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She wasn't charged with rape though, she was charged with exploiting her position of authority.She's a victim of a ridiculous law that makes a 23 year old having sex with a 17 year old a rapist, yeah.
She wasn't charged with rape though, she was charged with exploiting her position of authority.She's a victim of a ridiculous law that makes a 23 year old having sex with a 17 year old a rapist, yeah.
I don't think anyone is attacking it as pedophilia since being attracted to a 17-year-old is not even close.
No. You're forgetting age of consent.Is it statutory rape if two underage people (say both are 16) have sex? What if they've been together for 3 years, then one of them turns 18 first. Is it still statutory rape until the other turns 18 despite history?
No. You're forgetting age of consent.
It's different state to state, but in a lot of places, it's 16 and 17. A couple of states have it at 15 still, I believe.
Where are you getting this information from? It's not in the OP and that's what people are reacting to. No one is going on the pedophilia angle. If what you say is true, it totally changed the story and it sucks for her.
"i exploit my authority to have sex with students under my supervision", says former teacher who now works as a stripper
It's the natural extension of people who view sexuality through a lens where men are predators and women are prey.Straight up bananas that she's claiming that she is the victim.
I sort of mentioned it earlier, but it's against the law for teachers to have sex with 18 year old students in Iowa as well.
This is an abuse of power charge, not an age of consent charge.
If that expanded story posted a few posts up is true, I do feel sympathetic for her. However, as a teacher, you shouldn't be sleeping with high school students at any school/district. Being over the age of consent doesn't matter. I know that teachers have been disciplined/fired for doing that in Ontario.
I won't speak to criminal charges, especially if the story is unclear, but she most definitely deserved to lose her job and teaching license.
Considering he was 17 and she 23 that seems fair to meOnly charged with sexual exploitation (not rape).
There was a more detailed article I found on tumblr that googling about doesn't reveal. I'll understand if you guys are skeptical, though I do hope you at least do your due dilligence.
The linked article is short on details but they do eventually give some of the exculpatory facts. The penultimate paragraph reports on the blackmail, where no one will read it, and they significantly underplay it, but it's there.
There was a more detailed article I found on tumblr that googling about doesn't reveal. I'll understand if you guys are skeptical, though I do hope you at least do your due dilligence.
The linked article is short on details but they do eventually give some of the exculpatory facts. The penultimate paragraph reports on the blackmail, where no one will read it, and they significantly underplay it, but it's there.
I heard about this. They seriously buried the lede.
-He was 17. That's over the age of consent there.
-She wasn't teaching in his school district when they started the relationship.
-She tried to break things off when she got transferred to his school
-...At which point he blackmailed her into staying, saying something to the effects of "I'm going to piss on the cinders of your life."
Blackmail is illegal. Having sex with a 17 year old is not, even if it's pretty stupid.
This hysteria is getting pretty out of control. I'm starting to think if he raped her at gunpoint you'd still be calling her a pedo.
This isn't just sexual assault or inappropriate. She was raped. Over, and over, by someone who had threatened to ruin her life, by someone who was verbally abusive. Now she has to deal with people who are quicker to rush to condemnation than get all the facts, and her career is over. I can only imagine what the past few months have been like for her in that situation, and to have it compounded by awful media coverage like this.
I sincerely hope she manages to get back on track. I definitely hope the boy winds up in jail for this.
And if you guys think victim blaming her is appropriate, I really don't know what to tell you. Maybe start prioritizing your feminism over signalling your distaste of pedophilia.
NY Daily News said:Haglin and the teen met last year at Cedar Rapids’ Washington High School when she served as a student teacher in one of his classes. They began chatting through Facebook and text messages last September, and the teen continuously badgered her, asking her to meet up for lunch or coffee, she said.
NY Daily News said:When Haglin began substituting in one of the boy’s classes, he sent her romantic test messages and left flirty Post-It notes on her desk, she claimed.
She quickly forgot about his age because she was so enamored with the sweet talk, she said.
“He did so with such intelligence and such an elevated vocabulary, that I was completely duped by the whole façade," she said.
Their relationship turned physical — but she insisted that the underage student initiated all sexual contact.
I sincerely hope you get forced into survival sex work after an abusive partner ruins your career.
So...post it?
I think you're referring to the antepenultimate paragraph in which the student reportedly says that he will "burn down her life" if she breaks up with him. Is this condemnable in this type of a relationship with a clearly imbalanced power dynamic? Is it unreasonable to think that if the genders were reversed, the female student may say something similar? I'm not sure how this proves that the teacher was the victim in this situation.
Not, as far as I know, if you're not in their district.
If that is the letter of the law, it's honestly pretty absurd.
And even if you don't buy that, enabling an abuser and forcing her into survival sex work is nowhere near a proportionate response.
I can't find the tumblr article, and honestly, if you can't be arsed to go check the linked article it's not my responsibility to educate you.
Yeah, that's what I was referring to. That's what I mean about them downplaying it; in the other article he's quite explicit that he means reporting her and ending her career... which might be appropriate if he were trying to end things, but he was doing it to force her to stay. If you don't think that's blackmail, it's not my job to walk you through the model penal code one line at a time.
There was a power imbalance, yes. Benefiting the person that had the power to blackmail one party and threaten her career. Not the teacher that was working twenty miles away until he blackmailed her.
Think I'm done here. Enjoy living in a world where blackmail is okay if you're young enough.
Think I'm done here. Enjoy living in a world where blackmail is okay if you're young enough.
Why would she be charged with rape? Does consent not matter at all in the US if it's 18+ having sex with under 18?
Edit: Avocado?
hilarious, savage, trueYou have got to be dumber than a box of rocks to share naked pictures with a 17-year-old boy, Dr. Phil McGraw said
Wow, that escalated incredibly quick.I sincerely hope you get forced into survival sex work after an abusive partner ruins your career.
Correct. If they are older than 18 having sex with a minor, it's still consider statutory in most US states. Some states let it slide if they are 16 and have parent permission, most states do not.
The power imbalance you're talking about only came about because the teacher, while in a position of power, acted unwisely and exploited her advantageous position. No teacher should enter into a relationship with a student unless they're prepared to take public responsibility for the relationship. She entered into a relationship with a student with full knowledge of the consequences. The teacher's irresponsibility lead to the situation where the student had the power to leverage her into staying in the relationship. Now I would also characterize that as psychological abuse, and thus blaming the continuing relationship on her is no good. Still, what she ideally would have done there was take the high road, break off the relationship and face any comeuppance. While it's understandably very difficult for an abused person to do that, that's what a capable authority figure would do. Instead she continued to lie. I wouldn't wish the psychological abuse and stress she faced on anybody but that fact remains that she broke the law and appears unfit to be in a position of power based on her actions.I can't find the tumblr article, and honestly, if you can't be arsed to go check the linked article it's not my responsibility to educate you.
Yeah, that's what I was referring to. That's what I mean about them downplaying it; in the other article he's quite explicit that he means reporting her and ending her career... which might be appropriate if he were trying to end things, but he was doing it to force her to stay. If you don't think that's blackmail, it's not my job to walk you through the model penal code one line at a time.
There was a power imbalance, yes. Benefiting the person that had the power to blackmail one party and threaten her career. Not the teacher that was working twenty miles away until he blackmailed her.
Think I'm done here. Enjoy living in a world where blackmail is okay if you're young enough.
I know what you mean. I saw that episode of SVU where the 30 something girl kept moving from school to school pretending to be a high school student having sex with the boys too.That kid is slick.
Too slick perhaps.
Haglin now works as a stripper using the name Bambi.
"You're a peach" is a common expression of someone being nice. It's swung around as a compliment and no one questions it but you'd never say it to someone you'd fuck. It's borderline condescending like "sweety."guys please explain the avocado thing i am begging you
17 year old to 23 year old would be perfectly legal and fine here in England
17 year old to 23 year old would be perfectly legal and fine here in England. God bless that kid he lived the life most of us dreamed of in school.
Poor woman did the nicest thing she could have possibly done and got convicted for it.
Dude is smooth
"Avocado"
Modern day Cyrano there
Let's swap the gender roles for one second here, with an adult male teacher having sex with an underage female. Would you feel the same way then? What if it was your daughter? I imagine you'd want to kill the guy who had sex with her. So why should it be any different if the pervert in this case is a female teacher? It's not a case of girls will be girls. She's an adult. He's a child. Age was most definitely a factor.That's not true, the most common age of consent in the USA is 16, period. Including in Iowa, where this happened. Age was not a factor in this case.