[Woopah]

it's coming from the precipitous drop in PS5 sales and low forecasts directly from Sony.

nobody denying the reality of ps5's plummeting sales have posted a single "cold hard number".

But Sony hasn't forecast a low number, they have forecast a high number (18 million). They could miss the forecast and have 17 million it would still not be a low number.

Will PS5 decline YoY from here on out? Yes, but that's what happens with every console and there's nothing unusual about that. There is no "precipitous drop" or "plummeting sales". It would be like someone in 1998 saying "nobody is denying the reality of PS1's plummeting sales."

PS5 is down double digit percentage YoY and is now tracking behind PS4 worldwide. A double digit dip is the definition of plummeting. Xbox though, plummeting is being nice, that system is straight up cratering.

With that said, people thinking GTA6 is going to save the console market are in for a rude awakening. There will be a bump, sure, but no one is having record setting quarters. There's already over 65 million PS5s out there, the market has already begun to capture a lot to the casual user base five years into the gen. There isn't tens of millions of people still stuck on PS4 and XB1 waiting for GTA6 to buy the next console.

If PS5 is plummeting, then so has pretty much every single console ever. It wasn't a problem for many of them and it isn't a problem for the PS5.

“Incorrectly” - yet, you showed nothing that refuted what Mibu no ookami stated.

ELDEN RING….. yeah, one game. What were its sales? What about the many others that sold better on PS5? This is what people mean. You cherry pick then act like someone is unfairly attacking you. Instead of playing the victim, back up your words.

Edit: https://levvvel.com/elden-ring-statistics/

All I’ve found, and it suggests Elden Ring sold more on PS4/5 than PC or Xbox. Refutable? Let’s see it.

Nice factual evidence provided there.

Typical.

Ok let's make this simple.

Can anyone provide hard evidence of ps5 sales outselling pc worldwide on a title?

Different games sell differently on different platforms. Often times we don't know too much as publishers don't reveal platform breakdowns.

Here's some examples from the 2020 Capcom leaks:

Monster Hunter World

PS4 - 8.6m
PC - 5.9m

Okami HD

Switch - 600k
PC - 536k
PS3 - 529k
PS4 - 445k
X1 - 121k

Ace Attorney Trilogy

Switch - 462,395
PC - 245,339
PS4 - 103,235
Xbox - 4,821

DMC V

PS4 1.7m
PC 1.1m
X1 324k

For Elden Ring specifically, at the end of 2022 it was:

Elden Ring PC- around 10m or so
Elden Ring PS5-3.64m
Elden Ring X/S-3.04m
Elden Ring PS4-2.67m

 

[Pasta la Vista]

I think it will definitely be the game that will move people to current gen if they are still on last gen at this point.

 

[mayham2199]

FWIW, Rockstar has only ever released two (I'm counting the remastered trilogy as one game for this point in making since it was a collection) 60fps GTA games on console ever since GTA 3 on PS2. One of them (GTA Trilogy) was a remake of the PS2 trilogy that was targeting Switch/PS4 and was able to run at 60fps on PS5. The other was a remaster/port of a PS3 game that was able to run at 60fps on PS5 (GTAV).

I just don't think we are getting a 60fps GTA6 on console at all this gen (even with Pro) considering Rockstars history of GTA and frame rates on consoles. Could it run at 60 if it was scoped that way from the beginning? Probably. But I doubt Rockstar scoped the game to be 60fps for this gen. They'd want to scope it as a 30fps game this gen so the game still looks damn impressive when the inevitable 60fps PS6 version comes around in four years or so.

Yea but couldn't you say this for most developers? Anything above 30 FPS on console only became the standard this gen.

 

[Zacfoldor]

GamesIndustry.biz presents… The Year In Numbers 2024

Tis the season to be jolly pouring over pie charts, bar graphs, tables and any other statistics we can throw at you.

www.gamesindustry.biz

PC isn't running away with anything, ever. Be careful believing the tagline that PC is a salvation to the industry. The press has already announced that is their propaganda goal this year. IMHO the reason for this is to reduce our power to effect game releases. "No more Rare Incel Victories without consoles, chuds!" they might say. It's dumb and won't work but they are trying to fight back.

PC's biggest issue is that PC gamers won't buy new AAA SP games at full price if they are not day and date on PC.

PC gamers also will not pay the same price as Xbox customers for the same Gamepass service.

It seems that PC gamers won't buy new SP AAA games at full price unless they are day and date on PC, otherwise they are considered "old."

There are also genre differences in the preference of the average PC gamer vs console gamer, for example PC gamers are much more partial to survival games.

Another thing wrong with PC gamers is they will not buy games more than once. Even if they are remasters or remakes. They feel the devs should just update the original game for free. In fact, few PC gamers even play games released within the last 12 months. Usually they play older games or their favorite game.

I'm not sure why the industry thinks PC is a big pot of gold waiting to be cracked open. You are PC gamers, are you not, what is incorrect about the above assumptions? If we do go day and date will you start buying Sony games like we do on Playstation?

As a PC gamer do you feel like you could be bilked for more money easily? Do you feel like there is a large amount of untapped money in the PC fanbase that Sony and Microsoft can get from you in some way, using only single player games? I don't.

 

[TheTony316]

"Plummeting PS5 sales" lmao.

Looks like the anti PS5 Discord leak is real.

 

[Viruz]

It's not a "minuscule" thing though; IGN have a long history of bias and favoritism towards Xbox, and when you've got people like Ryan McAssfery and (until recently) Destin Lebakery, both rather hardcore Xbox fanboys, working for the outlet in a professional capacity, that bias & favoritism tends to turn into FUD and negativity towards Xbox's perceived enemy. Which for generations, has been PlayStation.

With that type of history and people among the company, it's no wonder they write headlines like this as if to insinuate Xbox's problems are PlayStation's problem, or that PlayStation is going through the same level of problems as Xbox. Ironically, that fits directly in with talking points Philnochio Spencer started putting out among game media outlets early last year. The idea that Xbox's death spiral in the console market isn't the responsibility of Microsoft Gaming or Phil making years of horrible mistakes, but that it's simply the industry itself declining. And with that, this equally stupid idea that Microsoft are going to lead the industry doing some incredibly novel, forward-thinking platform strategy to "save gaming" while being 10 years ahead of Sony and Nintendo.

When the actual truth is, Phil and the rest of Microsoft Gaming don't want to admit that they're the reason Xbox as a traditional console is basically dead, don't want to admit that getting greedy and buying massive 3P publishers both gave any sort of relevance to Microsoft Gaming while at the same time guaranteeing they become a 3P publisher. Don't want to admit that they are basically a 3P publisher the same way SEGA ended up becoming, but purchased enough major IP and are a big enough company to try distracting from the fact they are basically pulling a SEGA.

As for IGN, I don't even need to say much else about them. They're a has-been website filled with professional shills and hacks, and the only two people gaming-wise over there I have respect for are NXGamer and John Linenmann (you know, since IGN acquired Eurogamer which basically owns Digital Foundry. Great :/). And I guess I have some respect for Rich from their Saturn magazine days but that's about it. He isn't far off from Alex, who we know is a complete Xbox/PC fanboy and you don't even have to look at the secret Discord stuff where he and buddies coordinated FUD against PS5 to know that.

IGN are irrelevant.

Great and informative post you should apply for a job at ign

"...you don't even have to look at the secret Discord stuff where he and buddies coordinated FUD..."
Never heard of this but it doesn't surprise me. Is there a thread here or some screens about it?

 

[Vroadstar]

He's not. He's a green rat who desperately tries to pretend he's one, when he's not pretending to be neutral.

Dench has revealed his true colors—an opportunistic rat who conveniently flip-flopped to the PC stance the moment his cherished console took a beating. Yet, when his blatant hypocrisy is pointed out, he masquerades as 'Mr. Neutral.' So transparent.

 

[Pimpbaa]

Ya see every screen is an Xbox, and if the PS5 is an Xbox but Xbox is failing, that means PS5 also failing. Shit I guess that means Switch and PC too. It’s all failing!

 

[onQ123]

Ok, I understand you guys wanting to defend Sony here...but lets try having a conversation not looking at Sony who are reporting the best revenue etc, that you guys use as defence.

Now let's look at the concern from publishers, who are seeing the console market shrink and sales of titles reducing. Sony sequels not growing, titles not selling as much on console as they used to. It doesn't matter to the publisher of GTA if Sony is making the most revenue of every gen. They care about seeing the sales numbers reduce and PC gaming growing in sales. That's why these questions are coming up. It's not just Xbox flatlining. Customers are not buying millions of copies of games for third party published titles on PS5. Not more than last gen. Its reducing. are you just choosing to ignore that?

If you want to discuss that fact, I am open to it. We actually know that the PS5 was outselling the PS4 launch aligned, so the pandemic helped its sales. People were spending well over the MSRP for the console and demand was at an unattainable height outside the worldwide phenom of the pandemic.

I want to talk about facts that we know right now, not hopes and dreams of the future.

Didn't you report someone & got them banned for trolling?

You're either delusional or trolling

They are not defending Sony they're being logical & you're being an ass just to be an ass
You deserve the same ban that you placed on someone else because you're doing the same thing

 

[Klayzer]

Didn't you report someone & got them banned for trolling?

You're either delusional or trolling

They are not defending Sony they're being logical & you're being an ass just to be an ass
You deserve the same ban that you placed on someone else because you're doing the same thing

His act is becoming increasingly tiresome.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Didn't you report someone & got them banned for trolling?

You're either delusional or trolling

They are not defending Sony they're being logical & you're being an ass just to be an ass
You deserve the same ban that you placed on someone else because you're doing the same thing

If you think my post you quoted is similar to this....

Again PS5 performing better than Series X.

Pro is best of course.

Edit: Series X hardware is garbage

You have issues.

Edit: infact...let's say I'm delusional. Can you discuss and raise factual points covering what I said and providing evidence to show that software sales are not less on most titles than they were in the ps4 gen? Can you dispute that the pandemic sales weren't higher for the first 14 months of the gen....that we didn't have videos of scalpers buying every unit that was available and selling g them out of car boots for triple the msrp?

I am a decent human. Show me where my comments are wrong and i will admit that i was incorrect in some of my statements.

His act is becoming increasingly tiresome.

Not another Sony fan, who's biggest contribution to this site is gaslighting users with different opinions to them not liking my posts....

You should go back and look at your posts and see how tiresome your act is.

 

[Skifi28]

This is not ending without a ban, is it?

*Grabs popcorn*

 

[DenchDeckard]

This is not ending without a ban, is it?

*Grabs popcorn*

If it did, I would question the site.

I work in pc tech and deal with many retailers.

There's a reason that businesses often comment how 2020 /2021 were freak years and while they will pull the data for 2022, they usually compare growth to 2019.

The pandemic boosted so many sales and revenue it's kind of frustrating saying that these companies lost out on sales due to the pandemic.

Everyone lost out on sales but they actually saw unprecedented growth through this period.

Sony sold many more ps5s to ps4s launch aligned in the first 14 months. Yes they could have sold more but this growth was driven by the pandemic. Everyone wanted tech.

It's the same for Xbox, nvidia. Amd. All tech companies.

I wanted to discuss why these questions are coming up. Maybe it's microsoft funded hit pieces. I'm in the uk. I don't know if these statements are real, that MS is paying for these negative articles.

That aside there is a real question about these publishers, who care mainly about money being apprehensive about dwindling console tam.

It should be concerning for everyone that game budgets are ballooning to extraordinary levels and software sales are not increasing anywhere near the same level. So pubs and devs are looking at the one growth sector that applies to these games. Which is PC. And thus we have these questions being asked by ign.

I want to make it clear. Someone saying ps5 sales are plummeting is factually incorrect and deserves to be called out.

The fact is, I believe, that sales are slipping behind on software and publishers/devs etc are rightfully nervous because investors are asking questions and they have to find alternative revenue sources to fund these games.

 

[Allandor]

Still don't believe this will release in 2026. I guess it is still going to release in 2027+.

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

If it did, I would question the site.

I work in pc tech and deal with many retailers.

There's a reason that businesses often comment how 2020 /2021 were freak years and while they will pull the data for 2022, they usually compare growth to 2019.

The pandemic boosted so many sales and revenue it's kind of frustrating saying that these companies lost out on sales due to the pandemic.

Everyone lost out on sales but they actually saw unprecedented growth through this period.

Sony sold many more ps5s to ps4s launch aligned in the first 14 months. Yes they could have sold more but this growth was driven by the pandemic. Everyone wanted tech.

It's the same for Xbox, nvidia. Amd. All tech companies.

I wanted to discuss why these questions are coming up. Maybe it's microsoft funded hit pieces. I'm in the uk. I don't know if these statements are real, that MS is paying for these negative articles.

That aside there is a real question about these publishers, who care mainly about money being apprehensive about dwindling console tam.

It should be concerning for everyone that game budgets are ballooning to extraordinary levels and software sales are not increasing anywhere near the same level. So pubs and devs are looking at the one growth sector that applies to these games. Which is PC. And thus we have these questions being asked by ign.

I want to make it clear. Someone saying ps5 sales are plummeting is factually incorrect and deserves to be called out.

The fact is, I believe, that sales are slipping behind on software and publishers/devs etc are rightfully nervous because investors are asking questions and they have to find alternative revenue sources to fund these games.

Nope. Once again you are wrong, by end of fiscal year 2021( around 18 months from release) PS5 was 3.1 million units behind ps4.

Edit: Not to mention ps5 sold more units in 2022 and 2023 as compared to 2021

 

[DenchDeckard]

Nope. Once again you are wrong, by end of fiscal year 2021( around 18 months from release) PS5 was 3.1 million units behind ps4.

Edit: Not to mention ps5 sold more units in 2022 and 2023 as compared to 2021

Are you talking about worldwide data? and have you checked the first 14 months which I mentioned?

And on sales increases, it is the norm for a console to sell the most in the third or 4th year. There wasnt the stock available to go crazy in 2020 / 2021 as per previous gens, manufacturers ramp up production in line with their forecasts. The pandemic helped drive demand to unprecedented levels. That is my entire point.

 

[mansoor1980]

 

[TheGodfather07]

This is not ending without a ban, is it?

*Grabs popcorn*

Trolls never know when to shut the fuck up.

 

[Three]

How dare ShiftUp say this when they don't have any bar graphs:

Stellar Blade's PC sales expected to exceed console, says Shift Up

Stellar Blade developer Shift Up expects the forthcoming PC release of its action game to exceed sales of the console r…

www.eurogamer.net

It's a Korean game that's likely to also be popular in places like China. PC hotbeds. What's your point? Now look which publisher the topic is about then look at what percentage of sales in the last quarter is made up of PC. Here's a clue, it's single digit.

 

[Neofire]

IGN just HOPES the PS5 sales plummet is how I read it. Just another article wanting consoles to die so that a small minority of people can sleep better at night.....

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

Are you talking about worldwide data? and have you checked the first 14 months which I mentioned?

And on sales increases, it is the norm for a console to sell the most in the third or 4th year. There wasnt the stock available to go crazy in 2020 / 2021 as per previous gens, manufacturers ramp up production in line with their forecasts. The pandemic helped drive demand to unprecedented levels. That is my entire point.

In FY 2021, ps5 sold just 11.5, whereas in FY 2014, ps4 sold 14.8 million units. Even if you compare the first 14 months, ps5 was behind ps4.

The demand was there beforehand, the stock shortage hurt Sony more than anything else. Without the shortage, Sony would have sold far more ps5 units

 

[kazuyamishima]

The pandemic helped drive demand to unprecedented levels. That is my entire point.

Yeah, but it did only for the Nintendo Switch, the only system with widely available stock, Sony sorted their stock problems until Holiday 2022, hence the big 2023.

But you also forget a big factor, neither Sony nor MS are following their previous strategies, both consoles haven’t received an official price cut as previous generations.

Also, current gen games just started to show more since last year, heck, 2025 feels like 2015, when most companies started to release current gen only games.

As opposed to a lot of people saying otherwise, the PS5 still has a lot of untapped potential. I guess the MH: Wilds Bundles in Japan will start to give us some insight.

 

[TrippleA345]

Only the Xbox leadership and its ambassadors are trying to use propaganda to create the impression that consoles have a problem that they don't have.
On the surface, from a business perspective, looks like everything is going well and normal for Playstation. (quantity and quality of games /gaming events and ... other topics are excluded from this discussion)

https://sonyinteractive.com/en/our-company/business-data-sales/

The ps5 was well behind the ps4 with 5.6 million units until the end of 2022 (Q3 FY2022). In the first 14 months, ps5 was already well behind ps4 (~end of september Q2 FY2021). The sales figures show that they have lost great potential there because the lockdowns have significantly boosted the gaming market. Q1 2023 (Q4 FY2022), sales figures exploded even though the lockdowns ended in most countries worldwide in 2022 already.

Spoiler: data

Game sales, on the other hand, rose significantly during the lockdowns and have now fallen back to where they were before

Spoiler: data

The Playstation is doing well to very well, considering the shortcomings in price, the supply shortages and the delays in video games during the lockdowns. Nintendo is doing phenomenally well, and the PC is also doing very well and growing step by step, Mobile gaming is huge. The only platform that is dying is Xbox. No one else.
If Playstation doesn't grow, it shouldn't be a problem, it's still a significant market where people spend a lot of money. If your game is good and costs 400$ mil to make, you'll recoup that money, see Elden Ring, see GOW Ragnorak and and and. If youre games sucks then that's your problem, the Playstation user base is big enough for expensive games.
It's that simple.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Only the Xbox leadership and its ambassadors are trying to use propaganda to create the impression that consoles have a problem that they don't have.
On the surface, from a business perspective, looks like everything is going well and normal for Playstation. (quantity and quality of games /gaming events and ... other topics are excluded from this discussion)

https://sonyinteractive.com/en/our-company/business-data-sales/

The ps5 was well behind the ps4 with 5.6 million units until the end of 2022 (Q3 FY2022). In the first 14 months, ps5 was already well behind ps4 (~end of september Q2 FY2021). The sales figures show that they have lost great potential there because the lockdowns have significantly boosted the gaming market. Q1 2023 (Q4 FY2022), sales figures exploded even though the lockdowns ended in most countries worldwide in 2022 already.

Spoiler: data

Game sales, on the other hand, rose significantly during the lockdowns and have now fallen back to where they were before

Spoiler: data

The Playstation is doing well to very well, considering the shortcomings in price, the supply shortages and the delays in video games during the lockdowns. Nintendo is doing phenomenally well, and the PC is also doing very well and growing step by step, Mobile gaming is huge. The only platform that is dying is Xbox. No one else.
If Playstation doesn't grow, it shouldn't be a problem, it's still a significant market where people spend a lot of money. If your game is good and costs 400$ mil to make, you'll recoup that money, see Elden Ring, see GOW Ragnorak and and and. If youre games sucks then that's your problem, the Playstation user base is big enough for expensive games.
It's that simple.

Wait until Microsoft and others end up suing Sony for access to put their storefronts and/or GamePass on PlayStation and the media will help push the narrative... You'll even see a few in Congress help with the push. The EU might be the first to tell Sony that they have to open up the PlayStation.

Probably the biggest reason Sony will keep physical media around.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Are you talking about worldwide data? and have you checked the first 14 months which I mentioned?

And on sales increases, it is the norm for a console to sell the most in the third or 4th year. There wasnt the stock available to go crazy in 2020 / 2021 as per previous gens, manufacturers ramp up production in line with their forecasts. The pandemic helped drive demand to unprecedented levels. That is my entire point.

Your problem remains - you create a narrative based on negative (and particularly false) information even when it has been explained to you that PS5 sales are not “plummeting”. This is also why you end up arguing with half a thread. It’s not just because you prefer Xbox (plenty here do and don’t run into this type of stuff).

The console is selling in line with how PlayStation systems sell (give or take a few million off [in either direction] from one of the best selling home consoles ever is a great place to be). That’s what everyone who’s paying attention and isn’t racked with extreme levels of bias can see. There is a console brand that plummeted and we now see the moves being made to adjust to that. PS5 isn’t that console. It will be another 100+ million seller just like the other three that have done it AND it will make its parent company more money than all of its predecessors combined.

 

[TheGodfather07]

Your problem remains - you create a narrative based on negative (and particularly false) information even when it has been explained to you that PS5 sales are not “plummeting”. This is also why you end up arguing with half a thread. It’s not just because you prefer Xbox (plenty here do and don’t run into this type of stuff).

The console is selling in line with how PlayStation systems sell (give or take a few million off [in either direction] from one of the best selling home consoles ever is a great place to be). That’s what everyone who’s paying attention and isn’t racked with extreme levels of bias can see. There is a console brand that plummeted and we now see the moves being made to adjust to that. PS5 isn’t that console. It will be another 100+ million seller just like the other three that have done it AND it will make its parent company more money than all of its predecessors combined.

But it has to sell more than PS4 to be successfull! There must be growth!/s

Why is he so obsessed with the growth of PlayStation, yet totally mute on the collapse of xbox? Where's the growth in xbox hardware? Where's the growth in gamepass subscribers? Where are all the software sales on xbox? Typical troll behaviour. Comes and shits up the whole thread and than plays the victim calling everybody "sony guys" and "sony squad". He's also asking questions nobody has answers to. How are we supposed to give sales data that isn't available? He knows that yet keeps asking the same shit so we end up going round in circles and turning it into twitter levels of discourse.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Your problem remains - you create a narrative based on negative (and particularly false) information even when it has been explained to you that PS5 sales are not “plummeting”. This is also why you end up arguing with half a thread. It’s not just because you prefer Xbox (plenty here do and don’t run into this type of stuff).

The console is selling in line with how PlayStation systems sell (give or take a few million off [in either direction] from one of the best selling home consoles ever is a great place to be). That’s what everyone who’s paying attention and isn’t racked with extreme levels of bias can see. There is a console brand that plummeted and we now see the moves being made to adjust to that. PS5 isn’t that console. It will be another 100+ million seller just like the other three that have done it AND it will make its parent company more money than all of its predecessors combined.

And the people talking about GTA6 saving the industry or saving PS5 are just as bad. It doesn't need saving.

Will GTA6 put the PS5 ahead of the PS4 LTD? Absolutely, it will. Will that magically change the dynamic of the PS5 or the industry? No, it won't.

If you added 10 million PS5s to the market today, the market wouldn't be drastically different. Those 10 million extra players, largely from PS4 would still be playing the same games they're playing now, which are largely live service games/annual sports titles. The games with the smallest reason to upgrade from one generation to the next, that and GTA6.

Ultimately over the next year or so, the PS5 is likely to add an extra 30 million plus players. That's a bit more significant in terms of attach rate for big titles.

You look at games like Marvel Rivals which just launched last year and you can see that the previous generation isn't needed to make a successful game. CF25 proved that as well. The industry is just fine. The bigger problem for the industry is the massive amount of AAA games on the market and the declining quality of those games, and when I say declining quality I mean the increase in jank from companies cutting corners on QA and the lack of unique games on the market that aren't following a AAA template.

Avowed is about to launch next week right after Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 and right before Monster Hunter Wilds. Civ7 just launched as did a new season of Destiny. For better or worse, Spider-Man 2 just hit PC as did FF7 Rebirth.

The problem isn't not enough games, it's too many.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Great and informative post you should apply for a job at ign

"...you don't even have to look at the secret Discord stuff where he and buddies coordinated FUD..."
Never heard of this but it doesn't surprise me. Is there a thread here or some screens about it?

A story was blowing up the past two days about the Discord; DF's Alex was one of the members, as was Klobrille (the guy who does Xbox posters for free) and some other people.

The ResetERA connection comes in the fact that IIRC, some members there (certainly people like Judge, who was an Xbox Ambassador at the time) were also in the Discord, and Alex has a ResetERA account that he uses semi-regularly. ResetERA also seems to have several members who only really just post Xbox news and topics like they're an automated RSS feed (Theorry, M.Wallace are two major ones).

There are other forums with the story, one of them has 'ERA' in the name is first published it along with screencaps, I'm sure you'd find it if you look (dunno if I can mention is here). There are some images with evidence tho like this one:

Being cheeky (maybe racist?) towards Shuhei and console-warring about PS fans

IIRC this account belongs to someone prominent online; planning a way to combat PS5 stuff with FUD (the people mentioned are/were all other NeoGAF or ResetERA members)

Proof of Alex Battaglia (Digital Foundry crew member) participating in the anti-PS5 Discord

 

[Mibu no ookami]

LordOcidax HogIsland

Sony released that they've hit 15.7 million so far in the fiscal year. They only need 2.3 million worldwide to hit their forecast... So much for plummeting sales or revising their forecast down...

Laughably wrong..

 

[Mibu no ookami]

As I expected, Sony had a MONSTER Q3 in sales even outdoing last year's Q3.

They sold 9.5 million units in Q3... Astonishing numbers...

Even selling half of what they did in the previous Q4, they'll hit their forecast... With 75 million units sold at the end of the fiscal year, this also places the PS5 ahead of the PS4 LTD by 1.4 million... Doomers... what?!

MAUs rose to 129 million... meaning we're absolutely seeing growth in the PlayStation platform which must be coming at the expense of Xbox and PC.

129 million with 75 million PS5s sold means that there are 54 million PS4s still actively playing. I was right on the money with my predictions that we're looking at 125-130 million PS5s sold by the end of the generation. Reality if the MAUs are this high, we're probably looking at closer to 135-140 million if not more...

Excellent report for SIE tonight.

 

[onQ123]

Come out come out whenever you are!

We just want to talk

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

Come out come out whenever you are!

Reminds me of an old EA game called Future cop LAPD, the enemy AI always sent childs down child me's spine whenever he said that.