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[PeteBull]

"I wish that discussions here were moderated a bit more to promote balanced viewpoints and discourage personal attacks"

I feel like all the dissenters here are hung up on this one sentence from the OP. Most people can agree with the rest of the OP about the discourse getting worse.

Balanced viewpoints can be many things, in the 80-90s moderates had exact viewpoints that by today's leftists standards are considered all kinds of unacceptable.
I say moderates but i can even show u CNN material from the 90s that promotes all white men dev studio here


Now imagine what today's CNN would do in that vid- questions about diversity, why there is no women in the team, why all the ppl are white straight males and other meaningless yet extremly negative questions with agenda behind it.

 

[March Climber]

It's either that or just don't go in that thread and try another.

This action leads to my ignore list 'battle royale' example a few posts above.

TBF, only the most obvious news of events that clearly play into/invite culture war stuff, get those types of responses at a high rate (or at all). If it seems like it happens more than in the past, well the industry itself is in large part to blame.

So you (and quite a few others here) are saying that the industry is to blame for how this forum's community currently runs itself? Then, aside from your few examples when it doesn't happen, when that stuff starts leaking into the other threads in the form of shitposting or worse, is the industry also to blame for that as well?

 

[Fahdis]

I'm here. A bit late but here. An equal opportunity hater. How can I be of service OP?

 

[Boglin]

If the shoe were on the other foot and the gaming industry were run by extreme conservatives who began overtly injecting their politics and values into their games' narratives( such as pushing religion, anti-gay rhetoric, etc), then I think GAF would be just as vocal against that dogma as they are against the woke. When I grew up I was making fun of the right for their moral pearl clutching about video games. Now I'm doing the same towards the left who have much more leverage to push their ideology in games than the right ever did.

However, I do think people are currently hypersensitive to what might be considered woke and occasionally are charging at windmills. Hopefully it'll go away when things eventually balance out.

 

[FunkMiller]

Oh, I see OP. This entire thing was just a cunning plan to score yourself some gold.

Well played.

 

[Agent_Nobody]

I'm here. A bit late but here. An equal opportunity hater. How can I be of service OP?

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

I'd agree with the OP's premise if the year was 2015.

The problem is that it's 2024 and the woke insanity has reached critical mass. Both in movies and videogames, 2024 is a bombastic year. I am fed up with arguing about it, but I am even more fed up that everything in Western media has been infested by this pest.

Even so, I'd let it slide if those people weren't so annoyingly aggressive. The discourse certainly has become unbearable.

As for being tolerant, no, I won't be tolerant of people who call me names for liking things they don't like and vice-versa.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

Meh, it's proportional pushback on the bullshit that seems to have permeated most parts of the industry. If you don't like it, ignore the posters that post it and move on. No need for serious concern.

 

[Outlier]

I feel ya, but that's the beauty of the "Force".

The harder one side pushes, the harder the other side pushes back, with in the middle getting crushed, by the chaos.

We're in a war, in many forms and we're all feeling it.

 

[Palabragrís]

NeoGAF, more or less, has freedom of speech. At least in the sense that if you have an opinion about something, you're welcome to express it and defend it. In my experience here, even the most terrible opinions are tolerated as long as they're well articulated and not overly antagonistic. Case in point, OP believes that GAF should have more strict moderation - and that's an opinion I don't personally agree with.

If this place truly were an echo chamber, as OP claims, then his opening post would be nothing but LOL emojis. Instead, he's got a lot of thumbs up, hearts, thoughtfulness, and strength emojis. Someone gifted OP gold. In an open forum like this one, the way to combat becoming an echo chamber is to actually post dissenting opinions, and back them up.

I completely agree with this one.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

It's hard to argue OP doesn't have a point after looking at the first few responses. All OP is asking for is "civility" of some sort and some "acceptance" of opposing views. These are reasonable requests and he wasn't specific with moderation suggestions or any solution like that. People are allowed to be jerks without being banned/threatened. We still want them to improve to not be jerks. I also think the baiting with the political stuff (woke vs. anti-woke) is very obvious and intentional. People polarize themselves to one side of that debate and refuse to try to understand where the other side is coming from. I still think everyone (including OP) wants to be able to dunk on others' opinions without fear of banning.

This. This whole thread is confirmation of what the OP is talking about. I left the other site a couple of years ago due to it being an echo chamber and now I can gradually see seeds being planted on GAF to be the same way......just at the other end of the spectrum.

 

[A.Romero]

I like this thread.

I've been part of NeoGAF in some capacity for quite a long time. I really enjoy this forum and can tell the difference in quality of dicussions compared to pretty much any other social network. I can also see that after the schsim a few years back, GAF's identity leans more in opposition to the other forum which is OK. I like the fact that moderation tends to be assertive and members are generally not assholes.

I have no problems regarding radical posting and I think the last renmants of extreme positions were cleared when the politics forum was destroyed (which I believe was the best decision possible).

I wish discussions weren't so focused on console warring (personally I don't understand that) but technical discussions and sometimes the industry discussions can be really good, at the level they can't be found anywhere else.

 

[Edgelord79]

I have a hard time disagreeing with the OP. It’s usually the same people echoing these things. I just ignore them. All you can do and it works.

 

[JayK47]

I'm sick of hearing the statement "I hate wokeness in games as much as the next guy, but some of you take it too far." Pretty much every game franchise I love has been turned to shit and I guess I complain too much or too hard about it. Well, I have a lot of free time to bitch about it since I am not buying or playing these games. I am now at a point where I am far more entertained reading about and complaining about how awful gaming has become rather than just playing what used to be fun games. But they are not fun anymore. They beat you over the head with an agenda. I remember when the media used to say games were too violent and kids should not be playing them. Well now they are too preachy and pushing just awful ideology and misinformation and now I am the one saying kids should not be playing these games. Damn.

I guess I can still mostly go back and play old games. But what happens when the old games get so damn old they may not even be playable? Scary times.

 

[F3112006]

I completely agree with the OP.

Who gives a shit if i can call my character he/she/them/they, its an option, or if one of the side missions focuses on a non binary character? If the game is good i dont give a shit.

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

I'm sick of hearing the statement "I hate wokeness in games as much as the next guy, but some of you take it too far." Pretty much every game franchise I love has been turned to shit and I guess I complain too much or too hard about it. Well, I have a lot of free time to bitch about it since I am not buying or playing these games. I am now at a point where I am far more entertained reading about and complaining about how awful gaming has become rather than just playing what used to be fun games. But they are not fun anymore. They beat you over the head with an agenda. I remember when the media used to say games were too violent and kids should not be playing them. Well now they are too preachy and pushing just awful ideology and misinformation and now I am the one saying kids should not be playing these games. Damn.

I guess I can still mostly go back and play old games. But what happens when the old games get so damn old they may not even be playable? Scary times.

And the same disgusting industry allowing dei and wokeness to take over also just won a court battle over game preservation ...it's my biggest fear as well being console gamer with an absolutely massive digital library of games. That one day they'll be forever removed from storefronts with no recourse to even be able to download said games.

The industry is a hell hole now, despite there still being good games and an insane amount of choice. It's the business end of things, the politics and agendas, and anti consumer/gamer practices that are so out of control and worse than ever.

 

[AGRacing]

I don't like your post OP.

Hey why haven’t you been banned yet!?

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

There's no nuance to be had with Woke, it's the exact same shit over and over again that always sinks whatever it touches.

Years ago games could have mild woke elements that wouldn't ruin it, but as time goes it kept getting ramped up and ramped up, now it's at an intolerable level and either the industry drops it like a bad habit or it will sink the industry.

 

[rsouzadk]

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

I think many if not most of the anti-woke diatribes expose a weakness in white males that I am disappointed to see. It counters the narrative of strength and confidence that they like to portray. This post will probably be moderated - again due to over sensitivity.

If anything it will be moderated for being racist bullshit since you don't even know the race of the people making these anti woke "diatribes". Interesting also how you suspect it will be moderated...is that because you know how utterly stupid the generalization you're making is?

Everything about that post screams out exactly what the problem is with woke extremists like you. Irrational, extreme leftist thinking and an obsession with divisive qualities that people have no control over, like skin color and sexuality.

Your woke ideology is absolutely ruining gaming. It's negative bullshit that can't get beyond superficial biological differences communist ideology. It's class warfare forced into our beloved medium. Weak and greedy publishers have felt forced to go along with this absurd agenda or else suffer the consequences of media attacks by like minded individuals such as your racist self.

Sadly, its been to the detriment of developer talent and writing quality. One gets to a point where we don't want to roll our eyes anymore when year after year we see our favorite franchises and developers going down the drain. We've realized just how obnoxious and damaging it is and at that point we have lost all tolerance for even the "small issues" shoved into our favorite games.

Hopefully it won't last forever but gaming will continue to go downhill for most gamers outside of your group of zealots, until the tide turns and people regain their senses.

 

[lmimmfn]

I'm sick of hearing the statement "I hate wokeness in games as much as the next guy, but some of you take it too far." Pretty much every game franchise I love has been turned to shit and I guess I complain too much or too hard about it. Well, I have a lot of free time to bitch about it since I am not buying or playing these games. I am now at a point where I am far more entertained reading about and complaining about how awful gaming has become rather than just playing what used to be fun games. But they are not fun anymore. They beat you over the head with an agenda. I remember when the media used to say games were too violent and kids should not be playing them. Well now they are too preachy and pushing just awful ideology and misinformation and now I am the one saying kids should not be playing these games. Damn.

I guess I can still mostly go back and play old games. But what happens when the old games get so damn old they may not even be playable? Scary times.

I only watch TV shows and movies from <2017 unless I know newer stuff isint woke, the same for gaming.

There are plenty of excellent movies, TV shows and games prior to that that are excellent.

Don't purchase/invest in woke shit as you'll just make it worse for yourself.

 

[Icymanipulator]

I think the OP a nice reminder to not explode at every little thing that you disagree with.

That said, I like it here because you aren’t moderated to hell and can freely express opinions.

No one on GAF is getting banned because they liked/bought/enjoy Harry Potter for example.

 

[lmimmfn]

I think many if not most of the anti-woke diatribes expose a weakness in white males that I am disappointed to see. It counters the narrative of strength and confidence that they like to portray. This post will probably be moderated - again due to over sensitivity.

White males? That's a bit racist and sexist no?
I think you're in the wrong forum mate!!!

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

What's nice about GAF is being able to post your opinion about something without the fear of being permabanned.



GAF may seem one-sided because a lot of members are of the opinion that woke culture and DEI are completely destroying creativity and, as a result, the games we love and are passionate about. That sort of says a lot considering members here seem to be from all over the world.

If someone here were to post that they're all for DEI, agenda pushing, woke culture, etc. I don't think they'd get permabanned for it. They may get LOL reacts or something but I don't think there are any mods here that would immediately ban them for a differing opinion.

Yeah out of all the gaming forums I've tried, GAF seems the most fair. From a Steam users first for over a decade to gamefaqs for a few years and now to both Neogaf and Resetera. Everyone has a voice and you can like or dislike whatever you like as long as you don't go hostile with users which seems fair. I don't even see GAF as the other side of Era because GAF seems more of a middle ground and doesn't seem like a echo chamber at all. While Era is and it's among the worse ones since it's a echo chamber for the insane that sees the crazy views that have as facts. With the exception of some reasonable members here and there. Seen a few members there that somehow still got banned even though they seem very left but because they disagree with somethings slightly, they still managed to get the ban.

And besides the most extreme stuff here is nothing compared to Era since in here at most it'll just be like "okay that was a bit much" or "I don't think it's that woke" while in Era it's like "Okay these people are completely insane but can't question it" or "WTF do these people really think like this?" etc. I'll say 4CHAN would be the other side of Era that is just as bad since people there can say absolutely what they want and be as hostile as they want at all times. Gamefaqs used to be great but is now more like a Era Lite. Steam and Reddit are huge but it depends on which forum as they don't feel connected like how Gamefaqs, Neogaf, and ResetEra is.

I remember when the media used to say games were too violent and kids should not be playing them. Well now they are too preachy and pushing just awful ideology and misinformation and now I am the one saying kids should not be playing these games. Damn.

Yeah it was mostly the religious folks that have problems with some violent gory games but you know what I'll take those old SJW easily any day over the insane stuff we got now. At least the religious ones that hates violent and gore will just look at the game with disgust and say it's bad or sinful and that's about it as they were still sane folks just very strict. While the current SJWs are just completely twisted and insane and want to force the crazy stuff they think as fact on you.

 

[Kacho]

we all need to try to be a little more accepting of others

Such as?

 

[Mibu no ookami]

OP is correct.

Wish we could just talk about video games without turning it into a culture war. Good to see the silent majority out here asking for civil discourse in gaming.

This is our hobby, why are we letting tourists takeover the conversation? We just want to talk about games, enjoy games. If you don't like a game or the direction a studio is going in, vote with your wallet.

 

[Romulus]

It seems to me moderates are way less tolerated on places like reddit and the purple forum.

 

[apocaliptic]

I don't mind both sides. I am for freedom of discussions and expression. And I think that this forum compared to many others is more open and gives the members more freedom of expression. Maybe the mods shouldn't allow multiple threads for the same topic. But also no one can deny that Concord's threads have been entertaining.

 

[DaciaJC]

hi you don't know what you're talking about

Hi, I appreciate the attempt at gaslighting but really, you needn't waste your time - thanks!

 

[DEAD ORIGINAL]

Can't you find something else to talk about?
Is this song the only one you sing?
Makes you look better when you put things down?
Value your opinion!

I'm fed up 'cause all you want to do is criticize.

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

White males? That's a bit racist and sexist no?
I think you're in the wrong forum mate!!!

Imagine replacing "white males" in this statement with something different. Moderation is tolerating it, probably because it directly references the subject of this thread. Pretty sure if you'd make this exact post but with something other in there instead of "while males", you'd get into trouble. Rightfully so, it's pretty offensive racist bullshit.

 

[HogIsland]

Hi, I appreciate the attempt at gaslighting but really, you needn't waste your time - thanks!

No seriously

 

[PSYGN]

Please do not be worried, I am here. And I will protect you. And I agree with you.

 

[PeteBull]

I think the OP a nice reminder to not explode at every little thing that you disagree with.

That said, I like it here because you aren’t moderated to hell and can freely express opinions.

No one on GAF is getting banned because they liked/bought/enjoy Harry Potter for example.

And same thing goes for super leftists games, like fricken dusborn, concord or super recent DA:V, we have ppl who bought those games here on site(some did it out of curiosity to check how bad they really are even ;p) and thats perfectly fine, we might make a joke about it, but no1 will tell other person what to play or not to play, aka what to do with his/her hard earned cash/valuable time.

Ofc some basic accountability has to be there- aka u wanna support such propaganda- fine, just dont claim there is nothing there, no agenda, its just " different angle", "lighting","creative direction", "artists expression" or coincidence, that stuff looks the way it actually looks in the game

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

If woke-haters are not moderated enough then neither are pro-wokeness people either, therefore its a fair forum. Purple forum is insane, you cant say anything without being permanent banned unless you agree with everything everyone else is saying. I dont see any hate here, people voting with their wallets and have every right to say we dont need any of that shit in our games, we just want to play games, relax and have fun. If we just keep silent, they will walk over us and you can already see what happens when that is the case. In the beginning it was an innocent minority, now its a full on crucification, however now all those movies, games are so bad that they cant even hide behind "its because of woke haters". They straight up are releasing trash.

 

[PeteBull]

If woke-haters are not moderated enough then neither are pro-wokeness people either, therefore its a fair forum.

Yup, thats the difference, when in doubt just ask the clowns to describe what is a woman w/o using the very word and their whole ideology goes out of the window =]

Thats why sane ppl never ask for more moderation, we acknowledge the power of arguments and inteligence of our fellow gaf-bros, u can easily explain stuff based on reality and biology, no need to take stuff on faith(and i say it as a christian catholic person, the difference is here in Poland we had plenty jokes about pope even when we had polish pope and we all laughed so hard hearing them
Believe into something is one thing- being insufferable zealot who wants to convert every1 around him to that pov is another- every intelligent person will easily understand one isnt same as the other.

 

[Psychostar]

OP I agree with your post. A lot of the responses I see on threads lately mirror the same behaviors being critiqued. Gaf has always had a wide range of commenters and I think that's great, but the DEI stuff seems to be bringing out the trolls out of the woodwork in full force lol. The topic is truly cursed, whether you are for it or against it, unfortunately the responses that people display are often in poor taste.

I'm glad you raised some awareness. Let's keep Gaf the lovely enthusiast gamer site it is and remember why we started posting here to begin with. The quality of threads is declining as everyone falls pray to these topics.

The less attention/engagement you give a topic, the less fuel you give people to burn you with, making it harder for 'journalists' to create articles spawned from these forums designed to waste your time for clicks.

GG, GL HF.

 

[PeteBull]

OP I agree with your post. A lot of the responses I see on threads lately mirror the same behaviors being critiqued. Gaf has always had a wide range of commenters and I think that's great, but the DEI stuff seems to be bringing out the trolls out of the woodwork in full force lol. The topic is truly cursed, whether you are for it or against it, unfortunately the responses that people display are often in poor taste.

I'm glad you raised some awareness. Let's keep Gaf the lovely enthusiast gamer site it is and remember why we started posting here to begin with. The quality of threads is declining as everyone falls pray to these topics.

The less attention/engagement you give a topic, the less fuel you give people to burn you with, making it harder for 'journalists' to create articles spawned from these forums designed to waste your time for clicks.

GG, GL HF.

Totally diseagree, check for example DA:V preview and review threads here on gaf, all those sellout professional journos praise that shitty game to heaven and back, no1 warns and shows reality of how it actually is(skillup review did but he is freaking youtuber, not journalist)

Dragon Age: The Veilguard - Hands-On Previews

The press played 6-7 hours of the game: https://www.vg247.com/dragon-age-the-veilguard-is-so-much-more-than-you-think-it-is-and-it-channels-biowares-best https://www.pcgamer.com/games/dragon-age/the-veilguard-preview-hands-on/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social...

www.neogaf.com

Here preview thread, actual journalists who had gamers interests in mind would have warned us instead of making preview of a game literal ad for it- ofc they "have to" do it, their living depends on it, same publisher who sends them preview/review code buys out ad space at their site

That is the reason we shouldnt be quiet about it, as players, when nasty stuff happens we arent only allowed but are obliged to call it out.