sunnysideup
Banned
psn is a subscription service, like netflix. Epic gives them for free.
IMO Sony is forced to release their games on PC because soon it will be all about the digital locker & being able to play your games anywhere
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psn is a subscription service, like netflix. Epic gives them for free.
Kagey K
Banned
Well the PlayStation launcher wouldn't.
So it was really an aside or deflection from my real point.
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Filthy Casual
Member
But why? It's not like they're struggling financially, PlayStation is very healthy right now with a massive install base on PS4. Why is there this great need to do things different?
Kagey K
Banned
Because if they don't they will be struggling soon.
They were very close to going under during the PS3 era and they won't forget it soon.
Money means more then people every time.
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sunnysideup
Banned
And why would thirdparties publish their games there. We are not entering an era of an default launcher on pc. Quite the contrary. The future is in mulitple storfronts. Where every third party has their own store.
says who?
Kagey K
Banned
The same people that say no?
Im not really sure what you are trying to confirm or deny there.
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PC is basically all digital and the games are cheaper then console lifetime and day one. Those games will also work forever unlike consoles where you might be locked into that ecosystem. That's where people were against all digital. There was the slow internet speed argument but since almost all games need a large day one patch the disc isn't what it use to be.
Little Chicken
Banned
This strategy will only work if they continue to follow Microsoft's lead. Can't imagine PS4/5 players will want to buy the same game twice.
Me too.
150 games I bought on PSN this gen. Steam will earn more money with me on the future.
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sid2vicious
Banned
I was about to respond to this as well. I remember this argument when PlayStation Go was a thing, people were just not ready for a all digital gaming device, it's concept was way ahead of its time, because Steam proved digital gaming can be a good thing. This is not to confuse with Stadia which is a streaming device, that's different because you don't get to keep the games, and imo the cons outweigh the pros, and subscription will never be a thing for me for the same reason I avoided MMO's all my life.
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MMaRsu
Member
Wrong. Oh so wrong.
What is the disadvantadge to Sony releasing their exclusives, a year or maybe two years after they have come out on their consoles? It would have already sold gangbusters on consoles, and can then make a few extra million sales perhaps by releasing it on PC, on every storefront there is.
There really is no way to fail with this strategy
I think Sony is releasing Decima engine on PC and Horizon Zero Dawn as an example of how well it performs on PC to encourage 3rd parties to use it. In my opinion it's a strategic move to get 3rd parties to use their tools to create their next gen games. Not a precursor for all PlayStation games to be in PC.
I think this is important for them at the start of the new generation as it's quite clear that DX12 adoption is increasing and this is only beneficial to Microsoft and xbox Series X.
All the big 3rd party engines are performing well on essentially Microsoft api. Gears 5 using Unreal engine (the biggest 3rd party engine), imo brilliantly, is the best example. The coalition is stacked with ex epic games engineers. Microsoft want to be performant on unreal engine. If Unreal engine is popular next gen then Xbox games both 1st and 3rd party will be in a good position to look best too.
I don't think it's a coincidence that Rage engine running on red dead redemption performs significantly better on Xbox one X. This means next gen GTA should be a 'looker' on Series X in comparison to PlayStation as it will be tuned to Direct X 12...unless, Sony get their tools out there to developers to compete...before the generation starts.
I think this is important for them at the start of the new generation as it's quite clear that DX12 adoption is increasing and this is only beneficial to Microsoft and xbox Series X.
All the big 3rd party engines are performing well on essentially Microsoft api. Gears 5 using Unreal engine (the biggest 3rd party engine), imo brilliantly, is the best example. The coalition is stacked with ex epic games engineers. Microsoft want to be performant on unreal engine. If Unreal engine is popular next gen then Xbox games both 1st and 3rd party will be in a good position to look best too.
I don't think it's a coincidence that Rage engine running on red dead redemption performs significantly better on Xbox one X. This means next gen GTA should be a 'looker' on Series X in comparison to PlayStation as it will be tuned to Direct X 12...unless, Sony get their tools out there to developers to compete...before the generation starts.
Bryank75
Banned
Nonsense, PlayStation is a CONSOLE BRAND. People expect instant plug and play. It was never about connected this or that or 'play anywhere'.
It is all about a box that you connect to your big TV and can play some high quality games. If it was about ease of access and play anywhere, people would have got a Switch or a gameboy or a Vita or..... a bloody phone or tablet.
This whole thing make zero sense and they are shooting themselves in the foot.
It is all about a box that you connect to your big TV and can play some high quality games. If it was about ease of access and play anywhere, people would have got a Switch or a gameboy or a Vita or..... a bloody phone or tablet.
This whole thing make zero sense and they are shooting themselves in the foot.
People quit buying your console because they can buy the games on PC. You miss out on billions on the cut of sale of third party games. It is really easy for them to lose. No ps plus fees the games will be discounted since they are old. No extra boxes around the house. The only one who does not lose is valve who gets lots of new customers.
StreetsofBeige
Member
You really think PS gamers are drop what they are doing, buy a PC, and 2 years later buy the PC version of UC or God of War?
So what you're saying is everything a traditional console provides such as this will be tossed out the window because a PC version comes out years later.....
- console hardware at a reasonable price
- ease of use/plug and play
- getting to play that hot first party game on day one... not day 365 or 730
- the gamer's history of trophies, friends lists, and anything else associated with a console profile that may not transfer to a PC version
- playing the game in front of their big tv on the couch
- for traditional gamers buying a disc, they will forego this and go PC digital
Do you really think that many PS console gamers happy with console gaming are going to move to PC?
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CJY
Banned
Care to elaborate? In what way are consoles holding gaming back?
Considering Sony thinks enough of their users might switch to PC to bring out the pro this generation should answer that question. A year or 2 is not much a wait for a single player game. Especially on PC with the enormous catalog of games.
StreetsofBeige
Member
Considering how big Sony first party games sell (front loaded), it shows the games are hot sellers in month one. Not slow sellers like Minecraft or GTA that linger around for years.
The console gamer seems happy to buy right away. Not wait it out to play God of War two years later on PC. That PS gamer will buy PS consoles to play now.
As for the PC crowd, whether they play God of War 2 years after PS5 or 4 years after doesn't matter because the sales potential is there more additional sales Sony would never have got anyway because that's a core PC gamer who might think a console is a peasant piece of shit hardware.
Also, with the way PC gamers like to hoard games and never play even half of them (I bet the PC gamer backlog is way bigger than a console gamer backlog), Sony has access to selling to a game audience that likes to load up on digital deals and never even bother playing it. It's like free money.
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CJY
Banned
Console game locked to 30FPS means the PC port is also locked to 30FPS? Maybe in a very small number of games this happens. If it's a common occurence, that's news to me.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
Yet...Sony doesn't own MLB.
I'd love to see where Sony bought all of Major League Baseball btw
Q quest Not really... Sony simply sees that 4k is something gamers want from Sony published titles, thus they made a box that plays 4K titles..... So That has more to do with 4K, then it does PC in general as PC isn't ONLY about 4K to argue making a 4K console is based on some fear of PC or something.
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captainraincoat
Banned
When streaming becomes the norm and it's current shortfalls are fixed physical hardware will become not as important as the games and the platform you are on will be irrelevant
Sony as a whole company would be looking at ways to reduce costs and developing/manufacturing gaming consoles can be expensive and this digital locker and streaming would not only remove cost but increase their userbase
Sony as a whole company would be looking at ways to reduce costs and developing/manufacturing gaming consoles can be expensive and this digital locker and streaming would not only remove cost but increase their userbase
StreetsofBeige
Member
The backlash to game streaming really comes down to two things IMO:
1. Those people with limited bandwidth or live in places with shitty infrastructure are an entirely different topic. If you don't give them discs, their gaming is fucked if any companies go pure streaming or digital.
2. But for most of us who live in decent places with good connections and unlimited data plans, it really comes down to whether the tech can make the latency so small nobody will care. Especially for the competitive types who need millisecond timing. We just aren't there yet.
Pure ownership is a non-issue (as in the company yanking the rug from ya). People are already gravitating to digital sales for convenience, so it shows people are ok with not getting a disc.
Remember all those threads about being anti-digital and discs rule stuff from 2013? Ya, where is that now? Nowhere.
And to show people actually love it, I bet most of the core console gamers out there (me included) even had to spend another $100 to buy an external USB drive to house all the downloads.
Netflux, Hulu etc.... already shows people prefer streaming movies and tv shows than buying discs for $10-20 each.
toxiichollow
Member
Never claimed Sony own MLB lol. The poster i was replying to claimed Sony would never develop or publish a game that would run on Xbox. Last i checked MLB the show is developed by SIE San Diego Studio and the publisher are SIE. It is what it is.
Neofire
Member
Come on dude don't be so naive, you know good and well there is a risk in Sony releasing their exclusives to other platforms. Granted it's not the end of the world, Sony's not going to loose their entire install base in one night or some crazy mess like that.
But it's install base isn't stupid they aren't going to be playing beta testers while PC gamers get the cheaper and better performing versions.
I said all that to say that it's silly to think Sony's decision will have no disadvantages.
Weather you think it's a big deal or not, the core Playstation fans are reacting, if PC players swoop down and make up the difference in people second guessing buying a ps5 then maybe this decision won't have a negative effect but I highly doubt it lol most of the PC players are praying everything comes to PC and to hell what every other platform.
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EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
Its a loaded response. In context of Sony doing that with MLB, Sony DOES NOT OWN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL, thus....the action has more to do with MLB, then with Sony to claim its a move by Sony solely, as if you'd see Ratchet and Clank on XB or Nintendo or something. Its trying to ignore a massive part of that move to seek some narrative that doesn't really fit when you break down what is actually happening with MLB The Show.
StreetsofBeige
Member
MLB probably pressured Sony to expand the user base.
Sony had two choices:
1. Make it multiplatform, make more sales, make MLB happy, and ignore any "risk of PS gamers bailing the PS ecosystem"
2. Tell MLB to forget it, no more MLB games for anyone. Lose sales, and protect the PS ecosystem with no Sony games on other platforms.
They chose #1, which is the best choice. More sales, more games, and baseball games continue beyond junk like RBI Baseball.
LazyParrot
Member
That's not what I said at all. I said that they would never develop a title that would run locally on Xbox and smartphones, which is what the OP of this thread claimed would happen through the magic of "universal coding".
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toxiichollow
Member
JustP_Gaming
Banned
That mentality is what makes companies go bankrupt.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Yes Sony HAS to go FULL PC because...digital locker! Y...yes!
Didn't Sega bow out of the PC market (outside the football game and the war game) after their games sold like shit? (last year)
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Deleted member 740922
Unconfirmed Member
No, that's Stadia.
Chairman Tickles
Banned
The market and trending digital libraries are forcing Sony's hand yes. Brick and mortar game sales (responsible for most of console revenue in the past) are essentially dead. I walk into a game store these days and its 90% shirts, used games and board games. Throw hardware normalization on top of that and it doesn't matter whether you're playing Horizon Zero Dawn on a sony branded PC (ps4) or an unbranded PC. The bulk of revenue comes from people spending money on digital titles and digital add ons.
Last I checked Total War is still huge and selling.
Last I checked Total War is still huge and selling.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
I did mention yawn war. Which next to the soccer title is Sega's best selling PC title. (and only)
Chairman Tickles
Banned
Let's just cancel everything on that basis and move all genres and devs and franchises to mobile, because a single mobile game can make more money in a year than all the console/pc bestsellers combined. 
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
If Sony didn't release games on PC they would be at a disadvantage in the digital locker age. in the digital locker age hardware will not matter you will just buy the software & play it wherever you like but it would be pointless for people to choose to by from Sony if their licence only worked for PS5.
This is where we are headed
How big of a game changer would it be if Sony is using a large amount of ReRAM as the PS5 SSD?
Yep. I thought about it the second they announced SSDs. The problem would be: no PC support. The assets will be highly hardware specific, multiplatform games will not do it... That's a very good point. The PC and console versions of the game would have to operate differently. Perhaps this is...www.neogaf.com
Sony is not forced to do anything. Given their loyal fanbase Sony can be as arrogant as they want without any consequences.
They are doing it for that extra money, and I don't blame them.
magnumpy
Member
the return of arrogant Sony that launched the disastrous cell processor is personally not something I want to see. I think they remember the lessons of their previous mistakes.
Kagey K
Banned
It's pretty simple, to make money. From every avenue they can. That's why they do everything from electronics to insurance and financial services.
It's every companies goal, and finding new ways to siphon it from you is their objective.
Blood Borne
Member
I think they're just simply trying to see if there's a demand for their games on PC. Their goal is to launch a "PlayStation Store", to rival Steam and Epic Store.
Store is the new money maker, Apple, Google, Amazon, Disney, EA, Steam, Netflix, etc everyone wants a slice. It is the future.
Store is the new money maker, Apple, Google, Amazon, Disney, EA, Steam, Netflix, etc everyone wants a slice. It is the future.
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
The interesting part is how they keep the cash cow alive, the console where they get a cut of all third party games released as there is a slim chance they will be the place where third party games are downloaded... unless they can work out some cross buy deal and then why should third parties abide. If there was no console competitor, MS could wind the Xbox brand down, the current strategy could help or kill their console lines but as long as their competitors go down in flames aping the same strategy it is good for MS too.
Why would any third party accept you to buy a single license and play on both PC and PS/Xbox? I do not think they have the leverage to impose it... neither of them I mean.
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GHG
Member
If they are going to release a lot more games then I know this will happen., but I'd rather they didn't and just stuck to Steam or GOG.
Sony software on Windows has never not been shit.
When I think back on their minidisc software...
Kagey K
Banned
Im pretty sure there have been 3rd party play anywhere games already. So obviously there is some interest from publishers.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I think it is a fool's errand, not the first time a corp thinks a great idea is actually as practical as their ambition. Big third parties spending big bucks on a PC version as well as a console version will want to get the extra revenue.
Sure, that would be different for Live Service microtransaction infested games that care less for the initial investment, but that is shitty for gamers and still very risky for big publishers which would become even more risk adverse: think of all the money you are sinking in before having a chance to see any money coming in.
Copying MS strategy the way some people are suggesting is not chasing the ultimate profits, but potentially risking the entire business long term health and objective the walled garden PlayStation ecosystem (the thing MS wanted Windows Store to be, Google has kind of with Google Play, and all chasing the Apple platforms ecosystem).
MS is going gung-ho with this also because if they can rope the competition they can have them wreck themselves and remove the threat to PC the Xbox was designed to stop. If Xbox destroys both Sony's PlayStation as well as Xbox and people move back to mainly PC for gaming, it is still a win for MS. Now, Sony should be smarter than this, hopefully
.And here we go
Sony Is Asking PS4 Owners If They Want Remote Play On The Nintendo Switch
A 'DualShock with a screen' is also mentioned
www.nintendolife.com
And here we go
Sony Is Asking PS4 Owners If They Want Remote Play On The Nintendo Switch
A 'DualShock with a screen' is also mentioned
All these companies seemingly came to the conclusion that their main goal is selling software and memberships. Anyway and everywhere they can.